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stormdancer
05-10-2010, 12:34 AM
Aside from the tricks of the movie or TV witch, usually accomplished with special camera techniques, there is no reason why any woman who puts her mind to it and learns the proper method cannot become a full-fledged witch in accord with popular conception. Only those who either do not know the means to success or are too stubborn to use them, once having been told, will persist in defining themselves as witches by using the sanctimonious definition of so-called 'White Witches' working for 'the benefit of mankind.' There will always be those who, furtively desiring personal power but unable to do anything about gaining it, devise their own definition of what a witch should be like, seeing to it, of course, that their definition fits themselves.

The 'White Witch' is the by-product of an emergence in England of an above-ground witchcraft interest at a time when witchcraft was still technically illegal. In order to pursue the 'craft' without harassment and prosecution, the spokesmen for witchcraft attempted to legitimize and justify what they were doing by proclaiming the existence of 'white' witchcraft. 'White' witchcraft, it was stated, was simply a belief in the religion of the old wise ones, or 'wicca'. The use of herbs, charms and healing spells was only employed for beneficial purposed.

It was to be believed that the kind of witches that were dangerous to have were 'black' witches. These were supposedly evil in their pursuits and worshiped Satan. The fact that the 'good' or 'white' witches employed a horned god in their ceremonies was justified because it 'doesn't represent the Devil!'.

Of course, no one admitted to practicing witchcraft ceremonies of any kind. Anything that was associated with witchcraft was pursued in the name of 'study' or 'research'. This was the climate in England between 1936 and 1951.

With the repeal of English witchcraft laws in 1951, all of the underground witches started creeping to the surface, and as their eyes became accustomed to the light of sudden legality, they ventured forth. Unused to such freedom and heavy with stigma of illegality, they went about shouting 'White Witchcraft' even louder than ever, as if expecting at any moment to be snared by a heretic hook.

About this time, interest in the occult was becoming popular in the U.S., so naturally attention was focussed on the British Isles with its rich heritage in all matters ghostly and fanciful. As might have been expected, newly emerged English Witches saw the U.S. as a fertile stamping ground for safe recognition of their 'witchiness'.

'White witch' became a definitive term and thousands who wouldn't touch the practice of witchcraft with a ten foot broomstick found conscience-redeeming opportunity to follow the 'art' by using the new rules of the game. Regardless of what these people would like to believe, the image of the witch has been stigmatized for centuries. All witches were considered to be agents of the Devil, antagonistic to scriptural teachings, and a direct part of the dark side of nature. As there is always a relative outlook as to what is good and what is evil, once witchcraft emerged from its 'all evil' state into neutral territory, a differentiation was bound to occur. The righteous, of course, will always wear the mantle of 'good', 'white light', 'spiritual' and varying shadows of holiness.

An analogy might be made concerning 'white' and 'black' witches. Let us assume that warfare had, for centuries, been called 'wholesome murder' and the men who fought called 'murderers'. One day it was decided that there was something quite noble and dignifies about this old activity of wholesome murder. All the murderers, basking in the light of new found legitimacy, began calling themselves 'good murderers.' The stigma of the word, 'murderer', still remains, but at least the good murderers felt little more at ease. Now, maybe these murderers always had a fairly legitimate reason for going into battle. Maybe they succeeded in saving their homeland from that which threatened it. They might have even had a scholar among them who had traced the origin of the word 'murderer' to an ancient word which meant 'mother'. But the fact remained, 'murderer' was still a negative term in the public's mind. So instead on simply revelling in their subsequent acceptance by the public, their guilt, brought about by long years of stigma, necessitated their placing of the word 'good' in front of 'murderer' as a sort of self-reassurance that they were doing the right thing!

Whenever a woman or girl becomes a 'White witch', you know she is either kidding herself or has much to learn.

Blessings and Peace


Storm xx :hug3: :rolleyes:

Chatters
05-10-2010, 11:49 PM
Great post

Enjoyed reading. I completely agree, for me there is no such thing as a white witch, just how we choose to work. How we direct energy. Energy itself is neither good or bad, white or black, it just is, the same as nature is just nature. Nature does not recognise black and white.

I argue that the term white witchcraft and the like has become another marketing tool for a type of witchcraft that is consistent with consumerism as well as being more palatable. Do we really need loads of crystals and different coloured candles, a full table of tools such as wands etc etc. As pretty as they are(-:

So called white witchcraft emphasises growth and success while leaving out the areas for understanding loss and death that is found in traditional witchcraft. Which for me personally is a very unbalanced practice. And not just that but also missing out on really knowing yourself and really understanding the world around you. Not everything is all beauty and light. Although I don't knock the beauty in life, I too embrace it, but I also think a witch should understand life more fully.

Chatters:smile:

EmergingPath
06-10-2010, 12:09 AM
Aside from the tricks of the movie or TV witch, usually accomplished with special camera techniques, there is no reason why any woman who puts her mind to it and learns the proper method cannot become a full-fledged witch in accord with popular conception. (Italics mine) Hi Stormdance, any reason why a male could not not either? :confused:

stormdancer
06-10-2010, 12:53 AM
Male/female...is one soul it makes no difference hun you are also studying conscious creation.

peace xxxx

norseman
06-10-2010, 09:03 AM
"Triumph of the Moon" - Ronald Hutton.
"White Witch used to describe Cunning Folk. Whereas witch was used to denote those who used their crafts for personal or malign gain."
Not a modern term.

Chatters
06-10-2010, 10:39 AM
Isn't the term white witch more modern, as all witchcraft was seen as the black arts?

norseman
06-10-2010, 10:48 AM
It was a term used by lore collectors to differentiate between the "witch" and the Cunning Folk who were sometimes used as Witch Finders. White Witch was not a term used by practitioners.
Witchcraft seen as the Black Arts - by the church. In fact, Witch and Witchcraft are descriptions used by the church to denigrate and victimise people - those words were never used by practitioners.
It is sometimes difficult to cut thro the propaganda put out by the church at times.
The Arts or Craft are neither Black or White - they just are ! Blackness and Whiteness lies in intent.
To give another example of the confusion. In Britain, there were "witches" [?] and the Cunning/Wise Folk. At first the church attempted to eradicate the Cunning/Wise Folk and bring charges of the usual garbage. No-one was ever brought to trial because "the Cunning Folk were deemed too useful, especially in rural communities". A further complication was that some rural priests were, in fact, Cunning Folk.
This is where Gardner comes in after the repeal of the Witchcraft Laws. He [ and others ] set about creating a new path which avoided the dreaded words Witch and witch craft to appeal to a wider circle. A faith was based, in the main, on existing Pagan Nature worship. He then added ritual and ceremony from various mystical orders of the 19th century including initiation and a hierarchy. In this, he was aided by Ross Nichol who founded the largest of the British Druid Orders. Both Gardner and Nichol were ordained christian priests from an obscure Celtic church. So New-Witchcraft or Wicca was an off-shoot of the original "witchcraft" that still flourishes in the UK. Never forget Gardner's past ! [look it up yourself].
The new faith, path was appealing to the US as Traditional British Wicca [ traditional in the sense of post-1950's !]
and new varieties began to spring up in the States. This was the beginning of the so-called Witch Wars about who was "real" and who was not. Initiated or Self-declared, Coven or Solitary ?
This still rumbles on today in Wicca.
So, to sum up, Wicca should be seen as a new branch of an old tree which is still going strong.

Chatters
06-10-2010, 10:56 AM
It was to be believed that the kind of witches that were dangerous to have were 'black' witches. These were supposedly evil in their pursuits and worshiped Satan. The fact that the 'good' or 'white' witches employed a horned god in their ceremonies was justified because it 'doesn't represent the Devil!'.


This is not a witchcraft belief as such. Some witches do not believe in gods and goddess. While others do, and neither is it a white witchcraft practice. The horned god represents and is a god of nature, he is both good and bad, however good and bad does not come into it, as good and bad are human traits as good and evil are human beliefs.

Some pagans and witches also believe that the horned god is a part of the source or god/divine and that god is neither male or female

Chatters
06-10-2010, 11:06 AM
It was a term used by lore collectors to differentiate between the "witch" and the Cunning Folk who were sometimes used as Witch Finders. White Witch was not a term used by practitioners.
Witchcraft seen as the Black Arts - by the church. In fact, Witch and Witchcraft are descriptions used by the church to denigrate and victimise people - those words were never used by practitioners.
It is sometimes difficult to cut thro the propaganda put out by the church at times.
The Atrs or Craft are neither Black or White - they just are ! Blackness and Whiteness lies in intent.

Thanks Norseman, this is what I think and believe too. Through my reading I came to the conclusion that many people simply practised folk magic, and had a lot of knowledge about their land, the local plants herbs etc. Some more than others. The cunning folk to my mind were people that helped others when needed, some were the local mid wives, whilst others may have lived away from the village, some would have properly felt very close to the spirit world and may have been viewed with both respect and fear.

The cunning folk may have very likely had no title for themselves at all.

I agree with the craft being neither black and white, it does lie in the intent. You could use the so called black or white practice for either harmful or beneficial.

norseman
06-10-2010, 11:11 AM
Chatters, like many people, I originally took up wicca but was re-directed by an ex-HPS towards the Cunning Folk path, realising that I had been training for that for many decades without even knowing it. :smile:

Chatters
06-10-2010, 11:24 AM
I started out with Wicca too, although only though research, decided a while ago that I did not want to be part of a coven.

You sound like you have many interesting experiences on your path.

Going back to what you said about the witch wars, I do wonder about that sometimes. I always think does it really matter, everyone's path is valid and valued to that person.

Lostgirl
06-10-2010, 12:43 PM
I have never thought Wicca to be black or white. In books i have read it states that the Goddess for example, has darker sides and we are right to acknowledge them but not use them, as she has many many wonderful sides as does the God. I believe that it is all in the persons intentions and although we need to understand that there are people out there who have bad intentions but not to put a label on it and say 'they use black magic' as in my opinion there is no such thing - just a bad intention. Does that make any sense :confused:

norseman
06-10-2010, 12:46 PM
Never forgetting the Three-Fold Return of course. "As you sow, so shall you reap" :smile:

SoaringSpirit
06-10-2010, 12:50 PM
It does make sense Lostgirl. Magick is neither 'good' (white) nor 'bad' (black), it just IS! It is the intention of the person using magick that is 'good' or 'bad'.

Think of magick like electricity......Used by a person for 'good', electricity can keep you warm, cook your food, light up your life etc, BUT when used by a person for 'bad' it can be used to burn someone or torture someone. It is not the electricity that is 'good' or 'bad' but the person using it.

Lostgirl
06-10-2010, 12:55 PM
I Agree :)

I was recently threatened by a young man who wanted to split myself and my boyfriend up as he was in love with me and wanted to be with me (silly i know but bare with me). After alot of probing and asking questions i asked him how he would achieve this as there is no way i would do this of my own accord. He then went on to say that he has Wiccan friends who have agreed to create a spell that would break me and my boyfriend up and make me fall in love with him as they didnt believe in the threefold.
Now in my mind if you dont follow this and are happy to tamper with a persons free will then you arent true Wiccan as you arent following the basics. To me thats silly girls who are plaing with casting spells like they have seen on Charmed!
I think that they have bad intentions but it does not make them black witches as a) i believe there is no such thing and b) i do not believe they are wiccan/witch at all!

norseman
06-10-2010, 01:01 PM
Lost Girl, TV and movies have a lot to answer for :D

Lostgirl
06-10-2010, 01:03 PM
Yes they do! My response was basically that if thats what they feel then they are silly girls playing with something they dont understand and due to that they cant harm me :)

I have to say he was not impressed with my lack of concern. :)

norseman
06-10-2010, 01:13 PM
That maybe is a fault in Wicca - the two sides. There is the ceremonial side with it's romantic image of mysticism and secrecy and groupness - all OK providing the leaders are not over-controlling. But then there is the Craft side where things can go seriously wrong if someone reaches beyond their ability.
Some do get deeply involved in the "performance" of wicca and pay little attention to the craft side taking it as a simple, harmless pass-time.

Lostgirl
06-10-2010, 01:25 PM
Again Norseman i completely agree with you. What is alarming to me though is that they have done the reading and research and they are following the Wiccan path, that they have little to no regards of the basics and dont care if they hurt someone/s which is awful. I also think it makes them quite dangerous if they dnot care as they can have whatever feelings and intentions they desire - good or bad - and as a consequence someone gets hurt and they dont feel a thing!

John32241
06-10-2010, 01:43 PM
Keep in mind that those who do not "feel a thing" are in their karmatic learning process. This is appropriate in its own way.

It is best to use compassion for all ways of being, even for those who are self destructive. I suggest that you would be wise to acquire a higher perspective about the greater reality and plan for humanity. You already have the basic insights for that at this time.

John

Lostgirl
06-10-2010, 01:58 PM
When i say 'dont feel a thing' i mean more along the lines that they arent worried about what the consequences of their actions are. In my mind though if the dont believe in the threefold or karma, which from what i have been told they dont, then how can it harm them? For example, I said that if they dont believe in those things in my mind they are really Wiccan so they cant hurt me, maybe the adopt the equivilent of 'if i dont believe in the threefold etc it cant hurt me so i do as i please to whom ever i please'.....

John32241
06-10-2010, 02:08 PM
When i say 'dont feel a thing' i mean more along the lines that they arent worried about what the consequences of their actions are. In my mind though if the dont believe in the threefold or karma, which from what i have been told they dont, then how can it harm them?


Actually nothing harms our energetic essence. However the process of incarnations and evolving conscious awareness is another story.


For example, I said that if they dont believe in those things in my mind they are really Wiccan so they cant hurt me, maybe the adopt the equivilent of 'if i dont believe in the threefold etc it cant hurt me so i do as i please to whom ever i please'.....

Our reality perceptions for things like this are supported by Spirit. That is the best way to learn is it not, through our experiences.

John

Lostgirl
06-10-2010, 02:22 PM
I think alot can affect our energies - but only if we let it!
And i agree one of the best ways to learn is through our experiences but the people i am talking about are not learning for their exepeirences as they have done that sort of things many times before!

John32241
06-10-2010, 02:43 PM
I think alot can affect our energies - but only if we let it!
And i agree one of the best ways to learn is through our experiences but the people i am talking about are not learning for their exepeirences as they have done that sort of things many times before!
Yes I can appreciate what you are saying. However I suspect that I have not properly explained the multi-lifetime framework that I am talking about.

You spoke about the energy of intent in another thread. You have good insights about that energy. In my view, an expanded understanding would extend that energy of compassion to a higher reality perception. For example, it may be best, from the God/Goddess point of view, for these individuals to Not understand these principals in this lifetime. You would be wise if you could see that potential yourself and embrace the perceptions of the God/Goddess reality. In my view of these things naturally.

I would not mention this to you if I sensed you did not wish to understand more about energy work.

John

Lostgirl
06-10-2010, 02:50 PM
I understand that, and i understand the potential in it, but i dont see why the God/Goddess would want people doing that. If they wont learn from the lessons in this life, who is to say they will learn them in another life.

John32241
06-10-2010, 03:17 PM
My understand is that the God/Goddess essence uses the human experience in very specific ways. The essence of each person is in fact the God/Goddess energy itself. The purpose is not to learn in a conscious manner what the essence already understands. The purpose is to evaluate, for example, how an evolved thinker like yourself can reach their full potentials.

It is true that we as a culture need to learn about harmony. That "Harm no One, do as you wish" law will eventually become understood. In my view, the best way to teach that principal is to express it in all that we do. One way to express that concept is to model the God/Goddess perspective. Have compassion for all ways of being. Go beyond the logical understand that those who harm others are bad. Strive to see them as misguided children, looking for examples to learn from.

In my view, there are no bad people, only bad choices. I think that this is the perspective, in what we are taking about, that I wish to express.

John

norseman
06-10-2010, 03:28 PM
There is an explanation of this, drawn mostly from Celtic Mythology.
It concerns Arianrhod, the Weaver Goddess. From her own body, she spins the thread of being and weaves it to form matter - the universe itself. She is the goddess of Fate who spins the thread of Destiny and weaves the thread which joins all life together. All things contain spirit or life force which vibrates to the pulse of the Earth itself. This life-force is linked together in a web of being, a net of power that joins and gives life to the cosmos.
Her web connects all things in a net of power, and individual actions vibrate the web, affecting all that lies along the thread. Through the web, every action will return to you threefold, amplified by the web. This is the Law of Threefold Return. Your actions, good or bad, will be returned to you amplified. In other words, you construct your own fate and are the deliverer of your own justice.
In a nutshell, be careful what you cause because the consequences will rebound on you amplified. This would apply to anyone careless of the consequences of their own actions. :smile:

Lostgirl
06-10-2010, 03:30 PM
I never said they were bad people, and i dont think they are bad people, they just have wrong intentions. I have compassionf for all beings my original point was that i dont believe they are Wicca (or whatever you want to call it) if they dont follow the basic teachings.

norseman
06-10-2010, 03:36 PM
Perhaps not bad, but certainly careless in their intentions :smile:

Lostgirl
06-10-2010, 03:46 PM
I think thats a nicer way of putting it :) thank you Norseman :hug:

John32241
06-10-2010, 04:09 PM
I never said they were bad people, and i dont think they are bad people, they just have wrong intentions. I have compassionf for all beings my original point was that i dont believe they are Wicca (or whatever you want to call it) if they dont follow the basic teachings.

Yes they are following what they think is best, even when it brings harm, which we understand is undesirable.

I did notice in an earlier post that you do not see others as bad. You stated something to the effect that there really is no bad, just misinformed. You may well be correct that those who follow practices that harm others are not using the principals of Wicca. However they may think differently.

My hope was that you could see their actions and way of being in an expanded perspective. I do that because I think that others learn best through our examples. Your perception of others is an energy in action. The higher you elevate it, the more influential it will be.

That was the point that I wished to make.

John

Lostgirl
06-10-2010, 04:18 PM
I unerstand what you are trying to say, but i dont see how you can keep looking at it in a deeper understading. They dont understand or they dont wish to understand and if they do then they dont care. I dont think you can look at this from a "higher" perspective because there isnt one. There isnt a higher perspective to everything in life. The people in question dont understand Wicca that is my point. The God and Goddess may want them to learn a lesson but if they dont understand Wicca they wont understand the lessons.

Chatters
07-10-2010, 11:53 PM
Hi Everyone

This thread has took off since the last time I looked. Lots of interesting reads.

lostgirl I agree in that they don't really understand wicca and the main principals. However they may still learn from this later. We all look back on things we did when we were young and realised how thoughtless or selfish we might have been. The people you were talking about sound very young, they sound like they may be in their teens? 15 possibly or not much older, if they are then they certainly have a lot of growing up to do. I think they can still learn lessons from this without necessary understanding wicca. Maybe the lessons themselves will bring them to a better understanding of wicca. And I also believe that people can go on making the same mistakes life after life

Talking about the divine essence learning something or evaluating the past life, which I think is what you were talking about John? the divine essence being that which was seeded within each soul when the soul was first born. So of course the essence of our soul will already know everything, if we managed to fully access this, this is when our souls would be able to sense and access the divine. The essence of our soul is able to evaluate everything we do and is able to evaluate everything we learn.

I sometimes try to think of the soul in a simplistic way - kind of like an onion with the essence being at the centre and the outer layer being closer to the physical body, what and how we learn may eventually start to vibrate with the souls essence - I don't know if this makes any sense. Anyway in relation to the girls you were talking about - even seemingly small actions such as theirs may be something that they need to go through to learn, possibly to even learn a little bit more compassion for others, who knows.......... Is everything we do related to a higher understanding, again who the hell knows, that would just boggle my head.

stormdancer
08-10-2010, 10:27 PM
Understanding magical arts and witchcraft is not so simple as you all know and its great to get to know you all..I have been studying conscious creation for many years and have come to many conclusions about the craft and also about where i am as a high priestess..It hope this helps you understand the principles of magic and sorry if i blab on lol its just what i do lol

My purpose today in this post is to actually blow your mind, because in order for you to access higher realities you are going to have to have the current mind frame that you hold totally blown away.

I am going to share with you things and I do not want you to take my word for necessarily …. You can it will probably save you a lot of research but if you decide you don’t want to because you are like me and you want to research it for yourself I am going to provide you with resources for which you can do this, so then you can over come the hurdle of non-belief and be able to access the realities that I am trying to relate to you.

These realities are very important because they are the crux of conscious creation, they are the crux of magical arts… which are the same thing, and they are the crux of you understanding the totality of the self, which is what you are at the highest level of awareness.

A lot of the information , the physics information I am going to share with you comes from sources like Stephen Hawking. I enjoy reading Stephen hawking because he describes in lamens terms the ramifications of the wonderful things that quantum physicists and theoretical physicists are just discovering at this time in the last decade especially. I also suggest Brian Green , he is very much the same as Stephen Hawking in that he takes these principles and explains it in a way that you don’t necessarily have to be a genius , a mathematician, a quantum physicist , to understand what they are saying and how it applies to you. Brian Green was schooled at Oxford. Stephen hawking has been compared to Albert Einstein and also has been schooled in Oxford and is one of the leading gurus of quantum physics and theoretical physics and cosmology today.

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I basically want to talk about how the universe as we know it is a continuum of energy that begins and ends at a finite and infinitesimal point known as the ‘big bang’, which incidentally is also the point where all energy condenses and is known as what many physicists refer to as the ‘big crunch’. There is an infinitesimal point where all energy of the universe congeals, melds together in a point so small it can fit on the head of a pin, probably even smaller… and everything is one thing. At this point of singularity all the laws of physics break down. Gravity as I said, the weak , the strong force, electro magnetism.. All the forces that govern and rule the laws of this universe are broken down completely, and that’s a wonderful thing because as you will read in.. ‘ The universe in a nut shell’ by Stephen Hawking… as that energy then in the singularity point of the continuum expands again new laws of physics are able to emerge, and new universes that have original compositions, have original laws, original structure are created.

One of the things that I used to comprehend about this ‘big bang’.. ‘big crunch’ thing, because from the perspective of one particular created universe, it appears to be a specific event that begins and ends from our perspective… but from a higher perspective of the continuum of time and space.. Which actually continuum means just what it says, it is continuous, it’s not a stop and go kind of thing. From that perspective of the continuum big bangs are flowing from one universe to another almost seaming less without stops.. It’s not like A jump.. A universe.. A jump.. A universe, this point is continually drawing into the singularity , the universe is coming back into the one point and then emerging at the same time into a new universe. So universes are being continuously created an each one is unique, each one is different in maybe in its composition, probably many , many, many are very similar to ours, and one thing you need to know is.. As this is taking place, believe it or not, infinite universes are being created, and have been created , and will be created, and are created and in actuality, which is even more difficult for us to comprehend from out linear, three dimensional perspective of being within one of these universes, is that these universes are actually all a simultaneous whole. It’s all simultaneously happening, which is incredible. What this also means is that these infinite….. Now remember infinite , we use that word so many times…..I am going to digress

We use the word infinite in our lives so many times but most of the time we don’t stop to comprehend what the word really means. It is not quantifiable, it is not a billion, an infinite number is not a trillion, its not even a hundred trillion. It is infinite.. It has no beginning and no end. The Buddhists and all the mystics, shamans etc.. all these mystics will tell you that the ultimate reality is that there are endless possibilities. See creation is not finite, the continuum creates and it is infinite…. Ok

So back to where I was.. Within this continuum what’s happening is every time these new universes are continuously flowing out of it, they are re-structuring themselves and energy is re-structuring, matter is re-structuring in its original way and these universes are all occupying the same place, the same time.. Within you, within the same space time that you see yourself right now is permeating and embedded within you infinite universes. Trust me it’s true. Infinite universes, infinite realities.

Now the reason you may not be consciously aware of these infinite realities is because as the energy comes out and forms a particular cluster of like energies, a universe, what we call a universe, a new fabric of space time is created and only energy that vibrates on that fabric , on that brane, that I wrote about, that plane of fabric of space time, only energy that is connected to that fabric is consciously aware of the other energies that are connected to the same fabric. Now these fabrics of space time, these branes are continuously coming out with energy connected to them, but they all have original laws and original compositions that they are not aware of others that have all thrown out before and after, that are part of what they are and embedded within them because they don’t vibrate on the same brane.

You and I vibrate on the same brane, we are part of the same universe. Other universes vibrate on different branes and are not probably consciously aware of the other branes. In fact one of the reasons why physicists cannot see, or it is very difficult to tangibly access these other dimensions or other universes or other branes, what ever you want to call them… is because everything we use, every bit of mechanics, every bit of tools, everything that we have access to in this realm only vibrates on our brane, on our plane, our space of fabric what we see as the universe of space time… so because of that it is very difficult to become aware of those other dimensions, consciously but they are able to do that through detecting minut waves of gravitational force between branes, they can detect those minut fluctuations of gravity which is varification of these other branes or other planes exist but that is at this point the only way we can detect them.

Now I am going to pull upon a few of the discoveries of quantum physics and also upon mysticism or meta physics which is beyond physics, and I am going to join them together to give you a picture that is beautiful in its nature because it is a picture that describes you.

In quantum physics they have discovered that energy and matter is both finite and a wave and because of this wave like structure of matter, the matter that makes you up… Is really a ‘wave’, and they have what they call in physics ‘ the uncertainty principle’ which means that we are uncertain how far that wave goes or where it is at any given time. It stretches out infinitely and not only do the waves stretch out, they flow together. They create ripple effects and intertwind and that is the fabric of space time. You are everywhere, now you are consciously aware of 1.1 time that’s the illusion of the senses, the ultimate reality is you are everywhere within the fabric of space time. You have access to it in ways we have not yet realised at this point, but we realise theoretically and mathematically that is very much true. You are everywhere, that is very difficult to comprehend from our state of the five senses, but it’s true, and you need to keep that in mind.

Now I am going to draw upon meta physics . Principles of meta physics say this: That you not only are everywhere within the brane, within the universe that you occupy ……your soul, your soul what makes you up beyond the physics also is inter dimensional which means the consciousness that makes you up, which is your real self, the real self that is the seer, the perceiver of the universe, has access to shift to other dimensions and other experiences. You may not believe this but you are shifting in dimensions and universes continuously and you don’t even realise it.

You are inter dimensional and yes your body exists on this brane, but there are infinite branes and infinite time lines. You might want to compare those time lines to branes or to railway tracks maybe, and there are infinite numbers of them.
This morning I woke up, I went downstairs and I was going to make eggs on toast for breakfast. I got downstairs, took the eggs out and I just decided that maybe I didn’t want to go to all that trouble so I thought I would have a bowl of cereal… so I took out the cereal. Now there is a reality out there because there are infinite numbers of universes, where the ‘storm’ that decided to make the eggs on toast exists… it does… And there is also the reality that I experiences that says I chose cereal. You are making choices all the time but you are unaware that there are other parts of your soul that decide to make the eggs on toast and went ahead on that time line or on that track. See at that fork you decided which universe you wanted to shift your consciousness too, which time line you wanted to experience and in reality, because there are infinite numbers of time lines, infinite branes all occupying the same space and time, interwoven and penetrating in each other, the consciousness , the real you, made a choice so that the you that you perceive , the ego you, experienced that choice, but the higher you also went along that time line. There are so many times that these branes…these branes are intertwined and there are some branes or universes that are closer in vibration to this one and they very much almost resemble this one exactly and you exist in all of them. Your soul is experiencing everything. That is one reason why a part of your soul could go on a certain choice .. Make a certain choice and then experience the pain of that choice and then the part of you will come back to you, that higher part of you and say… ‘ you don’t want to experience that again I’ve already done that’… and will give you a hunch or an intuitive feeling or a gut feeling that says I really don’t want to go down that road and so you choose a different path. See if you would have chosen that path again it would just be compounded in your souls experience. We come back as our higher selves in many ways and help ourselves to evolve.
So all of these parallel timelines, all of these multiple dimensions exist simultaneously in what you are doing at every conscious moment of your ego’s perspective… as you are shifting tracks with every decision you make and your unaware of it! We are inter dimensional, your shifting tracks all the time, your shifting branes and that is because what you really are is not matter and energy that has connected to the brane.. The true self, the primal thought……… I’m going to digress… yes again you should know me by now lol!!!

This is where you can comprehend who you are beyond the physics . You think of a thought, maybe you move your hands, maybe you move your body in a certain way and that movement is a reaction of the brain… but did it start in the brain? There is a higher part of you that was the first thought that caused the brain to be stimulated which then reached out to your body.. See your higher self is with you all the time, but it’s not your physical body. Your physical body is a tool or a vehicle of the higher self, and that higher self can shift dimensions because it is not tied to any particular physical plane or physical brane, or physical universe.. You are inter dimensional but not aware of it. I hope that kind of brings us into perspective and what I just described is the ‘meta physical’ aspect.. The beyond the physics of the physics. The brane aspect and the multiple universe aspect is the physical physics aspect what I just described as the higher self, the thinker behind the thinker that we cannot tangibly touch that exists beyond all the universe is the meta physics that I was talking about.

So together it paints a picture of a self, of a higher self that is experiencing the entirety of the continuum, that is experiencing multiple universes simultaneously. I hope I have explained that in a way that you could understand.

I love the Author Neil Donald Walsh who wrote a book well a trilogy of books called ‘ conversations of god’ … I am going to digress for a second again….

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If you have not read the trilogy of the conversations of god I thoroughly recommend it. You don’t have to believe that this man is really talking to ‘god’.. throw that out.. Maybe he is channelling, maybe not, who really cares!!!.. But the profound wisdom that is coming forth from that book is something that, as I read the things I was going.. ‘I know that!’….. But I didn’t consciously know it before I heard it.. it’s like bringing this wisdom from the higher self to the surface. I thoroughly recommend it. In that trilogy I believe it was in book three he describes an analogy that helped me to comprehend this better.. Don’t take the analogy literally please just understand that it is an analogy… a good not literal but a good analogy of this space time continuum might be compared to a computer game.. The programming of the game, if you play for example super Mario or any others.. At each moment you have to make a choice, you are choosing the different time lines with each movement you make in that game, each choice, but in reality every choice is within the programming of the game. Every time line, every choice is within the continuum of the universe.. Within one of these intertwined branes that you are always shifting.

Now how this applies to conscious creation and magic is that as you become aware that the time line or the creation that you desire to experience is already there within the fabric of the continuum you are able to use that higher conscious self to then shift to a time line that has that experience which is already created. And that’s what you are doing with conscious creation. You are consciously shifting the tracks and you are able to direct the shift of the track instead of just randomly , subconsciously shift and not realise where your going… Your thoughts and your intentions are what shift that higher self to a new track, a new universe, a new brane, a new time line. It’s fascinating but it’s a higher reality that we are not aware of, that we participate in at every moment.

This happens a lot of times to people… I was talking to my mother one time and I was relating something that had happened in the past and she stopped me and said no.. no actually that top was pink not green… and she showed me the top I was wearing…and I swear to god it was green.. I swear to god when I experienced that moment it was green.. She experienced it as being pink. Now there is a possibility I could have forgotten and maybe it was really pink and I got mixed up…but so many times we come into situations when we will start remembering things and talking to friends …. and people around us go ‘what the hell are you talking about!!’.. or they remember it differently.. There is a possibility that what you were consciously perceiving from moment to moment.. you may have shifted a dimension , a brane, a reality, a universe that vibrates very similar to the one we are on… so it’s easy to shift your consciousness there, where you experience something different than other people in the universe that you are currently on experience.

There are also universes that are so different from our vibration, so different in their composition, beyond what you could imagine, they exist, but from our perspective it is far more difficult to shift to that track because that track vibrates at such a level that’s not close to the one we are on.. It’s there and eventually your higher self will consciously be able to shift from brane to brane to experience those higher tracks……digressing again lol
I believe you do that in the astral because we vibrate at a different level, we are still part of the continuum in the higher planes of existence, in the astral, in the mental etc.. we still vibrate we are part of the continuum there but because we vibrate differently I believe we are able to shift tracks that we cannot do in the physical vibrational realm.. That was a digression sorry you know how my mind goes when I write lol… anyway

Ok so something else I want to share with you about this , these branes, these universes… When I learned this I thought.. ‘If they are all inter penetrating, and if they are infinite never stopping, never ending… wont there come time when they are just too thick, interwoven infinitely ??… and then my guide who helps me to understand some of this stuff and directs me also to books that help me to comprehend my questions.. he helped me realise that the higher nature of energy and matter is actually substance less in its nature. Energy and matter when you get to the quantum level does not have mass, it does not have weight nor size.. It is substance less in its nature and because matter at the highest quantum level is substance less it doesn’t matter how many branes are penetrate it because the highest reality is the space time continuum is substance less in its nature and energy.

Life is but a dream… that is what some of the mystics say
The Buddha says that when we reach a point of the highest awareness we become aware of nothingness, but this nothingness is totality in all at the same time.

See the nature of physicality is, it is everything and nothing at the same time. That is something you need to keep in mind and that is why infinite numbers of universes are able to occupy at the same space and time, because in their highest reality they do not have mass nor dimension.. Now if you don’t believe me ask a physicist they will tell you the same thing. Photons.. Light is made of photons.. photons have no dimension yet they are there. It’s like a paradox. So you have to keep that in mind and that is what makes up infinite realities, infinite creations.

Now I know I have said a lot in this post and so I suggest if you don’t understand it maybe you could go back to the beginning and read it again as there is a lot to digest and this is the crux of your learning. Go to the resources that I have also added and remember that the reason I am sharing this with you is because when you become aware of how all this continuum is working, you are able to access it more consciously and to manifest the reality things you desire to experience, by realising they are already there all you have to do is shift your awareness to where they are.

I am going to finish this post with an anekdote that blew my mind after learning all of this. I was asking my guide in an intuitive reading.. I asked ‘ so does that mean that everything I imagine and every possibility that I can create in my mind, every thought, that has energy… remember thoughts have energy…… does that mean there is some place within space time continuum where those things actually exist’ … and my guide said yes and all that you can imagine is only an infinitesimal part of that continuum ..there is so much more that you have not even yet to imagine, and that’s why creation and the evolution of consciousness is a continual process. We are part of that process. Creation is not an event it is a process’ it’s a flowing process of the continuum. Continuously restructuring itself at the moment of singularity, continuously creating itself in an eternal process of self discovery in creation.

The reason why the ultimate self is unknowable is because it is unknowable in its highest essence. It has the potential to take on any form and any shape. It’s unknowable thus it can be all things.

I hope something that I have written has helped you.

Storm x

John32241
09-10-2010, 01:05 AM
Hi Storm,

That was way too much for me to read, however I really like the Buddha quote. It fits in with the science we are starting to understand and the essential message from all the great masters and energy workers in human history.

In my view, conscious creation is a co-creative effort. A person needs to know the mind of (God) as presented to us from within the self. That is because the "Right use of Energy" is not knowable at a human level for any given circumstance, because we can never know the quantum implications.

I suspect that we are essentially embracing the same concepts.

John

stormdancer
09-10-2010, 01:23 AM
In my view, conscious creation is a co-creative effort. A person needs to know the mind of (God) as presented to us from within the self. That is because the "Right use of Energy" is not knowable at a human level for any given circumstance, because we can never know the quantum implications.

Agreed ..I just hope people will read my post and grow in love.xx


Peace dear friend xxxx

Storm xxx