Question on Atlantis and Lemuria and MORE WONDER's [Archive]

Chrysaetos

05-10-2010, 05:56 PM

Have you read Plato's Timaeus, Critias en Republic?
Socrates was concerned with the ideal state. Atlantis, for all we know, could be made up.

Was Plato's cave a real place as well? No, it was an allegory.

It's also possible Atlantis was a combination of this ''ideal state'' and real events (Santorini).
Santorini gets as close as it gets if you're looking for an explanation.

All the other worldwide 'structures' under the sea are either natural, or not well investigated. If Atlantis was elsewhere we should see traces and stories elsewhere about it.

All the channelled messages are based on culture that is already familiar with Plato's account. So the one that receives these channelled messages already has beliefs prior to the experience. If Plato never wrote it down, we all would never heard the name Atlantis. Makes sense to me at least.

Lemuria is supposed to have been a continent, which is geologically impossible. Unless of course it was some place many millions of years ago, which is not supported as humans were not around yet.

Sorry if this may come across as harsh, but I see no point in believing in these old myths (same as El Dorado, Eden). If there were such places on earth, there would be evidence. And also important, we would have many traces and myths elsewhere about it. But there is not, despite some people cleverly using river flood tales (which many tribal people have experienced) as proof of Atlantis or Noach, which is of course preposterous.

Summerland

05-10-2010, 10:28 PM

Lynn, my first memory of Atalantis was when I was 7 years old. It was a very detailed memory and VERY heartbreaking; things a 7 year old should know nothing about. I lived in a VERY, VERY smal town in Missouri and would have had no way of hearing or knowing anything about a lost continent from 10,000 years ago. I have had memories since then and still have very strong ties to Atlantis. It was my home.:hug3:

Roselove

05-10-2010, 11:17 PM

i think they have found evidence but are still determing exact locations a couple I can think of off top my head are bermuda triangle and bermini road..

I haven't really studied it much in depth.. Crystalinks is a great site to check out for more information.. From what I know Atlatnis was sunk by the Gods or entities playing God but not everyone died in the flood some jumped paradigms and survived moved to another dimenision . The reason given for the sinking ego, abuse of power etc. there are numerous stories about two seperate brotherhoods one dark one light (see Thoth's tablets) same story as the true Eden (bible was taken from ancient sumerian mythology) but i disagree with this personally i feel Atlantis was sunk due to the civilization figuring out their true orgins, gaining power etc. realzing we are all part of the divine, all equal, all God!

seekseek

05-10-2010, 11:37 PM

lynn:could you share any details of your memories at seven?

nephesh

07-10-2010, 08:01 PM

I do think Atlantis existed. I have always been intrigued by it for as long as I can remember. I think it was around for thousands of years that just a feeling I get and not based on any “scientific” evidence.

I only recently learned of Lemuria but I am open to the possibility that it existed as well. I recently got a book on Atlantis and Lemuria and look forward to reading it.

Greenslade

07-10-2010, 11:30 PM

I have some very clear memories of Atlantis and have had visions of me being there. I remember one vision very clearly that was echoed by Carole Chapman in her book. She described a scene through her eyes and I saw that very same scene through mine - quite a while before I read her book. That's enough to make anyone wonder. I've also finished off tales that other people have began with "You're going to think I'm crazy but....." I don't believe in coincidences, and when people have the very same memories without a single mention from me there has to be something there.

Atlantis was supposed to have been in about a dozen geographical locations, can all of them be correct? Supposing there was a nuclear holocaust tomorrow, and in two thousand years' time an archaeologist fond a coke machine in the Andes, would they think they had found America? If the tales of Atlantis are true, would they have confined themselves to a small corner of the globe? I doubt it.

That's about how I remember it, Rosewater - close to anyway.

You might also find this interesting - http://www.goldenageproject.org.uk/genesis.php

The Sumerians tell of a race of people who 'came from the east' and essentially gave them civilisation. Alternative Genesis happened in the Tigris/Euphrates valley.

Roselove

08-10-2010, 12:24 AM

I'm not sure what your talking about greenslade. sumerian creation talks about entities from another planet (tablets had carvings/drawings of the aliens creating humans), this is what was translated from the tablets.. The Sumerian Gods created "Adamu" that was Adam. Apple represents spirtual knowledge which the snake wanted us to have i.e. EA and the other brother, one wanted us to have spirtual knowledge the other didn't..The word elohim (sp?) was a mistranslation, it doesn't mean God but those that came from the sky.. in the Bible there are several phrases where God is refered to as plural i.e. "lets make man in our own image" etc etc

Zagacat

08-10-2010, 01:18 AM

Wow Summerland, I too would love to hear your accounts of your Atlantian memories. As for me, I know nothing more than the edgar Cayce readings that I study. I am so intregued and most of the cayce prophesies resonate with me strongly. Everything he has to say about atlantis makes sense to me and as time draws on seems to be falling into place.

inspirit

08-10-2010, 01:23 AM

I watched a documentary once about some men that were using sonar at the bottom of the Mediterranean Sea and found a long wall with a right angle in it about a mile under water. They presumed that they had found "Atlantis."

Greenslade

08-10-2010, 01:05 PM

norseman

08-10-2010, 01:30 PM

I have been to "Atlantis", its a regular cruise ship destination. Think Santorini and Crete !
Santorini - active volcano . The ash cloud covered the Cretan cities on Santorini and the coastal cities on Crete. The caldera collapsed, allowing the sea to rush into the active volcano. The surnami then completed the destruction on Crete. Basis of Plato's tale !

Summerland

08-10-2010, 01:51 PM

Rosewater,

I read a book called 'Fingerprints of the Gods'. Basically, what the author and his wife did was look at the myths of various cultures and look for commonalities. One of the very common themes was 'Golden Ones' or 'Shining Ones' - also sometimes called 'Elohim' or'Annunaki'. What the myths were saying is that people had come from nowhere and civilised them in some way - that included the Sumerians. They weren't creation myths but they came after. According to history, there's a period where Sumerian civilisation took on a bit of a spurt. Perhaps the gods the Sumerians were created by and the people from the east were one and the same?

Although there's no direct link according to history, I can't help wonder what happened to many from Atlantis after it was destroyed. History doesn't acknowledge Atlantis as such, but the tales say that many Atlanteans fled to other places - one of them being Egypt, another (I seem to remember mentioned) was Greece. It's likely some went to India, were they in Sumeria too?

Atlanteans began dispersing before the final destruction of Atlantis. A Lakota elder told me that the oral tradition had the Five Nations originally coming from the east from an island~~~Many generations later one of their shamans fasted and prayed and was told by the Great Spirit that death was coming from the east in a log that floated on water. He told his tribe this and most of the tribes followed the instruction from the Great Spirit to leave the coastal area and move northwest.That prophecy was the white man coming from Europe.
Atlanteans went to both North and South America and to the British Isles, including Ireland
The reasons that the So American and Mexican Indians did not at first fear the Spaniards was because they were expecting the return of the Feathered Serpent who had come from the ocean to the east.
Atalantis was a great seafaring country and did have solar powered flying machine. They also had the knowledge to use crystals for energy and for healing.
Color with the combination of crystals and harmonics were used for healing.

Roselove

08-10-2010, 03:38 PM

Rosewater,

I read a book called 'Fingerprints of the Gods'. Basically, what the author and his wife did was look at the myths of various cultures and look for commonalities. One of the very common themes was 'Golden Ones' or 'Shining Ones' - also sometimes called 'Elohim' or'Annunaki'. What the myths were saying is that people had come from nowhere and civilised them in some way - that included the Sumerians. They weren't creation myths but they came after. According to history, there's a period where Sumerian civilisation took on a bit of a spurt. Perhaps the gods the Sumerians were created by and the people from the east were one and the same?

Although there's no direct link according to history, I can't help wonder what happened to many from Atlantis after it was destroyed. History doesn't acknowledge Atlantis as such, but the tales say that many Atlanteans fled to other places - one of them being Egypt, another (I seem to remember mentioned) was Greece. It's likely some went to India, were they in Sumeria too?

What I'm refering to is what was found and translated from the tablets themselves (there was a book written on it by the founder discussing the history). And the actual myth goes they were created by these entities from another planet no mention of coming from the east to colonize in the actual creation story. Besides why would they paint/draw giant reptile/bird like non human entities creating humans? .. Sumerians had been around for awhile and did have wars etc with others that came from the East among other places.. perhaps that's what you are thinking of?

As for Atlantis as far as I know some souls had escaped prior to the floods. I didn't say they were the same entities what I meant was we go through cycles the same story repeats civilizations rise then fall etc

grazier

08-10-2010, 03:43 PM

Questions about Atlantis and Lemuria
Can tangible evidence of for the existence of Atlantis be found in the World today ?
It is said to be in many places around the World one newer theory is off the coast of Florida ?
Where do ye think it is / or do ye think it even exists to be found ?
I have to wonder if it was maybe here for a time but not created by the “men” that are of the Earth but of a civilization that visited our Earth. I do not feel we are alone in the existence we are that we have had visits from other Worlds that have lead us on a path.
　
　
　
　
　
If Atlantis did exist then how long do ye think it existed for ?

How do ye view the existence of something or some place ?

It could well be that ye see it as being a physical living and thriving city, or it could be that ye see it as existing as we still talk on it and have knowledge of it.

When does something start and stop in existence ?

Is it when the last person there leaves or dies off or it when there is no one left to remember it ?

　
Was there a continent of Lemuria ?

Is it possible that there is a lost continent one that sank to the Ocean bottom?

We do know that the Earth has plates that move so could this have maybe sunk an Island continent ?

Many claim to have past lives memories to this place but is it
Real or something one wants to be real ?
　

Lynn

Hello Lynn,

yes I believe in the existence of Atlantis for many reasons. There have been so many synchronicities in my life, and a lot of them connect with Atlantis, together with past life memories and study on the subject of Atlantis and Egypt, that there is no doubt in my mind that it did exist.

I have connections with the healing temples, the crystal skulls from those temples, Thoth and the Sphinx, among other things.

Tangible evidence - there are maps that show its location and I believe that it is at the top of and in between the continents of South America and Africa.

Charles Hapgood discovered the whereabouts of Atlantis from very old maps and he researched the subject and its sinking and felt that it was due to the shifting of the earth's crust, causing earthquakes, volcanic activity, tsunamis, etc. In fact there is the Rift Valley in South Africa, which was caused by the shifting of the Earth's crust.

I beliieve that the Atlanteans were a very spiritually evolved race that had its roots in another universe. They were the Sons of God who came to earth to minister and to teach the earths children, but some of them developed material desires and began to lose their links with the spiritual and with nature. They followed material earthly pursuits and it was this corruption that destroyed Atlantis.

Thoth rescued some of the High Priests and took them to Egypt from whence they founded thirteen great races.

They were the root race of humanity.

You may find the Atlantis Blueprint by Rand Flem-Ath and Colin Wilson very interesting.

Blessings

grazier:hug3:

Zagacat

08-10-2010, 04:33 PM

This is a fun thread to read. May I also suggest reading Edgar Cayce's Atlantis by Drs. Dregory and Lora Little, and John Van Auken. I know it is just from a single source but it is quite intriguing. I listened to a show that said that Atlantis is second to the bible in the amount of literature that has been written about it. I like some of the posters above, understand that as time drew closer to the final destruction, that many of the Atlantians (a red race) went to what we know today as the Americas and Egypts and just basically scattered.
I too have watched several documentaries on Bimini Road. It is really quite interesting. Good luck on your search for info!

star-child

08-10-2010, 10:09 PM

Greenslade

09-10-2010, 12:06 AM

Atlanteans began dispersing before the final destruction of Atlantis. A Lakota elder told me that the oral tradition had the Five Nations originally coming from the east from an island~~~Many generations later one of their shamans fasted and prayed and was told by the Great Spirit that death was coming from the east in a log that floated on water. He told his tribe this and most of the tribes followed the instruction from the Great Spirit to leave the coastal area and move northwest.That prophecy was the white man coming from Europe.
Atlanteans went to both North and South America and to the British Isles, including Ireland
The reasons that the So American and Mexican Indians did not at first fear the Spaniards was because they were expecting the return of the Feathered Serpent who had come from the ocean to the east.
Atalantis was a great seafaring country and did have solar powered flying machine. They also had the knowledge to use crystals for energy and for healing.
Color with the combination of crystals and harmonics were used for healing.

Nobody is going to be able to say for sure, Summerland, because there is no definite proof Atlantis even existed all we have is conjecture. I'll include our memories in that conjecture as well, no doubt there are others out there with just as clear memories and beliefs and it is not for me to deny them. There were a lot of people in Atlantis and no doubt they scattered to all the four corners of the earth. I don't think Atlantis was just in the one location either. The Bock Saga mentions it here - http://www.mousewaggler.co.uk/bocksaga/MainPage.asp?Id=19&Section=The%20Bock%20Sa-Ga%20Pt%20I and the Saga is Finnish. I believe that if we look at the spoken tales and myths of the various cultures we'll find evidence pretty much in every civilisation. I haven't gone too deeply into North or South American Indian cultures, but I have seen what I believe is Atlantean influence.

Rosewater

I do understand what you're referring to and it's not the same as I am referring to. What you are referring to is the actual creation myths, my reference is later in Sumerian history. There was a meteoric rise in there civilisation at one time that has never been (as far as I'm aware) been explained by history, it seems they went from mud huts to cities almost overnight. I don't know off-hand how many years that was between the creation and the rise of their civilisation though. These mysterious beings didn't arrive in Sumeria to colonise but to educate. That's why I was speculating if it might have been the same group of entities responsible for both the creation and their civilisation rise. No, you didn't say but I asked if they were. The Sumerian creation myths talk of beings who could well have been astronauts. Along with that is the Alternative Genesis that would imply much the same thing around the same time period.

Were the Sumerian drawings factual or were they representations? Factually they may have been humanoid in appearance the way we are, but to the Sumerians they may have taken on the characteristics of animals as the Sumerians saw them. For instance, if people had come in flying machines, would the Sumerians have depicted a pilot as having feathers? In some cultures reptiles and snakes are supposed to be guardians of the earth - snakes especially because they have an 'ear to the ground'. Would the drawing of a human with a snake/reptile head not depict that role?

I don't believe Atlantis was one specific place - I believe Atlantis was more of a period in history and a culture. Part of my job in Atlantis was keeping the crystals in-line to generate a specific field. Atlantis was created to anchor the vibrations in the Third Dimension so that (in a very nutshell) we could go back to the beginning and start again. Anyway, a few years ago I felt I had a specific place to visit at a specific time. Long story for another thread maybe, but in this Lifetime I had to finish what I had started in my Atlantean Life before I was killed for it. I made the journey on the given dates and was on the right spot at the right time. On the way there I can remember sitting in the car and seeing figures on the hillsides, I knew they were Kindred, some from Atlantean times. As we got closer the feelings became stronger, even to the point where I could hear a crowd of people in my head. On the way back we took our time and just enjoyed the countryside. My wife pointed out a few places we had visited as an Atlanteans. Now as far as I'm aware there hasn't been anything said about Atlantis in Scotland, maybe as far as that went it was only a remote outpost (yeah, that figures lol). But it would make sense to me that that Atlantis wasn't just one city. As I remember it there were more than one city - and that would account for Atlantis having numerous locations. Perhaps what's being speculated about as regards different locations isn't about different locations for Atlantis but other locations of Altlantean cities.

A time machine would be good, Star-Child lol.

Summerland

09-10-2010, 12:36 AM

Greenslade, I hope you realize that anything that I say on this forum is strictly my own belief and from my memories. Atlantis had a very long history and I am sure that we, who believe that we were there, may have lived at different periods of time. We may have lived there once or many lives. I do remember that the crystals were vital and used for many different purposes.
Each person on this planet has their own unique perspective from their many experiences. Not any of us will have the very same memories; that would be an impossiblity. That would be like everyone on the same block of a neighborhood having exactly the same family life, political and religious beliefs, to do exactly the same job on the same shift and to have identical children , to have all come from exactly the same background, etc, etc,. So how could we have the same memories of a place as distant in the past of as Atlantis?

Roselove

09-10-2010, 02:14 AM

"Rosewater
I do understand what you're referring to and it's not the same as I am referring to."

yes that's why i wrote in both of my previous posts i was refering to creation/eden

"Were the Sumerian drawings factual or were they representations? Factually they may have been humanoid in appearance the way we are, but to the Sumerians they may have taken on the characteristics of animals as the Sumerians saw them. For instance, if people had come in flying machines, would the Sumerians have depicted a pilot as having feathers? In some cultures reptiles and snakes are supposed to be guardians of the earth - snakes especially because they have an 'ear to the ground'. Would the drawing of a human with a snake/reptile head not depict that role?"

Again they did draw humans, not symbols to represent them and didn't use other animals etc aside from that one entity.. they weren't snakes I just described them that way bc they were reptilian in appearence. And lastly the pictures accompanying the tablets clearly state these were the Gods from another planet.

nephesh

09-10-2010, 04:17 AM

Great thread. Look forward to reading some of the books that were mentioned.

Greenslade

10-10-2010, 12:58 PM

Summerland,
I believe that much of what is said in this thread is belief. Until such time as someone discovers Atlantis it can't be much else.

From what I can gather - and these are only my own thoughts - Alantis did exist. I've spoken to too many people with too clear memories, and when they describe scenes and people in your head before you even mention them there has to be something in it after all. Either that or there's a collective basket-case scenario going on lol.

After Atlantis was destroyed, I believe the survivors scattered across the globe from what is called Atlantis, or integrated into the local culture if the were in an 'outpost'. There were Golden Ones/Shining Ones in Atlantis, and if you look at different cultures' myths you'll find mention of them.

There is an interpretation called Alternative Genesis - easily Googled - that puts a different slant on the one in the Bible. It's actually not so hard to see connections with Alternative Genesis and Sumerian creation myths. Until such time as an archaeologist discovers something tangible all of this will just be imaginings and questions, but I can see the possibilities.

I found an interesting website here - http://www.atlantisbolivia.org/boliviaandthesumerianconnection.htm
Does that mean the Sumerians sailed to Bolivia? No doubt archaeology would say not, so how does the two cultures connect? Is this further evidence of Atlantean influence? The Sumerians say the Nefilim came from the heavens and created them, are the Atlanteans and the Nefilim the same people? The images on the website are of humanoid bodies with animal heads that depict their gods, something the Sumerians, the Egyptians and the Bolivians have in common. That to me suggests a common influence, that the same people influenced all three cultures somewhere along the line. Are we seeing evidence of Atlantean culture coming through here?

in progress

10-10-2010, 04:41 PM

I thought this channeling was awesome and just coincidentally (?) seemed to agree w/ some things in a book I'm currently reading (Giza Death Star by Joseph Farrell and also the book by Christopher Dunn).

http://spiritlibrary.com/earth-keeper/earth-keeper-chronicles/the-fall-of-atlantis-revisited-the-crystalline-field-of-10-10-1

Amilius777

21-10-2010, 06:29 PM

Supposedly Atlantis and Lemuria existed. According to Edgar Cayce there is so much history on what happened.

First off- Lemuria:

Lemuria would have been located in the middle of the Pacific Ocean before the poles shifted 10,000s of years ago. The ONLY remnant of Lemuria is Easter Island. Lemuria was a place where the first wave of souls entered the Material world. The first wave of souls were astral, formed of the ether with spiritual bodies that transcended space and time. But slowly over thousands of years because there is no real time to a higher or fourth dimensional being, souls became hardened and denser in the material realm. On Lemuria many souls brought monstrosities such as incarnating as goats, apes, tree life, plant life, all sorts of life. Many legends of goat demons and such nonsense actually sprung from souls who got trapped in grotesque bodies of Rams and Goats. God did not will that the soul Man would be animal, but that Man is meant to be Man. So these souls after creating this abomination and losing themselves, Lemuria was eventually destroyed by God. It was a experimental descent into materialization that resulted in separation from God and monstrosities.

But there was Atlantis. And Amilias, leader of the Sons of God, led the next soul group into Atlantis. Amilias set up a Temple and constructed a religion on Atlantis called The Children of the Law of One. The Law of One Children had Temples dedicating to unifying the divine and human natures, keeping union between God and Creation. But Atlanteans were higher beings like the Lemurians. Amilias wanted to help these lost souls trapped in matter to return to God. These souls entities, the Sons of God led by Amilias could do such wonders. They were even able to procreate without sex! For the Sons of God did not partake of the lower world. But a son of God named Belial brought many followers to his cause and created the Sons of Belial. They worshiped a different deity. They created a Temple for themselves! To harness energy and create through their own will. Belial and his followers wanted nothing to do with souls who wanted to return to God. The Belial influence focused on karma, eye for an eye. Meaning lost souls deserve to be lost. The Belial followers and the Amilias followers were also in constant struggle. But Belial's descendants and followers caused Atlantis to be destroyed through their bad karma.

Amilias and the sons of God went about creating the fifth root race, a race of Adamic Man, where the soul could share both the higher world and lower world within. The divine and human nature made one! And Amilias as Grand Master Thoth led souls into the Adamic Race. This was occurring when Atlantis was being destroyed. Remnants of Atlantis can be found in Egypt, Mayans, Incas, and many other places. No wonder Thoth-Hermes is associated with Egypt. For he brought civilization and souls into that region after Atlantis was destroyed. And Thoth is the same entity we know as Enoch in the Bible, and is later known as our Brother Jesus, the Christ Himself!

grazier

22-10-2010, 02:37 PM

Rumar

22-10-2010, 06:51 PM

I know you can visit it via astral projection, if there's enough belief/myth, it creates it into the astral plane.

A great idea on the astral plane, think Imaginationland in the South Park series but not quite there. Things in the astral plane exist in there and can still effect you here.

Chrysaetos

22-10-2010, 06:59 PM

I know you can visit it via astral projection, if there's enough belief/myth, it creates it into the astral plane.

Yes, I definitely believe in these possibilities.
Makes it all very subjective, and not an actual place on this physical earth.

Sounds more reasonable then Atlantis being an actual place near Cuba, Indonesia, Antarctica, Russia, or somewhere else.

Falling Star

22-10-2010, 07:40 PM

I believe that many of us are awakening to the truth of Atlantis, and i truly believe that all is encoded within our DNA. I do not know enough scientifically to be able to comment unfortunately. However i do believe that many of our psychic gifts would have originated from that time....Such as telepathy and knowledge of crystals for healing etcetc.
YES i do believe that Atlantis existed , and i do believe that as more of us awaken we will remember the whereabouts of Atlantis also.

ROM

18-12-2010, 07:41 AM

I think Atlantis is more likely true than made up. I think the people who wrote about it like Plato's were tapping into higher vibrations and frequencies and were thus able to extract fragments of it. Edgar Cayce has also stated in many of his readings that it did indeed exist. I believe they were a very advanced race, but maybe became too cocky, which might have contributed to their downfall. Just my thoughts.

Chrysaetos

18-12-2010, 08:54 AM

ROM

18-12-2010, 09:36 AM

Chrysaetos

18-12-2010, 11:15 AM

Well they were consumed by the ocean leaving any evidence of a civilisation buried deep within. But I also heard Atlantians fled to places like Egypt and that documents of their existence do in fact exist but have no been excavated yet. So existence and exist are existent in existence! A continent or big island consumed by the ocean? We would have evidence if this was the case, Atlantis is said to have happened around 10.000-8000 b.c.
It just doesn't work in geology. Santorini is very likely though..

And if documents exist they have been discovered.:tongue:

grazier

18-12-2010, 03:31 PM

Plato wrote down what he heard from someone else, he wasn't tapping into stuff.

I think a very advanced race should surely have left traces behind. All of this is probably very allegorical, and if one reads Plato's work that makes a lot of sense actually.
Likely that, plus some real events (Santorini) mixed together to make sense of a distant past they had no direct knowledge of.

Hi Chrysaetos

But they did! What about the mysteries of the world? The Pyramids (in Egypt and elswhere), the Sphinx, the Crystal Skulls, the Easter Island statues, Stonehenge and other standing stones etc. etc.

There had to be advanced technological, astronomical, knowledgeable civilizers. Where did all the knowledge and advanced technology suddenly come from and why did it get lost? the answer is that it came from the remnants of a very advanced civilization and as the descendants died out the knowledge and technology got forgotten. There are many instances of advanced technology, take telescopic lenses, for instance - they were used in the time of the Pharoahs and before. Many have been found plus they were used in burials. And what about the glass eyes used in some mummies?

There has also been evidence, both geological and structural, of buried civilizations.

The most common and most logical belief is that it is situated in the North Atlantic near the Pillars of Hercules. The Azores islands are believed to be remnants of the mountains of Atlantis, as is Ireland.

There are also some very good books on the subject and a lot of them give evidential and confirmational data of previously channelled data.

Blessings

grazier :hug3:

grazier

18-12-2010, 03:38 PM

A continent or big island consumed by the ocean? We would have evidence if this was the case, Atlantis is said to have happened around 10.000-8000 b.c.
It just doesn't work in geology. Santorini is very likely though..

And if documents exist they have been discovered.:tongue:

What about the floods? There is evidence of these, plus every civilzation has records of the great flood in one way or another.

There was and is evidence of many volcanoes and earthquakes, now under the sea bed, in the Azores area. that is a very susceptible area of the Earths crust in the Atlantic Ocean.

Not all documents have been discovered. Many have also been destroyed i.e. The burning of the Great Library at Alexandria, the arising of the Roman Church, the Spanish Inquisition and conquests.

There are documents held by many institutions, locked away in secret, because of the fear that they would lose control if they were released.

The Church holds many, also the Masons hold many among others.

Blessings

grazier :hug3:

Amilius777

18-12-2010, 05:02 PM

Atlantis was the original Eden. The place where spirits first started populated the Earth for the sake of creating a community and world in the three dimensional plane. Sadly spiritual entities split in half between those who worshiped the One God and those who worshiped their own Self. And thus over 100,000 Atlantis saw ups and downs and struggles and eventually destroyed itself due to these satan/self-worshipers. And the descendants of Atlantis spread to Egypt, Mayan/Native American, India, and northern Europe. Thus the universal connection to God as being The SUN in all these traditions. Because at that time "The Son" dwelt harmoniously in Atlantis on one side of the group those who kept attune with Father and Mother God.

Lemuria was the place where spirits first descended into lower matter and began to incarnate into whatever they pleased. That is why many souls have animal past life memories, certain physical appendage out of whack, webbed feet, tree men over in china, elephant ittis, etc are all the result or effect of souls having misused the incarnation process. This happened on Lemuria. And sadly the Atlantean group I mentioned named the self-worshipers were called by Atlanteans as Sons of Belial (wickedness/worthlessness) and they tormented, tortured, and used the humanimals for sexual pleasure and enslavement. The Sons of Belial type later reincarnated in history as the prophets of Baal who defied Elijah and Elisha, and even Caiaphas and his Pharisees.

This is why in ancient Hinduism there are many references to animal God-men because there were those who were part animal, part mannish and who were reattaining oneness with the Divine and seen as a savior or helper for others trapped in their grotesque bodies to reattain awareness of the divinity within.

Chrysaetos

18-12-2010, 05:45 PM

What about the mysteries of the world? The Pyramids (in Egypt and elswhere), the Sphinx, the Crystal Skulls, the Easter Island statues, Stonehenge and other standing stones etc. etc. What's so mysterious about the pyramids? The crystal skulls have been proven to be a fake. The mystery about Easter Island has been decoded.
Are we that close minded to think ancient humans are too stupid to figure things out by themselves? They had the tools and the brains to do what they did.There had to be advanced technological, astronomical, knowledgeable civilizers. Where did all the knowledge and advanced technology suddenly come from and why did it get lost? What do you mean with ''suddenly''? Ancient civilisations had thousands of years to get to the stage they did. When we look back in time we usually only see their civilisations in the final stages.

What if humans from 3000 years from now look back at our time? They would see that we have gained many technological advancement in only a few centuries. Aliens? Superior race? Gods? No. Just smart humans.Many have also been destroyed i.e. The burning of the Great Library at Alexandria, the arising of the Roman Church, the Spanish Inquisition and conquests.
The most common and most logical belief is that it is situated in the North Atlantic near the Pillars of Hercules. The Azores islands are believed to be remnants of the mountains of Atlantis, as is Ireland. These are all beliefs that have no basis whatsoever. You don't know which books have been lost so this is guess work. And there is no evidence for the existence of Atlantis in the Atlantic ocean. The only logical explanation is Santorini. Although this island doesn't fully match the description, we also have to remember that it was hearsay that was written down.
There are also some very good books on the subject and a lot of them give evidential and confirmational data of previously channelled data.
Channelling is subjective and guess work. It's not evidence.

Chrysaetos

18-12-2010, 05:47 PM

This is why in ancient Hinduism there are many references to animal God-men because there were those who were part animal, part mannish and who were reattaining oneness with the Divine and seen as a savior or helper for others trapped in their grotesque bodies to reattain awareness of the divinity within.
These examples show the evolution of religion from natural based to human based. The half animal gods show a transition between primitive beliefs and anthropocentric beliefs. All these gods are also very provincial and continental. You won't find a tiger god in Alaska, and you won't find old Indian sources speak about polar bears. It is all limited by culture and provincial belief.

ROM

19-12-2010, 02:49 AM

I don't like the idea that human spirits are able to incarnate into animal bodies. I think that human spirits are a completely different species to animal souls and thus cannot incarnate as animals.

Zagacat

19-12-2010, 06:13 AM

Actually, I believe that if the past is truly studied with an open mind, you will be surprised at what you find. Perhaps we did start of as thought forms and take on different characteristics of the animals and elements of the earth? A year ago I would have agreed with Chryaetos and saw these half animal gods as just mans way of depicting belief systems of the time. Perhaps man did have to get rid of some "grotesque animal traits"....perhaps man had a higher understanding of hybridization...or it was just as simple as when man was between the etheric and physical states he took on animal features. I think that there is too much legend and depictions of half man and beasts to brush it off as a transition. Take a look at the Hieroglyphics in some of the ancient temples in Egypt. Some interesting stuff you will find if you look at the actual pictures and blot out the translations.

Chrysaetos

19-12-2010, 10:31 AM

Actually, I believe that if the past is truly studied with an open mind, you will be surprised at what you find. The thing is, many alternative hypothesises only work if you accept a certain paradigm. They are all very entertaining but they lack evidence.

Perhaps we did start of as thought forms and take on different characteristics of the animals and elements of the earth? A year ago I would have agreed with Chryaetos and saw these half animal gods as just mans way of depicting belief systems of the time. A few years ago I would have agreed with you when I swallowed up all alternative quackery on the internet, until I decided to look at the real sources and see where evidence and rationality lead me.

You seem to forget about the context. We can't look at history through modern understandings. The people back then lived in a different world, most people only knew their own country and continent, some knew a bit more. They thought their limited world was the center of the universe, and their wild animals were godly in a sense, they couldn't look beyond.

What if you found yourself in a forest 10,000 years ago, with no modern knowledge and technology? You would be scared of wild animals, and to make sure they wouldn't attack you and your tribe, you would worship them out of fear. Just one example.

Perhaps man did have to get rid of some "grotesque animal traits"....perhaps man had a higher understanding of hybridization...or it was just as simple as when man was between the etheric and physical states he took on animal features. I think that there is too much legend and depictions of half man and beasts to brush it off as a transition. Take a look at the Hieroglyphics in some of the ancient temples in Egypt. Some interesting stuff you will find if you look at the actual pictures and blot out the translations.
Context! What you forget is that in ancient times people used communications differently. Not all symbols are to be taken literal, especially not with people that did not have a language like we do today. They used symbols to spread a message.
A Pharaoh depicted with lion characteristics is about his royalty and power, which are similar to that of a lion. You are free to believe in half lion-half man creatures, and also in centaur and other ilk, but they have no place in reality.

Summerland

19-12-2010, 12:29 PM

Chrysaetos, please explain away, if you will, the Piri Reis maps? If we were such a simple folk back then, 4,000 to 5,000 years ago, then how did those maps come into being?

Chrysaetos

19-12-2010, 12:42 PM

If we were such a simple folk back then, 4,000 to 5,000 years ago, then how did those maps come into being?
The Piri Reis Map is from the Middle Ages.
Some things were more simple in the past but that doesn't make those people simple folk. They were smart in their own ways. Humans are:wink:

Summerland

19-12-2010, 01:27 PM

The Piri Reis Map is from the Middle Ages.
Some things were more simple in the past but that doesn't make those people simple folk. They were smart in their own ways. Humans are:wink:

Actually the Piri Reis maps were copied from much older maps in 1513. Whoever originally drew them had the earth's circumference correct within a 50 mile range. It also shows northern Antartic coastline and an island there free of ice which has not been the case since 11,000 to 4,000 years. It was laid out in grids in a circular manner indicating that "they" knew that the world was not flat. Only later in history were we so ignorant as to believe that the world was flat. Plane geometry was used to draw those original maps, which Pir Reis only COPIED. So again, where are these ancient mariners who knew that the world was round and that there was a landmass in the Antartic and were even able to draw it?
Considering that there are archaeological underwater discoveries happening all the time, how are we to know what the ocean has taken back into the depths? Cities, temples and towns that were not even known about or thought to have been mythological are being discovered by advanced underwater technologies. Roads going no where are being found by satellites. The roads simply lead out into the sea.
The floor of the ocean is a constantly changing world; we know less of it than we do of the moons surface. Volcanos grow under the ocean, unseen. Rifts open, continental plates grind and bump into each other, swallowing up whatever lays in their path. Landslides occur under the ocean also.
Did you know that the northeastern coast of the United States and the Loch Ness Rift in Scotland were once joined and part of the same continent? That was only recently discovered. If evidence of that has been overlooked for millions of years, then how can you assume that continents have not been swallowed up by the ocean?

Chrysaetos

19-12-2010, 01:59 PM

Actually the Piri Reis maps were copied from much older maps in 1513. Whoever originally drew them had the earth's circumference correct within a 50 mile range. It also shows northern Antartic coastline and an island there free of ice which has not been the case since 11,000 to 4,000 years. It could be a wild guess, or humans had discovered or saw the place.
Of course we could use this island as hypothesis for an Atlantis, but this is speculative at best. The map makers of that time were also influenced by the myths of their days, they might have accepted it without second thought. It was laid out in grids in a circular manner indicating that "they" knew that the world was not flat. Yes, many sailors and various civilisations knew the earth was round.
Considering that there are archaeological underwater discoveries happening all the time, how are we to know what the ocean has taken back into the depths? Cities, temples and towns that were not even known about or thought to have been mythological are being discovered by advanced underwater technologies. Roads going no where are being found by satellites. The roads simply lead out into the sea. Oceans change slowly, they don't just take whole continents away in one or few incidents. Besides that, the oceans are quite deep, especially at the proposed places where Atlantis is said to have been (Santorini excluded here).The floor of the ocean is a constantly changing world; we know less of it than we do of the moons surface. Sounds like that commercial.. ;DDid you know that the northeastern coast of the United States and the Loch Ness Rift in Scotland were once joined and part of the same continent? That was only recently discovered. If evidence of that has been overlooked for millions of years, then how can you assume that continents have not been swallowed up by the ocean?Yeah I know they were part of the same continent. Oceans change, continents change, nature changes, species change.. but they do gradually. It's different and not the same as a story about a mythical continent that was gone in little time.

norseman

19-12-2010, 02:51 PM

Chrysaetos

19-12-2010, 02:54 PM

Yes that is true, but the North Sea isn't very deep compared to the ocean. I don't know what counts as ''short'', but the North Sea certainly wasn't there in one go.
There are more of such places, Florida was also much bigger in the past, and New Guinea was connected to Australia.

I agree on Santorini, it is very likely. Add to that Socrates' concern with the perfect state.

Summerland

19-12-2010, 03:03 PM

grazier

19-12-2010, 03:05 PM

What's so mysterious about the pyramids? The crystal skulls have been proven to be a fake. The mystery about Easter Island has been decoded.
Are we that close minded to think ancient humans are too stupid to figure things out by themselves? They had the tools and the brains to do what they did. What do you mean with ''suddenly''? Ancient civilisations had thousands of years to get to the stage they did. When we look back in time we usually only see their civilisations in the final stages.

What if humans from 3000 years from now look back at our time? They would see that we have gained many technological advancement in only a few centuries. Aliens? Superior race? Gods? No. Just smart humans. These are all beliefs that have no basis whatsoever. You don't know which books have been lost so this is guess work. And there is no evidence for the existence of Atlantis in the Atlantic ocean. The only logical explanation is Santorini. Although this island doesn't fully match the description, we also have to remember that it was hearsay that was written down. Channelling is subjective and guess work. It's not evidence.

Hy Chrysaetos,

Okay then, if you consider these things are all fake and imagination show me the proof and evidence of this.

Do you know what documents and books have been lost or destroyed? Discuss your proof and evidence.

Also who built the Sphinx and the Great Pyramid?

What evidence is there of advanced technology and civilizations in Egypt before 10,000 BC and where did the knowledge come from to build the pyramids, and Stonehenge for that matter? And how did they do it?

I lived three miles from Stonehenge for three years and visited it most weekends, and that was before it was commercialised, fenced off and spoilt, it was in 1961-1964. It wasn't known then and it isn't known now how it was erected, and why it was erected. Oh Yes, there have been many thoughts, suggestions, ideas and guesses - but no one knows. No one even knows WHEN the Sphinx was built, and why - and why the lions head was destroyed and the Pharoahs head put in its place.

Have you ever been to Stonehenge or any of these other places? If so what were your thoughts and feelings?

How come so many ancient texts of diverse civilizations have the same myths,parables and allegories?

Just a point, none of my ideas come from the internet. I don't go in for browsing the net - in fact this is the only site that I visit. My information and knowledge comes from academic, spiritual and personal sources. I have recovered some of my memories of past lives pertaining to the planets and Atlantis and ancient civilizations. My sources are also from personal experiences.

Blessings

grazier :hug3:

grazier

19-12-2010, 03:07 PM

norseman

19-12-2010, 03:08 PM

grazier

19-12-2010, 03:22 PM

Recent archeological around the North Sea points to seven submersions over the last 100,000 years. The last one being at the end of the last Ice Age. Full submersion occuring around 6000 BC. The hunter-gatherers migrated both east and west. The standing stones in Britain and Northern France are so very similar as to point towards a common people. And dont lose sight of the fact that Stonehenge and the like were being constructed when the Egyptians were still living in mud huts. So ,if you want to identify an advanced culture, look towards Europe rather than the Middle-East.

I believe that the Atlanteans colonised the main centres of the world and that it was they that built Stonehenge, the Sphinx and The Great Pyramids among other things, with technology that we do not understand. They were all also aligned with the Planets which bears out advanced knowledge of astronomy as well.

There was talk of Stonehenge being a giant sundial. I have been there at midday and seen the shadow fall on the altar stone, but I don't feel that was its purpose. There have been many suggestions but I don't think any of them are near to the truth. Who knows? Scientists certainly don't.

There are so many things that scientists cannot explain away, even though they try to. They just pooh pooh what they don't understand and call it 'imagination'. If they did understand they would surely be showing humankind how to save the planet and to live together in peace and harmony, instead of trying to create black holes and emulate the late Atlanteans in growing human parts on animals and creating clones and test tube creatures (including human) under the guise of helping humanity. Why? What is it all about?

Blessings

grazier :hug3:

Summerland

19-12-2010, 04:06 PM

If you wish to name a "continent" that disappeared in a short space of time, look no further than the Drowned Lands of the North Sea plain - an area larger than the present British Isles plus I will throw in the Drowned Lands of the Irish Sea for free !
As far as Atlantis goes, the simplest answers are always the best i.e. the Santorini caldera and the destruction of the Minoan culture.

Norseman, could that have been where the Tuathe De Danaan have come from?
And thanks for pointing that out here. That gives me one more thing to add to my growing list of things to research! :rolleyes: I also have to check out if the winter solstice in a couple of days is going to be eventful.

Grazier, I always enjoy your posts.
Atlantis would not have been destroyed in a day or even a month. It would have happened over decades or even centuries. Many Atlanteans would have had ample time to disperse around to the surrounding continents. There are too many linguistic, building, crafts and legends that are too similar to be a coincidence.

grazier

19-12-2010, 04:20 PM

Norseman, could that have been where the Tuathe De Danaan have come from?
And thanks for pointing that out here. That gives me one more thing to add to my growing list of things to research! :rolleyes: I also have to check out if the winter solstice in a couple of days is going to be eventful.

Grazier, I always enjoy your posts.
Atlantis would not have been destroyed in a day or even a month. It would have happened over decades or even centuries. Many Atlanteans would have had ample time to disperse around to the surrounding continents. There are too many linguistic, building, crafts and legends that are too similar to be a coincidence.

Thank you Summerland,

I agree with you, it would have taken time, but it could have happened - look at Pompeii. There was evidence of that happening at Thera as well. But I agree, but it would have had effect on other places. What about the Rift Valley in South Africa?

The Atlanteans would probably have had some warnings and that is why the sensible ones left Atlantis to find other homes and civilizations, which they tried to nurture.

Blessings

grazier :hug3:

Summerland

19-12-2010, 04:39 PM

Thank you Summerland,

I agree with you, it would have taken time, but it could have happened - look at Pompeii. There was evidence of that happening at Thera as well. But I agree, but it would have had effect on other places. What about the Rift Valley in South Africa?

The Atlanteans would probably have had some warnings and that is why the sensible ones left Atlantis to find other homes and civilizations, which they tried to nurture.

Blessings

grazier :hug3:

The Rift Valley is becoming active again as we speak. And the Bay of Yemen, nearby, has been experiencing swarms of earthqaukes for a few months. All about the same depth and magnitude.
But Atlantis would have been broken into pieces and been swallowed by the ocean. I am one of those who believe that it was between Africa and the northern part of So America. Around Bimini, if you will. A Canadian undersea archaeology team has been researching and diving in that area for a few years now with the expectation that they have found remnants of Atlantis. Santorini has been unearthed and none of the advanced technologies that Atlantis was supposed to have were found there.

norseman

19-12-2010, 05:01 PM

"Norseman, could that have been where the Tuathe De Danaan have come from?"

Summerland, I have a rather fine book [ if I can find it :D ] it is called the Myths and Legends of the British Isles by Barber which has a section on that subject
"And the children of Bethach, who was the son of Iarbonel the Soothsayer, went into the northern isles of the world to learn druidry and heathenism and devilish knowledge, so that they were expert in every art, and they too returned to Ireland and became the Tuatha de Danaan.
But as for Fergus Red-Side and his son Britain Mael, from who all the Britons of the world are descended, they filled the great island of Britain with their offspring, until Hengist and Horsa, the two sons of Guietglis, the king of the Old Saxons, came and conquered them. The Fir Bolg gave battle to the Tuatha de Danaan ............. the Tuatha suffered great loss and left their king on the battlefield with his arm cut from and it took the leaches seven years to heal him ......................... " Legend of Silver Hand, yes ?

Hows that for just a sample :D [ Obviously, I found it ]

Summerland

19-12-2010, 05:07 PM

Norseman, were the Tuathe De Danaan a fair complected race , tall and blondish?

norseman

19-12-2010, 05:09 PM

I have a feeling that they were Celts or proto-celtic.

norseman

19-12-2010, 05:13 PM

The section of the book is called The Seven Takings of Ireland and deals with seven invasions. The first peoples were Greek or of Greek origins , although a daughter of an Egyptian Pharoah get a mention too.

Chrysaetos

19-12-2010, 11:38 PM

Hy Chrysaetos,

Okay then, if you consider these things are all fake and imagination show me the proof and evidence of this. That would be off topic. I have posted elsewhere about the crystal skulls. The ''mystery'' about Easter Island can be found on the internet. The people used trees to move the rocks.
Do you know what documents and books have been lost or destroyed? No I don't, which is precisely why I don't make any claims about the books.
What evidence is there of advanced technology and civilizations in Egypt before 10,000 BC and where did the knowledge come from to build the pyramids, and Stonehenge for that matter? And how did they do it? Why do you focus on 10,000 BC? Those ancient civilisations had many centuries to reach their heights and achievements.
Interestingly, we got our modern technology in only a few centuries! Humans can do it.
Have you ever been to Stonehenge or any of these other places? If so what were your thoughts and feelings? Oh yes. I have visited both Stonehenge and Egypt. I have also visited other countries and their religious sites, and most of the holy sites in Israel.
How come so many ancient texts of diverse civilizations have the same myths,parables and allegories? Do they? Care to give examples?
Some civilisations were not that far apart and influenced one another. Other similarities (like animal symbolism) are pretty logical. South Americans experienced fear for snakes, just like Asians and Africans.
Just a point, none of my ideas come from the internet. I don't go in for browsing the net - in fact this is the only site that I visit. My information and knowledge comes from academic, spiritual and personal sources. I have recovered some of my memories of past lives pertaining to the planets and Atlantis and ancient civilizations. My sources are also from personal experiences. Academic sources?

Personal experiences are influenced by our beliefs, culture, upbringing and so forth. Knowledge of what we are experiencing always involves an interpretation of these experiences. And knowing our experiences requires more than simply having it and thinking we're there. It implies being able to identify, describe, and explain it. For that, we humans often seek shelter in our beliefs and cultural understandings. I have had many experiences myself that I know can't be fully trusted.

Chrysaetos

19-12-2010, 11:41 PM

Chrysaetos, again we will have to agree to differ. Advances are being made all the time to prove that what scientists thought that they knew has to be reworked to fit new parameters. It is a constantly changing world, universe and cosmos out there. New anamolies are being discovered daily. Planetary changes can and do alter the surface in a blink of an eye. We are the observers.Who would be left to tell us what happened 10,000 or a million years ago? An asteroid can wipe out thousands of square miles in an instant. Mega volcanoes, such as the one in Siberea or a Yellowstone eruption can destroy everything on the planet by blocking out the sun and laying down several feet of ash. Ice advancing can and does grind down everything in its path. The mighty Niagra Falls was created by earthquakes; that is how the earth can shift. So you can disbelieve that a civilization can disappear and I can believe that there is more to our surroundings than will ever meet the eye. Ok, but none of it are reason enough to believe a continent was gone in the blink of an eye because the people in it were led astray. Just because we make new discoveries is not a reason to ignore established facts. A Canadian undersea archaeology team has been researching and diving in that area for a few years now with the expectation that they have found remnants of Atlantis. Santorini has been unearthed and none of the advanced technologies that Atlantis was supposed to have were found there. Interesting, where are the photos and the treasures?

''advanced technologies'' < What sources? Where can I find this in Plato's work?

Zagacat

20-12-2010, 12:33 AM

Summerland

20-12-2010, 02:37 AM

Hi Chrysaetos. I can appreciate your point of view, though I respectfully disagree. Since other subject matters have been brought up, I would be interested to see what your thoughts are on places like Gobekli Tepe, which was constructed at least 17,000 BC or many of these ancient megalithic sites. Thank you!

Zagacat, thanks for talking about that. I had to do a quick look-up as I had not heard of it.
I saw a special on Chalco Canyon, New Mexico, which I have visited. They were the only known civilization to have tracked the moon across the sky in it's 19 year cycle ( I believe that was the number) The entire canyon was built in not to house people, but to track the moon and sun across the sky throughout the year, including the solstices. The kivas were all laid out for that purpose along an 8 mile canyon. Each of the kivas were a marking for the transit of the sun and moon. Amazing that a people in 850 AD would work in such arid, harsh conditions to accomplish this for the purpose of that. Not living quarters, but for ceremonies. It took 12 generations to build, outlying centers covered 95,000 sq miles and they traded with people as far away as 3,000 miles.

norseman

20-12-2010, 10:17 AM

"Santorini has been unearthed" ?? Only one section of the caldera wall collapsed.

The mistake being made, perhaps, is equating technologies with advanced cultures. A more fruitful search could be made by studying the origins and spread of advanced philosophies perhaps. This would need to be examined alongside the cycle of Ice Ages.

Just as a parting word, this thread is badly described as Paranormal and Supernatural. "Supernatural" is an oxymoron as it implies things outside of the nature, and paranormal is just a word used to label events which are normal but of low probability.

grazier

20-12-2010, 03:13 PM

The Rift Valley is becoming active again as we speak. And the Bay of Yemen, nearby, has been experiencing swarms of earthqaukes for a few months. All about the same depth and magnitude.
But Atlantis would have been broken into pieces and been swallowed by the ocean. I am one of those who believe that it was between Africa and the northern part of So America. Around Bimini, if you will. A Canadian undersea archaeology team has been researching and diving in that area for a few years now with the expectation that they have found remnants of Atlantis. Santorini has been unearthed and none of the advanced technologies that Atlantis was supposed to have were found there.

That is very interesting about the Rift valley, but the whole of the earth's crust is on the move isn't it.

That is also where I believe Atlantis to be. I have spiritual past connections with the Mediterranean and also feel that Atlantis is in between Africa and South America. There are maps in several books that show land mass there in ancient times. Also Gods, teachers and leaders of ancient times mostly seem to come from the West, i.e. Quetzelcoatl.

I am afraid that I know nothing of Santorini so I have no knowledge on that count.

Have you read the Atlantis Blueprint by Rand Flem-Ath and Colin Wilson? or The Mystery of Atlantis by Charles Berlitz? You might find them interesting.

Blessings

grazier :hug3:

Summerland

20-12-2010, 03:56 PM

That is very interesting about the Rift valley, but the whole of the earth's crust is on the move isn't it.

That is also where I believe Atlantis to be. I have spiritual past connections with the Mediterranean and also feel that Atlantis is in between Africa and South America. There are maps in several books that show land mass there in ancient times. Also Gods, teachers and leaders of ancient times mostly seem to come from the West, i.e. Quetzelcoatl.

I am afraid that I know nothing of Santorini so I have no knowledge on that count.

Have you read the Atlantis Blueprint by Rand Flem-Ath and Colin Wilson? or The Mystery of Atlantis by Charles Berlitz? You might find them interesting.

Blessings

grazier :hug3:

grazier, I also have connections to Athens. It is probably the second most important past life that has a bearing on this life. The most important past life was in Atlantis as one of the temples was brought down by a massive earthquake. I am supposing that is why I am terrified of earthquakes, even tho I have never experienced one in this life.
Yes, the planet is shaking and quaking.
I have not read those books. My first knowledge of Atlantis was when I was 7 or 8. I did not "officially" know anything about it until I read about it when I was in my teens. Edgar Cayce was where I first heard of Atlantis.
Verbal lore in the Sioux Nation and Cherokee Native Americans tell of their ancestors coming from the east from the Atlantic ocean.

Chrysaetos

20-12-2010, 04:08 PM

I have spiritual past connections with the Mediterranean and also feel that Atlantis is in between Africa and South America. There are maps in several books that show land mass there in ancient times.
I have not read those books. My first knowledge of Atlantis was when I was 7 or 8. I did not "officially" know anything about it until I read about it when I was in my teens. Edgar Cayce was where I first heard of Atlantis.
Verbal lore in the Sioux Nation and Cherokee Native Americans tell of their ancestors coming from the east from the Atlantic ocean. You might have linked these ''past life'' experiences later in life to the stories you read. We all try to seek connections.
Our personal experiences are still influenced, they don't come in a vacuum. Knowledge of what we are experiencing always involves an interpretation of these experiences.

How exactly did Atlantis look? How did the Atlanteans dress? What animals did they have? What was the landscape like?

The Sioux and Cherokee coming from the eastern parts? Yeah that's possible. Also Gods, teachers and leaders of ancient times mostly seem to come from the West, i.e. Quetzelcoatl. What about Amaterasu and Varaha?

Summerland

20-12-2010, 04:46 PM

You might have linked these ''past life'' experiences later in life to the stories you read. We all try to seek connections.
Our personal experiences are still influenced, they don't come in a vacuum. Knowledge of what we are experiencing always involves an interpretation of these experiences.

How exactly did Atlantis look? How did the Atlanteans dress? What animals did they have? What was the landscape like?

The Sioux and Cherokee coming from the eastern parts? Yeah that's possible. What about Amaterasu and Varaha?

Chrysaetos, there is nothing that grazier, myself or any other poster can write that would convince you that there was an Atlantis. We could describe same memories and facts to you, yet still you would find a reason not to believe. Our reality will never be your reality. We all have different views of what goes on around us; we each have a unique perspective. And those pespectives are real for each individual, but that doesn't mean it would be true for a neighbor , family member or a person in Australia. I could tell you in great detail what it felt like having a temple column come crashing down on you, how it felt choking on the dust and the blood, but that would not make it your reality, would it? There is no logical reason for a 7 or 8 year old, living in a small Missouri town, to have this memory of a woman being killed in that manner. There are several of us on this forum have extraordinary similarities in our memories of living in Atlantis, yet none of us have met, that I know of.
Perhaps you naysay Atlantis because you do not want to remember, only believe in what you see or have become dissillusioned. Perhaps you only see in blacks/whites and nothing in between. Regardless there is a vast chasm between our beliefs. :dontknow:

Chrysaetos

20-12-2010, 05:01 PM

Chrysaetos, there is nothing that grazier, myself or any other poster can write that would convince you that there was an Atlantis. We could describe same memories and facts to you, yet still you would find a reason not to believe. I am interested in it, and whether I believe it or not shouldn't be important. The general stuff about Atlantis interests me: how they dressed, the landscape, animals, climate.
Perhaps you naysay Atlantis because you do not want to remember, only believe in what you see or have become dissillusioned. Perhaps you only see in blacks/whites and nothing in between. Regardless there is a vast chasm between our beliefs. :dontknow: Naysayer? I am not in denial here, just sceptical and curious. That's what an open mind is all about. I do know the power of our minds, and I have also believed I got a hold on some of my past lives. But it's really tricky business, our childhood memories are later on in life often reinterpreted by ourselves based on later experiences and beliefs.

Summerland

20-12-2010, 05:09 PM

Chrysaetos, my memories were so strong when I was a child that I wrote a 6 page short story about it and kept that story for many years. Each time that I read it, I would cry; deep, wracking sobs. My older sister took it and burned it as I would get so distressed each time that I read it.

Summerland

20-12-2010, 05:40 PM

I suggest you get hold of the book Angel Answers by Diana Cooper, there is a very good section on Atlantis. I would have copied relevant sentences from the book but I gave it to someone, although I found an article online which says basically everything that the book says.

http://ezinearticles.com/?2012-and-the-Return-of-Atlantis&id=1237874 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fezinearticles.com%2F%3 F2012-and-the-Return-of-Atlantis%26amp%3Bid%3D1237874)

I hope this shines some more light on the subject!

Sophie :smile:

I was going back over this therad and decided to read this article . Again, amazed at the the similar memories. Those are all things that I remember, particularly how children were taught out in the open air. The way that healing was done also reiterates what I remember. I was in one of those healing temples being trained to be a healer as a priestess, when it came shaking down and killed me. Now I am going to have to locate that book and treat myself to a trip down memory lane.

Greenslade

21-12-2010, 02:04 AM

Supposing, just supposing there was an all-out nuclear war tomorrow and pretty much all of civilisation was wiped out except for a very few survivors. And supposing someone found a coke vending machine in some remote Tibetian village a few thousand years after that war, would the archaeologists think they had found America? What I believe is happening here is that people look at Atlantis from where they stand right now - which isn't wrong but maybe there's another way to look at it. Step back into history a few thousand years and imagine yourself in Atlantean shoes, and think of what has happened between then and now. At the end of Atlantis was the next best thing to that nuclear war where much of the civilisation was pretty much wiped out - apart from the survivors obviously. Although history doesn't have the hard evidence of Atlantis you can see Atlantean influence in many cultures if you believe it existed in the first place. There are cultures with - archaeologically speaking - that would never have met so why do they have similarities in their myths and legends? Why would a Mayan pyramid have the inscription "Tao T'ien" on its walls when history says the two cultures could never have possibly met? 'Tao' means Way (as in the Tao Te Ching) and 'T'ien' means Heaven. The Mayan pyramids were seen as a way to heaven. Why are so many gods common to so many diverse cultures common, so common that the only difference is their names? How does the hieroglyphic depiction of a Harrier jet turn up as a child's plaything on top of a mountain in South America alongside what looks like caterpillar tracks? And the people that found those things struggled to climb it with ropes?

I believe there's a very good reason why there are so many possible locations for Atlantis. Consider how technologically advanced the Atlanteans were, that they had flying machines that could cover great distances with ease. Perhaps what is being found in so many different places is not Atlantis itself but evidence of Atlantean civilisation. We still think of what we have today and compare it to what has come before, but were Atlanteans so constricted by geography and territorial borders as we are today and was the whole planet Atlantean?
Why do so many people have so very vivid memories of Atlantis, even down to one person starting off a tale and another they have never met before being able to finish it? Science is a long, long way from having all the answers.

Imagine what has happened since the destruction of Atlantis. There has been the Deluge that has been told about in the Bible, and many cultures reflect their version of that same event. There must have been massive shifts in the tectonic plates - Scotland and America were once joined, a certain gneiss rock that is only found in North America has also been found in Scotland. How much evidence may have been found but may been hidden away or destroyed for 'our own good'? And if there was a war, wouldn't it be feasible for one side to systematically try to eradicate any traces of the other side?

Perhaps, Chrysaetos, those childhood memories are more true than adult ones because they are untainted by the colouring of such things as the adult need for hard evidence or doubt in ourselves? There is so much in this world that is built upon beliefs with little hard evidence to show for it - ask any religious person or Spiritualist. Atlantis - I believe - will never be found by archaeology. I believe Atlantis will only be found within ourselves. If you believe you are Atlantean - and it is a belief and not a fancy - then you have something of Atlantis inside of you. What Summerland says about being trapped beneath that pillar? I have memories of seeing a woman in that same situation. I believe she is the same woman I saw. Mary Chapman wrote a book about her memories of Atlantis and the Golden Ones, and in one chapter she described a scene where she was being shown round what she thought was a control room of some description. I had dreamt of that very same scene, and remember a woman being shown round as though she was on a guided tour. Call it what you will, but for me that's far too close for comfort. There are numerous examples of when someone has started off a story with "you're going to think I'm crazy but......." and I've finished off their tale for them. Or when two people talk of the exact same scene or situation from memory. Is there a group psychosis going on there or are those memories real?

I believe, Chrysaetos, that whether or not you - or anyone else - believe is important. I believe that the hard evidence of whether or not Atlantis is secondary to what we feel inside. There are those that wish to seek out their own... kin. There is something known as Anam Cara, you can Google it if you like but it's something that has to be experienced rather than defined. That Anam Cara exists between Atlanteans and they always know their own. it matters not if they actually met during their time in Atlantis or not, but that Anam Cara also defines what Atlantis was about. Atlantis was less about the place, more about the concept and the kinship. Atlantis was about integrating higher dimensional energies into the third dimension.

Summerland

21-12-2010, 03:04 AM

Greenslade, I bow and send you a "Namaste". We are One.:thumbsup:

Zagacat

21-12-2010, 03:33 AM

Summerland

21-12-2010, 03:44 AM

Hi Summerland, I tried to respond last night 3 times but stuff kept happening like a breaker would shut of or the children would unplug the PC. I finally gave up after failed attempt after attempt. Lol. I l have not been to but love researching Chaco Canyon. I am such a nerd when it comes to uncovering ancient history! I never realize it until I am trying to tell someone at lunch about my latest discovery and realize they are staring at me blankly as I rattle on. I am so intrigued that I have been aware of these places for some time but never put it together until recently that indeed there was no way that the ancients built these gianormus sites just rolling megaliths on logs. First of all, where did the Egyptians get the logs? Fig trees? Conveinetly the History channel is covering a lot of architectural mysteries lately as well. Check this out:
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRTe4T-YnoHI02NpV7bRmEz4t4VW3OX4G3D_h9T780J484o-zec (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Ft2.gstatic.com%2Fimage s%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcRTe4T-YnoHI02NpV7bRmEz4t4VW3OX4G3D_h9T780J484o-zec)
(hopefully that is the correct way to post a pic)
How does this just happen? There is definitely advanced technology here. No mortar-giant stones. Fascinating!

Zagacat, getting ready for work, but will check out your links later if there is time at work. I believe that many of these building achievements were done using harmonics and vibrational energy. Once you get into the power of harmonics/vibration, you realize its power. Until we rediscover that power we will be reliant on fossil fuel.
And I know of that feeling that you get when people blankly stare at you; I get that whenever I mention that I have seen a UFO or have seen spirits. But I am getting used to it, much as when I say the name"clark Gable" to a young person.
Archaeologists can't even figure out WHEN the Sphinx or pyriamids were built, much less HOW.
Got to run now! Thanks for writing!:hug3:

norseman

21-12-2010, 09:12 AM

" there was no way that the ancients built these gianormus sites just rolling megaliths on logs. First of all, where did the Egyptians get the logs? Fig trees? Conveinetly the History channel is covering a lot of architectural mysteries lately as well."

Tut, tut Zagacat. You are seeing Egypt as it is now, not as it was in the days of the building of the Pyramids. North Africa used to be a fertile place before the bedouin brought in their goats. Also, ever heard of the Cedars of Lebanon ?
You might also want to think about the megalithic sites in Northern Europe which predate the Pyramids by almost a millenia and they were built using ramps and pulleys and levers - no "mysterious powers", just a good knowledge of basic engineering principles.

The History Channel :D thats like getting your news from FOX !

Leave you with one final thought. When the neo/mesolithic peoples built their sites like Stonehenge, time was of no consequence ; there were no ElfinSafety twonks : and [ most important !] no accountants.

Chrysaetos

21-12-2010, 09:44 AM

Supposing, just supposing there was an all-out nuclear war tomorrow and pretty much all of civilisation was wiped out except for a very few survivors. And supposing someone found a coke vending machine in some remote Tibetian village a few thousand years after that war, would the archaeologists think they had found America? What I believe is happening here is that people look at Atlantis from where they stand right now - which isn't wrong but maybe there's another way to look at it. Exactly! People try to understand Atlantis through modern ideas - advanced technology, nuclear wars, etc. What we have to do is look at the original sources (Plato). Without Plato's account none here would have ever heard about Atlantis. All the New Age authors should thank Plato for this, their ideas derive indirectly (!) from his account.
Step back into history a few thousand years and imagine yourself in Atlantean shoes, and think of what has happened between then and now. At the end of Atlantis was the next best thing to that nuclear war where much of the civilisation was pretty much wiped out - apart from the survivors obviously. Nuclear war? Where? How? Evidence?
Although history doesn't have the hard evidence of Atlantis you can see Atlantean influence in many cultures if you believe it existed in the first place. There are cultures with - archaeologically speaking - that would never have met so why do they have similarities in their myths and legends? Examples..? What is this Atlantean culture? What were the common dresses, buildings, and also the landscape, language, food, wild animals, and climate?

Why are so many gods common to so many diverse cultures common, so common that the only difference is their names? How does the hieroglyphic depiction of a Harrier jet turn up as a child's plaything on top of a mountain in South America alongside what looks like caterpillar tracks? And the people that found those things struggled to climb it with ropes? Cultures around the world have similarities because they deal with similar problems. Many all had to worry about droughts, disasters, disease. Many civilisations build big stuff to reach the sky, because they all looked at the sky with wondering eyes. If there was a common culture, they would have many similarities. But they don't. The pyramids from South America are totally different from those in Egypt. They all had to deal with poisonous snakes. There doesn't always have to be a direct connection between these civilisationsPerhaps what is being found in so many different places is not Atlantis itself but evidence of Atlantean civilisation. We still think of what we have today and compare it to what has come before, but were Atlanteans so constricted by geography and territorial borders as we are today and was the whole planet Atlantean? The whole planet Atlantean? The whole planet (''humanity'') were hunter-gatherers. Pre-historic civilisations are an interesting thought, but again there's a lack of evidence.
Why do so many people have so very vivid memories of Atlantis, even down to one person starting off a tale and another they have never met before being able to finish it? Science is a long, long way from having all the answers. I can't say whether each story is true or not, but often people are either familiar with Atlantis stories, or later in life they are interpreting old memories in such a way.
Imagine what has happened since the destruction of Atlantis. There has been the Deluge that has been told about in the Bible, and many cultures reflect their version of that same event. Really? Or is it just that many cultures had to deal with floods and droughts? Who's saying they all talk about the same thing?
There must have been massive shifts in the tectonic plates - Scotland and America were once joined, a certain gneiss rock that is only found in North America has also been found in Scotland. How much evidence may have been found but may been hidden away or destroyed for 'our own good'? Yes, a very long time ago they were joined.

I can't really comment on very personal experiences, but I am interested in the place and its characteristics. I could do more with that. For instance, there were lots of elephants on Atlantis according to Plato. We should find their bones in the seas, just as they've found mammoth and sabertooth bones in the North Sea. Or they should have found material from their culture. I require something tangible, some real evidence.

Summerland

21-12-2010, 12:18 PM

Well, Chrysaetos, I suppose believing in Atlantis is much like believing in God or Allah. There is no concrete proof,but people believe anyway IF a person has had memories of Atlantis, it is as real to them as anything that has happened to them in this life. I get snatches of details. I don't like to discuss it with someone who hasn't lived there, as corny as it sounds. What I do remember is great beauty, wisdom, much laughter, dancing, healing, temples, caves, great mountains looming in the distance- the tips frosted with snow. The more personal memories I share with very few people.
Neville, I appreciate you opening this thread. It is good to talk about it for most of us, I believe.We learn and share. I have some suggestions for reading material that I had overlooked before.:hug3:

Gem

21-12-2010, 01:00 PM

Exactly! People try to understand Atlantis through modern ideas - advanced technology, nuclear wars, etc. What we have to do is look at the original sources (Plato). Without Plato's account none here would have ever heard about Atlantis. All the New Age authors should thank Plato for this, their ideas derive indirectly (!) from his account.
Nuclear war? Where? How? Evidence? Examples..? What is this Atlantean culture? What were the common dresses, buildings, and also the landscape, language, food, wild animals, and climate?
Cultures around the world have similarities because they deal with similar problems. Many all had to worry about droughts, disasters, disease. Many civilisations build big stuff to reach the sky, because they all looked at the sky with wondering eyes. If there was a common culture, they would have many similarities. But they don't. The pyramids from South America are totally different from those in Egypt. They all had to deal with poisonous snakes. There doesn't always have to be a direct connection between these civilisations The whole planet Atlantean? The whole planet (''humanity'') were hunter-gatherers. Pre-historic civilisations are an interesting thought, but again there's a lack of evidence. I can't say whether each story is true or not, but often people are either familiar with Atlantis stories, or later in life they are interpreting old memories in such a way. Really? Or is it just that many cultures had to deal with floods and droughts? Who's saying they all talk about the same thing? Yes, a very long time ago they were joined.

I can't really comment on very personal experiences, but I am interested in the place and its characteristics. I could do more with that. For instance, there were lots of elephants on Atlantis according to Plato. We should find their bones in the seas, just as they've found mammoth and sabertooth bones in the North Sea. Or they should have found material from their culture. I require something tangible, some real evidence.

In excavations on Crete they found the bones of minature elephants which stood about one mtr high, the teeth prove these were adult animals... the fossils are held at the museum of natural history.

Of course Plato was the first one to describe atlantis, so it's his little brainchild, interestingly though his geometric layout of the city differes greatly form that of those 'lived there'.

Chrysaetos

21-12-2010, 01:05 PM

In excavations on Crete they found the bones of minature elephants which stood about one mtr high, the teeth prove these were adult animals... the fossils are held at the museum of natural history.
Yes, a species of dwarf elephant lived on various Mediterranean islands.

norseman

21-12-2010, 01:09 PM

Greenslade

21-12-2010, 02:39 PM

You cannot "prove" that America and Scotland were once joined because gneiss rock is found in both locations. Gneis, of one form or another, is a common rock found in many locations throughout the world. It formed in the Pre-Cambrian era, about 3 billion years ago.

Don't shoot me, shoot the archaeologist(s) who found that certain type of gneiss rock that is only found in North America :-)

Chrysaetos, most memories of Altantis agree on the cataclysmic destruction, as I've said the next best thing to a nuclear war. Using the analogy of a nuclear war is the best example I could find considering nobody is really sure what power the Atlanteans had access to. If you're looking for hard evidence you might never find it.

There are examples in many different cultures. The Sumerians say that people came from the east and gave then culture, laws and everything that went to make up civilisation. Who were these people? Does this mean there were more people on earth than just hunter/gatherers?

I'm not sure what problem would be solved by an hieroglyph of what seems to depict a spaceman or a Harrier jump jet. Perhaps whatever made the caterpillar tracks on the top of the mountain was used to build the pyramids? And the two sets of pyramids are not so different after all. If you take away cultural differences you'll find that the Mayan pyramids and the Egyptian pyramids are based on the same unit - the Golden mean. That same measurement was also reflected in Stonehenge and across most of Europe. The pyramids might look different but their geometry is very similar. of course, it has to be a coincide, right?

Floods and droughts, perhaps many cultures had to deal with those things but there is a bit of a difference between a flood and the Deluge. There is a book called Fingerprints of the Gods, I can probably dig it out if you want the ISBN number if you like. It should still be available from Amazon, a friend of mine has just bought a copy. What the author and his wife do is look at various creation myths from cultures across the world. It seems that the evidence is there for very diverse cultures to have very similar myths, legends and gods. It seems that they all have the same roles within their cultures, only the names are different. But then, while a god called Kimi (my DayKeeper) might work a god called Tarquin might not go down too well with the Mayans.

So while you look for evidence, science and archaeology don't have anywhere near all of the answers. There are very widely diverse cultures and even religions with far too many commonalities for it to be mere chance. Evidence is what you want it to be.

Chrysaetos

21-12-2010, 02:52 PM

Chrysaetos, most memories of Altantis agree on the cataclysmic destruction, as I've said the next best thing to a nuclear war. Using the analogy of a nuclear war is the best example I could find considering nobody is really sure what power the Atlanteans had access to. If you're looking for hard evidence you might never find it. Yes, because people are familiar with the same stories.
So the nuclear war comment was an analogy, ok.

There are examples in many different cultures. The Sumerians say that people came from the east and gave then culture, laws and everything that went to make up civilisation. Who were these people? Does this mean there were more people on earth than just hunter/gatherers? All cultures have creation myths and ancestral stories. It doesn't mean it is necessarily real. We all know the stories of the bible and Jews might believe they all have Egyptian slaves as common ancestors, but there's no evidence for Exodus. There are more examples that have increased my scepticism, some years ago I swallowed it all up as truth. But it got boring after a while :p The Sumerians might talk about people coming from the east, and who knows this was India, Iran, or some other place.
And the two sets of pyramids are not so different after all. If you take away cultural differences you'll find that the Mayan pyramids and the Egyptian pyramids are based on the same unit - the Golden mean. That same measurement was also reflected in Stonehenge and across most of Europe. The pyramids might look different but their geometry is very similar. of course, it has to be a coincide, right?I'm not saying there is a coincidence. There is no coincidence if you ask me, nor any common ancestry in a mother civilisation. Both South Americans and Egyptians looked at the sky. Both made temples. Both made buildings that we call pyramids, but they look quite different. If they came from the same mother civilisation there wouldn't be such a fundamental difference.

I have a book here by E. von Däniken, a Dutch translation, so I can't say we talk about the same book.
I know science and archaeology don't have all the answers, but some claims here seem impossible. Of course new discoveries are made but it's no reason to ignore established facts because we prefer a mystery.

''Far too many commonalities'' < Care to give some examples?

grazier

21-12-2010, 03:45 PM

grazier, I also have connections to Athens. It is probably the second most important past life that has a bearing on this life. The most important past life was in Atlantis as one of the temples was brought down by a massive earthquake. I am supposing that is why I am terrified of earthquakes, even tho I have never experienced one in this life.
Yes, the planet is shaking and quaking.
I have not read those books. My first knowledge of Atlantis was when I was 7 or 8. I did not "officially" know anything about it until I read about it when I was in my teens. Edgar Cayce was where I first heard of Atlantis.
Verbal lore in the Sioux Nation and Cherokee Native Americans tell of their ancestors coming from the east from the Atlantic ocean.

Summerland,

I have placed an account part of my connection with Cyprus in Grazier's Scrapbook as well as one of my Atlantean memories.

However I have had more than one lifetime in Atlantis. One recollection is working in one of the healing Temples with my father and brother, working with coloured light and with glass.

I also have a vivid memory of a power house and the harnessing of energy for the powering of Atlantis through an egg shaped crystal on a gigantic wooden pylon. The idea was to take in the solar energy and magnify it into the tower where it was distributed to smaller power houses for the grids. Crystals were used for harnessing and distributing energy for power, healing, teaching and travel. Hence this is the use of the crystal skulls. The ancient ones ARE NOT fakes and it has been proven so, especially with the Mitchell Hedges skull. They were brought from the stars - Orion, Plaeides and Sirius, to Atlantis for healing, teaching and travel. They opened portals to the universe.

The two books that I mentioned deal with research and facts, evidence rather than channellings and legends, although Charles Berlitz does touch on Plato's writings.

There is another good book, very factual, which deals with Egypt really but it gives new perspectives on the Sphinx. Some interesting things come to light here about its age and the fact that it has been proven that the damage to the Sphinx was caused by water erosion rather than sun and wind - stating that there were floods. It is based on Lubicz von Scwaller's work and is called The Sepent in the Sky by John Anthony West. You might find these very interesting and informative.

Blessings

grazier:hug3:

Summerland

21-12-2010, 03:58 PM

grazier, I have those very same memories, except not touring with father and brother. I was chosen to be taught in the temple to be a priestess of healing. We used harmonics, color and crystals, also something like a tuning fork. I was very young, maybe around 8-10 years old when the teaching started, but I did not live full time in the temple until I was 12-13. I will look up your thread on your memories. They sound much clearer than mine.

Chrysaetos

21-12-2010, 03:59 PM

Hence this is the use of the crystal skulls. The ancient ones ARE NOT fakes and it has been proven so, especially with the Mitchell Hedges skull. They were brought from the stars - Orion, Plaeides and Sirius, to Atlantis for healing, teaching and travel. They opened portals to the universe. Here's a good link: Click (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .skepdic.com%252Fcrystalskull.html)

Brought from Orion, Plaeides and Sirius? A bunch of stones that have the form of a human skull, that come from those places? I think that's a tad anthropocentric.
Some interesting things come to light here about its age and the fact that it has been proven that the damage to the Sphinx was caused by water erosion rather than sun and wind - stating that there were floods. What kind of floods? There were Nile floods and the Sphinx could have been built next to a body of water.

For any Atlanteans here: What was Atlantis like outside of the temples? What animals roamed the wilds? What was the language? The clothes? Buildings? Technology? Education? Body characteristics of Atlanteans?

grazier

21-12-2010, 04:30 PM

Here's a good link: Click (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.skepdic.com%2525 2Fcrystalskull.html)

Brought from Orion, Plaeides and Sirius? A bunch of stones that have the form of a human skull, that come from those places? I think that's a tad anthropocentric.
What kind of floods? There were Nile floods and the Sphinx could have been built next to a body of water.

For any Atlanteans here: What was Atlantis like outside of the temples? What animals roamed the wilds? What was the language? The clothes? Buildings? Technology? Education? Body characteristics of Atlanteans?

Chrysaetos,

I can remember wild billy goats that were a bit gruff but I can't remember what lived under the bridges. Perhaps you can tell me.
Blessings

grazier :hug3:

norseman

21-12-2010, 04:37 PM

When you read "deluge" or "flood", think the end of the last Ice Age when sea levels rose dramatically [ deluge of the North Sea plain etc ] - this flood/deluge is a matter of archeological record.

I was wondering when someone was going to bring in Von Daniken. Who next, David Eicke or L. Ron Hubbard ? Please, people, try to keep it within the broad bounds of rationality ! :D

Summerkat

21-12-2010, 11:57 PM

When I was at the forums yesterday I was looking at this thread. I'm not too much interested in Atlantis but I've been curious about Lemuria for awhile. Although last time I looked..quite a while back..Wikipedia (I know...) had said that it was kind of proven that it couldn't have existed. So anyways, I was looking around again all over the place for info. about Lemuria. There still isn't very much out there except for that its believed the Lemurians are living in Mount Shasta..some channelers are channeling the high priest Adama...and that when Lemuria sunk they were singing "Auld Lang Syne" --seriously that what they're saying. And there were referances to ascending to the 5th dimension and becoming immortal (btw, I'm seeing a lot more stuff about physical immortality lately). But anyways, wanted you to know I lost a couple hours after reading this thread surfing the Internet for Lemuria, LOL> :D

norseman

22-12-2010, 11:48 AM

:D You have way too much free time Summerkat !

Greenslade

22-12-2010, 01:28 PM

Yes, because people are familiar with the same stories.
So the nuclear war comment was an analogy, ok.
All cultures have creation myths and ancestral stories. It doesn't mean it is necessarily real. We all know the stories of the bible and Jews might believe they all have Egyptian slaves as common ancestors, but there's no evidence for Exodus. There are more examples that have increased my scepticism, some years ago I swallowed it all up as truth. But it got boring after a while :p The Sumerians might talk about people coming from the east, and who knows this was India, Iran, or some other place.

I can't remember if the Sumerians say where their people actually came from, but what else was around them at the same time? If there were people already living in the same area with the know-how of civilisation wouldn't they have built things? The Sumerians were accredited with being the first civilisation and to my way of thinking nobody else on the planet at that time should have had the necessary to build a civilisation overnight. Where did these people from the east come from and who were they? The Sumerians also have depictions of spacemen, and if you read Alternative Genesis (which has a more accurate translation of the Bible's Genesis) it implies spaceships and terraforming. That would coincide with the Sumerian accounts. Were the people from the east Atlantean?

Use your discernment, Chrysaetos. Just because someone says the moon is made of green cheese it doesn't mean you have to believe it :-)

Both South Americans and Egyptians looked at the sky. Both made temples. Both made buildings that we call pyramids, but they look quite different. If they came from the same mother civilisation there wouldn't be such a fundamental difference.

And therein lies the rub. They LOOK different. Take any major city in any country in the world and you'll see different-looking buildings. Perhaps not so many of the more modern buildings but certainly the older ones, each according to the culture they were built by. The buildings might have had the same purpose but look very different. What is common - from the Mayan to the Egyptian to Stonehenge even is that measurement. Pare away the looks and find the geometry - the Golden Mean ratio of 1.618. Take away the looks and fundamentally they are the same.

I know science and archaeology don't have all the answers, but some claims here seem impossible. Of course new discoveries are made but it's no reason to ignore established facts because we prefer a mystery.

''Far too many commonalities'' < Care to give some examples?
Archaeology said it was impossible for Tao T'ien to be inscribed on a Mayan temple, but there it was as it had been inscribed on the day the temple had been built. Science shot itself in the foot.

Far too commonalities? Any number of gods with the same role but only the names have been changed. Oannes is a good example, he's turned up in a few very diverse cultures that supposedly had never met. Qetzlcoatl is another who's cropped up in a few different cultures. There's a huge brick of a book sitting on my shelf full of commonalities, perhaps it might be worth digging it out and quoting you a few examples or do you want to read it for yourself?

Creation myths are always going to be myths because they happened before that particular culture invented writing. However, some myths have been better preserved by the culture - unlike the Bible. Yes, they have been handed down through word of mouth but does that make them any the less true? They are subject to memory and colouring, but often if you look behind the mask of human frailties that make me wonder at least. I don't hold them as Truth but I does inspire me to think that there had to be something there in the first place. It's been said that all legend has its roots in truth.

As I remember Atlantis itself, what I do remember is plenty of white marble buildings. I've spoken to a few people about it and they all remember the park. It looked like a regular park but it was huge, with grass and flowers and the like. The main feature was a large pool that had a tunnel leading to the sea. Dolphins would come from the sea via the tunnel to be with the people in the park, the kids would sit on the low wall and the dolphins would come to be petted. My own son was very ill, and I remember carrying him to the pool and sitting him on the wall. He was incurable (another story that still makes me emotional) and being with the dolphins seemed to help him a little. They helped him, just for that little time, by lifting his spirits.

I remember so many different types of buildings, but then part of 'my job' was to travel to other areas. I remember being in cities and small villages - like outposts. Someone mentioned Becker-Hagens in an earlier post. If you Google for Becker-Hagens you'll find a grid system across the earth of sites such as the pyramids, Stonehenge, the Chinese pyramids, Easter Island and many more. They're all laid out in a grid around the earth - essentially ley-lines. The grid moves slightly, much like magnetic north moves and it was my job to keep the crystals in line to tap into that energy.

Clothing also depended on the location. In the main centre it was Greek-style togas because of the climate but I also remember wearing thicker clothing and furs. In the temples it was mainly long, simple robes. Sometimes they wore amulets and the like around their necks, particularly the healers. I also remember women dressed in the same manner as the Hindu goddess Kali. Just as an aside (as long as I remember lol) I spoke to a Hindu on one of these threads that suggested their scriptures had similar origins to the Sumerians, she believed it was entirely possible that there was Atlantean influence there.

I remember what looked like a primaeval forest. The forest was dangerous in places and there were animals that you didn't wan to meet face-to-face. It had a very prehistoric feel to it, and if I remember the forest was taboo.

As for the people, just like the people you would meet in your regular shopping mall. All humanoid in appearance - tall/short, fair/dark-haired. Nothing like Star Trek at all. However, some could see something else inside the humanoid forms. The forms were vehicles for people to interact, the purpose (one of them anyway) of Atlantis was to integrate Souls from many dimensions into the third. Most of those Souls used bodies to 'get around', although there were some that had a more spectral appearance as they had not taken fully 3rd-dimensional form.

Actually Summerkat, I believe there are strong connections with Scotland and Atlantis. Yeah, maybe believing in Atlantis and living in the a*s-end of Scotland may be a factor :-) During my 'Atlantean days' I lived in near the west coast of Scotland, it was all to do with what is known today as the Becker-Hagens grid and how the Atlanteans used it. I have quite a long story on how what happened a few years ago reflected on 'those days', but that is a tale for another day.

For exponents of Becker-Hagens (yeah I know, a little off-beat) the main Eurpopean grid line hits Scotland at a place called Scourie (not Loch More, it's shifted slightly) and comes out in the south of France. Strangely enough, in the south of France is a church built by the freemasons - who knew all about the grids.

Time

22-12-2010, 01:39 PM

I jsut read the first few posts, so if i go over anything thats been said I appoligize.

As far as ive seen, the only "hard" evidence we have, is platos writings on the subject, which state pretty much everything we know about atlantis and lumeria. Other then that, we have channelings, which some would concider hard evidence. There is an abundance of circu,mstantial evidence, that I think is too obvious to ignore.

The general accepted age for when atlantis, was abotu 12000-10000 years ago. This was a greattime or climatic upehavel. The world was getting pout of the grips of the last heinrick event ( glaciation periods). We have to realize that sea level was about 400-500 feel lower then it is today. This alone would change the way the world looks, and exposing lad masses that are under hundreds of feet of water now. There was an event around 12 000 years ago, that changed the face of europe, and many other coastlines around the world.

In hudsons bay, there was a mile hiigh wall of ice... the last remnant of the retreating glaciers. It was holding back fresh melt water that streatched from manitoba, to northern quebec, and as south as present day lake supirior. Water melted underneeth the glacier, rupturing it, and started to dump trillons of tons of water into the arctic ocean every minute. This caused the creation of the black sea as we know it ( which forced out the peoples around there, which are thought to be the pregenitor of the eeuropean peoples), separated the UK from Europe, and aslo raised sea levels by 100 feet world wide.

Even before this, about 15 000 years or more, there is an astounding amount of evidence that europen peoples crossed the atlantic, and settled from modern day maritime canada, down south to virginia. They have found stone tools, and european art all down the east coast of canada and the states. So how could they get accross the ocean?? Either by crossing the frozen ocean ( remember sea level was much lower then) north, via iceland, or, there was another body of land in the middle of the ocean.... mabey atlantis??

There is also evidence, of soem egyptian mummies dated to 3000 bc, that have traces of COCAINE, which is a strictly south american plant. So how did the egyptians get a south american plant in their system?? There are 2 solutions: One, they had cross atlantic travel, or they had trade with a peoples that were between africa and south america...........

The oddest, and most impritiant evidence i thikn, is in our ancient cultures. The indiginous central and south americans, asians, and peoples of the fertile crecent, and egypt, all sprouted up around the same time, full blown, with arcitecture, writting, and art. Now what is the central point between ALL of these cultures? The atlantic ( asian was much easier to reach by boat throughthe medditerannian). I would personaly say that if atlantis exsisted, the people who had escaped, spread out, and started new cultures.

The other evidence that I can think of, is the story of the great flood, which is prevelent in MANY cultures. The flood has been dated to the same time as the destruction of atlantis, and as well as the releasing of the frsh water from hudsons bay. I fully belive the flood happened. But back in the day, their concept of the world was much much smaller. I fyouwere in the black sea reagion, and you seen water pouring into your land, and everything youve ever known, and most of the pepole you know are gone.... back then i would remember that, and "gods" wrath. That flood also wipped out hte persian gulf, which was a massive fertile area, where the tigris and euphradies rivers and others drained, givin the peoples there all the food and water they needed ( the climate was much colder and dryer in europe due to the ice age). As well, couldnt this flood be the true story of atlantis?

star-child

22-12-2010, 02:39 PM

I just wanted to say I have really enjoyed reading this thread, I find Atlantis very interesting. Today I came across a guy on YouTube who has had a past life in Atlantis. Here is just one of his videos in a series he made called The Awakening, so far I have watched 10 in the series, they are definitely worth the time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCalHtiloms

Summerkat

22-12-2010, 03:04 PM

:D You have way too much free time Summerkat !

I knooooooooooooooooooow :D :D :D Fun though! :D

grazier

22-12-2010, 03:41 PM

[quote=Greenslade]

As I remember Atlantis itself, what I do remember is plenty of white marble buildings. I've spoken to a few people about it and they all remember the park. It looked like a regular park but it was huge, with grass and flowers and the like. The main feature was a large pool that had a tunnel leading to the sea. Dolphins would come from the sea via the tunnel to be with the people in the park, the kids would sit on the low wall and the dolphins would come to be petted. My own son was very ill, and I remember carrying him to the pool and sitting him on the wall. He was incurable (another story that still makes me emotional) and being with the dolphins seemed to help him a little. They helped him, just for that little time, by lifting his spirits.

Hi Greenslade,

I have just had the cold shivers all over. What you have said about this pool is exactly what I remember too. I have been going to put this memory on my scrapbook but I haven't been able to do it yet.

In 1990 I had my first recollection vision of Atlantis. I remembered in meditation sitting by a very large pool. The area surrounding the pool, which was in the centre of a very large city but it seemed to be very open and spacious, was made of white marble. There were grassy banks leading down to the marble-paved area. The pool was very large and there was a very low parapet surrounding the pool, made of square white marble tiles. There were also flowerbeds dotted about the marble area, with brightly coloured flowers and with different coloured crystals scattered amongst the flowers. These beds also had low parapets around them, formed like seats.

I was sitting at the edge of the pool and I was talking to the dolphins and petting them. I was a young girl, about 12 or thirteen and was wearing a long white grecian type of dress, with a light blue sash around my waist. I somehow felt that this sash denoted my status in the Temple of healing. I also had a white peony type of flower in my long black hair.

I then found myself at the seashore, it was a very large bay, with a coral reef separating it from the sea. The reef had a large gap in it. The sand was pale golden and the sea was very blue, like the Mediterranean. I was wearing a short white tunic and I entered the sea, calling the dolphins with a high pitched intermittent whistle. Three dolphins came and I swam and played with them. One of them seemed to be 'mine' and I mounted it and it carried me out into the ocean and back. It took me somewhere but I couldn't remember where.

Blessings

grazier :hug3:

Chrysaetos

22-12-2010, 07:14 PM

I can't remember if the Sumerians say where their people actually came from, but what else was around them at the same time? If there were people already living in the same area with the know-how of civilisation wouldn't they have built things? The Sumerians were accredited with being the first civilisation and to my way of thinking nobody else on the planet at that time should have had the necessary to build a civilisation overnight. Where did these people from the east come from and who were they? The Sumerians also have depictions of spacemen, and if you read Alternative Genesis (which has a more accurate translation of the Bible's Genesis) it implies spaceships and terraforming. That would coincide with the Sumerian accounts. Were the people from the east Atlantean? Hi Greenslade,

Those are all entertaining thoughts, but since there's no evidence involved it is still guess work and speculation. Some civilisation had to build the first building, I just don't see all the hassle about it.And therein lies the rub. They LOOK different. Take any major city in any country in the world and you'll see different-looking buildings. The looks are not the only difference, they were used for different purposes as well. The pyramids of Gizeh were meant for the Pharaohs and a storage. The Mayan pyramids had various purposes, one being the infamous human sacrifices to a blood god. Perhaps not so many of the more modern buildings but certainly the older ones, each according to the culture they were built by. And yet the Atlantis-believers propose they came from the same culture..?Far too commonalities? Any number of gods with the same role but only the names have been changed. Oannes is a good example, he's turned up in a few very diverse cultures that supposedly had never met. Qetzlcoatl is another who's cropped up in a few different cultures. There's a huge brick of a book sitting on my shelf full of commonalities, perhaps it might be worth digging it out and quoting you a few examples or do you want to read it for yourself? Isn't it obvious you will find similarities between deities? They all had agriculture which inevitably means they had a deity for agriculture. All had to deal with poisonous snakes that killed their cattle and children, and they all found ways to ''please'' the snake by worshipping it. These civilisations were all fascinated by the sky, the sun and the moon. They all created their own myths surrounding it, obviously we will find similarities. You will find various similarities because different cultures had to deal with similar problems and natural phenomena. It does not at all indicate they came from a common mother civilisation.Yes, they have been handed down through word of mouth but does that make them any the less true? Absolutely.
Those who passed along the traditions and those who wrote them down were not necessarily interested in providing you with brute facts of history.
Oral culture passes along many people and they all add their individual perspectives to it, making it one big soup that is interesting but often has little objective value.

Thanks for sharing your story Greenslade. I can't really comment on your story, but it's interesting nonetheless.

Zagacat

23-12-2010, 05:50 AM

Wow. I haven't read all of the back posts but I just read this ?last one by you, chryaetos. I have to laugh that the egyptians would have made one of the greatest wonders of the world for storage. Lol. We r tallking a wonder that madern man can not dupl,icate with the same precision using the means that they had abalible to them back then.
What atlantean believers say that all atlantians came from the same culture? That is a new one to this believer. I will go back and read the current polsts and cacth up now. I just had to snicker at your remarks when compared the the physical "hard evidence". There is not any hard evidence that shows the pyramids were ever used folr simply for storage..however, it seems there is evidence that it may have been used as a power source....heiroglyphics....that is, unless those tesla coils represent something else?

Sorry for the mistakes! Typing on my phone.

grazier

23-12-2010, 02:57 PM

Greenslade

25-12-2010, 01:26 PM

So what would you call that then Grazier? Is there some kind of group psychosis going on or is it a real memory? I know which one I'd go for, maybe Chrysaetos could use that kind of experience to get converted :-) It's good how this particular story should resonate with you, it seems to be a popular one.

Hi Greenslade,
The Mayan pyramids had various purposes, one being the infamous human sacrifices to a blood god. And yet the Atlantis-believers propose they came from the same culture..? Isn't it obvious you will find similarities between deities? They all had agriculture which inevitably means they had a deity for agriculture. All had to deal with poisonous snakes that killed their cattle and children, and they all found ways to ''please'' the snake by worshipping it. These civilisations were all fascinated by the sky, the sun and the moon. They all created their own myths surrounding it, obviously we will find similarities. You will find various similarities because different cultures had to deal with similar problems and natural phenomena. It does not at all indicate they came from a common mother civilisation.Absolutely.

Perhaps dark matter is the Atlantis of science. Some (maybe most) scientists agree that there's something in it after all and are racking their brains to prove it exists, even though nobody has anywhere near nailed it down yet. The similarities are too close to be mere coincidence, and it's not until you go into details that you see them. Yes, perhaps many cultures had similar gods and the like but their gods are too similar for just coincidence. Again, take Oannes as the example. He shows up in so many cultures and the only difference is in name only while the Greeks had Posiedon - a seagod still but so very different. Wouldn't the cultures' gods be different enough? Same with the buildings, it's about the geometry of the building here and that general Golden Mean across so many very different ones. Obviously each building was different on the face of it, but how did the Golden Mean become common across so much of the geometry? How do you explain native American Indians having the knowledge that Sirius was a binary system long before telescopes were invented?

As for the pyramids being a store-house, sorry but that doesn't figure for me. I have doubts as to whether archaeology even realises their true purpose. Take the great pyramid of Cheops for example. The Egyptians went into the quarry, carved 25 million tons of rock to an amazing degree of accuracy with copper chisels that were only good for 100 hits, hauled it across the desert on log rollers and up a ramp to build the pyramids to store things in? If they did store anything in them, why did they build it so that light from Sirius shone down a shaft? There's so much speculation on how they were built. Some say they could do it, others say that it couldn't be done even with today's machinery, others say that if they did do it they way it was supposed to be done it would have taken every man, woman and child on the planet. If you look at some of the glyphs and get past the cultural influence, you'll see so much advanced science - like Zagacat's Tesla coils for instance. Strange thing is, as far as I'm aware there's been no discovery about how or why the pyramids had been built so other than them being there everything else is speculation.

So, Adam and Eve kept a diary, did they? As did so many people in the Old Testament (and beyond) of the Bible? Oral tradition can be as objective as you want it to be. Bear in mind that way back when before there was any writing, the traditions and myths had to be committed to memory and in such a way as it would make sense to the people either carrying it on on hearing it. It's no wonder that the myths and legends are coloured, but again if you care to look closely enough you can see past much of the smokescreen.

I've just been watching Star-Child's link. What makes me wonder is how much of this kind of stuff can people make up under hypnosis? Perhaps in a normal state of mind it would be too easy to have fantasies about memories of Atlantis.

Chrysaetos

25-12-2010, 01:37 PM

The similarities are too close to be mere coincidence, and it's not until you go into details that you see them. Of course there are similarities. People had to deal with similar problems and circumstances.

Bugs have wings, bats have wings. Does that mean they are directly related?

Convergent evolution can be applied to cultural evolution as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergent_evolution (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwik i%2FConvergent_evolution)How do you explain native American Indians having the knowledge that Sirius was a binary system long before telescopes were invented? How do you know they knew Sirius before telescopes were invented? Where is the evidence for this?
As for the pyramids being a store-house, sorry but that doesn't figure for me. One of various purposes. ;)
There are more pyramids in Egypt and they are not all that amazing. The ones in Gizeh look more complete and perfect, but I see no reason to believe humans needed aliens, angels, or gods to do it. Humans are clever enough. We have gained a lot of technological advancement in only a few centuries. Where were the aliens and angels?So, Adam and Eve kept a diary, did they? As did so many people in the Old Testament (and beyond) of the Bible? Oral tradition can be as objective as you want it to be. Bear in mind that way back when before there was any writing, the traditions and myths had to be committed to memory and in such a way as it would make sense to the people either carrying it on on hearing it. It's no wonder that the myths and legends are coloured, but again if you care to look closely enough you can see past much of the smokescreen.Yeah, and memory too can't be fully trusted. Everyone had different ideas, beliefs, and experiences. Everyone added their own life experiences, ideas, and beliefs to the myths. It's what people do. It is interesting, but it has little objective value.

Greenslade

26-12-2010, 09:59 AM

Of course there are similarities. People had to deal with similar problems and circumstances.
Bugs have wings, bats have wings. Does that mean they are directly related?

They all came from the same pool of sludge, the one that we came from. But then, we're talking about people not bugs nor bats. So both the Sumerians and the Hindus (according to what I've been told) solved their lack of civilisation by importing a strange people who could help them set it all up? Those are just two entirely separate cultures to name but two. But then, if you don't want to believe anything it's too easy to discredit it.

How do you know they knew Sirius before telescopes were invented? Where is the evidence for this?

http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/barada/267/Siriusly/ancient-Nazca.html is one. Perhaps if you Googled Sirius and Nazca you'll find more. I got about 22,400 results just for that one. The Egyptians - http://www.mayawhite.com/articles/innertapestry25.html The Dogons - http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/dogon.htm knew about it too.

As far as I'm aware there's no evidence around what the pyramids were used for nor how they were built, so anything you believe or have read about the pyramids might be just as much speculation as Atlantis. Perhaps while we're patting ourselves on the back at our technological prowess we can also marvel at how little we know of our history and where we came from. While we can pat Pythagoras on the back for his triangles, we'd better remember that the Druids used them to build Stonehenge.

So Chrysaetos, you carry on being sceptical about Atlantis. It's cool, it's what you choose not to believe in. I'll carry on believing it because I have all the evidence I need and nobody is going to shake that.

Summerland

26-12-2010, 10:43 AM

Greenslade

26-12-2010, 01:19 PM

I've tried this already, greenslade; didn't work:rolleyes:

Where's the shotgun icon? lol

So if you're not happy with subjective and things need proof, Chrysaetos, why are you in this forum? Religion and Spirituality have no proof, religion is based on faith. Surely what you're saying goes against your beliefs - the very nature of belief itself?

Summerland

26-12-2010, 02:33 PM

Where's the shotgun icon? lol

So if you're not happy with subjective and things need proof, Chrysaetos, why are you in this forum? Religion and Spirituality have no proof, religion is based on faith. Surely what you're saying goes against your beliefs - the very nature of belief itself?

Yeh, there are a few icons that I would love to see, greenslade, but for now this :boxing: and :BangHead: this will have to suffice.
Are you all snowed in where you live ?

Summerland

26-12-2010, 02:57 PM

Come to think of it, I would bet that there is not one single thing on this forum that could be proven:icon_jokercolor: . To quote some line out of a movie, " You'll just have to take it on faith." :angel12:

grazier

26-12-2010, 03:43 PM

Chrysaetos

27-12-2010, 12:19 AM

They all came from the same pool of sludge, the one that we came from. But then, we're talking about people not bugs nor bats. So both the Sumerians and the Hindus (according to what I've been told) solved their lack of civilisation by importing a strange people who could help them set it all up? Those are just two entirely separate cultures to name but two. But then, if you don't want to believe anything it's too easy to discredit it.Ultimately, they did came from the same source, but they developed wings separately. The same could be said about human civilisations and their similarities. I am thinking about the so called similarities between the Americas and the other continents here. Ancient Sumer and India however are not that far apart, so they might have influenced each other and they might have shared common beliefs.
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The difference between pyramids and Atlantis lies in the fact that we know that the pyramids exist. There is proof for that.So if you're not happy with subjective and things need proof, Chrysaetos, why are you in this forum? Religion and Spirituality have no proof, religion is based on faith. Surely what you're saying goes against your beliefs - the very nature of belief itself?Atlantis is said to have been a physical place on earth so I don't think it is inappropriate to look for proof, nor can it be inappropriate to examine the beliefs and hypotheses with a critical mind set.

Gem

27-12-2010, 05:15 AM

Summerland

27-12-2010, 06:28 AM

If indeed this mulitude lived in atlantis they could give the same details of the layout of that city, but they do not.

I just think there were ancient civilizations and because Plato is such a famous figure his account of 'atlantis' became all the rage.

Why do the atlanteans present not describe the layout of the city? Plato did.

Could you draw or describe a country that you live in , other than generalaties? Atlantis was a continent, not a city. And it existed for quite some time, which means that it would be constanly changin, new places built, old destroyed. Now add on the distant memory coming from 10,000 years ago. Even if someone could provide evidence, there will always be those who would still deny it.
10 years ago science insisted that homosapiens could never have intermingled with Neanderthals. Then they decided that, yes, they could mate, but never have offspring. They discovered that they were wrong once more and found out that homosapiens not only interbred with Neanderthals, but did indeed have fertile offspring. Now they have discovered another component of the human species that they had no clue that it existed. However there are still die hard fundamentalists out there still staunchly saying that homosapiens could never have intermingled with Neanderthals.
And so it will be for Atlantis. Even when proof is discovered, that proof will be attribited to a different society,alien technology, or gee, our ancestors were smarter than we thought.
I don't try to shoot down anyone elses beliefs. So why is it so important that our belief in Atlantis must be only a figment of our imagination or a group psychosis. I don't tell anyone that there belief in God is nothing but mass group psychosis since ther is no tangible proof, other than hearsay.

Gem

27-12-2010, 06:48 AM

Could you draw or describe a country that you live in , other than generalaties? Atlantis was a continent, not a city. And it existed for quite some time, which means that it would be constanly changin, new places built, old destroyed. Now add on the distant memory coming from 10,000 years ago. Even if someone could provide evidence, there will always be those who would still deny it.
10 years ago science insisted that homosapiens could never have intermingled with Neanderthals. Then they decided that, yes, they could mate, but never have offspring. They discovered that they were wrong once more and found out that homosapiens not only interbred with Neanderthals, but did indeed have fertile offspring. Now they have discovered another component of the human species that they had no clue that it existed. However there are still die hard fundamentalists out there still staunchly saying that homosapiens could never have intermingled with Neanderthals.
And so it will be for Atlantis. Even when proof is discovered, that proof will be attribited to a different society,alien technology, or gee, our ancestors were smarter than we thought.
I don't try to shoot down anyone elses beliefs. So why is it so important that our belief in Atlantis must be only a figment of our imagination or a group psychosis. I don't tell anyone that there belief in God is nothing but mass group psychosis since ther is no tangible proof, other than hearsay.

There might be an atlantis for all I would know, but everyone has their own ideas about it, so as people believe all nature of crazy things, strories of Atlantis stem from Plato's coinage of that word. It was not mentioned prior to Plato and many men have searched for such a prior reference.

Gem

27-12-2010, 07:10 AM

Could you draw or describe a country that you live in , other than generalaties? Atlantis was a continent, not a city. And it existed for quite some time, which means that it would be constanly changin, new places built, old destroyed. Now add on the distant memory coming from 10,000 years ago. Even if someone could provide evidence, there will always be those who would still deny it.
10 years ago science insisted that homosapiens could never have intermingled with Neanderthals. Then they decided that, yes, they could mate, but never have offspring. They discovered that they were wrong once more and found out that homosapiens not only interbred with Neanderthals, but did indeed have fertile offspring. Now they have discovered another component of the human species that they had no clue that it existed. However there are still die hard fundamentalists out there still staunchly saying that homosapiens could never have intermingled with Neanderthals.
And so it will be for Atlantis. Even when proof is discovered, that proof will be attribited to a different society,alien technology, or gee, our ancestors were smarter than we thought.
I don't try to shoot down anyone elses beliefs. So why is it so important that our belief in Atlantis must be only a figment of our imagination or a group psychosis. I don't tell anyone that there belief in God is nothing but mass group psychosis since ther is no tangible proof, other than hearsay.

Don't the rather civilized and advanced Atlantians even have a map of thier own country, like a map of Australia, which I can recall and redraw.

Summerland

27-12-2010, 08:42 AM

Don't the rather civilized and advanced Atlantians even have a map of thier own country, like a map of Australia, which I can recall and redraw.

Let's see, grazier, did you have that map last or was it Greenslades turn to take care of it? Oh.. it was my turn to have the map?? But I had that house fire 21 years ago! Do you think maybe it got lost or burned to a cinder? Hmmm...let me look again for that 10,000 year old map,it has to be here somewhere~~~~:confused:

I am sorry gem, but I don't have a photo or map of Summerland or Atlantis, but I have been there and no one will ever be able to convince me otherwise. I remember Atlantis. I remember a lot of different lives and places that I have lived. And I can't provide maps or photos. Some have been wiped off the face of the earth or changed by glaciation or earthquakes, even rising water levels.
Anyone who is not inclined to bellieve that such a country ever existed, that is all well and good. I won't ask anyone why they don't believe. I won't ask you to prove that it does not exist. And I never try to force anyone to believe in my own beliefs. I state why I believe a thing, I will discuss it if they have similar beliefs, but I will not force my views on someone with different views. And I won't to go to any lengths to try to convince them. If you don't believe, then don't. If you are curious, do research. I am trying to not be rude, but getting tired of being grilled about this.:icon_frown:

Chrysaetos

27-12-2010, 09:33 AM

And it existed for quite some time, which means that it would be constanly changin, new places built, old destroyed. What is quite some time?Now add on the distant memory coming from 10,000 years ago. Even if someone could provide evidence, there will always be those who would still deny it.LOL well first things first, let's get the evidence. :wink:10 years ago science insisted that homosapiens could never have intermingled with Neanderthals. Then they decided that, yes, they could mate, but never have offspring. They discovered that they were wrong once more and found out that homosapiens not only interbred with Neanderthals, but did indeed have fertile offspring. Now they have discovered another component of the human species that they had no clue that it existed. However there are still die hard fundamentalists out there still staunchly saying that homosapiens could never have intermingled with Neanderthals.The difference is that we know Neanderthal existed, there is evidence for that. I don't doubt that the unknown species of human that has been found will be used to fit the gaps of mystical New Age beliefs. The same thing happens with quantum mechanics, energy, and black holes. They embrace certain elements, recombine others, and in this process change the use of it in such a way that validates the beliefs.

Summerland

27-12-2010, 10:16 AM

CHRYSAETOS, I never implied that the New Age belief system would benefit in any way, shape or form from the new evidence regarding Neanderthals. I was using that as an analogy as to how quickly facts can change.
Again, you and a couple of other posters are needing the evidence that Atlantis existed; I don't.. Some of you have the need to have concrete
proof. Not in my job description to supply it.
For want of a better title' the Atlantean kin- folk' have the proof that we need. It is our gain and your loss. And I will ask the same question that greenslade asked of you, but you didn't answer. Why is it that you are on a spiritual forum when it seems as if your purpose is to challenge most of the beliefs that are brought up?
You have said that your spiritual journey led you in a circle of sorts back to questioning everything and not believing in 'new-agey' stuff and that you feel that you should bring the realization of all the mumbo jumbo to the ones who are on their journey. So why are you here?
In turn, we could demand answers from you to prove to us that Atlantis did not exist and we could refute you on every turn of the way. And it could go on and on into infinity. So again I am saying, Let us agree to disagree.

Chrysaetos

27-12-2010, 11:12 AM

I never implied that the New Age belief system would benefit in any way, shape or form from the new evidence regarding Neanderthals. I was using that as an analogy as to how quickly facts can change.Knowledge does change, but there are some established facts. Continents do not disappear to the depths of the ocean without any evidence left behind. Again, you and a couple of other posters are needing the evidence that Atlantis existed; I don't.. Some of you have the need to have concrete proof. Not in my job description to supply it.Ok, we disagree on this point.For want of a better title' the Atlantean kin- folk' have the proof that we need. It is our gain and your loss. Why do you make this personal? I am interested in mythology and I like to examine the hypotheses made about it. I am not only interested in geological evidence, but I am interested in the language, environment, climate, wildlife, religion, customs, and more about the place as well. Although there is no evidence for all of these things, it does give me a picture about it.
And I will ask the same question that greenslade asked of you, but you didn't answer. Why is it that you are on a spiritual forum when it seems as if your purpose is to challenge most of the beliefs that are brought up?
You have said that your spiritual journey led you in a circle of sorts back to questioning everything and not believing in 'new-agey' stuff and that you feel that you should bring the realization of all the mumbo jumbo to the ones who are on their journey. So why are you here?
In turn, we could demand answers from you to prove to us that Atlantis did not exist and we could refute you on every turn of the way. And it could go on and on into infinity. So again I am saying, Let us agree to disagree.There is nothing wrong with challenging beliefs. I am sceptical and interested in truth, cheerleading is not my cup of tea.
The New Age does contain a lot of mumbo jumbo, there are countless books and internet sites that are full of fantasies. It does worry me that it's so widely spread in our age and I see many people swallow it up while dropping critical thinking and reason.

The burden of proof lies with the believers. Even so, I have given various reasons why it is illogical to believe Atlantis existed.
It is very likely however that Santorini was the inspiration for the story of Atlantis. I have read Plato's work and I know Socrates' concern about a perfect state.

Summerland

27-12-2010, 12:38 PM

If I could give you concrete answers, I would. But what I have read about Atlantis from various sources either ring true or false. Since my first detailed memory was when I was about seven and the story that I wrote about it, is now gone /destroyed I no longer have the finely detailed memories. I remember bits and snatches, snapshots of that time. Especially the emotional period of time prior to my death. I died when I was in training to be a priestess in one of the healing temples . I had been brought to the temple when I was about 12, chosen by the priests and priestesses. There I stayed except for brief outings. I remember brightly colored sails on the ships crowding the harbors. Atlantis was the name of the country and the capitol city. A lot of the important buildings were made out of a pink mable-like stone or white marble, sometimes with streaks of gold or silver threading thru-out. In the parks I remember large birds like our peacocks except theyy were pure white with turquoise markings. Ther were multitudes of temple caves all over the country (which was about the size of Australia) and on the surrounding smaller islands. Most everyone wore some type of tunics and they were of different lengths. The adult women wore their hair up in coils. The younger females left their hair down.
But as wonderful as this all sounds, it will certainly not be enought proof for you. Imagine buildings that resemble the Acropolis, except new and glowing. Now imagine those pillars and temples crashing down from earthquakes and a volcano spewing lava in the distance, hear people screaming as the debris crush limbs, but do not kill always. Imagine wishing that you had been one of the citizens who decided to leave and strike off for far shores.
And that is all that you will get from me. You weren't there; if you did you would not have forgotten the great beauty and the great devastation happening in waves over a period of life times. And this means nothing to you,because you weren't there and you can't imagine beauty and horror of that kind unless you have experienced it. You look at it academically while we do not; we look at it thru the eyes of people who saw their families , homes and land destroyed. Not just one generation did we reincarnate there for; we chose to reincarnate many times with the same loved ones.

Chrysaetos

27-12-2010, 12:55 PM

In the parks I remember large birds like our peacocks except theyy were pure white with turquoise markings. Peacocks are from Asia. If they would exist on Atlantis (presuming it was in the Atlantic Ocean) we would find traces of subspecies on the surrounding continents today.
But these are actually the kind of examples that can help us in our quest. Ther were multitudes of temple caves all over the country (which was about the size of Australia) and on the surrounding smaller islands. If Atlantis was really about the size of Australia, then there would be tremendous evidence all over the place today. A continent of that magnitude cannot just be taken by the sea. Remember that the oceans are very deep, so if there was such a huge continent only 10000 years ago, the evidence would be overwhelming and everywhere. Even if it didn't disappeared in one night, then still there should be overwhelming evidence for such a young continent.But as wonderful as this all sounds, it will certainly not be enought proof for you.It does sound nice, but I am searching for proof.And this means nothing to you,because you weren't there and you can't imagine beauty and horror of that kind unless you have experienced it. Maybe so, I can't tell.
However, personal experiences don't come in a vacuum. ;)

Sira

27-12-2010, 01:11 PM

My five pennies worth: Atlantis does not have to be in this dimension any more, neither does Lemuria. Neither do we need to find proof from Mars of any civilization ever living there, yet there's life right now, in other dimensions. As there is life in the Sun, Venus, everywhere. The proof? I would suggest meditation until we reach an awareness/level of consciousness where we are able to visit those dimensions and find the proof for ourselves. We don't really need to convince anyone else.

Chrysaetos

27-12-2010, 01:19 PM

The proof? I would suggest meditation until we reach an awareness/level of consciousness where we are able to visit those dimensions and find the proof for ourselves. We don't really need to convince anyone else.Our inner experiences are influenced by outer stimuli. A Christian will experience a Jesus while meditating and a Hindu might see a Krishna. The culture, beliefs, and ideologies provide us with the raw material out of which we fashion our experiences. Having a personal experience does not mean we are presented with the facts.

Just because I dreamed about spaghetti monsters and purple bears, does not mean they actually exist..

Sira

27-12-2010, 01:33 PM

Chrysaetos

27-12-2010, 01:36 PM

Chrysaetos, believe me. You are able to detach yourself from all belief structures that you have ever held. It requires (normally) a lot of inner work. Then you will see your truths, naked and bare.
When you say that "our inner experiences are influenced by outer stimuli" you are telling me in essence that you are imprisoned by that belief. I am not.
The fact that you say ''your truths'' is revealing.
Our inner experiences are influenced by outer stimuli, obviously. It is not a belief. It's no coincidence people's mystical experiences are shaped by their upbringing, culture, religion, ideology and more.

Sira

27-12-2010, 01:39 PM

I am not able to reach you so I stop communicating on this subject here.

Summerland

27-12-2010, 02:50 PM

I am not able to reach you so I stop communicating on this subject here.

Sounds like a wise plan. I think that I will follow your lead to the exit door.:hug3:

Sira

27-12-2010, 04:05 PM

Sounds like a wise plan. I think that I will follow your lead to the exit door.:hug3:
What feels good is that we tried! :hug2:

Chrysaetos

27-12-2010, 04:28 PM

I am not able to reach you so I stop communicating on this subject here. Sorry, but maybe try to be a little bit more clear?
If outer stimuli do not influence our inner experiences, how can inner experiences influence outer stimuli? It doesn't go in one way. Though if one believes in a very strict form of dualism, it might appear that way, but life shows us it works both ways. But it does not change the fact that outer stimuli like culture, religion, books, ideologies shape our ''inner'' experiences.

Sira

27-12-2010, 04:56 PM

Chrysaetos-Love, I will let my subconscious work on this on the background because I feel that you authentically want to communicate and construct together. I want to find some new perspectives to continue our dialogue.
*LOVE*

Gem

28-12-2010, 02:43 AM

Let's see, grazier, did you have that map last or was it Greenslades turn to take care of it? Oh.. it was my turn to have the map?? But I had that house fire 21 years ago! Do you think maybe it got lost or burned to a cinder? Hmmm...let me look again for that 10,000 year old map,it has to be here somewhere~~~~:confused:

I don't have to go find a map of australia, I can recall it and draw it myself, I'd include where cities are, mountainranges and other geological features.

I am sorry gem, but I don't have a photo or map of Summerland or Atlantis, but I have been there and no one will ever be able to convince me otherwise. I remember Atlantis. I remember a lot of different lives and places that I have lived. And I can't provide maps or photos. Some have been wiped off the face of the earth or changed by glaciation or earthquakes, even rising water levels.
Anyone who is not inclined to bellieve that such a country ever existed, that is all well and good. I won't ask anyone why they don't believe. I won't ask you to prove that it does not exist. And I never try to force anyone to believe in my own beliefs. I state why I believe a thing, I will discuss it if they have similar beliefs, but I will not force my views on someone with different views. And I won't to go to any lengths to try to convince them. If you don't believe, then don't. If you are curious, do research. I am trying to not be rude, but getting tired of being grilled about this.:icon_frown:

I'm only saying if you recall living there you'd be able to draw a map, and others would draw very similar maps, but people do not draw maps that concur.

I know there were civilizations deep in history and people of course lived there, but Plato coined the term 'atlantis' for which there is no physical evidence, but there is physical evidence of old civilizations, and if re incarnation is the way of things then I guess some alive today were incarnate then too, and of course no-one needs to prove anything they believe... they need not provide even a single iota of evidence, and it seems in this case, none at all can be provided.

grazier

29-12-2010, 03:16 PM

On Christmas Eve I was having a difference of opinion with my hubby over the location of the Island of Cyprus. I have a great affinity with that area of the world due to present and past lives there, so I do have a good idea of that particular area - even though I am useless at Geography. He couldn't see that it was anywhere near Africa let alone Egypt. Therefore I got out the faithful old Atlas, 'old' being the operative word.

I proved my point.

While I had the Atlas out I decided to satisfy my curiosity over the location of Atlantis - yet again the Bermuda Triangle was in dispute. Our Atlas has a supplement in the back with sections of the globe, giving various information about them. I found the section containing the Atlantic Ocean and surrounding areas, giving the topographical map of undersea mountain ranges and other topographical features. I looked up the location of Bimini and it showed that it was in the North Atlantic, where I thought that Atlantis was located.

I looked up Santorini/Thera, and found it, clearing in my mind its location.

I am convinced that Atlantis is located in the North Atlantic, by the Pillars of Hercules, and I agree with Charles Berlitz, Hapgood and the Piri Reis map that the Azores are the tips of the mountains of Atlantis.

According to my Atlas, in that area there is a large undersea mountain range. There is also a rift in the earth's crust that is connected to the African Rift Valley. There are at least forty dormant volcanoes around the Ascension Islands, which are located at the northern area of the South Atlantic. There is also a large undersea canyon in the northern area of the North Atlantic.

The Bermuda triangle is located over my idea of the location of Atlantis - bearing out my theory (gained by logical reasoning, recalled memories and channelled information that I have received from the Messenger) that it is the powerful crystal powerhouse that caused the disturbance of instruments of planes and boats in that area and caused by the surges in the magnetic field. The Powerhouse was also a Universal Portal, which would explain disappearences and experiences in that area. I feel it is all tied in with extra solar energy in the area at times when the Sun's orbit draws it closer to the Earth in that particular area.

Santorini/Thera isn't really in that area as it is in the basin of the Mediterranean and it is far too small an island to be Atlantis. Atlantis was a large continent. Although the earthquakes and volcanoes of Santorini/Thera probaly contributed to, if not caused the disaster of Atlantis.

To my mind it all fits in, as does the land mass joining North America to Scotland.

Blessings

grazier :hug3:

Summerland

29-12-2010, 03:34 PM

grazier

29-12-2010, 03:46 PM

grazier, we are in perfect agreement on what you have posted.That is where I have always known it to be. So when a TV special comes on saying this place or that is Atlantis, I watch, but only to see what new city has been uncovered, knowing that unless it was where you said, it is not the TRUE Atlantis. We know less about the ocean than the moon and new discoveries are always being made. But I almost hope that the main crystal is never found. It needs to stay under the ocean.

I am completely in agreement.

We don't have a TV and I don't trust information that is on the net as a lot of it is incorrect and that goes for Wikipedia. I have found many discrepancies on that site. This is probably due to the fact that the information is posted on my ordinary people and some of them haven't a clue what they are talking about. I am not saying that it is all untrue, no doubt there is some very good info but I prefer to find my own information and I find that it comes to me in the most diverse ways and it is always confirmed in some way or another, even if it takes years to manifest and materialize. Just like me finding that in the Atlas. I had no idea that it was there, I have never really looked at it.

Blessings

grazier :hug3:

Chrysaetos

29-12-2010, 04:24 PM

According to my Atlas, in that area there is a large undersea mountain range. There is also a rift in the earth's crust that is connected to the African Rift Valley. There are at least forty dormant volcanoes around the Ascension Islands, which are located at the northern area of the South Atlantic. There is also a large undersea canyon in the northern area of the North Atlantic.Yes, you can find such underwater mountain ranges around the globe. Santorini/Thera isn't really in that area as it is in the basin of the Mediterranean and it is far too small an island to be Atlantis. Well at least the Mediterreanean islands had dwarf elephants. That alone already provides us with more than what the Atlantic ocean can provide. There's not much work done on Bimini, and it isn't known whether those structures are man made or natural.Atlantis was a large continent. Although the earthquakes and volcanoes of Santorini/Thera probaly contributed to, if not caused the disaster of Atlantis. More about the eruption (note: totally different time than the New Age beliefs about Atlantis): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan_eruption (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fen. wikipedia.org%252Fwiki%252FMinoan_eruption)

If Atlantis was a large continent, then we would have overwhelming evidence of its existence.

Take the North Sea, a young sea that is not very deep compared to the oceans. Bones of various animals have been found in fishing nets. We have evidence there was once land. The Atlantic ocean on the other hand is very deep, so it's impossible that a ''large continent'' was there some thousands of years ago. You have no geological evidence to back up what you are saying.

Chrysaetos

29-12-2010, 04:32 PM

We don't have a TV and I don't trust information that is on the net as a lot of it is incorrect and that goes for Wikipedia. Same goes for New Age websites preaching astrology, galactic federations, crystal skulls and what more.
Using the atlas to justify our beliefs is confirmation bias.

Greenslade

29-12-2010, 04:42 PM

Our inner experiences are influenced by outer stimuli. A Christian will experience a Jesus while meditating and a Hindu might see a Krishna. The culture, beliefs, and ideologies provide us with the raw material out of which we fashion our experiences. Having a personal experience does not mean we are presented with the facts.

Just because I dreamed about spaghetti monsters and purple bears, does not mean they actually exist..

I don't agree with this at all. There's nothing in my background that would even hint at a belief in Atlantis. I was brought up in a literal Spiritual backwater - and still is very much. And personal experience is what this Life is all about - personal experience. Nobody told me that Atlantis existed, I had never come across the name until I started off on this Spiritual Journey. But there was something inside I knew, like an itch I couldn't scratch. I had visions in my head of places and people. I had voices that came along with those visions that told me to remember them, that I would meet the people who would help me make sense of them. I also had a lot more stuff that isn't relevant to a discussion on Atlantis but was only answered a lot later on.

I believe what's happening here is that people are missing the point completely. To me, it doesn't matter where Atlantis was or when, what matters is the kinship of the people - the Anam Cara. Perhaps Atlantis is being used as a focus for that I don't know for sure, but when I have something in my head that resonates deeply with someone else, much of the argument ceases to have much meaning. It's easy to poo-poo it because there's no physical evidence, but then you can do the same with everything in Spirituality and religion. But when you tell a story and someone else resonates with it deeply, or you remember a person in a particular situation, when you can - with someone you've never met before - describe something exactly as they remember it. There has to be something there, subjective/objective or not. If you don't believe in Atlantis then that isn't a problem, your beliefs are your choice. If you choose to close your mind to it all it's your choice too but what what people have in their Hearts and heads, what they feel inside........

To me, it doesn't matter about Atlantis the place, what matters to me is Atlantis the people. What matters is the connections, the memories, the kinship I feel with people who talk about it with such certainty of memory. The Spirit of Atlantis is alive and well, still kicking. By all means detract until the cows come home but it won't stop the feelings. And feelings are more real to me than any facts.

Chrysaetos

29-12-2010, 05:02 PM

I don't agree with this at all. How come people always experience those deities they believe in? The culture we live in provides us with the raw material out of which we fashion our experiences.

I can't comment on your experiences and I don't know Atlantis existed. But you are wrong when you think I am close minded. I am looking at this issue from various points of view. For years I was entertained by the idea of a lost mystical civilisation, but so far no evidence has been shown that there was one. In contrast to some rabid believers I actually try to look at these myths historically, biologically, and geologically. I have read Plato's work. I have done my homework on geology. And I know that cultural beliefs can trigger the minds of believers and create the experiences they want. I won't say personal experiences are always untrue, I am merely sceptical about it.

And Atlantis is different from various other spiritual and religious topics. Atlantis is said to have been a physical place on earth, heck, someone even said it was the size of Australia. And then I am close minded for asking a little evidence?

Sira

29-12-2010, 05:18 PM

Well, if there was some mega-sized volcanic activity with tectonic plates moving and shifting, anything is possible. For me it was a big revelation a couple of years ago that the Saharan desert is ancient sea bottom and you can find fossil teeth of Otodus obliquus at the Moroccan mountains. =)

Chrysaetos

29-12-2010, 05:32 PM

Well, if there was some mega-sized volcanic activity with tectonic plates moving and shifting, anything is possible.If it's ''mega'' there would be overwhelming evidence for this activity.
Continents don't just vanish to the depths of the ocean. For me it was a big revelation a couple of years ago that the Saharan desert is ancient sea bottom and you can find fossil teeth of Otodus obliquus at the Moroccan mountains. =)Yes, and it took a very long time, the Tethys Ocean wasn't gone in a day.

Sira

29-12-2010, 05:36 PM

Summerland

29-12-2010, 07:29 PM

Hmmm, I think continents and seas switch places quite regularly in the big time frame. And I do not believe for one second that Atlantis existed some 10000 years ago, in my mind something like 100000 years is more accurate. But what do I know, I am a Lemurian and skipped the Atlantis experience altogether =)

Sira,how interesting...a Lemurian? I have never knowingly met a Lemurian. What do you remember of Lemuria? Off the coast of Japan in the Pacific, wasn't it? Completely not snarking you. I am interested in hearing about it. :cool:

Zagacat

29-12-2010, 07:44 PM

If it's ''mega'' there would be overwhelming evidence for this activity.
Continents don't just vanish to the depths of the ocean.Yes, and it took a very long time, the Tethys Ocean wasn't gone in a day.

Again, you will be astounded and excited to hear that indeed they have found some under water cities outside of the India, japan, in the black see and others, I will find links to some documentaries and post them here when I am on my pc. Stay tuned! (Oh and we r talking continent sized)

Chrysaetos

29-12-2010, 07:55 PM

Again, you will be astounded and excited to hear that indeed they have found some under water cities outside of the India, japan, in the black see and others, I will find links to some documentaries and post them here when I am on my pc. Stay tuned! (Oh and we r talking continent sized) I am not astounded.

India - Yes, they have found the remnants of an old place there. It is close to the coast. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_archaeology_in_the_Gulf_of_Cambay (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fen. wikipedia.org%252Fwiki%252FMarine_archaeology_in_t he_Gulf_of_Cambay)
Japan - It isn't known so far whether it's natural or man made.
Black Sea - Never heard that there were underwater cities there.

All of this has nothing to do with the subject at hand here, and they are very close to the land. Very different from continents the size of Australia vanishing to the depths of the ocean (just imagine it!) in little time, only a few thousand years ago.

Sira

29-12-2010, 08:06 PM

Sira,how interesting...a Lemurian? I have never knowingly met a Lemurian. What do you remember of Lemuria? Off the coast of Japan in the Pacific, wasn't it? Completely not snarking you. I am interested in hearing about it. :cool:
Yes, I think all my psychic abilities are from that era because it was an era to experience in a much wider, deeper and higher way than as human. I was not human, I don't think we were even a human-based race, and certainly not as dense as humans. We did not have polarity either so there was never any war, it was a higher level of experience. We had feminine and masculine aspects but I don't remember it being very sexual; sensual yes.
We communed with star nations, charting the Earth to see what kind of species would best inhabit it. We came from the stars, loving this Earth but knowing that when our work is done, we will return to the stars.
Many of us left after our work was done, many decided to stay and continue in an experience called Atlantis. I left but came back after Atlantis, to experience Earth again, this time as human.
Now my work is done again and I will return back to the stars. I love this planet, and I love humankind, the species best suited to experience her.
---
This came from another layer of me, it felt like channeling. And it felt really good! :angel5:

Summerland

29-12-2010, 08:11 PM

Sira

29-12-2010, 08:16 PM

This reminds me, I don't know how tall we actually were but taller than humans... =)
I will probably meditate on this to remember more. When my guides told me years ago that I come from Lemuria and gave me my Lemurian name, I had never heard of Lemuria before. Also my first guide ever was Amora. It was only this year that I learnt that she is of Elohim - 13 years ago there was nothing of Amora on Internet... It's like time is validating the information given to me in the past. <3

Edit: also when Elohim came into my life, I had no idea what this energy was, I just felt the immense power. The only excerpt I could find on Internet was about the beginning of Bible, nothing else. I am beginning to realize that it was made this way. I learned to follow my own guidance, my own instinct, because there was no information readily available. Also all the healing and other modalities I've learned/remembered myself. I have never taken part in anything spiritual, I always walked and learnt alone - with my guides... <3

Chrysaetos

29-12-2010, 08:20 PM

When I saw it, I had thought that it was part of Lemuria.Well that's how fast our mind can jump to conclusions based upon the beliefs we have or are familiar with.

When we find a new human species, they're obviously the giants/demons/atlanteans/lemurians spoken of in myths. And when we find some underwater structures I guess it just has to be a spiritual, highly technological, peaceful, loving, ancient civilisation.

Sira

29-12-2010, 08:36 PM

Chrysaetos

30-12-2010, 11:12 AM

Chrysaetos, I find your comments sometimes not very respectful and co-creative. We could have wonderful conversations, even debates, in good spirit. Try loosening up a bit, if possible. I may be reading more into your replies than there actually is but sincerely, it seems like you are building fences between yourself and others, instead of consciously lowering them or trying to get rid of them altogether.
You are a bright person, very inquisitive, very determined. Think. :angel5: That sounds all too vague and unsubstantiated. If you have a problem with me please be precise and use the PM function, as this gets offtopic.

What I have noticed over the years is that it's popular among religionists and New Agers to fit new discoveries into their own religious and mystical beliefs. I do have to wonder why everyone ignores Neanderthal and early hominids. Maybe they are too beastlike to match the highly intelligent, technologically advanced, crystallizing God men of an ancient civilisation?

Gem

30-12-2010, 11:53 AM

andrew g

30-12-2010, 12:44 PM

Ive been reading this from a distance. I resonate with the idea of Atlantis, not because I have memories or recollections of being there myself but more because I have talked to many who do have memories and recollections and these are often people that I think demonstrate authenticity, integrity and awareness. The recollections are described in a vivid and detailed way and I see no reason to doubt them just because the existance of Atlantis has not been ''scientifically proven'' (whatever that means). As far as Im concerned these recollections are as much scientific proof as anything that a so called scientist might think HAS been proven. In my opinion, the evidential basis that scientists often use is no more conclusive a basis than a basis that relies on recollection. I have read some of the words of those on this thread that do have recollections and I have no reason to think at all that you are lying OR that the recollection itself is a lie. For what little its worth, you have my support.

Gem

30-12-2010, 12:47 PM

andrew g

30-12-2010, 01:08 PM

My experience entirely contradicts this and the 'so called' memories are completely different, and in your conversations didn't these people disclose the location of the lost place?

Well, the people I have listened to which have recollections each have unique memories of course, but there are some consistant themes. None of them have told me where it is quite simply because in their recollections they are not thinking about where it is. They are talking about the experience itself.

Summerland

30-12-2010, 01:20 PM

Well, the people I have listened to which have recollections each have unique memories of course, but there are some consistant themes. None of them have told me where it is quite simply because in their recollections they are not thinking about where it is. They are talking about the experience itself.

Andrew, all I am going to say is this: thank you. :hug3:

Chrysaetos

30-12-2010, 01:34 PM

Mountains and volcanos under the sea do by no means indicate any civilization.
People have found civilizations that are very old and some are submerged, but it has to be admitted Plato was the first one to use the term Atlantis, derived from Atlas the greek god probably.
Perhaps you folks were from various old civilizations none of which were actually called atlantis.Yes, that is possible too. There is ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome.. what makes Atlantis and Lemuria so different from them?
The reasoning is, people do not draw maps that concur, nor do they describe similarily, nor do they agree on the location... in fact there is no consistancy at all to Atlantis stories.Yes. I once read a site that said Atlantis was in Asia. Reading it back then it looked quite plausible to me. But I moved on.

Chrysaetos

30-12-2010, 01:36 PM

As far as Im concerned these recollections are as much scientific proof as anything that a so called scientist might think HAS been proven. In my opinion, the evidential basis that scientists often use is no more conclusive a basis than a basis that relies on recollection. I have read some of the words of those on this thread that do have recollections and I have no reason to think at all that you are lying OR that the recollection itself is a lie. For what little its worth, you have my support. I don't immediately think people are lying about their experiences. I've had various weird experiences myself but I try to ignore any hasty conclusions my mind tries to make. That's what humans in general do, we use the culture and the beliefs to fashion our experiences. At least science tries to look at things objectively and empirically. I value that over anecdotal evidence and hearsay.

Sira

30-12-2010, 01:39 PM

That's what humans in general do, we use the culture and the beliefs to fashion our experiences.
That is a generalization that I don't buy. You may do it, other people may do it, but not all of us do it.

Chrysaetos

30-12-2010, 01:42 PM

That is a generalization that I don't buy. You may do it, other people may do it, but not all of us do it.Most of the time we aren't even aware of it. Look at cultures and religious experiences.
It's not really a generalization, note that I said ''in general''

Amethyst

30-12-2010, 01:49 PM

I’ve been following this thread too and thank you to everyone for sharing your amazing EXPERIENCES.

Can’t beat EXPERIENCE – something you can’t look up on Wikipedia.

Blessings, Amethyst x

andrew g

30-12-2010, 01:51 PM

I don't immediately think people are lying about their experiences. I've had various weird experiences myself but I try to ignore any hasty conclusions my mind tries to make. That's what humans in general do, we use the culture and the beliefs to fashion our experiences. At least science tries to look at things objectively and empirically. I value that over anecdotal evidence and hearsay.

Well, I think maybe your inner insight that draws conclusions on your experiences may have more credibility than a scientist that attempts to look objectively and empirically, because to 'look objectively and empirically' is a narrow filter in itself.

Chrysaetos

30-12-2010, 01:58 PM

Well, I think maybe your inner insight that draws conclusions on your experiences may have more credibility than a scientist that attempts to look objectively and empirically, because to 'look objectively and empirically' is a narrow filter in itself.But this ''inner insight'' is different for everyone, hence pointless in finding out the truth about this issue. Everyone tells different stories as Gem pointed out.
I am interested in this subject and I am not going to be sated with hearsay.

Chrysaetos

30-12-2010, 01:58 PM

Can’t beat EXPERIENCE – something you can’t look up on Wikipedia. Try ask cops or detectives...:wink:

andrew g

30-12-2010, 02:07 PM

But this ''inner insight'' is different for everyone, hence pointless in finding out the truth about this issue. Everyone tells different stories as Gem pointed out.
I am interested in this subject and I am not going to be sated with hearsay.

Yes, our inner insight is unique to each of us but there are some common themes in our insight. Im just saying that maybe your inner insight has value BECAUSE it is not bound by the same set of presuppositions that many scientists start with.

If you talked to me about a strange experience in a vivid and authentic way, and it pointed to the existance of ghosts or angels, I would be more likely to resonate with that than the opinion of a scientist who has already decided that they dont exist. The authencity and vividness is as valid a basis of evidence to me as a traditional scientific basis.

Chrysaetos

30-12-2010, 02:15 PM

If you talked to me about a strange experience in a vivid and authentic way, and it pointed to the existance of ghosts or angels, I would be more likely to resonate with that than the opinion of a scientist who has already decided that they dont exist. The authencity and vividness is as valid a basis of evidence to me as a traditional scientific basis. Even how we view ghosts and angels is cultural. Many western people see angels as blond and beautiful. Where are the black angels?

All a scientist can say is that a certain phenomena is (likely) not a ghost. If things can be explained scientifically there's no reason to suggest our faith based assumptions were correct. When my TV goes out suddenly I might believe it was a ghost, only later may I found out it went to sleeping mode. Just because I had the belief of a ghost right there, doesn't mean it was the truth.

We should value scientific based evidence because it has partly helped us get out of the superstitions of the Middle Ages. You know, the time when you were considered a witch when you were slightly different from your townsman.

Summerland

30-12-2010, 02:43 PM

Even how we view ghosts and angels is cultural. Many western people see angels as blond and beautiful. Where are the black angels?

All a scientist can say is that a certain phenomena is (likely) not a ghost. If things can be explained scientifically there's no reason to suggest our faith based assumptions were correct. When my TV goes out suddenly I might believe it was a ghost, only later may I found out it went to sleeping mode. Just because I had the belief of a ghost right there, doesn't mean it was the truth.

We should value scientific based evidence because it has partly helped us get out of the superstitions of the Middle Ages. You know, the time when you were considered a witch when you were slightly different from your townsman.

Been there , done that as far as being a witch. But of course I can't prove that either.
I had posted a very long reply and when I hit submit, it vanished and I had to refresh to get back into the site. I am going to take that as a sign, being the magickal thinking person that I am.
I have to wonder why you and gem need to disprove anything that the rest of us say. Instead of going to a different thread to discuss 'stuff' with like-minded people. "methinks thou doth overly protest" Do you both ask people to prove that they have souls? Because there is no empiral proof of that either. The matter of a slight lessening of body weight could be due to other reasons. So in saying, I don't have any scientific proof of my soul, but I "know" that I have one.
If you want empirical, solid evidence of Atlantis, this is not the place to find it. We can't prove it to you anymore than you can disprove it to us.
I very much appreciate andrew and amethyst jumping in. :hug3: :hug3:
Could we not find an icon for "Namaste" ?

andrew g

30-12-2010, 03:06 PM

Even how we view ghosts and angels is cultural. Many western people see angels as blond and beautiful. Where are the black angels?

All a scientist can say is that a certain phenomena is (likely) not a ghost. If things can be explained scientifically there's no reason to suggest our faith based assumptions were correct. When my TV goes out suddenly I might believe it was a ghost, only later may I found out it went to sleeping mode. Just because I had the belief of a ghost right there, doesn't mean it was the truth.

We should value scientific based evidence because it has partly helped us get out of the superstitions of the Middle Ages. You know, the time when you were considered a witch when you were slightly different from your townsman.

If your tv goes out and your inner insight and intuition suggests that it is a ghost, I would suggest it might be worth trusting that. The trick is in establishing what is inner insight and intuition.

In my opinion, 'proof' is a massively over-rated thing. You would actually struggle to prove to me that 1 + 1 = 2 given that symbols are subjective. 'Proof' is for the logical mind only and when we begin to trust our inner insight and intuition, proof becomes irrelevant.

In the end, no-one here is going to be able to give you the evidence you require in order to accept that Atlantis existed. But others dont require the same evidence you do, they have their own evidence which is very much valid to them. My guess is that if the evidence you require was ever to surface, by that point you probably wouldnt need it anyway.

Chrysaetos

30-12-2010, 03:29 PM

Been there , done that as far as being a witch. But of course I can't prove that either.
I had posted a very long reply and when I hit submit, it vanished and I had to refresh to get back into the site. I am going to take that as a sign, being the magickal thinking person that I am.The choice is yours but it doesn't mean it's the truth.I have to wonder why you and gem need to disprove anything that the rest of us say. Instead of going to a different thread to discuss 'stuff' with like-minded people. "methinks thou doth overly protest" It's just how discussions go, people respond, you respond back and so forth.Do you both ask people to prove that they have souls? Because there is no empiral proof of that either. The matter of a slight lessening of body weight could be due to other reasons. So in saying, I don't have any scientific proof of my soul, but I "know" that I have one.I know there is no empirical proof. But I am interested in people's concepts about it.
Why do you think you ''have'' a ''soul''? The word ''a'' implies an individual entity. And is the soul a feeling? A sense of peace beyond the mind? Just awareness? If you want empirical, solid evidence of Atlantis, this is not the place to find it. We can't prove it to you anymore than you can disprove it to us.I very much appreciate andrew and amethyst jumping in.I can disprove certain beliefs, such as the belief that there was a continent named Atlantis that had the size of Australia just a few thousand years ago.
I know there isn't evidence for the place but I will challenge anyone who thinks they have it.
'Proof' is for the logical mind only and when we begin to trust our inner insight and intuition, proof becomes irrelevant.And our so called inner insights and intuitions are often based upon assumptions and beliefs about reality. It is all nice for the mind but when we search for truth or when we are looking for the historical past of the human race, it is not a valuable resource.

Summerland

30-12-2010, 04:29 PM

Chrysaetos, you seem to be very much as your chosen name implies. I choose to live my life from a very different perspective than you do. There are many things that I know in my soul that can't be proven. I have no desire to make anyone believe as I do. I am a unique individual entity comprised of all of my experiences , feelings , thoughts of many lifetimes and being in Summerland in between. And even the brief span of time spent looking down upon my dead body, time and time again, and reviewing why I chose to leave and a brief synopsis of what my main lesson for that life was. And I have never felt compelled to prove or disprove this to anyone.
I believe in creatures that I am sure that you would scoff at. And that is fine with me also. I pray and talk to the Goddess. She is more real to me than you are as I see 'evidence' of Her in every aspect in my life.
I would prefer to have a belief in things that I can't prove than only to believe in things that I CAN prove.
Since being very young I have "known" facts that were laughed at by the scientific community. Except now the scientific community is finding those things to be true. I "knew" more about Neanderthals than they did and only recently have my beliefs been validated. I "knew" that man was much, much older than the scientists claimed when I was 20. The age of man is being pushed back further into the mists of time just as I "knew" all those years ago. I had no validation for those beliefs so many years ago and didn't need it. I simply "KNEW". And now the scientific community is catching up to what I said all along.
I understand that you think that you are only reasonably asking questions and want validation of my basis of knowledge. On my side, I am sensing that there is more to it. Which I am not going to debate either, with you or anyone else. You seem to have a great need to disprove my recollections, and of others, of Atlantis. Albert Einstein was a great man and pioneer in science. But he also had a very strong belief in things that he could not see or prove, but only somehow "knew" to be true.
Frankly I am beginning to feel like we are both :BangHead: and I am :walk: away from discussing this with you.No hard feelings, but we are a world apart on how we view life.

Chrysaetos

30-12-2010, 04:43 PM

Chrysaetos, you seem to be very much as your chosen name implies. I choose to live my life from a very different perspective than you do. There are many things that I know in my soul that can't be proven. I have no desire to make anyone believe as I do. I am a unique individual entity comprised of all of my experiences , feelings , thoughts of many lifetimes and being in Summerland in between. What has it got to do with my chosen name?
I also believe in things that can't be proven, but it's ok with me. I don't feel any need to misuse science to validate what I believe in (look at spiritual people who use quantum physics or even black holes to ''prove'' beliefs). And I agree, we're all unique individuals.Since being very young I have "known" facts that were laughed at by the scientific community. Except now the scientific community is finding those things to be true. I "knew" more about Neanderthals than they did and only recently have my beliefs been validated.What did you ''knew'' what ''they'' (implying all scientists) did not knew?I "knew" that man was much, much older than the scientists claimed when I was 20. The age of man is being pushed back further into the mists of time just as I "knew" all those years ago. I had no validation for those beliefs so many years ago and didn't need it. I simply "KNEW". And now the scientific community is catching up to what I said all along.In the early 70's it was already known that man was very old. And yes, it is being pushed further back, species evolve, so there isn't really a clear starting point for a species.
It's easy to say we're right afterwards. I could say humanity will get a lot of problems with food 50 years from now because of overpopulation.

Kaere

30-12-2010, 04:46 PM

Can we bring this back on topic please instead of picking each other's posts apart?

I'd also like to remind everyone of the following rule:

Respect: Please respect other member’s and their beliefs, opinions, and views at all times. Abuse and abusive posts (of any nature) will not be tolerated. Breaches of this ruling will result in posts being removed, warnings and if continued, DA. Mocking, and belittling other members also counts as disrespect.

Greenslade

01-01-2011, 10:29 AM

Could we not find an icon for "Namaste" ?

An icon for "shotgun" would be better. Just kidding, in case Kaere roasts my tail :-)

I honestly don't know if they'll ever find Atlantis, in fact I doubt they will. Thing is, I remember so much before Atlantis that - for me anyway - sheds a totally different light on the subject. One of the purposes of Atlantis was to integrate Souls from the higher dimensions into the third. There were Lyrans in Atlantis and they didn't resonate fully in the third dimension as we do now. Perhaps Atlantis was never a totally physical place as we 'understand' solid today as humans, perhaps it existed in a lower plane to those inhabiting it much like a dimensional way-station. Plato describes it as solid, but then to his perception it would come across as solid. If we - as Spirit for want of a better term - agreed to be there then our Conciousness would also resonate at that frequency and so Atlantis would appear solid to us, in the same way this dimension appears solid. We accept that this dimension appears solid because we have come here to interact with it, would our Consciousness resonating at say the fifth/sixth dimension feel just as solid?

I remember being there when Atlantis was being planned. I remember what was essentially a space station on Mars and have spoken to a few people about it who remember the same thing. I also remember leaving Mars for earth and watching as the Mars station was destroyed. As I remember there was a war on, and there were reasons for building the station on Mars, it was like a decoy for earth until it was ready. I remember coming to Altantis, there was what looked like a ceremony to integrate my Consciousness into the third dimension. It didn't work with everyone and there were 'healers' always on standby in case it went sideways.

I remember Life on Atlantis, remember what my job was and who I was there with. I have met many people who remember that same Life. I also remember that Atlantis wasn't just the circular city surrounded by water but also places like Scotland where Atlanteans lived. I could go into so much detail that has been verified by other people on this one - including Mary Chapman who wrote a book.

I remember when Atlantis was destroyed. It was known then that there were dark energies at work to undo what we were trying to do but in the end their work turned in our favour. In helping to destroy Atlantis they helped to fully integrate the Souls into the third dimension by cutting the links to the higher dimensions. The Souls who had chosen to stay were pretty much stuck here, not just on earth but also in this dimension.

I remember Atlantis coming apart at the seams and watched as it came down around my ears. I remember escaping the city and running outside, finding myself lying on the ground and watching as the outside of the city crumbled and fell into the sea. Then there was this ear-splitting roar as the centre of the city rose up and disappeared into the clouds, leaving nothing behind but the surface agitation of the rest of the city sinking. I remember that moment very clearly, and remember thinking that Atlantis had done its job very well indeed.

So, call me delusional or whatever I really don't mind. Those are my memories, perhaps clouded by human reasoning and shaped into something my human brain can comprehend. Perhaps there will never be any physical evidence of it ever being true but that is not the point here.

To me, there is so much evidence of Atlantean influence across the globe that there has to be something there. Call it Atlantis, call it Tarquin if you like but the names don't really matter. The influence is still there and it's been documented throughout history in the tales and fables of many cultures. I believe that all mythology is based on fact somewhere along the line, and if you care to pare away the layers you'll find it. But what is more important to me anyway is the connections, and when you can tell a story that resonates so deeply with another, there has to be something to that story after all.

Summerland

01-01-2011, 12:06 PM

Greenslade, can you give me the name of Mary Chapmans book? I rec'd a gift card for a bookstore and would like to see if they have it. Merci'

themaster

01-01-2011, 01:04 PM

Can tangible evidence of for the existence of Atlantis be found in the World today ?The answer is yes.. will it be found? that answer is also yes :smile:

It is said to be in many places around the World one newer theory is off the coast of Florida ?Atlantis is underwater and above water.. I believe it was 3 continents before it broke up and was mostly destroyed..

There is a lot of "channeled" information on this subject.. I have read numerous metatron/tyberron articles on it..
Where do ye think it is / or do ye think it even exists to be found ?Remnants of our old civilization are still all over.. just not recognized.. my understanding is from "metratron/tyberron" is that part of a corner is at the "bimini islands" the place where they found that weird underwater walkway..
I have to wonder if it was maybe here for a time but not created by the “men” that are of the Earth but of a civilization that visited our Earth. I do not feel we are alone in the existence we are that we have had visits from other Worlds that have lead us on a path.A long time agao in a galaxy far, far away.. :D

We lived side by side with aliens and gods.. or to put it more bluntly.. all aliens are us and we are them (law #2 for all realities: the one are all, the all are one)

So yes according to the stories in "new age" from I think reliable sources (doesn't matter if they aren't :tongue: ) the earth was seeded with genetic material from other planets/species/us to create man..

This is why evolution and evolving are form from "apes" is such a stretch for our imaginations.. cause my understanding is.. it didn't happen that way..
If Atlantis did exist then how long do ye think it existed for ?The channeled material states about 25,000 years ago to 10,000 years ago.. somewhere in there :)
How do ye view the existence of something or some place ?

It could well be that ye see it as being a physical living and thriving city, or it could be that ye see it as existing as we still talk on it and have knowledge of it.

When does something start and stop in existence ?

Is it when the last person there leaves or dies off or it when there is no one left to remember it ?These questions ramble to much..

Let me answer with a "catch-all" there is a thing called the "akashic records" it records all human endeavors of every life ever and is mostly open to the public..

All history of Atlantis and the multiple dimensions and pathways it went is recorded there for your viewing pleasure :smile:
Was there a continent of Lemuria ?Yes, it was based in what we now call Hawaii (however the land mass was much different then)
Is it possible that there is a lost continent one that sank to the Ocean bottom? Lemuria was destroyed on purpose.. (same could be said for Atlantis) a natural cataclysm wiped that game.. it was considered a failure.. as was the game of Atlantis..

This game we are playing now is considered a "success" not cause we achieved the goal.. (we didn't) but because we decided to end the party anyway with a BANG :)

As for more knowledge about it.. I've heard the channel "kryon" give details on it..
Many claim to have past lives memories to this place but is it
Real or something one wants to be real ?

LynnA teacher of mine says that anything we can imagine.. "exists, somewhere, somehow"

So the answer is yes, there was a game called "lemuria" people sometimes remember their past lives there or other star systems :D

Greenslade

01-01-2011, 01:26 PM

Greenslade, can you give me the name of Mary Chapmans book? I rec'd a gift card for a bookstore and would like to see if they have it. Merci'

Oops, sorry. My bad. it's not Mary Chapman but Carole Chapman - for some reason I think Mary Chapman instead. Anyway - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0975469118?ie=UTF8&tag=cuupwiagobo0e-20&link_code=as3&camp=211189&creative=373489&creativeASIN=0975469118

Greenslade

01-01-2011, 01:44 PM

OK, so why am I being led here - http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_watchers11.htm

"Or the land of Mhor/giants - Morayshire. What we thought we knew about Egypt according to Beaumont is the result of the more contemporary migration of 1 million 'Scottish/Thule' survivors - taking their surprisingly similar legends of floods, high tek and alien hybrid unions to every corner of the planet - and the memory that somewhere in the land of the pharaoh a nordic word for chief or prince or Aryan or noble - are the real Faroe islands or the isles of Fergus, to the north of Scotland. [not Egypt - a land named after a latter day King]

As Roman Historian Pomponius Mela said,
'the pharusii dwelt by the Atlantic where they stretched as far as the hesperides' [hesperides = farthest ultimate west] (North American).
Vitrified Forts blasted by laser and nuclear activity scatter the globe and are found in Moray in Scotland - the land of the giants - at the Center of the universe - eastern Scotland."
I live in an extreme north-east corner of Scotland, we have water on two sides - a place called Fraserburgh. We're about 60 miles from Morayshire. I was stationed in Morayshire when I was in the Royal Air Force and always felt at home there.

"Homer states that the saved Noah and his crew rested in Boggie and indeed Tap O Noth is Glen Noe in the Bogie District of Scotland now a massive vitrified fort on a 2000 foot high artificial hill."
Less than 20 miles away. Also in the very close area is a stone circle called Aikey Brae. It was a favourite place of my father's, back in the days when they had horse fairs and the like - he was of farming stock. Aikey Brae is also a very weird place, to get to it you have to go through a wood that blocks everything else out. When you come through the other side to the circle you feel as though you've gone back a few thousand years.

Gem

01-01-2011, 02:23 PM

Yes, that is possible too. There is ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome.. what makes Atlantis and Lemuria so different from them?
Yes. I once read a site that said Atlantis was in Asia. Reading it back then it looked quite plausible to me. But I moved on.

The Greek area has alot of unexplained ruins, alot of which are sunken and buried under lava flow, and things are found dating back over 10000 years... and I'm no archeologist, but I'd imagine there is much more unexplained things that there are explained.

Civilization is marked by man's constructions, not geographical features, and the earth had been prodded and dug revealing structures which are quite inexplicable, and obviously there was ancient 'technology' modern science can't explain...

I don't know, but alotof peopleclaimthere is re-incarnation, and if that's the case today's humans could well have lived in ancient civilizations.

I am also aware of peoples fanciful imaginations, and I know beliefs often bear no relation to the truth, yes, there are absolutely whack beliefs. I'd imagine the majority of ones claiming to be atlantean are real dreamers.

The technology which no-one can apply today seems to be forgotten where other memories are vivid... The simple things like the layout of cities, simple abilities like scetching maps that concur. There are no congruent memories, and no practical demonstratable ones.

The difference is there is overwhelmi evidence for the ancient civilizations you mentioned, and many others all over the world, but none whatsoever of an entire continent which very suddenly 'sunk', let alone two.

grazier

01-01-2011, 03:15 PM

[quote=Greenslade]
I honestly don't know if they'll ever find Atlantis, in fact I doubt they will.

Hi Greenslade,

Believe me, Atlantis will rise again - it won't need to be 'found' we will be called by it.

The Atlantis energy is far too powerful to become extinct.

When all of the 'real ancient crystal skulls' have been recovered and brought to light Exodus will call from the wreckage area of the Titanic. He will shine forth, emanating energy and an urgent call and it will be followed up and he will be found. When he has been rcovered and placed between the paws of the Sphinx he will activate the key to the ancient Library and Halls of Learning and also open the portal to the universe that was placed there by Thoth.

Then the Rainbow Warriors will come back to Earth and bring Apollo, the thirteenth Atlantean skull, the main key to the twelve. They will place Apollo over the powerhouse of Atlantis and Atlantis will rise again.

This is my belief, through messages that I have received from the Messenger and experiences that I have had, memories that I have recalled, and knowledge that I have gained through study.

Blessings

grazier :hug3:

themaster

01-01-2011, 09:54 PM

I don't know, but alotof peopleclaimthere is re-incarnation, and if that's the case today's humans could well have lived in ancient civilizations.
Re-incarnation is real but a better way to describe it is.. "simultaneous multiple incarnations" meaning all past lives are not in the past.. they actually occur right now.. that's cause time is a illusion..
I am also aware of peoples fanciful imaginationsEverything in the imagination is real. It's statements like this.. where the "EGO" doubts your own abilities.. and thus it is created. Creator god :smile:
and I know beliefs often bear no relation to the truth, yes, there are absolutely whack beliefs. I'd imagine the majority of ones claiming to be atlantean are real dreamers.People are liars..?? I think not.. I think everyone on the planet has connections/ties to Atlantis.. few don't..
The technology which no-one can apply today seems to be forgotten where other memories are vivid... The simple things like the layout of cities, simple abilities like scetching maps that concur. There are no congruent memories, and no practical demonstratable ones.Bull, you have not studied the materials.. there's tons of information on the layouts of the city.. on what we did there..

Perhaps the problem is like invalidating your fellow humans stories of atlantis.. you invalidate the information about Atlantis..

Many on the planet live in the "science" mentality.. to quote Nacho Libre "I only believe in science" so if you believe in science as your only truth you will have no answer for weird phenomena that happen all over the planet..

Like increased solar flares, miracle healings, changes in our electromagnetic field of the earth (it's changing, shutting down if I remember right) and the list goes on and on..

People still can't even figure out how the pyramids were made.. the theory that 10,000 slaves and a primitive culture put together a perfect symmetrical block structure with stones of several tons.. baffles them.. that's because it wasn't slaves but very advanced technology that built the pyramid..

(if we got together our best minds right now.. and we said re-create this giant stone pyramid.. our best minds could maybe do it in 50 years with our technology.. they would not even be able to accomplish the task in less than a 100+ years with technology they claimed was used to construct the pyramid)

Also this technology is not "forgotten" it is recorded in the "akashic records" along with every person’s life at Atlantis just as were recorded now.. this is my understanding :smile:
The difference is there is overwhelmi evidence for the ancient civilizations you mentioned, and many others all over the world, but none whatsoever of an entire continent which very suddenly 'sunk', let alone two.The evidences exists.. just cause a bunch of scientist haven't figured it out.. doesn't mean it's not true.. you can play the game of "I believe in science" all you want..

Everything will be explained.. all this information will come out.. so if you believe in science.. no worry's our scientists will figure out the following within 50 years..

That everything is made of us.. that we are all the same being :smile:

themaster

01-01-2011, 10:02 PM

Hi Greenslade,

Believe me, Atlantis will rise again - it won't need to be 'found' we will be called by it.

The Atlantis energy is far too powerful to become extinct.

When all of the 'real ancient crystal skulls' have been recovered and brought to light Exodus will call from the wreckage area of the Titanic. He will shine forth, emanating energy and an urgent call and it will be followed up and he will be found. When he has been rcovered and placed between the paws of the Sphinx he will activate the key to the ancient Library and Halls of Learning and also open the portal to the universe that was placed there by Thoth.

Then the Rainbow Warriors will come back to Earth and bring Apollo, the thirteenth Atlantean skull, the main key to the twelve. They will place Apollo over the powerhouse of Atlantis and Atlantis will rise again.

This is my belief, through messages that I have received from the Messenger and experiences that I have had, memories that I have recalled, and knowledge that I have gained through study.

Blessings

grazier :hug3:Yah, know grazier.. I'm pretty deep into "new age" theory/ideas.. but this seems a bit over the top..??

Do you have a date for when this is going to happen..?? because like you I'm also aware there is information under the "sphinx".. in fact right now excavations are going on around the "sphinx" many people think they'll find that information..

I think what I can say is your information doesn't resonate.. and may not be true for my reality :D However, I think your explanation sounds more like a miss-interpretation of what will happen :smile:

Chrysaetos

01-01-2011, 10:10 PM

Everything in the imagination is real. It's statements like this.. where the "EGO" doubts your own abilities.. and thus it is created. Yes it's all real..... in the imagination of the mind.
Belief and fact are not the same.

Even if we don't know understand how the pyramids were built, that is still no reason to suggest it was advanced technology. People are usually only looking at the pyramids of Gizeh, the ''perfect'' ones. But the Egyptians had centuries to reach that. There are many pyramids that are not that amazing at all. I have been to Egypt and I know it isn't as magical and impossible as popular internet sites want you to believe.

themaster

01-01-2011, 10:56 PM

Yes it's all real..... in the imagination of the mind.
Belief and fact are not the same.Actually belief and fact are the same..

You believe you can't fly.. so fact you can't fly..

You believe your unworthy of love.. so fact you hate yourself.. :D
Even if we don't know understand how the pyramids were built, that is still no reason to suggest it was advanced technology. People are usually only looking at the pyramids of Gizeh, the ''perfect'' ones. But the Egyptians had centuries to reach that. There are many pyramids that are not that amazing at all. I have been to Egypt and I know it isn't as magical and impossible as popular internet sites want you to believe.Forget about "internet" sites.. for fun if you want try building just 1% of the base pyramid.. you'd fine trying to do that almost impossible..

What I'm really saying is.. pretend your living in the 1800's and your looking up at the "Empire State Building" and asking the question "how did you build that?" I'm talking about reverse engineering..

From that aspect you realize that the pyramid was built with "know how" it wasn't built as a experiment it was built with knowing how to do it..

And it was built with such precision that it dwarves some of buildings today..

My understanding is the popular "theory" of slaves.. has some slight flaws.. in it.. they would have to have places a 1+ ton stone into the pyramid every 8 seconds over the course of it's 20+ year construction.. that feasiblity sounds impossible for ancient times..

Chrysaetos

01-01-2011, 11:49 PM

Actually belief and fact are the same..
You believe you can't fly.. so fact you can't fly..
You believe your unworthy of love.. so fact you hate yourself.. :D No they are not the same. You might want to analyse thoughts and actions.
Believing in a real Santa with flying caribou doesn't make it fact.

I have to wonder whether you are being serious here or ''you'r having a larf'' ..
And it was built with such precision that it dwarves some of buildings today..Humans aren't stupid. They can make amazing things. We've had many technological advancements in the last few centuries, thanks to our intelligence. My understanding is the popular "theory" of slaves.. has some slight flaws.. in it.. they would have to have places a 1+ ton stone into the pyramid every 8 seconds over the course of it's 20+ year construction.. that feasiblity sounds impossible for ancient times.. Where do you get the idea from that they had to place a ''1+ ton stone into the pyramid every 8 seconds''?

Summerland

02-01-2011, 12:14 AM

Neville

02-01-2011, 12:21 AM

Summerland

02-01-2011, 01:15 AM

The information regarding ancient civilizations is locked into your genetic memory, The mystics call it the Akashic Library or something . but its all there in you now, the trick is accessing this memory.

Neville, I wonder if it is genetic memory about Atlantis and Lemuria that causes us to know about them. Perhaps it is our soul memory, which is acquired thru the Akashic records. If it was a collective consciousness, would that include detailed memories? And would that account for individual memories of life, death, training? Once more that would lead back to an individuals abilty to access the Akashic records. Sort of a conundrum, isn't it? My memories came from inside; at the age of 8. No access to TV, no access to a libray which would have had the story of Atlantis. The emotional pain it brought to me was beyond what a 8 year old should know about. I knew nothing of temples or earthquakes, I was probably not even aware of the geography of the Atlantic Ocean.
One thing that I do want to say though is this: it is so good to be on a forum where I can talk with others freely about that stage of my journey; about living in a country that has not been found. Knowing that there are others who were there with me and remember me (greenslade), who witnessed my dying. Until then I have had only one Anam Cara who remembered Atlantis and our life there. So again, it is so good to be able to relive some of those events with others here.

:hug: :hug3: :hug2: to all those who share those memories and to those who do not, yet are willing to allow the possibility.

Summerland

02-01-2011, 03:20 AM

Yes it's all real..... in the imagination of the mind.
Belief and fact are not the same.

Even if we don't know understand how the pyramids were built, that is still no reason to suggest it was advanced technology. People are usually only looking at the pyramids of Gizeh, the ''perfect'' ones. But the Egyptians had centuries to reach that. There are many pyramids that are not that amazing at all. I have been to Egypt and I know it isn't as magical and impossible as popular internet sites want you to believe.

Chrysaetos, why don't you share some of the things that you have seen during your travels and experiences? I , for one, would be interested in reading about it.

Gem

02-01-2011, 04:30 AM

Re-incarnation is real but a better way to describe it is.. "simultaneous multiple incarnations" meaning all past lives are not in the past.. they actually occur right now.. that's cause time is a illusion..
Everything in the imagination is real. It's statements like this.. where the "EGO" doubts your own abilities.. and thus it is created. Creator god :smile:
People are liars..?? I think not.. I think everyone on the planet has connections/ties to Atlantis.. few don't..
Bull, you have not studied the materials.. there's tons of information on the layouts of the city.. on what we did there..

Perhaps the problem is like invalidating your fellow humans stories of atlantis.. you invalidate the information about Atlantis..

Many on the planet live in the "science" mentality.. to quote Nacho Libre "I only believe in science" so if you believe in science as your only truth you will have no answer for weird phenomena that happen all over the planet..

Like increased solar flares, miracle healings, changes in our electromagnetic field of the earth (it's changing, shutting down if I remember right) and the list goes on and on..

People still can't even figure out how the pyramids were made.. the theory that 10,000 slaves and a primitive culture put together a perfect symmetrical block structure with stones of several tons.. baffles them.. that's because it wasn't slaves but very advanced technology that built the pyramid..

(if we got together our best minds right now.. and we said re-create this giant stone pyramid.. our best minds could maybe do it in 50 years with our technology.. they would not even be able to accomplish the task in less than a 100+ years with technology they claimed was used to construct the pyramid)

Also this technology is not "forgotten" it is recorded in the "akashic records" along with every person’s life at Atlantis just as were recorded now.. this is my understanding :smile:
The evidences exists.. just cause a bunch of scientist haven't figured it out.. doesn't mean it's not true.. you can play the game of "I believe in science" all you want..

Everything will be explained.. all this information will come out.. so if you believe in science.. no worry's our scientists will figure out the following within 50 years..

That everything is made of us.. that we are all the same being :smile:

I'm just saying if people recall the technology they could demonsrate it. They could draw concurring maps, show the geographical locations and many other things, but people do not do this.

Einstein says the unverse is an illusion but a very persistant one, but time is a function of dimension, which I can't really explain now.

No one 'believes in science', the experiments work, the math is applied and found to be consistant with natural phenomena, that all. It's not like they just make it all up.

There's heaps of evidence for ancient civilizations, alot of which is quite inexplicable, so no one doubts that, but somehow two entire continents suddenly sunk in major cataclysms and there's not a shred of evidence... that seem very strange.

'Atlantis' is a word Plato coined and I don't know where Lumeria came from, but certainly not 10000 or more years ago... besides Plato had the good grace to provide a fairly detailed description.

I'm just being practical, because some of the stuff I read is quite obviously nonsense.

themaster

02-01-2011, 06:50 AM

Where do you get the idea from that they had to place a ''1+ ton stone into the pyramid every 8 seconds''?I got the stat from a documentary called "Ancient Aliens"

I can try and find the source if you’re really bothered by it..??

But in trying to find it.. I find this article.. :D (which is even better than the stat it's just used to disprove the conventional theory)

http://www.livescience.com/history/070518_bts_barsoum_pyramids.html

Apparently after examining the stones with a "electronic microscope" they have finally figured out they can't have even come from a "quarry"
Egyptologists are consistently confronted by unanswered questions: How is it possible that some of the blocks are so perfectly matched that not even a human hair can be inserted between them? Why, despite the existence of millions of tons of stone, carved presumably with copper chisels, has not one copper chisel ever been found on the Giza Plateau?

Although Barsoum’s research has not answered all of these questions, his work provides insight into some of the key questions. For example, it is now more likely than not that the tops of the pyramids are cast, as it would have been increasingly difficult to drag the stones to the summit.

Also, casting would explain why some of the stones fit so closely together. Still, as with all great mysteries, not every aspect of the pyramids can be explained. How the Egyptians hoisted 70-ton granite slabs halfway up the great pyramid remains as mysterious as ever.You see scientists are not so dumb after all.. they’re getting smarter.. :smile:
I have to wonder whether you are being serious here or ''you'r having a larf'' ..I'm being serious.. but in a playful way.. to some people who are rational and based in logic and thought.. it may seem annoying.. a interesting emotion that if used with the Emotional Guidance System will help you clear beliefs that may be hindering you.. :smile:

themaster

02-01-2011, 06:52 AM

Humans aren't stupid. They can make amazing things. We've had many technological advancements in the last few centuries, thanks to our intelligence.We haven't made breakthroughs cause of "intelligence", we are not great "thinkers" :smile:

But we have made great creations.. cause were creators.. it would be a interesting reality if per say we had decided to make the reality "Nicholas Tesla" wanted of transmitting power through the air.. (which was created by my understanding.. this is just not it! :D )

The problem with our ego based society Pisces... (did I mention I'm a Pisces? :tongue: ) is that it's having a hard time being "heart" based.. meaning Aquarius

And that's exactly what's wrong with your statement above it says were great thinkers and we can create through thinking.. but we actually don't create through thinking.. we give ourselves a "permission slip" for a light bulb to light up by electricity.. that is our creation.. for we are "creator gods" and not lucky man apes with extreme "Extra" intelligence

One day we will actually realize on the planet that "technology" is a "permission slip" to create the effects we want.. and when we REALIZE this.. we will realize we no longer require technology.. we will simply ask for a APPLE and it will appear in the hand :smile:
No they are not the same. You might want to analyse thoughts and actions.
Believing in a real Santa with flying caribou doesn't make it fact.I believe my teacher bashar when he says..

Anything you imagine exists, somewhere, somehow..

So I disagree.. santa and flying caribou are real.. they may not apply to this reality.. but real they be :smile:

themaster

02-01-2011, 07:34 AM

themaster, actually a tear happened in the magnetic shielding around our planet just this past week; just ripped. Fortuantely it is quiet on the sun until Jan 3. However 3 new sunspots are forming.
And as far as life forms that can't be; NASA just discovered arseninc based life, which previously" known to not be possible on this planet. And there are creatures being discovered on this planet that were previously not in our database..
As far as weather, the Jet Stream, for the first time in recorded history, actually touched the ground in Minnesota.
There are oceanic trenches that are deeper than our atmosphere is high. Who knows what creatures live in those massive pressure depths.
Hasn't there been a creature back east in the US called the Mantauk creature that has not been identified yet? And creatures wash up on beaches that have marine biologists stumped.
And how do we know what exists beyond our vision spectrum? Our our ability to see with our naked eyes. You certanly cannot see a proton, atom, etc, with the naked eye, but they exist. Good thing someone believed in being able to find them, huh?
Oh yes, then there are the poor dinosaurs. A few hundred years ago we didn't even know about them.Interesting.. :smile:
The information regarding ancient civilizations is locked into your genetic memory, The mystics call it the Akashic Library or something . but its all there in you now, the trick is accessing this memory.Yes, I recently heard via metatron/tyberonn channel.. that all that DNA the scientist call junk is actually the DNA from our past earth incarnations.. if I interpreted it right.. I can point you to the channel if you want read for yourself..? :D

I don't think of the "akashic library" as dna.. I think of it as a "metaphysical" storage place.. for creator gods like ourselves.. very easy to create.. and access for some of us :D
Neville, I wonder if it is genetic memory about Atlantis and Lemuria that causes us to know about them. Perhaps it is our soul memory, which is acquired thru the Akashic records.My simple understanding is.. that you connect to that life through your oversoul.. which is actually/on-going as we speak (since time is a illusion :D)

That I'm aware the "akashic records" have nothing to do with you remembering/knowing about Atlantis.. the records are just as described.. "Records" (however, I'm sure it's possible to access them and retrieve memory's/experiences there)

For the record however, I've never heard a teacher exactly speak about this.. so this is my knowingness on the subject :rolleyes:

themaster

02-01-2011, 07:39 AM

I'm just saying if people recall the technology they could demonsrate it. They could draw concurring maps, show the geographical locations and many other things, but people do not do this.Once again, I say this is not correct..

There are people doing this even today (drawing maps, writing the history).. one thing you might have a problem with is.. if there are "multiple realities" my teacher most assuredly says there are :smile:

You may end up with information that is not relevant to this "earth's" history..

Information like it's location, where it's underground remains are.. etc. has been provided by various channels.. not to mention there are people that can access the "akashic records" for information..

I'll happy provide some links from tyberron/metatron about Atlantis if you would like to read for yourself.. however reading them can be quite "meticulous and a little boring" :D

About the technology.. there is something you need to understand.. we do not have the beliefs systems to support it.. I believe

If a magician were to get on stage.. show you his *special* wand and say I'm going to levitate that large block right there.. besides for everyone thinking it's a trick with wires and such.. no one would believe it's possible to just levitate a block with such a tool.. (or even the mind :D)

There is no belief system in place to support such levitation.. with the removal of belief systems that would say "that's not possible" then such a trick would be possible and easy..

So what I'm saying is.. tools from Atlantis are still here (some of e'm) but my understanding is no one has the skill/know how to make them work.. and it certainly wouldn't be conducive with our belief systems..

I am not saying it's "impossible" just pretty unrealistic :smile: it will become more possible as we accelerate into the shift :smile:

themaster

02-01-2011, 07:44 AM

No one 'believes in science', the experiments work, the math is applied and found to be consistant with natural phenomena, that all. It's not like they just make it all up.Actually, they do.. but your also right.. they do observe and find "natural laws"

And no the math doesn't always add up.. they still can't figure out why there's a wobble in gravity.. they still don't have a clue what dark matter is even though it's 90% of the universe.. (hint dark matter is the metaphysical/spiritual/non-physical place.. per my understanding)

There are people that believe only in "science" and there so stringent.. that they call peoples liars.. when you say to them.. I saw a ufo, I remember my past life.. it's not too their face..

But they don't find a way to make that truth.. true for that person.. they don't have a model/theory..

I personally call "new age" information.. the theory of everything.. and so far it explains everything pretty darn well.. and when I find a few hold ups.. I just put them aside.. and surprisingly as I explore "new age" theory.. I suddenly find a solution for this problem..

It's actually the scientific method I used to get this deep into "new age" :D

I think when someone says to you I saw a ufo or I was reincarnated.. you have to have a theory that make sense of their truth.. (if you want to understand everything..?) commonly that theory for most people is.. "shh.. there crazy!" "they need a psychiatrist" "you were doing drugs" anything to not validate there truth...

They don't validate there truth.. and because they don't.. they don't have a theory to picture together everything..

But my version of "new age" theory can answer any question.. I was watching some documentary's and I watch movies too.. and sometimes I hear statements like..

"we just haven't figured that out yet"
"one day we'll know"
"were still working on it"
"why is there death? it's such a cruel world"

And I just laugh.. because I do have a answer or understanding for almost every single circumstance on the planet :smile: all the tough questions are answered for me.. and that knowingness can be for everyone.. and will be one day :smile:
There's heaps of evidence for ancient civilizations, alot of which is quite inexplicable, so no one doubts that, but somehow two entire continents suddenly sunk in major cataclysms and there's not a shred of evidence... that seem very strange.Once again there's evidence.. it's just not understood right now by the people trying to observe and figure out the planet.. aka scientists
'Atlantis' is a word Plato coined and I don't know where Lumeria came from, but certainly not 10000 or more years ago... besides Plato had the good grace to provide a fairly detailed description.It was about 10,000 years ago.. and it was cities/continents that operated for 15,000 years..

That is my understanding of the history of the earth we now live on.. however.. all of time is right now.. I don't really understand the point of arguing about the past..??

Nothing about the past can be proved "empirically" everything is just a Guess and Conjecture.. there may be a "science of it" we could call it science of the OBVIOUS

Ohh.. we found this fragment of a pottery jar here.. that must mean it carried olives between Athens and Greece.. but it's still a #$^#$^ GUESS

All of history is just a GUESS.. cause none of us were there (or remember we were there :wink: ) so we teach the history of GUESS's

Now how stupid is that?

Pretty stupid.. also really stupid.. when we have the "akashic records" which has everything in it.. :D

Chrysaetos

02-01-2011, 10:55 AM

And as far as life forms that can't be; NASA just discovered arseninc based life, which previously" known to not be possible on this planet. And there are creatures being discovered on this planet that were previously not in our database..Microscopic creatures yes. Comparing microscopic creatures to big creatures (who would obviously leave traces behind) just doesn't make sense.
I got the stat from a documentary called "Ancient Aliens"
I can try and find the source if you’re really bothered by it..?? I have seen that statement made before, and it's probably similar to creationists who still think knowledge about dinosaur physiology stopped in the 50's.
Ancient Aliens is based on wrong interpretations of old symbolism, the advocates try to understand history through modern eyes.
The problem with our ego based society Pisces... (did I mention I'm a Pisces? :tongue: ) is that it's having a hard time being "heart" based.. meaning Aquarius There's no such thing as a ''Pisces society'' or an ''Aquarius''. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1nsEtjqPg8 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.youtube.com%25252525252Fwatch%252 52525253Fv%25252525253D-1nsEtjqPg8)

Don't expect me to believe your claims if you don't provide any evidence. I prefer the hard facts, not relativistic, perspectivistic New Agery.

Can I ask you what you mean with ''ego''?

Summerland

02-01-2011, 11:58 AM

themaster

02-01-2011, 12:48 PM

You know you have a real habit of ignoring every valid point I make..

Do you concede that the construction of the pyramids is still a mystery to be solved?

Or is the evidence in?
I have seen that statement made before, and it's probably similar to creationists who still think knowledge about dinosaur physiology stopped in the 50's.I see what your saying.. I personally hate the statement

"we only use 10% of our brains"

Humans I mean *cough* people seem to banter that one about to say.. hey, were stupid.. apparently there was a revision on it that it means.. we only use 10% of our brains region at one time.. only 10% is active.. I expect this number is increasing.. as the corpus callosum is dissolving ohh and were getting silica and crystalline structure in the pineal :D
There's no such thing as a ''Pisces society'' or an ''Aquarius''.Actually, I disagree.. I think everything is relevant.. Pisces, Virgo, your birthdate.. your birth name.. your birth time.. and region

I think it's all significant.. you can claim it isn't.. but my understanding is.. there is meaning in everything..
Don't expect me to believe your claims if you don't provide any evidence. I prefer the hard facts, not relativistic, perspectivistic New Agery.Ohh.. you want hard facts.. okay

Here's some simple questions..

Why do adults not smile much?

Why are adults only happy with conditions like "yah, I'm riding a roller coaster"?

Why can't adults be happy all the time for absolutely no reason?

Why do children start out happy and grow up to be generally unhappy?

Why are the children on the planet the "lighter" beings, happier, smile more?

These are simple questions.. but the answers may surprise you..
Can I ask you what you mean with ''ego''?I meant that whole "were the thinkers and the top of the animal kingdom food chain spiel" you ranted out.. I meant to say that we were engaged in the age of Pisces which was all about thinking with the ego.. and this new age is all about.. "heart" the power of love, the power of unconditional love..

What would happen to the earth if one day.. every person just woke up and realized were all one?

I think if that happened in that connection and understanding.. the games of go to jail, you bad would stop being played (mostly.. :D) and the games of war would stop being played.. that isn't exactly what's going to happen..

But everyone on the planet is going to grow more and more awareness and understanding of "who they are"

Chrysaetos

02-01-2011, 12:59 PM

Chrysaetos, in th e above chopped up plethora of posts, the one that I sent you was overlooked. Would you tell me about some of the unusual 'things that youhave seen on your travels? You had mentioned a while ago that there had been hard to explain encounters that you have had.It just doesn't bring any value to this thread."we only use 10% of our brains" http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=do-we-really-use-only-10 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.scientificamerican.com%252525252525252525252Fart icle.cfm%252525252525252525253Fid%2525252525252525 25253Ddo-we-really-use-only-10)Actually, I disagree.. I think everything is relevant.. Pisces, Virgo, your birthdate.. your birth name.. your birth time.. and regionConstellations are man made fantasies based on some line drawing of the sky. The signs are just culturally based, not universal.I think it's all significant.. you can claim it isn't.. but my understanding is.. there is meaning We got the idea that there must be a grander purpose and meaning in existence, but in the end it's just belief. in everything..The human mind likes to think there is a meaning and a purpose behind everything. From a young age we've been used to seeing stuff made, from spoons to houses.Why can't adults be happy all the time for absolutely no reason? Why do children start out happy and grow up to be generally unhappy? Why are the children on the planet the "lighter" beings, happier, smile more?Because life ain't easy and adults need to take responsibilities and face the facts. Most children don't have to worry much about that.These are simple questions.. but the answers may surprise you..
I meant that whole "were the thinkers and the top of the animal kingdom food chain spiel" you ranted out..I never said humans were at ''the top of the animal kingdom food chain''.But everyone on the planet is going to grow more and more awareness and understanding of "who they are"Quantity is not quality. Just because more people are going to yoga classes, read New Age books, and go to New Age fares, it doesn't mean the world is becoming more ''aware''.

themaster

02-01-2011, 01:29 PM

Constellations are man made fantasies based on some line drawing of the sky. The signs are just culturally based, not universal.No, I disagree.. maybe you should ask like a 100 or a 1,000 people what there experience has been.. doing "astrology" for themselves or on themselves?

I hardly doubt the answer will be.. "yah, know it's all just fantasy"

Hey, why don't we make some other broad sweeping generalities.. like..

All black people are gay..

Or how about black people are poor and thiefs and 90 times more likely to do a crime..

It's the same thing your saying.. you realize that..??

Astralogy people are all delusional.. and all black people are poor thiefs
The human mind likes to think there is a meaning and a purpose behind everything.I don't agree with you.. I used to be of the understanding of not knowing if there was meaning.. it was only when I discovered "law of attraction" that I had to understand or realize.. there was a bigger picture.. that all of reality was "designed"

Ironically, law of attraction is one of the things that can be proved (through experimentation) but it's only usually to self.. I wouldn't guarrentee or try to convince others :smile:
Because life ain't easyThis is ironically a mass shared belief on the planet.. but who says it isn't easy?

Someone wins a million dollars did there life just get easier? Someone is born into wealth.. is there life easier?

What I'm trying to say is.. adults make this world complicated and ******.. where as children laugh and play and love.. adults run around and say "bad children" "don't do that" "I have bills to pay and me working at my job is more important then you.. no wait I'm doing it for you :D"

It's kids who are the light hearted ones.. it's us adults that are mainly screwed up.. (I ain't saying all kids are saints.. some are heavily influeced into negativity from there parents at a early age)
Because life ain't easy and adults need to take responsibilities and face the facts.What are the facts that need to be faced?

That making a living sucks?

That I'm doomed to have little sex?

That the world is hard and cruel and unfair?

See the adult games are the ones that make us unhappy..

Here's some real examples.. you can take a child to a dentist office, a hospital, a funeral, a lecture and they'll generally have a good time, they'll enjoy themselves..

Where as the adult won't.. why is it all of us adults don't try to be more childlike?? (well, I'll never know :rolleyes: ) I never said humans were at ''the top of the animal kingdom food chain''I got that extrapolation from this statement..
We've had many technological advancements in the last few centuries, thanks to our intelligence.
Just because more people are going to yoga classes, read New Age books, and go to New Age fares, the world doesn't mean the becoming more ''aware''.I strongly disagree

Maybe, you can't feel the change going on.. or even see the change going on.. but believe me it's going on! (or don't :tongue: )

Look how for a second the world looked out at the BP oil disaster and said.. "enough" this will not be allowed.. people stepped up for a minute and said "greed is not what we want, honoring the earth is what we want"

star-child

02-01-2011, 01:37 PM

just like another scientist that proved that water reacts to thought.. imagine a scientist taking all these experiments and writing a theory called "law of attraction"

This is shown in What The Bleep Do We Know!? Worth the watch :smile:

Anyway I have been watching this thread for a while, I can't get away from it haha.

Chrysaetos

02-01-2011, 01:41 PM

No, I disagree.. maybe you should ask like a 100 or a 1,000 people what there experience has been.. doing "astrology" for themselves or on themselves?Yep, Confirmation Bias, selective thinking, and Forer Effects.. but beyond that there's nothing to see.
It's the same thing your saying.. you realize that..??Nope. Not all black people are gay, that's pretty obvious.
Ironically, law of attraction is one of the things that can be proved (through experimentation) but it's only usually to self.. I wouldn't guarrentee or try to convince others :smile: Not so sure about that.. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Law_of_Attraction (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Frationalwiki.org%2Fwik i%2FLaw_of_Attraction)What I'm trying to say is.. adults make this world complicated and ******.. where as children laugh and play and love.. adults run around and say "bad children" "don't do that" "I have bills to pay and me working at my job is more important then you.. no wait I'm doing it for you :D"Yeah because children don't have to take any big responsibilities. Their minds aren't developed enough yet to be blamed for mistakes. Here's some real examples.. you can take a child to a dentist office, a hospital, a funeral, a lecture and they'll generally have a good time, they'll enjoy themselves..
Where as the adult won't.. why is it all of us adults don't try to be more childlike?? (well, I'll never know :rolleyes: ) I got that extrapolation from this statement..Who's saying adult cannot enjoy a visit to the dentist or a lecture? I do.

I said we've had many technological advancements in the past few centuries, which is no reason to suggest man is ''superior'' in the animal kingdom. That seems to be your view. Maybe, you can't feel the change going on.. or even see the change going on.. but believe me it's going on! (or don't :tongue: )You feel that way because many others have similar beliefs. It's like saying: If there would be 5 billion Muslims, it must mean Allah is doing his job well.

themaster

02-01-2011, 02:11 PM

Yep, Confirmation Bias, selective thinking, and Forer Effects.. but beyond that there's nothing to see.And what's "wrong" with listening to people and how it works for them?

See, I don't see any balance in that viewpoint.. if you want it more balanced.. fine talk to 100 or 1000 people into astrology and then to a 100 or 1000 people that are not using it.. a "control group" or create a fake astrology for them to try..
Nope. Not all black people are gay, that's pretty obvious.Skipped my point again.. just like the pyramid questions?Not so sure about that.. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Law_of_Attraction (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Frationalwiki.org%2Fwik i%2FLaw_of_Attraction)That is the most skeptical and unbalanced wiki I've seen in a while.. maybe they should call it

"new age scams *cough* law of attraction 101"
Yeah because children don't have to take any big responsibilities.Wow.. this statement is very telling :tongue:

I don't mean to ruin it for you.. but sometimes the adults act like children.. and the children have to take charge.. like taking care of the brother, buying food, working in the field.. so I think I'm saying yes they take on "responsibilities"
Who's saying adult cannot enjoy a visit to the dentist or a lecture? I do.Granted, I'm not saying a adult can't enjoy all of those.. but for example you'll only find children enjoying themselves at a funeral.. everyone else has to be somber or mourning or unhappy (it's the thing to do at these events.. you see? :D) save the irish :smile:
I said we've had many technological advancements in the past few centuries, which is no reason to suggest man is ''superior'' in the animal kingdom.The common nomenclature is that he is superior and at the top of the food chain because we are the most efficient killers/hunters..
That seems to be your view. You feel that way because many others have similar beliefs. It's like saying: If there would be 5 billion Muslims, it must mean Allah is doing his job well.No, not really.. I've always felt a change a acceleration in the world.. it's just my feeling..

You can argue with my feeling if you want too? :D

I offer the idea that it's not just me who gets this feeling.. but I don't care if you don't notice it.. you’re not the only one that doesn’t notice, after all :rolleyes:

Chrysaetos

02-01-2011, 02:27 PM

Yeah I am skipping some of your points. I see no point in constantly responding to assumptions made about me. Half of the time I am refuting assumptions.
I don't know exactly how the pyramids were made, but there is no reason to suggest they had ancient technology. There are so many pyramids in Egypt (and Sudan) and they are not all that sparkling. What we are looking at in Gizeh is the more refined stage.
Wow.. this statement is very telling :tongue: I don't mean to ruin it for you.. but sometimes the adults act like children.. and the children have to take charge.. like taking care of the brother, buying food, working in the field.. so I think I'm saying yes they take on "responsibilities" They do but they don't have to work and make a living. When you're a kid you go to school and afterwards you have all the free time to do what you like. No worries about the future. This is the case for an average child in the western world. They are in enjoyment because they have that space. But in some countries the children are almost slaves.
Granted, I'm not saying a adult can't enjoy all of those.. but for example you'll only find children enjoying themselves at a funeral.. everyone else has to be somber or mourning or unhappy (it's the thing to do at these events.. you see? :D) save the irish :smile:Maybe the child has no strong bond with the deceased. If it did it would probably sorrow as well.

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You might ''feel'' the world changes into a New Age paradise but feelings are subjective. Of course there are others that will believe similar stuff so that's a win-win situation for both involved (confirming each others beliefs).

themaster

02-01-2011, 03:02 PM

I don't know exactly how the pyramids were made, but there is no reason to suggest they had ancient technology. There are so many pyramids in Egypt (and Sudan) and they are not all that sparkling. What we are looking at in Gizeh is the more refined stage.Well, thanks for answering :smile:

Even though you may not have learned anything in our argument.. I learned something cool about the pyramids.. thanks :smile: They do but they don't have to work and make a living. When you're a kid you go to school and afterwards you have all the free time to do what you like. No worries about the future. This is the case for an average child in the western world. They are in enjoyment because they have that space.I don't agree with you at all.. if this was the case.. why are so many millionaire adults.. unhappy???

Why don't they smile.. I bet you if we sat down with 1 random kid and 1 random adult and we just counted the smiles on the kids faces vs. the adult..

We would have odds of the child smiles 10 times to 1 more than a adult..

That smile reflects a state of happiness and "inner peace" I bet you we could even chart based on age ranges when that smile disappears.. :D
Maybe the child has no strong bond with the deceased. If it did it would probably sorrow as well.Not necessarily.. you see I believe that "death is a bad thing" is a learned behavior from us the adults.. and if the child hasn't picked that up yet.. it will merrily have fun at a funeral all day long.. even if the funeral is their own mother :icon_eek:

Chrysaetos

02-01-2011, 03:07 PM

I don't agree with you at all.. if this was the case.. why are so many millionaire adults.. unhappy??? Don't know about that. Are they all famous? Do they work? Who are they?
Not necessarily.. you see I believe that "death is a bad thing" is a learned behavior from us the adults.. and if the child hasn't picked that up yet.. it will merrily have fun at a funeral all day long.. even if the funeral is their own mother :icon_eek:Maybe the child will not believe in death, but the mother is still gone so sooner or later the child will be in sorrow.
I don't think you'll find a child that talks easily and indifferent about the death of a parent, regardless of whatever belief.

I think we're getting slightly offtopic..:icon_wink:

grazier

02-01-2011, 03:20 PM

Yah, know grazier.. I'm pretty deep into "new age" theory/ideas.. but this seems a bit over the top..??

Do you have a date for when this is going to happen..?? because like you I'm also aware there is information under the "sphinx".. in fact right now excavations are going on around the "sphinx" many people think they'll find that information..

I think what I can say is your information doesn't resonate.. and may not be true for my reality :D However, I think your explanation sounds more like a miss-interpretation of what will happen :smile:

Hi themaster,

I did say that this was information that I have received through information given to me from the Messenger, corroborated by extraordinary events that have occurred during this earth life, recalled memories and information gleaned through studies.

I was given the information over a period of time. Have you read the Emerald Tablets by Thoth the Atlantean? (not the version on crystalinks but the real book obtainable from the White Temple) The importance isn't in the words it is more in the constantly building knowledge and vibrations which are different each time that you read it. It opens doors to the true aspirant.

I have had many collective consciousnesses teaching and guiding me throughout this incarnation, not just information and guidance but physical experiences to confirm the truth of what I am told and shown.

I have many recalled memories of Atlantis and also of the Crystal skulls. In the early 20's I was told that a skull would be found in Egypt, an Ancient one. Lo, Compassion was recovered. I knew nothing of that skull until the other week when it was posted on the Forums.

I know about Exodus because I am connected with him. I worked with him on Pleaides and again in Atlantis. He is the 'space'ship' that Thoth used to transport the High Priests from Atlantis to Egypt, which he placed under the Sphinx. I was the one that took it from the Sphinx. I had the knowledge of the key. I worked with him and when I died he was buried with me. My tomb was found and robbed and he was taken. He was shipped to America on the Titanic's maiden voyage, together with other artifacts from the tomb and now lays at the bottom of the ocean, waiting. How do I know this? Memories, corroborated by other people who knew and know nothing of the real reason for the things that have happened. People that I had never met before that also had visions that they didn't understand but I did.

This is my 'reality and truth' and it matters not who may or may not believe or understand it. It is put forward to help those with whom it resonates.

People who 'know' the ancient crystal skulls will understand, those from Atlantis will understand, but it does not and will not resonate with everyone. That is okay.

Talking about the Sphinx there have been soundings between the Sphinx and the Great Pyramid which shows underground passages and chambers far below the surface.

Blessings

grazier :hug3:

themaster

02-01-2011, 03:23 PM

Don't know about that. Are they all famous? Do they work? Who are they?There are many.. do you need me to dig up some articles for you?
Maybe the child will not believe in death, but the mother is still gone so sooner or later the child will be in sorrow.
I don't think you'll find a child that talks easily and indifferent about the death of a parent, regardless of whatever belief.Actually, your right.. I think many children do come to see the death of their parent(s) as a "lack"

But that is a society taught belief.. just as being taught to "cry" at a funeral.. and that death is a bad thing..

A time is coming "Chrysaetos" when people will learn that death is meaningless.. a time is coming when people won't treat death as a "lack" or a negative but as a great thing.. a celebration and they'll see it with much love..

I know, I know that time isn't here yet (except in rare parts of the world like "the irish" and weird native tribes) but I say to you one day on our planet.. most people may see it this way :wink:
I think we're getting slightly offtopic..:icon_wink:All the best threads go offtopic.. that's my way of seeing it.. I guess if you want to direct this train back on topic that's up to you..?

Chrysaetos

02-01-2011, 03:32 PM

But that is a society taught belief.. just as being taught to "cry" at a funeral.. and that death is a bad thing.. I think that's a very disrespectful thing to say, that sorrow is just ''taught''
Crying is a natural reaction. You go tell people at funerals that it's not and that they are just ''brainwashed'' by society.

I will leave it at that.

themaster

02-01-2011, 03:36 PM

Have you read the Emerald Tablets by Thoth the Atlantean? (not the version on crystalinks but the real book obtainable from the White Temple)Not that I'm aware.. do you have to do this by "astral travel"? Or is this a past life thing?

I assume it's not a real temple one fly's too and visits? :D
He is the 'space'ship' that Thoth used to transport the High Priests from Atlantis to Egypt, which he placed under the Sphinx.Yes, one of my teachers recently talked about the "spaceship" under the sphinx :smile:
I have many recalled memories of Atlantis and also of the Crystal skulls. In the early 20's I was told that a skull would be found in Egypt, an Ancient one. Lo, Compassion was recovered. I knew nothing of that skull until the other week when it was posted on the Forums.What's the deal with crystal skulls?

I mean I've read some stuff on it.. but I don't get it.. it's like a weird part of "new age" I don't understand.. or it makes me want to fall asleep or :rolleyes: :D

I guess, I'm just wondering if you could break it down better.. I mean I know about the atlantis crystal activations of 10-10-10 etc. and I understand there re-purposed role but I don't understand the "alien/crystal skulls" much at all..

Is it related to the seeding of earth by aliens? I mean.. I dunno.. feel like crystal skull stuff is way over my head.. and borrring and too weird.. dunno just how I feel.. :D
He was shipped to America on the Titanic's maiden voyage, together with other artifacts from the tomb and now lays at the bottom of the ocean, waiting.How exactly is the skull going to be pulled from the bottom of the ocean.. and when will it be pulled and the activation of the knowledge under the sphinx?

themaster

02-01-2011, 03:39 PM

I think that's a very disrespectful thing to say, that sorrow is just ''taught''
Crying is a natural reaction. You go tell people at funerals that it's not and that they are just ''brainwashed'' by society.

I will leave it at that.Disrespectful it may be.. (to you) my understanding of why we cry is cause we know the truth, that death is not a bad thing.. our emotional body cries to say this is not in alignment with our truth.. I believe that's my understanding :smile:

Gem

02-01-2011, 03:44 PM

Actually, they do.. but your also right.. they do observe and find "natural laws"

And no the math doesn't always add up.. they still can't figure out why there's a wobble in gravity.. they still don't have a clue what dark matter is even though it's 90% of the universe.. (hint dark matter is the metaphysical/spiritual/non-physical place.. per my understanding)

There are people that believe only in "science" and there so stringent.. that they call peoples liars.. when you say to them.. I saw a ufo, I remember my past life.. it's not too their face..

But they don't find a way to make that truth.. true for that person.. they don't have a model/theory..

I personally call "new age" information.. the theory of everything.. and so far it explains everything pretty darn well.. and when I find a few hold ups.. I just put them aside.. and surprisingly as I explore "new age" theory.. I suddenly find a solution for this problem..

It's actually the scientific method I used to get this deep into "new age" :D

I think when someone says to you I saw a ufo or I was reincarnated.. you have to have a theory that make sense of their truth.. (if you want to understand everything..?) commonly that theory for most people is.. "shh.. there crazy!" "they need a psychiatrist" "you were doing drugs" anything to not validate there truth...

They don't validate there truth.. and because they don't.. they don't have a theory to picture together everything..

But my version of "new age" theory can answer any question.. I was watching some documentary's and I watch movies too.. and sometimes I hear statements like..

"we just haven't figured that out yet"
"one day we'll know"
"were still working on it"
"why is there death? it's such a cruel world"

And I just laugh.. because I do have a answer or understanding for almost every single circumstance on the planet :smile: all the tough questions are answered for me.. and that knowingness can be for everyone.. and will be one day :smile:
Once again there's evidence.. it's just not understood right now by the people trying to observe and figure out the planet.. aka scientists
It was about 10,000 years ago.. and it was cities/continents that operated for 15,000 years..

That is my understanding of the history of the earth we now live on.. however.. all of time is right now.. I don't really understand the point of arguing about the past..??

Nothing about the past can be proved "empirically" everything is just a Guess and Conjecture.. there may be a "science of it" we could call it science of the OBVIOUS

Ohh.. we found this fragment of a pottery jar here.. that must mean it carried olives between Athens and Greece.. but it's still a #$^#$^ GUESS

All of history is just a GUESS.. cause none of us were there (or remember we were there :wink: ) so we teach the history of GUESS's

Now how stupid is that?

Pretty stupid.. also really stupid.. when we have the "akashic records" which has everything in it.. :D

No-one says science has explained everything and everyone says they haven't, and new age theory has a vast quantity of absolute nonsense.

It's by no means a guess, They accurately reconstruct things they find and can place them in an era because they have so much concurrent data. What I'm saying is Atlantean memories do not concur, and the word was coined by Plato.

I'm only saying there is no evidence of major continents being sunk 10000 years ago, and it seems extremely unlikely that such a cataclysm would occur leaving not a shred of evidence, and Atlanteans have vivid memories which exclude anything demonstatable or practical, their memories do not concur, and such ridiculous things are said I wonder who is actually 'stupid'.

But no-one doubts there were ancient civilizations around the globe... much of which is quite inexplicable.

Chrysaetos

02-01-2011, 05:11 PM

What I'm saying is Atlantean memories do not concur, and the word was coined by Plato.I have to agree. Without Plato every believer would have put the subject in another setting - be it Rome, Greece, Egypt.

This video I came across is also interesting.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN0-45qrAOw (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.youtube. com%252525252Fwatch%252525253Fv%252525253DbN0-45qrAOw)

Even though people come from totally different backgrounds they can still have the same ''experience''. The power we put in specific words, and the length of a word show that languages are not separated entities that came in a vacuum. And ''Atlantis''.. you need to be familiar with the name or else you can't place it within a context.

Neville

02-01-2011, 05:20 PM

The striations along the side of a Jemurian seed crystal are thought to stimulate our deeply buried genetic memories of our time here back then.

Gem

02-01-2011, 05:47 PM

I have to agree. Without Plato every believer would have put the subject in another setting - be it Rome, Greece, Egypt.

This video I came across is also interesting.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN0-45qrAOw (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%252525252525 25252Fwatch%25252525252525253Fv%25252525252525253D bN0-45qrAOw)

Even though people come from totally different backgrounds they can still have the same ''experience''. The power we put in specific words, and the length of a word show that languages are not separated entities that came in a vacuum. And ''Atlantis''.. you need to be familiar with the name or else you can't place it within a context.

The video seemed remarkable, but I think a proper experiment would test a thousand subjects and produce a statistical result.

I think perhaps he did test numerous people and included the most profound result in the show, which luckily was quite exact, but I would think such a result would be an anomoly in a proper experiment.

themaster

02-01-2011, 09:13 PM

I'm only saying there is no evidence of major continents being sunk 10000 years agoNot all of "atlantis" sank.. for example I believe where the fire crystals were stored was not below water at the time.. that was "arkansas", lake titicaca and "mount shasta"

Atlantis did not really sink.. it was destroyed by the "crystal energy" system created to give us power.. the crystal energy system was taken over by a "hitler" kind of dogma.. and some beings realized what was going on.. and secretly saved many of our best crystals which are still stored under the earth today.. (this is my understanding)

Each of these crystals is being activated until they will mostly be turned on.. on 12-12-12 I can point you to the article that describes this.. if you want to go through a fortuitous read?
and it seems extremely unlikely that such a cataclysm would occur leaving not a shred of evidenceEvidence is everywhere.. even visiting the crystals and some places underground is possible.. but it's kind of a one way journey right now.. go down and never comeback.. because the experience will make you into the "love" that you are this is my understanding..

Here's a simple evidence test.. open up inside your head to your higher self.. and ask did atlantis exist? then you can try was I there? (the answer may be yes)
and Atlanteans have vivid memories which exclude anything demonstatable or practical, their memories do not concur, and such ridiculous things are said I wonder who is actually 'stupid'..Okay, so people are liars? Got it.. that's a standard argument for anyone who can't validate another's truth..

I remind you that the world is a mirror.. call something outside of you a liar.. it reflects right back to you.. it creates mis-trust in your own space..

You have to understand one key element in all realities.. there's multiple dimensions per my teacher bashar (and even theorizing of our scientists) and because there are INFINITE multiple dimensions (yes, eddie murhpy did star in the ghostbusters.. just not here.. :tongue: ) and because there are INFINITE multiple dimensions there are also infinite descriptions and events for incarnations that were incarnated right now :D (a reminder that time is a illusion.. all incarnations be they hitler or plato are going on right this second :smile: )

Chrysaetos

02-01-2011, 09:37 PM

Here's a simple evidence test.. open up inside your head to your higher self.. and ask did atlantis exist? then you can try was I there? (the answer may be yes)By going ''inside'' with such thoughts you already influence the outcome, an example of forced confirmation bias.
Like visualising chakras and then claiming these visualisations are actual chakras.

No doubt many people who would take your test would see what they desire according to their understanding about Atlantis.

Sira

02-01-2011, 10:03 PM

Chrysaetos

02-01-2011, 10:09 PM

Chrysaetos, why don't you just have the intent to meditate and ask your guides to bring the wisdom of Lemuria or ... I was not even part of the Atlantean experience, it took a while to remember the name ... Atlantis.
Trust yourself. Don't ever look for answers from the outside, trust yourself. You have all the answers within yourself. Trust.
*Wishing you your highest guidance* <3Going ''inside'' and asking ''guides'' about ''Lemuria'' is exactly the same trick.

It works because our mind is focusing on that, and even if you go beyond the mind, that doesn't mean that those influences are suddenly cut off.
The brain doesn't stop functioning when you meditate.

Sira

02-01-2011, 10:22 PM

Chrysaetos, I know nothing of yourself. You are a vessel wanting to be of something but you don't see the way to go. Trust your inner guidance, trust your inner wisdom, trust yourself. Your messages are just empty words, trying to put hooks on people, just hooks. Become yourself. You will be so much more. You are ignorant but you veil yourself in the cloak of "wanting to know". Be who you are instead of what you veil to be.
We love you regardless. <3

themaster

02-01-2011, 10:23 PM

By going ''inside'' with such thoughts you already influence the outcome, an example of forced confirmation bias.
Like visualizing chakras and then claiming these visualizations are actual chakras.

No doubt many people who would take your test would see what they desire according to their understanding about Atlantis.This is my exact problem.. EGO's are always claiming that the imagination a part of them inside..

Is invalid.. it's like saying to yourself.. I have a pinky toe.. but your not there.. you don't exist?

Everything in the imagination is REAL.. even if you don't validate it's real.. it's still real..

When I said connect to your higher self and ask a question.. you opened up your imagination for one second had a PICTURE of your higher self.. but then you said no I don't validate this.. this is not REAL

And it's like shooting yourself in your own foot..

Chrysaetos you just wrote.. "i don't trust myself and my own internal functions there bad and imbalanced and not a part of me"

That's what you wrote? not me.. I'm just re-translating what I see.. I've heard many EGO's tell me you can't trust your emotions either.. there evil..

How do you feel about emotions Chrysaetos?

Do you know why you have emotions? Going ''inside'' and asking ''guides'' about ''Lemuria'' is exactly the same trick.

It works because our mind is focusing on that, and even if you go beyond the mind, that doesn't mean that those influences are suddenly cut off.
The brain doesn't stop functioning when you meditate.Certainly yours doesn't :tongue: :D

Though I do agree.. I have made many changes to how my "insides" work and my EGO/rational mind is still working during meditation.. which gets annoying cause were trying to do work here :D

Chrysaetos

02-01-2011, 10:35 PM

Chrysaetos, I know nothing of yourself. You are a vessel wanting to be of something but you don't see the way to go.
Trust your inner guidance, trust your inner wisdom, trust yourself. Your messages are just empty words, trying to put hooks on people, just hooks. You are ignorant but you veil yourself in the cloak of "wanting to know". Be who you are instead of what you veil to be. We love you regardless. <3 It's fine with me if you think my words are empty.
I'd appreciate it if you could address my points instead of poking me. :icon_wink:

Going ''within'' doesn't shut down the brain, I hope you take that in account.

Sira

02-01-2011, 10:43 PM

I grant you no response.

Chrysaetos

02-01-2011, 10:44 PM

Everything in the imagination is REAL.. even if you don't validate it's real.. it's still real.. Yes it is real... in our imagination.
Believing in purple bears or me believing that you are a teapot doesn't make it so! :tongue:
Chrysaetos you just wrote.. "i don't trust myself and my own internal functions there bad and imbalanced and not a part of me"I didn't say that nor implied that. We would first have to define what the ''I'' is before we could even examine the sentence you write above.
You are repeatedly trying to speak for me which is not appreciated. I kindly ask you not to do it again. That's what you wrote? not me.. I'm just re-translating what I see.. I've heard many EGO's tell me you can't trust your emotions either.. there evil.. How do you feel about emotions Chrysaetos? A wise man once said: ''I remind you that the world is a mirror.. call something outside of you a liar.. it reflects right back to you.. it creates mis-trust in your own space..'' :)

Don't know about emotions, I think we need specific examples/questions for that. It's too vague to know how we should ''feel'' about emotions as a whole..

themaster

02-01-2011, 11:03 PM

Yes it is real... in our imagination.
Believing in purple bears or me believing that you are a teapot doesn't make it so! :tongue:Actually, it does it's just your EGO and belief systems standing in the way.. that and a few other things like "group agreements" I'm simply saying the same thing I've said to you 100 times..

themaster: Broaden your horizons
Chrysaetos: No
themaster: Okay, then..
I didn't say that nor implied that. We would first have to define what the ''I'' is before we could even examine the sentence you write above.
You are repeatedly trying to speak for me which is not appreciated. I kindly ask you not to do it again.I simply re-translate what you say.. thanks for being a mirror to give me a chance to say that.. :smile:
A wise man once said: ''I remind you that the world is a mirror.. call something outside of you a liar.. it reflects right back to you.. it creates mis-trust in your own space..'' :)Yes, a wise man did say that.. :smile:

Chrysaetos

02-01-2011, 11:08 PM

Actually, it does it's just your EGO and belief systems standing in the way.. that and a few other things like "group agreements" I'm simply saying the same thing I've said to you 100 times..What is ''ego'' according to your definition?I simply re-translate what you say.. thanks for being a mirror to give me a chance to say that.. :smile: I consider deliberate misinterpreting and false quoting other people's messages abuse.themaster: Broaden your horizons
Chrysaetos: No
themaster: Okay, then.. I think you don't want to broaden your horizons.
You want to believe everything is automatically true (except what those who disagree with you say, ironically) and if it gets challenged then I am suddenly ''EGO''.

Summerland

02-01-2011, 11:28 PM

Anymore when someone ventures onto this thread and attempts to reach out a hand in friendship, it gets slapped and slapped hard. It is not even anywhere near the OP topic any longer. I don't believe that this was the intent of starting this thread. It has become about the two of you.

themaster

02-01-2011, 11:50 PM

What is ''ego'' according to your definition?Good question :smile:

The ego according to my teacher mainly does 2 things in 3rd dimension.. it's designed to have you "fit" in and to keep you safe.. it also becomes a all-encompassing tool/thought process to do everything in your life.. (when it was not designed to do everything) when you actually have 4 bodies to do that (there's more then that actually )

But the four bodies are..

Mental Body or ego
Emotional body (one that feeds you emotions)
Spiritual body.. (kind of a knowingness)
Physical body.. interested in sex, homing, protection etc.
I consider deliberate misinterpreting and false quoting other people's messages abuse.Abuse? You mean "wrong".. bad, right?

I don't share such a "definition" I believe any conversation in anyway.. can help.. this conversation were having might not help you.. but it may help others.. I mean to be helped we all have to choose.. it's free will baby.. :D

Also, I'm not afraid to explore all subjects in all ways.. which is why you hear me make statements about "duality" right and wrong that some people don't share.. or don't dare to make..
I think you don't want to broaden your horizons.
You want to believe everything is automatically true (except what those who disagree with you say, ironically) and if it gets challenged then I am suddenly ''EGO''.

It's cheap but it won't wash.Chrysaetos, I'm not trying to play "label" games.. nothing wrong with being a EGO.. I'm a EGO.. :smile: see I admit it, have no problem saying it..

To phrase again.. when I point out your EGO'ing (I observe it in you.. but if it doesn't feel true for you, doesn't resonate.. just ignore it) I'm really saying you have no balance with your other bodies.. the EGO or Mental Body is known to rule all the other bodies not even necessarily giving them time or opportunity..

It's to busy deciding what food to make, where to shop, how to plan that route, how to get mary's teeth fixed, how the universe works.. :D to make room for the other bodies.. so it's easy to say most peoples EGO's are imbalanced..

That is what I've said to you.. "I observe by conversing with you, your ego is imbalanced"

I have told you before.. I have a "theory of everything" would care to offer me your "theory of everything"?? and I ask specifically to validate all peoples truths.. to offer that no people are liars and that if there are cases of 100 or 1 billion people seeing ufo's remembering reincarnation etc. etc. that you validate that 1% of them must have some truth behind it..

I ask you to validate their truths.. I ask you to validate my truths.. if you cannot.. you don't have a "theory of everything" therefore you say.. "there is much we don't yet know and I reject any of these so called "new age" answers as nonsensical"

I will simply say the pyramids being built is a mystery.. I will simply say people who remember their past lives are a mystery.. I will simply say people who see ufo's are crazy *cough* I mean mystery.. :smile:

Summerland

03-01-2011, 04:31 AM

Back to the subject. I can't see that a great thread should be abandoned.

Plato was finishing a story that Solon had started after traveling to Egypt. Solon was the grandfather of Plato and began his story about 565B.C. The Egyptian word for Atlantis was "Etelenty" That name also appears in ancient books that were buried with the dead known as "Book of the Dead" in Egyptian tombs. The translation of that name means "the land that has been divided and submerged by water" Variations of this story was found in ancient Egypt.Their god of Wisdom, Thaut , is said to have declared in the Theban Recension of the Book of the Dead "The earth shall enter into the waters of the abyss of Nun, (the sea god ) by means of a raging flood and will become even as it was in the primeval time"
According to Plato, who was finishing his grandfathers story, Atlantis was home to many elephants. In 1967 Science magazine reported the discovery of THOUSANDS of elephant teeth from forty different underwater locations along the Azores-Gibraltor Ridge (underwater, of course).

Now, can we stop :argue: and actually talk about the original OP which I found very interesting ?

Chrysaetos

03-01-2011, 09:27 AM

According to Plato, who was finishing his grandfathers story, Atlantis was home to many elephants. In 1967 Science magazine reported the discovery of THOUSANDS of elephant teeth from forty different underwater locations along the Azores-Gibraltor Ridge (underwater, of course). Yes he mentioned elephants, and dwarf elephant bones have been found on Mediterranean islands.
I would like to see that source btw.

Gem

03-01-2011, 10:30 AM

I think they were widespread actually.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_elephant (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwik i%2FDwarf_elephant)

Summerland

03-01-2011, 02:14 PM

On a science forum that I am on, wikipedia is not considered as concrete evidence of anything as it is written by laypeople.
The department of Washington education has an article on it. www.seachild.net (http://www.seachild.net) is a resource dedicated to uncovering evidence of Atlantis. "Science Magazine" 1967 has the article about the teeth. I am not going to go through dozens of sites to sate your curiousity. If you are truly looking for answers and proof OF Atlantis, then do as researchers do and research on evidential proof FOR Atlantis.
I am reading a book on Atlantis since you both roused my curiousity as to "the facts, ma'am, only the facts". I am doing my own individual research as I suggest that you do.
I am only providing information for those who would be interested in having a few concrete facts to back up their instinct that Atlantis was a real place; perhaps not as old as we thought, perhaps not as large. It seems tho as if many say, "Oh, Plato was only writing a story; a metaphor for the decadence of Athens and how it contributes to a country's downfall." Referrences to Atlantis go much further back than Plato.

Chrysaetos

03-01-2011, 02:38 PM

Chrysaetos

03-01-2011, 03:38 PM

perhaps not as old as we thought, perhaps not as large. Well yes that sounds more sensible.

It seems tho as if many say, "Oh, Plato was only writing a story; a metaphor for the decadence of Athens and how it contributes to a country's downfall." Referrences to Atlantis go much further back than Plato. Plato was the first to write about ''Atlantis''.
Other sources were inspired by his account.

I wouldn't say Plato's story was just a metaphor. Ancient texts often contain both metaphors and societal concerns.
It's clear from other sources that Socrates was concerned with the ideal state.

We can't know if he spoke the truth about Atlantis, or if he even spoke about it at all.
As ancient texts often contain both metaphors and societal concerns, and historical events (which are of course influenced by oral culture),
I think the story about Atlantis is a mixture that has a metaphorical purpose and a historical account (Santorini).

Summerland

03-01-2011, 03:39 PM

The site you give is interesting but not that 'scientific' as it claims. It uses folklore and subjective interpreting mythology to validate its ideas. That's guess work, not science. The comments about geology are a joke. Continents don't vanish to the depths of the ocean. Further on the author makes ignorantium arguments; ''if something is not known to be false, it must be true''.

It contains a lot of hearsay, this and that person said this and that in the 50's and 60's. Hearsay and guess work is not science.

What credentials do you have, C, that you are able to claim that science is not science unless you agree with it? Never mind. I was hoping that someone else would be able to discuss this subject instead of the same merry-go-round. I see that is not going to be possible.
Jesus is mythology, but millions would flay you alive if you say that he wasn't alive. Again, Troy was only mythology until it was discovered by Heinrich S. Many temples that have been submerged under the encroaching ocean were only legends until deepsea divers found them. White man was only a prophesy among Native Americans, So Americans tribes until the white man showed up and decimated them , plundered their wealth , burnt their writings, destroyed temples and entire villages, raped their women and children and made slaves out of the remaining population. Some myth, huh?
This time I am done trying on this thread totally. Until you and others are standing on the actual Atlantis ground, you will never believe. I gave some sources, but those are not scientific enough for you, even tho some of them lead to verification from other science journals. What more can a person do or even WANT to do? Find or don't find your own answers.

Chrysaetos

03-01-2011, 03:49 PM

What credentials do you have, C, that you are able to claim that science is not science unless you agree with it? There is a difference between science and pseudoscience.
And there's also a difference between everyday use of the word ''theory'' and a scientific theory.

Hearsay, interpretation of mythology, speculation etc. are not scientific.
Jesus is mythology, but millions would flay you alive if you say that he wasn't alive. That doesn't sound good! Yes Jesus too, we can't know whether he existed. But we have more ancient sources that speak about him compared to Atlantis.Again, Troy was only mythology until it was discovered by Heinrich S. Many temples that have been submerged under the encroaching ocean were only legends until deepsea divers found them. True, but Troy wasn't a huge continent or a technologically advanced civilisation that vanished to the depths of an ocean in the blink of an eye.

Summerland

03-01-2011, 04:00 PM

Chrysaetos

03-01-2011, 04:22 PM

Done, finished. You twist words, chop apart posts. I am not wasting one more bit of my energy on this with you. I am not the one requiring the proof; you are. I have no more need to prove this to you than I need to prove that the Universe sings. :thumbsup: I dealt with your last part and your first part in my first part. Which words were twisted?

I've done my homework on Atlantis. Actually, I even have two books about the subject that are eating dust.
Yeah I'm the one who requires empirical proof! :D

Toodles.

Kaere

03-01-2011, 04:59 PM

This is supposed to be a discussion on Atlantis and Lemuria - please keep your discussion restricted to the topic, and not each other.

Lynn

03-01-2011, 07:10 PM

Hello all

Since this be a thead that I started I have the need to affectionately wonder back in and bring what I stared back to the place we started.

I feel there are new members now here and that there is great value in what did ask as many of us feel a real draw to those times and places.

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Questions about Atlantis and Lemuria

Can tangible evidence of for the existence of Atlantis be found in the World today ?

It is said to be in many places around the World one newer theory is off the coast of Florida ?

Where do ye think it is / or do ye think it even exists to be found ?

I have to wonder if it was maybe here for a time but not created by the “men” that are of the Earth but of a civilization that visited our Earth. I do not feel we are alone in the existence we are that we have had visits from other Worlds that have lead us on a path.
　

　
　
　
　
If Atlantis did exist then how long do ye think it existed for ?

How do ye view the existence of something or some place ?

It could well be that ye see it as being a physical living and thriving city, or it could be that ye see it as existing as we still talk on it and have knowledge of it.
When does something start and stop in existence ?

Is it when the last person there leaves or dies off or it when there is no one left to remember it ?
　

Was there a continent of Lemuria ?

Is it possible that there is a lost continent one that sank to the Ocean bottom?
We do know that the Earth has plates that move so could this have maybe sunk an Island continent ?

Many claim to have past lives memories to this place but is it
Real or something one wants to be real ?
　

Lynn

I hope one's will respect in that I have a passion for this topic.

norseman

03-01-2011, 07:26 PM

As I posted earlier, the clever thing about Plato's tale is that there is a core of truth involving "earthquakes", surnami, and the ultimate destruction of a civilisation. The difference is that "Atlantis" was Crete and the civilisation that went under the waves was the Minoan culture - date, around 1400 BC. The destruction of the culture was not a single event but a series of events over a period.
To summarise, Santorini was a nearby island with a central caldera of a DORMANT volcano which had successive active episodes. The Minoan cities on Santorini were the first to go through volcanic eruptions and some ash plumes reached as far as Crete. During one active period, the caldera wall collapsed allowing the sea into the active volcano - major explosion and surnami which completed the job. The Minoan Culture was dominant in the eastern Med. but actually quite fragile in that it lacked the natural resources to allow a self-sufficient society in Crete. A fragile balance which was readily disturbed. Technologically, the Minoan culture was typical Bronze Age - no "magic" power sources, no arcane knowledge - good sailors and traders though.
Plato took these facts to embellish his Atlantis fable.

Lemuria was a hypothesised supercontinent which MIGHT have existed in the Atlantic basin at one time. The hypothesis is based on plotting continental drift backwards. Likewise, it is hypothesised that there was a single landmass - a supermega continent if you like - Gondwanaland - in the Indian Ocean basin. The key word is HYPOTHESISED !

My point is that history and geology is much more fascinating and exciting that any "fairy" stories.

Greenslade

04-01-2011, 05:13 AM

I hope one's will respect in that I have a passion for this topic.
It's like an itch you can't scratch, something nibbling away inside that you can't put your finger on. Me too:smile:

Hello all

Since this be a thead that I started I have the need to affectionately wonder back in and bring what I stared back to the place we started.

Personally, I'm done with this "no it wasn't/yes it is" stuff. It's easy to poo-poo anything. There's evidence to suggest that Atlantis was in Scotland - not too far away from where I live as it goes. It wouldn't be too difficult to take that and blow it away because there isn't empirical proof that it ever existed there. If you take that perspective as a possibility then you can see why there isn't much proof, because what it shows is evidence of something akin to nuclear war.

I feel there are new members now here and that there is great value in what did ask as many of us feel a real draw to those times and places.
It's not done yet. Perhaps there will always be those people who read about Atlantis and think "Oh wow, that's so cool I must have been there", but there will always be those who have a genuine affinity with what they read.

When does something start and stop in existence ?
Is it when the last person there leaves or dies off or it when there is no one left to remember it ?
Was there a continent of Lemuria ?
Is it possible that there is a lost continent one that sank to the Ocean bottom?
We do know that the Earth has plates that move so could this have maybe sunk an Island continent ?
Many claim to have past lives memories to this place but is it
Real or something one wants to be real ?
Lynn

I'm not sure about Lemuria being honest. It's never really figured as a place or a time for me but there are those that will swear blind it was there. I often wonder if what they call Lemuria is a name for another place I remember in a time before Atlantis.

There has been any amount of stuff about where Atlantis was, even to it being in Scotland. As I remember Atlantis, it wasn't just one big city but pretty much the whole planet. When people are uncovering what they believe is the location of Atlantis, what I believe is that they are uncovering evidence of Atlantean culture. If they were capable of high-speed travel, wouldn't that make the earth a very much smaller place? Once upon a time the best we could do was to walk and now look. You can use a plane to commute and suddenly the earth is a much smaller place, so imagine if you could fly across the globe in next to no time at all? Some would say that there would be evidence of great cities everywhere, but that's human thinking and not Atlantean thinking. The Atlanteans were much smaller in numbers than humans are today so they had no need of great cities everywhere, on top of that they wouldn't feel the need to leave their mark on nature the same as we do. Perhaps they worked more with nature rather than against it. There's evidence to say that Atlantis in Scotland was literally blasted out of existence, if that's the case then was there a concerted effort to wipe everything Atlantean off the face of the earth? Put tectonic shifts on top of that - possibly caused by the same war - and it's not hard to imagine why there's a lack of evidence.

I had my memories 'come to light' before I even knew the word 'Atlantis'. I had visions, memories, piles of Past Life stuff long before I started reading about Atlantis. Reading about it from other sources was confirmation for me. When you talk to people and share memories, and both of you are telling the same story? When your memories resonate so deeply with someone else? Physical evidence be damned, there has to be something in that. When someone starts off with "You're going to think I'm crazy but....." then you sit there and listen to them rattle off something that you've had verified by so many people before that? To me that's evidence in itself. I had a dream about Atlantis one night, then a few months later a woman called Carole Chapman wrote about exactly the same thing in a book, only the perspectives were different - obviously. There has to be something there other than a mere passing fantasy of a cool place you would have liked to be in.

I've had my 'guide' rattling around in my head these past few days, always with the same words. (Yes Summer, it is he lol) He says "Atlantis is doing its job". Atlantis IS doing it's job and not Atlantis HAS DONE its job. I believe we're going about this whole Atlantis thing the wrong way. I don't believe Atlantis is about great cities and advanced cultures - although that's what it was then. I believe the Spirit of Atlantis is alive and kicking.

themaster

04-01-2011, 06:10 AM

Can tangible evidence of for the existence of Atlantis be found in the World today?Yes and no.. even if we found something cool today like a "underwater" temple.. there would still be doubters.. they'd say it was something else not "atlantis"

Changing peoples perceptions or limiting beliefs takes time.. and lots of energy :DIt is said to be in many places around the World one newer theory is off the coast of Florida?According to metatron/tyberonn

Atlantis is indeed the missing link of Pangaea, located in mid AtlanticSource.. http://spiritlibrary.com/earth-keeper/earth-keeper-chronicles/the-fall-of-atlantis-revisited-the-crystalline-field-of-10-10-1

Even though this source above is tainted (from my point of view) with a few judgment issues (you’ll note he says we were wrong/bad as “hitler” we created monsters that we now call today the yeti) I think you’d find the story enlightening if you can sit through it and read it.. it has many details and facts like the fountain of youth (that we thought was in florida) still exists today and is flowing into the ocean near bimini (I don’t think it’s waters give eternal life though :D)

This is one of many of tyberonn/metatron channels about atlantis.. each of them have pieces of information in them that could be used for actually finding things.. however, I leave you to find the facts for yourself in reading the stories.. I don't care to prove its existence with my time or energy :rolleyes: :D

themaster

04-01-2011, 06:12 AM

Was there a continent of Lemuria?Yes, I believe so.. if I remember what "kryon" said about it correctly.. it was in what we now call "hawaii" which used to have much less water around it..

I will quote you some bashar it will have a few answers.. for purposes of making things tangible I make break my posts up..
Remains of Atlantis and Lemuria

Q: Was Atlantis in our density vibration?

B: Yes.

Q: So the ruins could be found on the ocean floor?

B: Of what little there are.

Q: Why are there so little remains?

B: The destruction was quite total, and there has been much passage of time and much erosion. There are a few, and a few have already been found.

Q: Where?

B: In what you call the Bahamas.

Q: Ah ha. And how about Lemuria, would that be the same?

B: Lemuria will be less likely, although what you call the manifestation of Hawaii and Easter Island will be, to some degree, manifestations of the idea of Lemuria still remaining.

Q: What, with those big heads on Easter Island?

B: Yes.

Q: They were Lemurian?

B: Yes, yes, yes, yes. (Audience laughter)

Q: Ok, big heads. (Laughter) Thank you.

B: Oh, thank you.

Easter Island and the Connection to Mars

Q: Easter Island, we were talking about it before...

B: Yes.

Q: ... so where did all the statues come from?

B: From the native inhabitants, the idea being, however, that the origination of the statues occurred when the land mass was bigger, and there were more inhabitants. And it was the remnant of a more ancient civilization that you understand as Mu.

Q: Yes, Lemuria.

B: Yes.

Q: Are they all... I mean there must have been a lot of inhabitants to do all those statues?

B: There were, and you are, of course, not seeing all the statues that there were.

Q: Yes, I understand that.

B: Many of them were submerged.

Q: And what was the purpose of putting them all over, like that? I mean, this is the thing that, you know, archeologists and geologists have tried to figure out. What is the purpose... like, they’re facing out to the ocean and. Do you know what I’m talking about?

B: There were different purposes at different times as the civilization changed. But, in general, the fundamental purpose remained the same, and that was it was utilized to function as an identifier or a resonance marker, to put them in touch with the collective. Because it represented an archetypal aspect of their collective consciousness, shall we say, a basic generalization of the physical form -- the idea of a presentation of a face. This helped them resonate to the idea of the collective consciousness. Also, if you will pay attention, there are a great deal of similarities to the idea of those faces to that which you call the Face on Mars.

Q: Yes.

B: The idea being, that these beings were among the first early incarnations from the ancient Martian times, once the planet became uninhabitable. And they re-created that idea for the same reason, fundamentally, that the face exists on Mars, to function as a resonance identifier. To allow there to be a physical symbolic representation of the ability of an individual, when staring into that face, to become immediately connected to the collective consciousness of the whole population or tribe, if you like.

Q: And to what degree is our collective consciousness connected to Mars? In the sense that we’ve talked about Christ or Sananda or Buddha nature...

B: Yes.

Q: ... being like the Christ spirit of the planet Earth.

B: Yes.

Q: All right, now what is the.... do you know what I’m talking about, the Christ nature, or Christ spirit?

B: Understood. The world spirit idea, yes.

Q: Yes.

B: Well, it has become interwoven, in that there are now, of course, a multitude of incarnations from the old Martian civilization on your Earth at this time, for many cycles now. So, of course, you brought with all of you the idea of your world spirit and blended it, part and parcel, into the idea of the world spirit, now, of Earth. But more specifically, it was represented by the world spirit notion that has remained in your civilization – one of the closest approximations of which is, what you call, Quetzalcoatl.

Q: Oh, Quetzalcoatl.

B: Yes. That would be closer to the Martian representation of the world spirit as they understood it. But, of course, it has now become intimately blended with the overall world spirit that has become what you now know as the world spirit of Earth. But that aspect still remains discrete, if you wish to call it out, so to speak.

Q: And these beings that you’ve referred to in the past, Quetzalcoatl... are we to understand now that they’re from Mars? The ones that are meant to act in Mexico City...

B: No, no, not from Mars, the idea is that they exemplify, as an extraterrestrial vibration, the frequency of the Martian world spirit, to some degree. Which is almost identical to what you call the indigenous native world spirit of your planet.

Q: Yes, and where are these beings, per se, where are they from?

B: No, no, no, not yet. (Audience laughter)

Q: All right then, thanks a lot.

B: Thank you.

themaster

04-01-2011, 06:31 AM

This one is really good.. describes how we created this reality as it is.. with my knowledge I already know this story.. but here bashar wrote it out/channeled it for youBASHAR:
Channeled by
Darryl Anka

ATLANTIS
JAN 1997

Bashar: Now approximately 25,000 of your years ago, in what you term to be Atlantis, or in their dialect Atalundi, you will have found that the idea of separation of the self from the ‘creatorhood’ began in earnest, though it had appeared upon your planet before that. You will find, now, there was the choice within the mass consciousness of that era to determine for themselves that they were, in this way, not needing the integration of the self to the All That Is, but that they could exercise their power directly in such a manner as to separate themselves from the totality of All That Is, so that they could recognize themselves in a more, I'll say, personalized way as being the creator. This stemmed from the projection of spirit into material form. As it continued, as spirit continued to project into material form, in and of itself, was the definition of separation, limitation to a certain degree. Thus, the more spirit experienced the idea of material form or physical reality, slowly, in a sense, but as you say surely, became used to the energy patterns. They began to sense ideas, feelings, emotionality, thoughts, beliefs that they had heretofore not encountered within non-physicality. They began to create the idea of fascination with the limitation, and in so doing, allowed themselves to become enmeshed, locked in, so that they could experience all that there was to experience in that mode as well as every other mode that had been experienced within All That Is of non-physicality. Thus, they became use to, or as you say, created the habit of expressing themselves in material ways, again, through emotionality, and thought, and belief, rather than knowingness. Atlantis / Halloween

Questioner: You said something about Halloween being connected to the destruction of Atlantis?

B: Yes, from your ancient times, All Hallows Eve, or Halloween, represents the day before the destruction of Atlantis. November 1 is the day of destruction, and November 2 is the day after. In some of your religious vernacular these days translate into All Hallows Eve, All Souls Day and All Saints Day, and are the idea of the destruction of your Atlantean land mass approximately 11 to 12 thousand years ago.

The issue you are dealing with on your Earth at this time is connected
strongly to both the planet Maldek destroying itself long ago and a
repetition of the cycle of Atlantis, although on a smaller scale than Maldek.

In your current time frame the United States represents the idea of the replay of Atlantis, for you have much of the same technology and the same position in relation to politics around the world. Also you have many of the same individuals from Atlantis who have now re-instructed themselves to the point of deciding whether or not they will destroy the world again.

You all chose to be here in this transformational age to see that you do NOT replay Atlantis and destroy yourselves and your Earth this time around.
Atlantean Connections

Q: How far back do the Whales go in our civilization?

B: In what you would recognize as their present form, they go back not really so much farther than one hundred fifty million of your years.

Q: And you have talked about how three hundred thousand years ago the Anunnaki came, and they helped with some genetic mutations to form our present civilization in Africa.

B: Yes.

Q: Did that civilization go down because of a pole shift?

B: There have been some civilizations, such as Lemurian civilizations, that did succumb, to some degree, to some of the electromagnetheric and geological changes that have occurred on your planet from time to time, yes, now and then.

Q: When Lemuria went down did some of the individuals go to a place on Atlantis called Udall?

B: There were migrations to, what you call, the Atlantean Island chain. We do not recognize the particular vibrational name you have stated.

Q: How many islands were there on Atlantis?

B: At different times there were different amounts, originally there were about two large landmasses and a few very small islands. Then it was broken up over time in geological changes into about five, and then actually, at one time, there were about seventeen. But there have always been about three major landmasses for about the last fifty thousand to seventy thousand of your years.

Q: Was there any blending between the Atlanteans and the Lemurians when Lemuria went down?

B: Yes, and Atlantis was a colonization offshoot of Lemuria to begin with.

Q: And did they eventually end up in South America as well as other places?

B: Yes. Egypt, South America, North America, Northern Europe.

Q: Did they form the Inca race?

B: Inca is a much later offshoot and an admixture with other things, so is Aztec. Some of the earlier, earlier, earlier forms of Mayan were more closely related to some of the original Atlantean stock.

Q: And was the grain Quinoa or Amaranth an Atlantean or Lemurian grain?

B: Atlantean, as was maize. As is the present form of domestication of the animal and the breeding of the animal you recognize now as a cat. This was begun, this kind of breeding into the arrival of the domesticated form, in Atlantean times, of the cat. Thank you.

Q: Thank you.

Summerland

04-01-2011, 02:47 PM

Summerland

04-01-2011, 02:50 PM

Lynn, thank you so much for resurrecting this thread. :hug: It has been a passion and quest for me since I was 7 or 8 years old. :angel8:

star-child

04-01-2011, 07:20 PM

Hello all, I have been very interested in Atlantis since reading a book by Diana Cooper who speaks a lot about it. She has a very good Atlantis question and answer page on her site - http://www.dianacooper.com/2012atlantisascension/atlantis/aboutatlantis.html

Recently I stumbled across two people on YouTube who speak about their past life regressions to Lemuria and Atlantis.

If you are interested then give them a watch:
Lemuria part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLAAmXhpF0Q
Lemuria part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jTDot5M81A

This person has a whole series called The Awakening. It's very interesting and part of this series is his regression to Atlantis:
Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/user/ReeceJones87#p/u/37/tCalHtiloms
Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/user/ReeceJones87#p/u/36/O-Npv33a8M8 (witnesses downfall)

Star-Child.

Lynn

04-01-2011, 07:56 PM

Hello

I put forth some random thoughts I have. Just let things freely flow. Nothing is right and nothing is wrong. Would be wonderous to know the mysteries of the World.

Atlantis is a legendary island the first mentions of it go to writings by Plato. When one talks on something being legend then one thinks on it not existing. One has to wonder if myths and legends do not have some basis in fact. We seem to hold to them strongly and we seem to see them come up and up over and over as history goes along. This too is often from pre written history. WHY ?

We know that the Earth shifts and that there are quakes that split land away or cause the oceans to rise and put it under water. We too know that things like volcanic activity make new lands. It is possible that an island land mass did sink. That the ocean might have claimed it. We know that layers of sediment cover over many things.

Where I find things interesting is when we get to the 19th Century. While the old writings of the Greek scholars are interesting it was still to me a time of worships and beliefs that do not hold up in more modern times. Too Atlantis is but one lost civilization. We can go to the Mu and Lemuria. We too have lost civilizations that we have uncovered on the land that still exists. The Mayan comes to mind. Where it seems to have just vanished. Now did they or is there maybe more logical explanation that one’s simply used up the resources there and moved on , or that a natural disaster took it out and like in our modern times a natural disaster take some place down.

I have read Edgar Cayce and his ideas to there being more highly advanced civilizations where they were way more advanced than man could have been then. There has been talk on crystal cities and even golden cities. We know from Ancient Egypt that Gold was used on even the walls. Gold has been used Churches and other buildings so would a crystal city be that much of a stretch ? It might well have just something that there was a lot of around. Common stone there maybe.

Going way out on the limb would be to maybe think along inter dimensions. Where for a time we are able to see into that whole in space and time. Where maybe such civilizations did in fact exist but just on our plane. We still talk of things such as Pegasus and Dragons. It is not that far of a stretch to feel they were once maybe real. Too the other out there idea is that we are not alone in the vastness of the Universe and that maybe man might be seeds from another place that were placed on the Earth. Could it have been a civilization that came here for time to interact with us and then went back home or were taken back home. There are lost of cases where man seemed to be more advanced in areas an then took what seemed to be steps backwards.

Will we ever find hard based facts and if one did find evidence of a lost continent there would still be room for debate on what it really was. We can do things like Carbon Date things but to that is open to great debates.

Lynn

themaster

04-01-2011, 10:25 PM

Will we ever find hard based factsThe hard facts will be in, when we stop putting our power into EXTERNAL evidence in the world and all focus our power in our "inside" connection.. then all answers and knowledge will be given.. and you'll go "ohh" for having access to a gigantic wiki database of realities and facts

The hard fact is Atlantis exists today.. not yesterday or tomorrow (though those count too) the fact is a version of Atlantis was destroyed another wasn't.. all realities exist at the same time and they always will.. Atlantis was not destroyed 10,000 years ago.. it was destroyed this second and another one survived :D

None of that is provable really to the ego, however to a heart based connection to all that is anything is possible

Greenslade

05-01-2011, 09:17 AM

Greenslade, maybe what someone is trying to tell you,( if you would listen before he thumps you on the head with his pipe) is this: The SPIRIT of Atlantis is rising from the depths of the ocean. And all the souls who remember it and what it originally entailed, are reconnecting their energies. Those who were there are linking on the spiritual level and making a grid around the world of that energy. Regardless of WHERE it was, the energy and essence is what draws us to our memories and to each other. Perhaps that is the most important aspect of Atlantis.:hug3:

Thank you, Summer. That's what I've been trying to say and TheMaster kinda confirms that a little. It's easy to criticise its existence through a perceived lack of evidence, but for me the evidence is of a different kind to what most are looking for. Many are looking for buildings or artefacts they can hold in their hands or point to and say "That's Atlantean". What about the connections people feel, or the list of regressions Star-Child has posted? If regressions are done under hypnosis, are those people lying or relating some kind of fantasy? I'm no expert but I wouldn't think so.

Lynn, all legend is based on fact somewhere along the line. It's similar to children's stories where fanciful notions can have a deeper meaning. Like the rhyme about magpies - one for sorrow, two for joy? If you take a child through the rhyme they end up counting up to ten. Magpies are flocking birds and mate for Life, so one is for sorrow because being alone is bad news for a magpie. Two is for joy because it has a mate for Life. A legend is also coloured by its culture and the story-teller, who might try and make it more palatable for the audience. Remember they came about through illiterate people who had to pass it down through word of mouth. But to my mind there's a bit missing from the process. Would a story-teller colour the story to make it more palatable then teach the audience its true meaning?

After the fall of Atlantis, I believe the Atlanteans went to different locations on the earth or were already in different locations. There's evidence of Atlantean culture in Scotland and its legend tells of giants and the like. There's also areas that look as though they've been nuked - evidence of an advanced culture's war. Thoth is supposed to have been an Atlantean according to both the Egyptians and his Emerald Tablets. Apparently he had advanced sound technology that was used in building - perhaps the same thing that brought down the walls of Jericho. The Sumerians talk of spacemen in their ships, of a people who came from the east and gave them civilisation. That same theme is echoed over and over. Even their gods were very similar, different names (obviously to fit in with the culture) but the exact same roles. This was before history says these cultures could possibly have met. There was an inscription found on a Mayan temple, confirmed to have been carved there the day it was built. It said "Tao T'ien". Tao is 'The Way' as in the Tao Te Ching. T'ien means Heaven. I have a huge slab of a book where the authors have written about all the similarities with the cultures - too many to be mere coincidence.

The Atlanteans would not have used the resources and moved on. They worked in harmony with their environment. What there is evidence of is a comet that hit the earth, shifting of the tectonic plates as you've mentioned, and a nuclear-like war. Whether there was a war or if it was systematic destruction of all that came before is speculation. I believe that if it was war it was planned to happen that way. Part of Atlantis' 'job' was to anchor high dimensional (you touched on that so there's confirmation. More to come :-) beings into the third. If a - for example - sixth/seventh dimensional being came to Atlantis as was slowly 'converted' and their frequencies lowered, Atlantis being there was still a connection back to where they came from. Take Atlantis out of the equation and they have to get on with it. Stranded, essentially.

The Atlanteans didn't value money - they didn't even use it. Gold was used for its properties rather than as a currency or as a status symbol. Gold is a pretty good conductor of electricity. Also bear in mind the human body is a carbon-based bag of water. And being carbon-based, it's not too far from crystal. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember that the structure of crystal is very similar to the structure of the carbon in our bodies. Gold would have been pretty common, and there are huge crystal deposits in Arkansas. Becker-Hagens also figures Arkansas in its grid system.

Becker-Hagens Atlantean connection. http://www.crystalinks.com/grid2000b.gif I wonder if any of the points on the map would correspond to possible locations of Atlantis? Bear in mind the grid is not an exact representation, the grid moves in the same way as magnetic north does.

If you're going out on that limb, Lynn, shift your tail over a bit and make room for me. It's just what I've been thinking about these last couple of days, and I've got a guy sitting waving a pipe at me and a cheesy grin on his face in my head. Atlantis operated at a range of different frequencies - it had to. There were beings there not just from different galaxies but also from different dimensions. If beings came from different dimensions to be integrated into the third then it had to be capable of resonating at those different frequencies. "Atlantis is waiting for you" is what the voice is saying. Perhaps if 2012 theories are to be believed (or some of them at least) and we are moving into the fifth/sixth dimension, perhaps we will again walk through those gates and go sit by the dolphin pool. We get a glimpse of higher dimensions in dreams and astral travel, perhaps in our imaginations and when we mediumistically connect with Spirit. And according to a Bashar channelling (good stuff, master) if we can imagine it then it's real.

I also get the feeling that this will give Grazier an opening :-)

There was a part of Atlantis that - for want of a better expression - went back to where it came from. I get the feeling that it went somewhere else to do the same job, and that when we are able to perceive and resonate we will find fellow Atlanteans all over the galaxy. It would be naive to think we are the only ones or that we were the first. I also believe that there was a systematic destruction of the culture on this planet in this dimension for a reason, whether that was war or planned. But I also believe the Spirit of Atlantis is still here in the people who resonate with it and will one day find it again. I have to go with themaster on this one - "however to a heart based connection to all that is anything is possible"

cvs

10-01-2011, 05:19 PM

I have no doubt that Atlantis was very very real!

Just because it hasn't been found means nothing, who's to say it didn't descend into the earths magma?

Chrysaetos

10-01-2011, 05:30 PM

Just because it hasn't been found means nothing, who's to say it didn't descend into the earths magma? Hmm a big continent or island, being fully taken by the sea, then ''descend into the earth's magma''... just a few thousand years ago.. without any traces left behind.. Ehhrr..

We can find some of the most reclusive rainforest animals, learn about million years old time periods, yet we can't find this human paradise.

A volcanic eruption that may have inspired the myth of Atlantis was up to twice as large as previously believed, according to an international team of scientists. The eruption occurred 3,600 years ago on the Santorini archipelago, whose largest island is Thera. Santorini is located in the Aegean Sea about 125 miles (200 kilometers) southeast of modern-day Greece (map of Greece (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.national geographic.com%252525252Fxpeditions%252525252Fatla s%252525252Findex.html%252525253FParent%252525253D europe%2525252526amp%252525253BRootmap%252525253Dg reece%2525252526amp%252525253BMode%252525253Dd%252 5252526amp%252525253BSubMode%252525253Dw)).http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/08/060823-thera-volcano.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fnews.nationa lgeographic.com%252525252Fnews%252525252F2006%2525 25252F08%252525252F060823-thera-volcano.html)