UFO's in the News

[Deusdrum]

I'm starting this thread to post or link anything related to UFO's in the news, i always find it interesting how media treats the subject.

Anyways, here's a recent one from ABC News, with ufo footage as well as witness testimony.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIxBuYVR-Ik&feature=player_embedded

[Morpheus]

Well, this isn't present news, but, this book which I picked up in the '80's is still available at Amazon for three and change, and it is rather comprehensive. It takes a Biblical slant on things, involving prophecies, and statements in the Bible.
"The Bible and the Bermuda Triangle"

Some of the misssing craft phenomena has been explained no by gasses rising from the Ocean floor, but, this doesn't attend to certain accounts wherein other odd phenomena has occurred, such as alteration of time and space.

In chapter one, I read this about a military helicopter pilot:
In 1976, Major Claude Riddle, found himslef with an escort, over the Triangle, a UFO described as like appearing like a shimmering diamond, and the size of a jetliner. It's a picture article with him standing near his Helicopter, holding is head gear.
It disucsses "USO's", and links certain things with Biblical verses, such as the various Abyss' under the Ocean. Including near Israel.

http://www.satellitediscoveries.com/discoveries/line_network/line_3b.html

[Rumar]

When it comes to believing more than the news reports compiled on youtube and other video streaming sites, you can do a bit of research about our extra-terrestrial/dimensional beings. There are in fact unedited photos from government satellites which contain UFOs clear as day.


There's a lot of documentaries you can watch from actual folks who isn't just some random people who may have been on drugs or have no credentials at all. These folks have actual reputations to lose, some Vets and retired folks, a couple from time to time who are still active duty. Former President Jimmy Carter and even some astronauts each share their stories. Said documentaries as below...
"I Know What I Saw" - collection of UFO witnesses (some being military generals, some being pilots). This was first aired on 2009, it was on H2 (secondary History Channel) today, a week ago there was another Reptoid documentary from witnesses throughout the country on Monster Quest. Another documentary to keep your eye out for: "Area 51 Declassified".
Statement from a French Air Force Captain - "The unknown craft was 1000 feet wide, it became transparent and disappeared 10 - 20 seconds. We realized we just witnessed something that we didn't know anything about." Even Larry King Live on CNN has had an interview on an UFO Coverup in Texas.
There's a radar reports covering many UFO trails and sightings, there's even Satellite (in orbit) footage of UFOs from time to time, NASA had some covered publicly and then quickly changed it to the Private channel which is classified for government officials and NASA with Top Secret clearance. 2007 - CNES (French equivalent to NASA) made a bunch of files and reports of UFO information available for the public.

COMETA - a 3 year military study on UFOs and Aliens and even published a book about their studies. There's another term to look into called the "Extra-Terrestrial Hypothesis". The French have all of their research out in the open and should have some translated documents as well to look into. If you still don't believe in any of that, there are still History Channel, BBC, and Discovery Channel with documentaries you can watch yourself as well.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjGYSGbAEUM (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .youtube.com%252Fwatch%253Fv%253DRjGYSGbAEUM)

[Deusdrum]

Thanks for your input guys, i will check out those links.

Here is another recent one, from Fox News in San Antonio, Texas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cug2E9Tg3Gs (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252Fwatch%252525252525 3Fv%2525252525253DCug2E9Tg3Gs)

and anyone else please feel free to post any UFO news related information or links.

Rumar - yes, i have heard of plenty reputable military personel, pilots, police etcetera who claim to have witnessed UFO's. It is interesting to hear other witnesses as well though, the one witness in the first video was a pilot in the air force i think they said, so he is pretty qualified.

'I Know What i Saw' was really good, probably one of the best UFO/Alien documentaries i've seen. (link here ---> http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=PIeGeE0uDJg (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .youtube.com%252Fwatch%253Fv%253DPIeGeE0uDJg) )

Here is a New York UFO news piece from 2010; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nV7LP_xYPE (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252Fwatch%252525252525 3Fv%2525252525253D4nV7LP_xYPE)

[Deusdrum]

Latest on the Baltic Sea 'UFO'...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fumXelkOCHI&feature=player_embedded

[Morpheus]

The History Channel is very professional,and thorough. Seems tha thre are two options here. The upper eschelons of military government really don't know what to make of the phenomena and sightings, or...?

And, if they do know and are not disclosing, they feel that there is very good reason for it.
It is not merely about extraterrestrial beings, and technology.

[Deusdrum]

Larry King special on UFO's with air force military witnesses, a documentary film maker, and some skeptics and others.

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=37754

[Morpheus]

That looks like a good one, Deusdrum. But your link connects to the forum.


Here's one about Roswell, by an ex CIA agent, in the news:
... http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/2012/07/11/ex-cia-agent-claims-to-have-seen-roswell-ufo-evidence/ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fnewswatch.nationalgeog raphic.com%2F2012%2F07%2F11%2Fex-cia-agent-claims-to-have-seen-roswell-ufo-evidence%2F)

On the National Georgraphic site. Seems the Truth has being ferreted out.

[Deusdrum]

That looks like a good one, Deusdrum. But your link connects to the forum.


Here's one about Roswell, by an ex CIA agent, in the news:
... http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/2012/07/11/ex-cia-agent-claims-to-have-seen-roswell-ufo-evidence/ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fnewswatch.nationalgeogr aphic.com%2525252F2012%2525252F07%2525252F11%25252 52Fex-cia-agent-claims-to-have-seen-roswell-ufo-evidence%2525252F)

On the National Georgraphic site. Seems the Truth has being ferreted out.

Morpheus - It is a good one, and thanks for the heads up. I'll check your link out as well, thanks for sharing. :)

Here is the updated link for the Larry King live ufo special, with witnesses & skeptics. It gets a little feisty in parts, i especially like the former cia agent that is on the t.v. and not in the actual studio. Let's it fly pretty good a few times. I'll double check the link this time, make sure it works.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvz5cKoChQU (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .youtube.com%252Fwatch%253Fv%253Dwvz5cKoChQU)

Peace. ~

[Miss Hepburn]

Just want to say, I also know what I saw....and my mouth dropped when I saw an exact re-enactment with a patrolmen on the History Channel;...exactly what happened to me.
I had never heard anyone else say this ,,, and here it was being re-enacted!!!!

[Morpheus]

What'd ya see, Hep?


http://www.9news.com/news/local/article/199678/188/Colo-town-famous-for-UFO-sightings

Colorado, Hwy 16, near Dulce, N.M..

[Deusdrum]

Morpheus is one of my all time favorite characters from anything btw. I love Lawrence Fishburne, he was perfect for that role.

Guy in Nevada allegedly summons a UFO, covered on a local news broadcast.. success!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FijnIZrHUKM (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .youtube.com%252Fwatch%253Fv%253DFijnIZrHUKM)

Miss Hepburn - i too am curious.

[Morpheus]

The Wachowski's cinematic illustration of Truth obviously made a big impression on me. Part of that has to do with the fact that I was reviewing NDE accounts at, nderf.org, for several years before I saw the movie.

http://www.nderf.org/site_index.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nderf.org%2Fsite_i ndex.htm)

Regarding a, "Hub" of Truth, various things will connect and tie in to this hub, such as the UFO question, and also Spiritual teachings.

There is one Truth. God is Truth.

[Deusdrum]

The Wachowski's cinematic illustration of Truth obviously made a big impression on me. Part of that has to do with the fact that I was reviewing NDE accounts at, nderf.org, for several years before I saw the movie.

http://www.nderf.org/site_index.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .nderf.org%252Fsite_index.htm)

Regarding a, "Hub" of Truth, various things will connect and tie in to this hub, such as the UFO question, and also Spiritual teachings.

There is one Truth. God is Truth.

I used to read NDE experiences at NDERF years ago, and read quite a few. Found reading them kind of soothing, was going through some scary mental inner turmoils at the time, so reading that type of thing gave me hope.

[Deusdrum]

Hot of the presses!! July 13.

Fox news no less. FBI admittances. (sort of) Hmm.. pretty wow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94URFPqmphU&feature=player_embedded (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252 Fwatch%2525253Fv%2525253D94URFPqmphU%25252526amp%2 525253Bfeature%2525253Dplayer_embedded)

[amy green]

Hot of the presses!! July 13.

Fox news no less. FBI admittances. (sort of) Hmm.. pretty wow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94URFPqmphU&feature=player_embedded (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252 Fwatch%2525253Fv%2525253D94URFPqmphU%25252526amp%2 525253Bfeature%2525253Dplayer_embedded)

Wow - exciting! From the FBI too....kind of begs the question - why now? And, more to come? Are we being primed for bigger disclosures? :icon_eek: :smile: :wink:

[Morpheus]

Well, the original report like many, are had to discern as anything.

What did the report actually say? From what was reported in the News, it could have been a meteor.
?
Likewise, when I see things just hovering or floating by as it were, in video, could just be anything.
To really be considered, the object ought to exhibit unusual flight characteristics.
Something that defies classical physics of flight.

Reports by credible authority, and professional people, even without any video at all, are more interesting.

[Deusdrum]

Well, the original report like many, are had to discern as anything.

What did the report actually say? From what was reported in the News, it could have been a meteor.
?
Likewise, when I see things just hovering or floating by as it were, in video, could just be anything.
To really be considered, the object ought to exhibit unusual flight characteristics.
Something that defies classical physics of flight.

Reports by credible authority, and professional people, even without any video at all, are more interesting.


which report are you talking about? The fox news one?

part of the interest to me in starting this thread was not to use the news stories to show ufo's are real or something like that, but also show how they are portrayed in the news, from a sociological POV. Why a FBI report from decades ago about a ufo case on FOX news.. now? For instance.

[Deusdrum]

For example, news reporters will be serious and stoic in reporting a homicide story. They will use silly funny tones when reporting about Skippy, the dog who skateboards. They will use warm, heartfelt happy tones and smiles when reporting a story about a local person who has opened a soup kitchen for the homeless or some charity organization, or an act of heroism.

With ufo stories, they will be sort of unsure and use hesitant, puzzled sort of tones. Maybe make a nervous joke about it at the end, or ridicule it a bit for good measure. I don't know, i find it fascinating how people react to UFO's almost as much as what happened involving the ufo incidents themselves. Witnesses especially, because you can hear or see somewhat how it affected them by the way they tell their story. You can feel the emotion in them to some degree, at least i think i can.

[Deusdrum]

Wow - exciting! From the FBI too....kind of begs the question - why now? And, more to come? Are we being primed for bigger disclosures? :icon_eek: :smile: :wink:


Yeah, why now is the question for me too. Especially such an old case, apparently already available online for some time. And Fox news no less lol.

New one courtesy of WGNO ABC a man in New Orleans, in the french quarters. Captured a better than the usual single light in the sky photograph. I like this one for some reason, enjoy the witness's enthusiasm with his interview and the super mellow aloof reporter, it has its charm. I think so at least. Story dated July 19, 2012. Featuring gamma ray photo enhancement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZQVaoyfgjw&feature=g-all-u (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .youtube.com%252Fwatch%253Fv%253D4ZQVaoyfgjw%2526a mp%253Bfeature%253Dg-all-u)

[Deusdrum]

Commercial/former military pilot in Kansas City claims to have seen UFO. Video posted August 1, 2012.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DinmTg0oNVA

[Deusdrum]

Courtesy of Sheilaaliens of Youtube fame, from Dos Palos California, KMPH news story. A really strange looking UFO, good footage as well with witness's testimony. Comes with the obligatory X-Files music in the background. Uploaded August 22nd.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JI4yQn-1zbQ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatc h%3Fv%3DJI4yQn-1zbQ)

[Deusdrum]

ok this one is downright shocking. A UFO blimp, very clearly hovering in broad daylight. It almost doesn't seem legit, yet it is on ABC news, so why would such a mainstream news station run something without checking their sources? Out of Salt Lake City, uploaded August 20, pretty short, 30 second or so news clip. It disappeared apparently! Would have liked to seen that on the footage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYsnBP-L16M&feature=player_embedded (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%2525 2Fwatch%25253Fv%25253DOYsnBP-L16M%252526amp%25253Bfeature%25253Dplayer_embedded )

[Deusdrum]

Bit of a rarity, an actual feature story on t.v. news, from Jackson Missouri, August 3rd, 2012. Footage of recent sighting and witness statements and also gives a history of an alien/ufo story from the area back in 1941. Includes alien sketch from alleged witness, and UFO's reportedly shooting lights.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_5c_xtadyE (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatc h%3Fv%3Dt_5c_xtadyE)

[Deusdrum]

Journalist Leslie Kean, author of probably one of the most credible books on UFO's and the legitimacy of their existence based on government, Military and aviation expert testimony, on the Stephen Colbert show.

From a couple years ago.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xejzq6_leslie-kean_news (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymotion.com%2F video%2Fxejzq6_leslie-kean_news)

and here she is from an interview on RT news

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xeg2al_new-book-ufos-officials-go-on-the-r_tech

[Deusdrum]

Retired air force officers testify that ufo's allegedly disarmed nuclear weapons. Phone interviews with UFO researcher and one of the air force officers. Uploaded June 5th, from Fox news, news anchor sounds somewhat condescending to both men, and he admits his skepticism at the end of the clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcSD_L-HDQY

Australian news cast from 2010. News casters joke around a bit, then (with the obligatory X-Files music) a news piece with an interview and footage of a sighting from a man down unda. (Sorry, i love Aussie accents. It is my favorite accent in the world actually) anyways, here it is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFh0Z3-Ykfo

Montage of different t.v. news stories relating to ufo's. Courtesy of youtube member UFOShock1. Quite a bit or various compelling footage, from as far back as 2008. Haunting ambient music caries and accompanies the news stories in the background at a low level, which i thought was a nice touch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVcvDiuR75A

[Deusdrum]

I'm going to shift gears a bit in this thread and share a selection from John Keel's book 'Operation Trojan Horse' in which he talks about and quotes from news stories a flap of ghost airplanes that occurred in Norway around the 1933-34 time period. From pages 117 - 119.


'1 . Sunday, December 3 1 , 1933 . Mr. Olof Hedlund, "a reliable man
with a good reputation, " saw "a large gray airplane, bigger than any
Anny plane" circle the Sorsele railway station three times at 3 :45 A . M .
"It was single-winged and enclosed, like a passenger plane, and was
equipped with pontoons or some sort of skis . . . No marks or insignia were
visible. " (It was a night of the full moon. Clear skies.) "The engine
stopped during the turns over the village. "

2 . Wednesday, January 10, 1934. At 6 P.M. people in Tarna saw a
brilliant object at an altitude of 1 ,000 feet. Turned and headed toward
Arjeplog . Fifteen minutes later people in Arjeplog heard airplane engines
and left their homes to watch it pass.Then, at Rortrask, northeast Norsjo, the plane appeared, and witnesses "observed the engine stop three times as it passed directly over them . . . The machine was flying so low that the whole forest was bathed in its light. "

3 . Wednesday , January 10, 1934. Trondheim, Norway . "Two landings
of the ghost fliers were reported from northern Norway Wednesday
evening . One machine landed near the island of Gjeslingen, outside
Rorvik, and the other at a place called Kvaloj in the area Namndal . The
report from Gjeslingen says that the people there saw a great beam of light and heard the sound of a strong engine. The machine landed and remained on the water quietly for an hour and a half. Its light went out after it landed. "A Norwegian cruiser, the Eagle, was sent to the area, but the plane was gone when it arrived.

4. Sunday , January 2 1 , 1934. "At 6 P . M . Sunday evening a crowd
of people in Bengtsforsen, Jamtland, saw a very bright light in the sky . It
was the size of a half-moon and traveled very fast. The roar of an engine
was heard during the sighting . In Indal , west of Bengtsforsen, a light appeared after 6 P . M . A large crowd heard it and watched as the light circled the area for ten minutes before vanishing in the west.
To the dismay of the Swedish military authorities, these planes chose
to circle railways and forts (particularly the fort at Boden) and other
strategic areas . Many of the sightings were of lights only, often described
as blinding , and the old familiar "searchlight" was described in one
account after another.

When a large gray airplane chose to circle low over the Norwegian
freighter Tordenskiold outside of Tromso, Norway, on Tuesday, January
23, 1934, it projected a blinding beam of light onto the ship's deck
"lighting it up like daylight. " Captain Sigvard Olsen said the pilot was
visible in the illuminated cabin and that he wore a hood and big eyeglasses
or goggles.

The known part of the flap really began in earnest on Saturday,
January 6, with many simultaneous sightings throughout Sweden. There
were other peaks on Monday, January 8; Wednesday, January 10;
Saturday , January 20; Sunday, January 2 1 ; Tuesday , January 23 ; Thursday, January 25 ; Tuesday , February 6; and Sunday, February 1 1 .
Published reports in February declined sharply as the military authorities
moved into the flap areas and began in-depth investigations. These
1 1 8 / Operation Trojan Horse investigations were apparently most thorough, for the Swedish, Finnish and Norwegian defense departments took a very dim view of the whole situation. Their air territories were being invaded.

From the sighting data it is apparent that many air planes were involved, not just one or two. Most of these planes were larger than ordinary military planes, and they were able to operate in foul weather over treacherous mountainous territory. Such an operation called for well-equipped bases staffed with mechanics and linked to supply lines to provide the necessary fuel, spareparts and logistical needs. Despite a thorough search by the armed forces of three countries, no such bases were ever discovered. Aircraft carriers were still being developed, and the ones then available could handle only a few small biplanes. In 1 942, the United States modified the carrier Hornet to transport General Doolittle's twinengined B-25s to the coast of Japan, where they launched their raid against Tokyo. But the B-25s could not land again on the carrier and had to fly on to China.

Hitler had just come into power in 1933 , and the Luftwaffe did not
yet exist. The Soviet Union did not have the planes or, more important,
the motivation for such a senseless series of maneuvers over Scandinavia.
Besides, the risks of an international incident were tremendous. If one of
these planes had crashed and had been found to be the property of any
foreign power, the overflights would certainly have been regarded as an
act of war.

For some peculiar reason, the New York Times suggested that Japan
was the culprit. But none of the Scandinavian newspapers even mentioned
Japan in connection with the ghost fliers. Japan was having trouble with
China at that time and would have had neither the capability nor the
motivation for the operation.

For a time early in the flap, the Swedish newspapers toyed with theories about liquor smugglers flying around the North. But the official
investigations completely ruled out the smuggler theory. As with the waves of 1 896-97 and 1 909, the 1 934 flap featured random low-level flights of recognizable objects and hundreds of flights of high-altitude lights carrying out seemingly intelligent maneuvers. The mystery airplanes were the "hard" objects used to provide a frame of reference for the more numerous "soft" objects being deployed throughout the northern latitudes. Witnesses saw and reported defmite airplanes carrying red, green and white lights. When brilliant red, green and white lights were seen at higher altitudes, it was assumed that they were attached to ghost fliers hidden by distance.

The ghost fliers were capable of astounding maneuvers. The airplanes
could cut their engines at low altitudes, sometimes only 100 feet or so in
the air, and circle not once but three or four times without power. Try this
in a conventional airplane, and you'll end up in a box.
On April 30, 1934, Major General Reutersward, commanding general
of upper Norrland, Sweden, issued the following statement to the
press:

"Comparison of these reports shows that there can be no doubt about
illegal air traffic over our secret military areas. There are many reports
from reliable people which describe close observations of the enigmatic
fliers . And in every case the same remark has been noted: No insignias
or identifying marks were visible on the machine . . . . It is impossible to
explain away the whole thing as imagination. The question is: Who are
they? And why have they been invading our air territory?"

[Deusdrum]

I am going to add what i think is a good valid point that Keel makes later in the same chapter before discussing phantom helicopters. Here's the quote.

"The thousands of sightings of phantom dirigibles and mysterious
airplanes from 1 896 to 1 938 provide us with a substantial body of
evidence which indicates that the phenomenon is actually flexible and that
it tailors itself to adopt acceptable forms for the time periods in which it
operates. All of this raises a very sticky question for the believers. Did all
of these things really exist? Or were all of these thousands of reports
merely examples of mass hysteria, journalistic jokes and misinterpretations
of some natural phenomenon?

You can't have both. Either a very large percentage of all these
reports are honest and valid-or they are all pure poppycock.
If I were writing a book on, say, the Civil War, I would go to these
very same sources-old newspapers, historical records, letters of the
actual participants-and I would produce a book that would be accepted
by scholars and historians with little or no questions asked. But flying
saucers have been dragged down by the amateur theorists and thrown into
disrepute by the believers in extraterrestrial visitants. Their efforts have
produced skeptics who have found the obvious flaws in the beliefs and
have therefore decided that all UFO data are equally invalid.
If a farmer of the 1860s fought in the Civil War and left behind a
packet of scrawled letters describing his experiences, historians would
pounce on those letters and quote them over and over again in scholarly
tomes. But if this same farmer saw an unusual object in the skies over
California in 1 875 and reported it to the local newspaper in the form of a
letter, that printed letter would become a source of controversy today." - [Fr. 'Operation Trojan horse, p. 123]

[Deusdrum]

Here is something from the annals of t.v. history, Walter Kronkite news special from 1966 entitled; 'UFO's; Friend, Foe or Fantasy'. Part 1 is here--->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAdDbuPu-3Y&feature=channel&list=UL (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%2525 2Fwatch%25253Fv%25253DcAdDbuPu-3Y%252526amp%25253Bfeature%25253Dchannel%252526amp %25253Blist%25253DUL) & part II ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDWAT9S44d8

As an aside, the IBM commercial espousing the virtues of their fancy new computer is an interesting thing to watch.

It's getting lonely in here heheh, hello? Anybody? *tumbleweed rolls by*

Hello?... ello... llo... wow the echo really reverberates well in here.

Anyhoo, Enjoy. T.V. from a different time. Old school lovable classic old guys. Things were simpler then. An nickle was a nickle and people looked a person in the eye. Your neighbour Betty would drop by for tea, and she knew how to bake an apple pie from scratch. They don't make pies or apples or friendly neighbours like Betty as much anymore. Sigh.

*Deusdrum takes a mournful swig from his flask and kicks the tumbleweed*

[amy green]

Hey Deusdrum - I read your thread. Guess people don't find much UFO in the news i.e. media so can't/don't contribute....doesn't mean they don't read your posts though. A quick look at the UFO thread index shows me 569 have read this thread....feel better now? I guess most people are already converted that read here hence no debate?

[Deusdrum]

amy - I wasn't really serious, just joking around. I have been interested in the topic recently, so i am happy to post different things in this thread, obviously most people aren't going to have much to add unless they are also looking into the specific subject of UFO's in the news as well. And that is all good. :smile:

I highly recommend the John Keel book i have quoted from above, it is very illuminating i find, he is the same guy i believe involved in the Point Pleasant happenings. I am not saying i endorse everything he says as truth, but he has done quite a bit of first hand street level research and comes up with some interesting conclusions and hypotheticals.

Here is part 4 of the Walter Kronkite alien news report special. Carl Sagan makes an appearance in an interview, along with another IBM add that is really surreal. Of special interest to me, was the very definitive and assured tone they take by the end of the program, and Kronkite's closing remarks in particular i found fascinating in this respect.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndm09mvGiw0 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .youtube.com%252Fwatch%253Fv%253DNdm09mvGiw0)

Here is George Knapp of Coast to Coast AM fame doing an interview for CBS news with a former Army Intelligence officer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBFzpcSxkYk&feature=relmfu (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .youtube.com%252Fwatch%253Fv%253DrBFzpcSxkYk%2526a mp%253Bfeature%253Drelmfu)

News story with pilot who witnessed a UFO. Interview and footage, from 2011 in South Carolina, WNBF news. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmCkjbZUvQI&feature=player_embedded (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .youtube.com%252Fwatch%253Fv%253DkmCkjbZUvQI%2526a mp%253Bfeature%253Dplayer_embedded)

[amy green]

amy - I wasn't really serious, just joking around. I have been interested in the topic recently, so i am happy to post different things in this thread, obviously most people aren't going to have much to add unless they are also looking into the specific subject of UFO's in the news as well. And that is all good. :smile:

Here is George Knapp of Coast to Coast AM fame doing an interview for CBS news with a former Army Intelligence officer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBFzpcSxkYk&feature=relmfu (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .youtube.com%252Fwatch%253Fv%253DrBFzpcSxkYk%2526a mp%253Bfeature%253Drelmfu)

O.K. Deusdrum - glad to hear you're O.K with the "tumbleweed"! :smile:

The above clip - with Alexander - is quite an unusual one for you to include. He discounts the UFO phenomenon but hints at wanting to do research into what might actually be there. Teasing that this is not explained! Any ideas what he may be implying here?

[Deusdrum]

O.K. Deusdrum - glad to hear you're O.K with the "tumbleweed"! :smile:

The above clip - with Alexander - is quite an unusual one for you to include. He discounts the UFO phenomenon but hints at wanting to do research into what might actually be there. Teasing that this is not explained! Any ideas what he may be implying here?

Why do you say it's an unusual one to include? From what i gathered by watching the interview, he does not discount but confirms his belief in the phenomenon. The contentious thing with him apparently is that he claims that he found no evidence of any government cover-up. His one statement was especially interesting to me when he says, "The true believers are even more intolerant than the skeptics."

If we are to believe his story, he lead his governmental investigative panel and found many cases of interest, but no cover-up or black ops kind of thing related to UFO's. So to me there are a few possibilities; a)he's telling the truth and their is no big cover-up conspiracy; b)he's lying and is a plant feeding the public what the government wants him to say; c)he's telling the truth but simply could not uncover the true conspiracy or conspirators due to the incredible level of 'need to know' compartmentalization that the U.S. intelligence community operates under, or was in some way mislead, did not have high enough clearance, was thrown off the trail or just unsuccessful in his research and detective work.

The CBS Kronkite special is funny to me because of how sure of themselves all of these government and scientist people are. Hynek in particular seems kind of pompous at times. The question to me is, is this what they really believed? Or were they with-holding something? I'm not saying i think they were, but who knows. The way Kronkite firmly dismisses it all with such finality really sort of sums up the mentality of the msm at the time, and i find the whole hard core materialistic science only POV from Kronkite amusing.

[Deusdrum]

ooooo here's a good one. An original radio news broadcast from 1947 regarding the Roswell incident.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUlCBY-K9A8 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.youtube.com%25252525252Fwatch%252 52525253Fv%25252525253DzUlCBY-K9A8)

*rubs chin* Verrry interesting. Very interesting indeed- muhahahahahahahaha! :happy3:

[amy green]

ooooo here's a good one. An original radio news broadcast from 1947 regarding the Roswell incident.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUlCBY-K9A8 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.youtube.com%25252525252Fwatch%252 52525253Fv%25252525253DzUlCBY-K9A8)

*rubs chin* Verrry interesting. Very interesting indeed- muhahahahahahahaha! :happy3:
Indeed interesting...before the US got to censor the info huh? They later of course disclaimed the evidence of UFO in Roswell,
i.e.in the papers. Unedited breaking news is inspiring.

(Incidentally sorry about the misunderstanding in my previous post on Alexander. Had a demanding day - I knew he was adamant about something...just got the wrong point! :rolleyes: )

[Deusdrum]

Indeed interesting...before the US got to censor the info huh? They later of course disclaimed the evidence of UFO in Roswell,
i.e.in the papers. Unedited breaking news is inspiring.

(Incidentally sorry about the misunderstanding in my previous post on Alexander. Had a demanding day - I knew he was adamant about something...just got the wrong point! :rolleyes: )
No apology necessary Amy, no worries. I basically am throwing up any and everything i find in any news related to the UFO/alien phenom. As much as possible, from every different angle (although with news it seems there are some constant patterns involved in how the subject is approached and presented) to get as wide a scope as possible.

It is basically a sociological perspective i'm trying to present here, i have my own opinions of course leaning this way or that, but part of the attraction for me is the utter mystery of it all. There always seems to be some evidence that contradicts some other evidence that looks to be equally as valid in many cases.

The UFO topic is like the ultimate rabbit hole to me, because you have seemingly physical objects, acting in apparently physically impossible ways, so now there is the energetic consideration, psychological aspects (especially in abduction cases) hard, knock on wood physical science (though physics nowadays looks less and less like a "hard" science) all mixed in with Spirituality, metaphysics, philosophy, the occult, religion etc. etc.

It really seems to run the gamut across so many areas and disciplines, and is enshrouded in so much mystery, smoke and mirrors that studying how people react to it in the form of witnesses, government personnel, news casters, reporters and the media in general i find interesting. How it effects people could possibly help to tell us something about the phenomenon itself i feel, especially considering how secretive and illusive it seems to be able to pin down on it's own.

Pondering rant over, hahaha. In John Keel's book he actually advises people not to get into it or to even allow one's kids to get into the subject. Throughout the book he gives various different examples of how it has ruined and in some cases ended many lives of those who get too deeply involved. There is one part where he quotes a part of the bible, Job38:31;

"Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?"

Which is worth noting he says because many an alleged ufo contactee over the years has equated 'good aliens' as coming from the Pleades star system and 'bad aliens' from the Orion system, to see it suggested that way in the bible is sort of compelling, but Keel makes no conclusions about this and kind of leaves it in the air.

[Deusdrum]

Continuing on with the Sociological theme, here is the complete Orson Welles 'War of the Worlds' radio broadcast from 1938. Many of you may know the story of what ensued in the form of public panic caused by this broadcast, i believe someone even mentioned it in this or another thread. I haven't listened to the whole thing yet myself, but anyways, here she is;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs0K4ApWl4g (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%2525 2Fwatch%25253Fv%25253DXs0K4ApWl4g)

Mass sighting in the news, allegedly with solution, though they are vague about it. With video and multiple witness testimony. From July 10, 2012 in Michigan, WWTV News with the story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7s8DTL03tOM&feature=related (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%2525 2Fwatch%25253Fv%25253D7s8DTL03tOM%252526amp%25253B feature%25253Drelated)

And here is one where several apparent UFO's are captured during the weather anchor's forecast, and he comments on the lights. (They show a camera facing the sky on the screen, as they often do on t.v. weather reports, this is where the UFO's appear).

August 19, 2012, from KTLA News in Long Beach California.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHo0yt91K6Y (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%2525 2Fwatch%25253Fv%25253DqHo0yt91K6Y)

[Deusdrum]

To put the Orson Welles broadcast in some context, here is a quote from wikipedia over the incident.

"Some listeners heard only a portion of the broadcast and, in the atmosphere of tension and anxiety prior to World War II (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fen.wikipedia.org%2525252525252Fwiki%252525252525 2FWorld_War_II), took it to be an actual news broadcast.[1] (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fen.wikipedia.org%2525252525252Fwiki%252525252525 2FThe_War_of_the_Worlds_%2525252525252528radio_dra ma%2525252525252529%25252525252523cite_note-The_Unfinished_Nation-0) Newspapers reported that panic ensued, with people across the Northeastern United States and Canada (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fen.wikipedia.org%2525252525252Fwiki%252525252525 2FCanada) fleeing their homes. Some people called CBS, newspapers or the police in confusion over the realism of the news bulletins.[7] (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fen.wikipedia.org%2525252525252Fwiki%252525252525 2FThe_War_of_the_Worlds_%2525252525252528radio_dra ma%2525252525252529%25252525252523cite_note-6)[8] (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fen.wikipedia.org%2525252525252Fwiki%252525252525 2FThe_War_of_the_Worlds_%2525252525252528radio_dra ma%2525252525252529%25252525252523cite_note-GIW_39-7)

Future Tonight Show (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fen.wikipedia.org%2525252525252Fwiki%252525252525 2FThe_Tonight_Show) host Jack Paar (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fen.wikipedia.org%2525252525252Fwiki%252525252525 2FJack_Paar) had announcing duties that night for Cleveland (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fen.wikipedia.org%2525252525252Fwiki%252525252525 2FCleveland) CBS affiliate WGAR (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fen.wikipedia.org%2525252525252Fwiki%252525252525 2FWHKW). As panicked listeners called the studio, Paar attempted to calm them on the phone and on air by saying, "The world is not coming to an end. Trust me. When have I ever lied to you?" When the listeners started charging Paar with "covering up the truth", he called WGAR's station manager for help. Oblivious to the situation, the manager advised Paar to calm down, saying it was "all a tempest in a teapot (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fen.wikipedia.org%2525252525252Fwiki%252525252525 2FTempest_in_a_teapot)."[9] (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fen.wikipedia.org%2525252525252Fwiki%252525252525 2FThe_War_of_the_Worlds_%2525252525252528radio_dra ma%2525252525252529%25252525252523cite_note-8)

In Concrete, Washington (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fen.wikipedia.org%2525252525252Fwiki%252525252525 2FConcrete%2525252525252C_Washington), phone lines and electricity went out due to a short-circuit at the Superior Portland Cement Company's substation (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fen.wikipedia.org%2525252525252Fwiki%252525252525 2FElectrical_substation). Residents were unable to call neighbors, family or friends to calm their fears. Reporters who heard of the coincidental blackout sent the story over the news-wire, and soon Concrete was known worldwide.[10] (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fen.wikipedia.org%2525252525252Fwiki%252525252525 2FThe_War_of_the_Worlds_%2525252525252528radio_dra ma%2525252525252529%25252525252523cite_note-9)
Within one month, newspapers had published 12,500 articles about the broadcast and its impact. Adolf Hitler (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fen.wikipedia.org%2525252525252Fwiki%252525252525 2FAdolf_Hitler) cited the panic, as Richard J. Hand writes, as "evidence of the decadence and corrupt condition of democracy."[11] (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fen.wikipedia.org%2525252525252Fwiki%252525252525 2FThe_War_of_the_Worlds_%2525252525252528radio_dra ma%2525252525252529%25252525252523cite_note-hand-10)

(full entry on link)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds_%28radio_drama%29 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fen.wikipedia.org%2525252525252Fwiki%252525252525 2FThe_War_of_the_Worlds_%2525252525252528radio_dra ma%2525252525252529)

And here is Welles with some commentary on his broadcast and stories about people's reaction to it. Highly recommended, puts some perspective on his intentions regarding the radio program as well. Welles makes some very pertinent points regarding the media, and people's tendency to just accept everything that comes over the airwaves as truth and the dangers of doing so, as the broadcast of 'War of the Worlds' illustrates. One wonders how much else in the media and on the news, then or now, is swallowed up in much the same manner, though perhaps with less extreme but more subtle, yet just as real in it's effects on the mind, beliefs, subconscious, etc. both individually and collectively.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfNsCcOHsNI&feature=related (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .youtube.com%252Fwatch%253Fv%253DgfNsCcOHsNI%2526a mp%253Bfeature%253Drelated)

[Deusdrum]

Ok no more proselytizing for awhile i promise hahaha.

The real battle of Los Angeles, an NBC news story about a UFO in 1942 over Los Angeles that allegedly took fire from U.S. military and was not taken down or seemingly damaged. Shows newspaper headlines from back relating to the incident, has an interview with a UFO researcher who describes the apparent even, and end it off with a skeptic debunker poo pooing the story.

Uploaded in December 2009. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWi3wDbo9K0 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fww w.youtube.com%252Fwatch%253Fv%253DCWi3wDbo9K0)

[Morpheus]

I have to say that things just floating around are not very impressive.
When something exhibits non classical physics, Thats Impressive!

Meanwhile, there is this, involving a recent Space.Com article.
According to a recent article at space.com, in 1994 a Mexican physicist proposed a theory about how Star Trek type warp drive may be feasible by going around the, "speed of light" law, by bending space/time around the craft, by producing an
intense gravitational field from within the craft.

I looked up the information on Bob Lazar, who purportedly was an eye witness investigator to alien craft at the Groom Lake facility, near Area 51.

This webpage, about an interview with him, states that it was done in 1990...
A few years before the Mexican physicist's pronouncement.

This page involves the interview with Lazar involving the Testor Model Company's planned production of what Lazar called, "The Sport Model", regarding the craft he observed and investigated, for the purpose of the government's, "back engineering", of it.
Which the govt. continually denied when Lazar came out with this disclosure.
This is a good article. -
http://www.stealthskater.com/Documents/Andrews_1.pdf (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stealthskater.com% 2FDocuments%2FAndrews_1.pdf)

Here is the space.com article:
http://www.space.com/17628-warp-drive-possible-interstellar-spaceflight.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.space.com%2F17628-warp-drive-possible-interstellar-spaceflight.html)

[Deusdrum]

Thanks for the links Morpheus, i will check them out, have heard of Lazar before.

I do not want to post sensational, National Enquirer type of things on this thread, but a seemingly outrageous/sensational story is in circulation from an apparently somewhat reliable source from 'Veteran's Today.'

Here is a story about... that story at 'Examiner.com.'
http://www.examiner.com/article/is-alien-ufo-false-flag-invasion-on-the-way (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.examiner.com%25252525252525252525252Far ticle%25252525252525252525252Fis-alien-ufo-false-flag-invasion-on-the-way)

I should preface that i myself am not a 'false flag' advocate of some supposed 'project blue beam' type of thing, i tend to think whatever is actually behind the phenomenon itself is itself purposely misleading, not necessarily just some shady inner circle of black ops government type thing. Of course i remain open to possibilities and try to keep an open mind. I wonder if this source is so allegedly reliable, what possible motive or reason would there be for printing such a hard to believe story in what is otherwise a supposedly more or less reputable blog/website.

Anyways, take it with a grain of salt. I share it for consideration purposes only. Here the first part of the article that can be found in full at the link above. "According to Gordon Duff, senior editor of Veterans Today, intelligence sources are revealing that hostile extraterrestrials are militarily engaging with world naval forces. In an article, provocatively titled, “UFO War: Chinese and US Navy off San Francisco, (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.veteranstoday.com%252525252525252525252F2012%252 525252525252525252F09%252525252525252525252F17%252 525252525252525252Fufo-war-chinese-and-us-navy-off-san-francisco%252525252525252525252F)” Duff claims that the Chinese navy is lending assistance to the US in battling these hostile forces in what looks like a real life version of the recent movie Battleship. Duff claims that his intelligence sources are Asian, and that US naval forces are stretched thin in the Pacific due to a beefed up naval presence in the Persian Gulf. Duff admits that the story stretches credibility but that his source is usually reliable, thereby raising the possibility that either the story is largely accurate and/or officially sanctioned disinformation. Are we being prepared for an alien false flag invasion?

Duff is a former Marine and has been very outspoken in exposing the misuse of government power and authority. Veterans Today is a highly popular newsblog taking on many controversial topics not covered by the mainstream media. It includes former senior military officers on its international Board of Directors. (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.veteranstoday.com%252525252525252525252Fstaff-writers%252525252525252525252F)So it was very surprising to see Veteran’s Today on Monday leading with Duff’s attention grabbing headline and article."

The link to the original Veteran's Today article is within ^ what i have quoted from the Examiner story as well.

I will add that I have no idea whether the Examiner itself is a reliable source, and personally speaking i find this story very hard to believe, which i assume most will; but submit it to you all in the interest of covering a broad range of different media sources. If this is ever given any kind of mainstream media coverage- which i somehow doubt, i am willing to bet there will be a good measure of guffaws, snickers and mocking ridicule to accompany it.

[Morpheus]

That's the thing of course. Human nature being what it is, there will be a certain amount of disinformation utilized with respect to this topic and issue.

I thought the dating sequences were interesting though, with respect to the latest Space.Com article.

One might get the idea there is more than one means to achieve gravity interference, and transport.
In the Lab, superconductors have been shown to levitate at sub zero temperatures.
The researcher Hutchinson has caused heavy objects to levitate using amplified frequencies. And even more regarding the merging or fusion of different materials together.

There had been information leaked about circulating certain molten metals in a tube causing an antigravity situation, similar to an electric magnetic coil and, witnesses purportedly have seen metal ejected from some craft in apparent trouble.

Problem is that this issue leads to the various conspiracy theories such as the shadow govt, of the, "elite", and if the govt. has lied to the public, that itself is part of the problem, with respect to back peddling and disentangling themselves from that, which is really not possible. Point blank, disclosure involves admitting they lied.

[Deusdrum]

Yes, the 'Hutchinson effect', John Hutchinson has been shut down a few times i believe. Free energy type of stories seem to have some interesting links to the UFO phenom. Tesla as well.

Here is a brief CBC news special on Ufo's (in 2 parts) with a couple guests including former air for captain Robert Salas. Interviews by Mark Kelley, from Sept 28, 2010.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7me4boq5Wyk&feature=channel&list=UL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSu8tl08y5g&feature=channel&list=UL

[Deusdrum]

From the BBC news, with various footage of the fireballs from different sources in England and Ireland along with witness's testimony. The most recent wave there, uploaded Sept. 25 of this year. Don't let the title throw you off, obviously the opinion of the uploader, the video itself is a news piece.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE1W6c-WZUk (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%2525 2Fwatch%25253Fv%25253DrE1W6c-WZUk)

From Otway, North Carolina, a string of ufo sightings. Interesting photograph and interview with the photographer, with multiple witnesses. Upload courtesy of Sheilaaliens, story from News Channel 12.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fQSRWyVERs (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%2525 2Fwatch%25253Fv%25253D1fQSRWyVERs)

From Australia; live interview with a man who captured some solid footage. Blueish ufo, with a yellow ring around it. Seen by several in the neighborhood. Looks like from a morning news show.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkiK1XLlu2Y (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%2525 2Fwatch%25253Fv%25253DgkiK1XLlu2Y)

Man from the 'U.S. Air Command and Staff College', talking to another Aussie news anchor team about planning to prepare for an alien invasion. According to the blonde anchor, he needed to get "special government clearance" to talk to them. Very curious that something like this would be on the actual news-news. Recommend checking this one out. Comes with alien invasion CGI advertisement video (?) or something? Uploaded Sept. 19 2012.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zLWI9Nr9oE (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%2525 2Fwatch%25253Fv%25253D0zLWI9Nr9oE)

He talks military strategy about the possibility of alien invasion, pretty surreal really. Admits that government does plan for such a thing, which blew me away to hear, coming from an active government official. His game plan seems to make sense, so i guess that a good thing at least.

From CNN, a story about a pilot and his UFO experience. And for the first time that i've noticed on a UFO news piece, one of the news anchors relates his UFO experience at the end of story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiZq2QTzOD0 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatc h%3Fv%3DyiZq2QTzOD0) . Talks about different government and military people to have witnessed UFO, including former Arizona governor Fife Symington, with snippets of footage from previous interview with him. Unsure the date of the story, uploaded September 19, 2012. Former astronaut Edgar Mitchell interview as well.

[lili]

I find it interesting to read about the Maitreya spaceships. There is no video that I see right now. But there are many pictures at the share international website http://www.share-international.org/maitreya/Ma_starsign.htm They call it a star. But according to Benjamin Creme, it is really 4 spaceships. I think the photos are beautiful

[Deusdrum]

http://www.share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2012/images/201209_StarYTMoscow29.7.12.jpg

lili - This one is amazing. These types of UFO's and the gyrating colour ones really interest me. Thanks for the link. :smile:

[lili]

lili - This one is amazing. These types of UFO's and the gyrating colour ones really interest me. Thanks for the link. :smile:

Deusdrum, glad ypu also like it !! I would love to someday see one of those in person. Thank you for the links you posted. I especially liked the video of the sighting in Australia. Pretty awesome :smile:

[Deusdrum]

Your very welcome lili. Coincidentally, i have come across a UFO case i had never heard of, though it is one that happened virtually in my backyard, geographically speaking, or close to it, and also involves 'light ships'. It is the Dorothy Izatt case, and some of the photographs she captured have been expertly analyzed and deemed authentic, at least according to the program I will link.

A snippet from an 'Unsolved Mysteries' episode, with some incredible photos and an interview with Dorothy as well as another UFO witness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpBMJ3toBV8 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.youtube.com%252525252525252Fwatch%2525252 52525253Fv%252525252525253DIpBMJ3toBV8)

The photos begin about half way through.

Astonishingly, after searching a bit apparently J. Allen Hynek has endorsed Dorothy's case as a legitimate one. Here is the link from the article that mentions this fact.
http://thedivulgers.com/2012/06/dorothy-izatt-extraterrestrial-or-extradimensional-life/ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fthedivulgers.com%252525 2F2012%2525252F06%2525252Fdorothy-izatt-extraterrestrial-or-extradimensional-life%2525252F)

^the website appears to be well on the 'believer' side of things, so take it as you will, again i post only in the interest of covering all bases and angles of the spectrum for compare and contrast considerations without meaning to promote any one viewpoint over another.

Peace. ~

[lili]

Great videos Deusdrum. I do wonder what they are trying to do here. What the light formations are intended to do. So many are trying to help us. So many are here. Or this is what I think. Long gone are the days of the grays. Now there are so many beings from so many dimensions all wanting to assist in any way possible. Just my personal thoughts

[Deusdrum]

Thanks again lili. :) I'm glad there are more than grays running around up there, if that is the case, good to have some variety. I personally like the inter-dimensional theory side of things as opposed to the nuts and bolts spaceship flying from point a to earth, i think there must be more space-time-energy variables to all of this, though have limited actual experience in that regard.

I recommend for anyone to dig into the Dorothy Izatt case. The special effects movie company/studio 'Industrial Light & Magic' (who's movie's include Transformer's 2, and is a George Lucas company) have also authenticated Dorothy's footage, and it doesn't get much more professional than that a far as i know.

Don't have a link handy, but for anyone interested further, it is one of the more credible seeming cases i've come across, and some of the stills/photos are truly outstanding.

http://thedivulgers.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Dorothy-Izatt-C4.jpg

This one for instance blows me away.

Here is a curious add from the BBC which has sort of benevolent alien overtones, though has ostensibly nothing to do with ufo's or aliens.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=bkwYjAd2EXE (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .youtube.com%252Fwatch%253Ffeature%253Dendscreen%2 526amp%253BNR%253D1%2526amp%253Bv%253DbkwYjAd2EXE)

Here is the audio, or about 6 minutes worth of the recording made by Colonel Charles Halt during the famous Rendlesham Forest incident. I believe the full tape is available online for anyone wishing to hear the entire thing. This is edited around the main part of the sighting i believe.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaOz7xfAwBM (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatc h%3Fv%3DvaOz7xfAwBM)

Here is a recent one, uploaded on the 28th of September, showing what looks to be UFO kind of image caught on 'Google Street'. Some are suggesting it may be a lens flare due to the angle of the camera in relation to the sun. Has gotten quite a few views on youtube, relatively speaking.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN6JIWcR5L0 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatc h%3Fv%3DAN6JIWcR5L0)

[Morpheus]

You may find this interesting. Pretty involved, but, in the example video it explains why the craft looks weird at times, involving the manipulation of space/time.

http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/General_Relativity.htm (http://www.gravitywarpdrive.com/General_Relativity.htm)

[Deusdrum]

Thanks for the link Morpheus, looks interesting, will dive into it soon, hope it's not too technical i'm not left hemisphere thinking oriented, but it seems to be laid out in layman's terms so will give it a read.

Here is a recent article from Huffington Post with the retired Director of Project Blue book, Colonel Robert Friend, who gave a lecture at some Smithsonian type event.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/27/ufos-are-real-project-blue-book-robert-friend_n_1918266.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.com %2F2012%2F09%2F27%2Fufos-are-real-project-blue-book-robert-friend_n_1918266.html)

News story from California in Sept 2011. Anchor reads couple emails from witnesses then followed by some lengthy footage of the UFO/s in question. They give a list of several different towns in Cali which reported similar sightings around the same time. One of them was green as well apparently. Then in this same youtube vid is another news story from Phoenix after the footage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGkqQGydCaI&feature=re%C2%ADlated (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatc h%3Fv%3DbGkqQGydCaI%26amp%3Bfeature%3Dre%25C2%25AD lated)

[Morpheus]

While the name of the conference was, "Secrets Revealed", what secrets are revealed?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/06/ufos-should-be-studied-by-science_n_1941157.html?ref=topbar (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.huffingtonpost.com%252525252525252F2012%2 52525252525252F10%252525252525252F06%2525252525252 52Fufos-should-be-studied-by-science_n_1941157.html%252525252525253Fref%2525252 52525253Dtopbar)

Regarding various contradictory statements from NASA...
If you want Truth on these things, you don't go to the government related agency, or the contractors thereto.
But, there are exceptions, regarding leaking of information.
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"Nothing kills a career faster than being branded a kook, and in many circles, that's what you are when you admit you've seen a UFO."

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...But of course, somewhere behined the awareness of public scrutiny, no doubt operating apart from congressional authorization, the work has in fact been ongoing.

Edited by SF Staff

[Deusdrum]

...But of course, somewhere behined the awareness of public scrutiny, no doubt operating apart from congressional authorization, the work has in fact been ongoing.

I agree there is a strong possibility this is the case, the government would be stupid not to investigate the phenomena in my opinion, and depending on who you believe supposedly they have been doing just that. Of course some go far beyond that with their claims. I have a hard time envisioning any official substantial admittances being made. I think these 'there is a possibility of life on other planets' statements are in some small measure progress though. And maybe something where due to space exploration and the technological advances in telescopes that such statements would be inevitable eventually. I won't get into the Drake equation, however valid that is or not, I'm not sure.

Here is an astronomer speaking in an interview on RT News who, to me at least, says seemingly quite similar things, to the effect that alien life exists, but none of them/it has ever been to Earth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUOZvAPtASo&feature=plcp (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252 Fwatch%2525253Fv%2525253DZUOZvAPtASo%25252526amp%2 525253Bfeature%2525253Dplcp)

[Deusdrum]

Apologies if that last video was boring, i myself did not make it through the whole thing, but it was topical so repeating again my intentions to cover a wide array of different angles from the news, i include it in the interest of being thorough.

Here are a couple articles (might actually be same article actually) from the associated press and yahoo news about an incident at a Tel Aviv airport, a ufo sighting shuts down the airport momentarily, and this come right on the heels of a recent drone being shot down days before in the same area. From Oct. 10th of this year, (which is yesterday, as of posting this.)

http://my.news.yahoo.com/israel-air-traffic-briefly-halted-102412981.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fmy.news.yahoo.com%2Fis rael-air-traffic-briefly-halted-102412981.html)

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jZZHL6ImZRFpdrx6F-wcLjDfMMSQ?docId=CNG.193bd973fc839385e5b1011924952 f86.4c1 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fhoste dnews%2Fafp%2Farticle%2FALeqM5jZZHL6ImZRFpdrx6F-wcLjDfMMSQ%3FdocId%3DCNG.193bd973fc839385e5b101192 4952f86.4c1)

[Deusdrum]

Story of alleged military bunker explosion with many witness reports of strange meteors and lights streaking across the sky prior to- and i believe also after- if i understand correctly, the explosion. Some strange media contradictions in some of the reports are alleged, including a major outlet using parts of a story from 2006 in this new story, two postponed press conferences, denial and prevention of both the police and fire department from going on the scene and some other things.

I got this from another forum where i get a lot of my ufo related info from.

Anyways, here is a youtube news piece about the event.

This is pretty extraordinary story actually, and i'd love to hear any members who might live near the area to share anything if they have felt this explosion, which supposedly rocked buildings and even blowing out some windows from a far distance away. Also reported is a 7000 foot mushroom cloud...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SnSK8ytOjzY (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252 Fwatch%2525253Ffeature%2525253Dplayer_embedded%252 52526amp%2525253Bv%2525253DSnSK8ytOjzY)

Of note towards some possible connection is the fact that only a week or so ago a similar incident occurred at a Russian military installation, a bunker explosion as well. May post some links regarding that incident in the future, as well as some links that report the actual sightings of the fireballs and the light in the sky. I have read some news reports and also witness reports separately in several different places.

-edit- here is a fox niece short written piece that mentions the supposed meteor like sighting.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/16/mystery-explosion-shatters-windows-lights-sky-in-louisiana/

Just to mention also, i have read other reports where people say they clearly saw a meteor like object, and also a white light in the sky, the story above mentions something about fire sparks above a tree line which is more ambiguous in terms of a sighting; i will see if i can dig up some other witness reports.

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'The Medium is the Message' edition post. The most important of all news sources... YOU! Some videos from people watching ufo's. The one holding the camera is the reporter, and the news is the video. Maybe the news anchor is you, and the audience is your brain- never mind, i've stretched the analogy too far lol. In any event, here they are.

Taking it back to the basics.

Palmira, Columbia; September of this year. (this one is pretty amazing)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8ARpsoi6sik (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .youtube.com%252Fwatch%253Ffeature%253Dplayer_embe dded%2526amp%253Bv%253D8ARpsoi6sik)

Fresno, California. Couple days ago. Triangle light pattern.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBj1cSvmiZ4&feature=player_embedded (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .youtube.com%252Fwatch%253Fv%253DhBj1cSvmiZ4%2526a mp%253Bfeature%253Dplayer_embedded)

Draa, Syria; September of this year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDm8ekTmfSQ&feature=fvwp&NR=1 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .youtube.com%252Fwatch%253Fv%253DWDm8ekTmfSQ%2526a mp%253Bfeature%253Dfvwp%2526amp%253BNR%253D1)

I also recommend watching the one from Hollywood California recently as compelling and entertaining video from the reaction of the witnesses and also the actual footage. I won't link it due to some foul language on the vid, but a youtube search should bring it up fairly easily for anyone interested.

Another one is from New Jersey, also a triangle sighting, again though due to bad language i won't link it. That one may be hard to find but a youtube search should also bring it up, it was from a couple months or so ago.

[Gracey]

just for a touch of humor in an interesting thread.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/c22.0.403.403/p403x403/526985_444132318965512_496643616_n.jpg

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Thank you Gracey for that. Those ET's are seriously laid back in the pic lol. Loungin' son! Dubstep does sound sort of alien like. Hmmm... *makes note on clipboard*

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Gary Mckinnon's extradition to the U.S. has been blocked recently, here is a short story on that. It is relevant to the thread because Mckinnon claimed to have come across some alien/ufo related material when he hacked into some USA Defense/military type files & computers. Here is that story from RT News, as well as a snippet from wikipedia explaining the UFO connection.

In his interview with the BBC, he also claimed of "The Disclosure Project" that "they are some very credible, relied-upon people, all saying yes, there is UFO technology, there's anti-gravity, there's free energy, and it's extraterrestrial in origin and [they've] captured spacecraft and reverse engineered it." He said he investigated a NASA photographic expert's claim that at the Johnson Space Center (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fen.wikipedia.org%252525 2Fwiki%2525252FJohnson_Space_Center)'s Building 8, images were regularly cleaned of evidence of UFO craft, and confirmed this, comparing the raw originals with the "processed" images. He claimed to have viewed a detailed image of "something not man-made" and "cigar shaped" floating above the northern hemisphere, and assuming his viewing would be undisrupted owing to the hour, he did not think of capturing the image because he was "bedazzled", and therefore did not think of securing it with the screen capture function in the software at the point when his connection was interrupted.

[From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fen.wikipedia.org%252525 2Fwiki%2525252FGary_McKinnon)]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUYrrkN5SyA (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252 Fwatch%2525253Fv%2525253DzUYrrkN5SyA) From Oct. 16 of this year.

Here is him describing the UFO, his arrest and other things in a news interview. http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=z1Ofhox2Xjc&feature=endscreen (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252 Fwatch%2525253FNR%2525253D1%25252526amp%2525253Bv% 2525253Dz1Ofhox2Xjc%25252526amp%2525253Bfeature%25 25253Dendscreen)

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Bit more humor about (classified)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWfKdKWJEkM (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%2525 2Fwatch%25253Fv%25253DHWfKdKWJEkM)

RT short news editorial piece regarding scientists who are apparently encouraging people to prepare for alien contact.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TYpZeLzn_uQ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%2525 2Fwatch%25253Ffeature%25253Dplayer_embedded%252526 amp%25253Bv%25253DTYpZeLzn_uQ)

Another story about the Gary Mckinnon case, this time from the Fox news perspective.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn6ds9q0D8c (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%2525 2Fwatch%25253Fv%25253DJn6ds9q0D8c)

Alien connection is mentioned near the end of the video.

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From Illinois recently, 3 Different sources. Interestingly, the final written piece has included a recent update on their original story, (though the original is included in the link also) in which a police officer calls it 'just a satellite.'

Here's a news vid from Fox 2 News on the sighting
http://fox2now.com/2012/10/24/ufo-spotted-near-hecker-il/ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Ffox2now.com%2525252525252525252F2012%2525252525 252525252F10%2525252525252525252F24%25252525252525 25252Fufo-spotted-near-hecker-il%2525252525252525252F)

This St. Louis news source has some alleged experts from the local planetarium in the article claiming the lights to be a star and Jupiter.
http://www.kmov.com/home/Police-witnesses-report-strange-lights-over-rural-Illinois-towns-175571641.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.kmov.com%2525252525252525252Fhome%252525252 5252525252FPolice-witnesses-report-strange-lights-over-rural-Illinois-towns-175571641.html)

Bear in mind the title of the ^ article is 'Police, witnesses report strange lights...' which seemingly contradicts the update i mentioned earlier in this last link, from CBS. Perhaps these are different police officers saying different things, or is it a retraction of some sort?
http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2012/10/24/strange-lights-in-the-sky-draw-a-crowd-in-hecker/ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fstlouis.cbslocal.com%2525252525252525252F2012%2 525252525252525252F10%2525252525252525252F24%25252 52525252525252Fstrange-lights-in-the-sky-draw-a-crowd-in-hecker%2525252525252525252F)

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Couple recent news videos, one from Kentucky and the other from Mexico.
The Kentucky one is a strange, translucent cylinder shaped ufo; and the other one in Mexico is of a bright streak of light zooming into a volcano. The second news piece is in Spanish but a lot of the video is self explanatory, including the actual footage.

The Kentucky one has an interview with a man who photographed and watched the object for an hour. This particular witness also happens to be an amateur astronomer, and cannot explain what it was he saw. Uploaded Oct. 20 & 26th respectively.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSd1NW6HeNA&feature=player_embedded (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.youtube. com%252525252Fwatch%252525253Fv%252525253DnSd1NW6H eNA%2525252526amp%252525253Bfeature%252525253Dplay er_embedded)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MjLwWVRkxG4 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.youtube. com%252525252Fwatch%252525253Ffeature%252525253Dpl ayer_embedded%2525252526amp%252525253Bv%252525253D MjLwWVRkxG4)

It is interesting to me to note the similar nuances in tone of voice, inflection etc. used by foreign news/news in a different language used in English speaking/Western newscasts. Even the format is pretty much the same.

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From India Today online website, and some links with basically the same story from Yahoo news. Also include a 2006 similar story also from India Today news.

Comments included from a former air force chief and astrophysicist. Story from Nov. 2 of this year. Also includes a photo. The initial UFO report was made by the Indian Army and the Indo-Tibetan Border Police Force (ITBP)

Headline is; 'Mystery Sighting Spooks Soldiers'

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/unidentified-flying-objects-ufo-seen-in-ladakh-jammu-and-kashmir-by-indian-army-itbp/1/227372.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Findiatoday.intoday.in% 2Fstory%2Funidentified-flying-objects-ufo-seen-in-ladakh-jammu-and-kashmir-by-indian-army-itbp%2F1%2F227372.html)

http://in.news.yahoo.com/ufos-sighted-ladakh-report-183000210.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fin.news.yahoo.com%2Fuf os-sighted-ladakh-report-183000210.html)

The 2006 story.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/ufo-sighting-in-himachal-lahaul-spiti-district-remains-a-mystery/1/181923.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Findiatoday.intoday.in% 2Fstory%2Fufo-sighting-in-himachal-lahaul-spiti-district-remains-a-mystery%2F1%2F181923.html)

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This one should be fun. From the Telegraph, a story about the declining number of UFO sightings in recently and how Ufology is dying.

From Nov. 4 of this year.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/9653499/UFO-enthusiasts-admit-the-truth-may-not-be-out-there-after-all.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%25252525252Fnews% 25252525252Fnewstopics%25252525252Fhowaboutthat%25 252525252Fufo%25252525252F9653499%25252525252FUFO-enthusiasts-admit-the-truth-may-not-be-out-there-after-all.html)

And now an article from the Huffington post, from 8/26/2011, about the alleged 67% increase of UFO sightings in the last three years... (from 2011 of course)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/26/ufos-pilots-history-channel_n_935847.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.huffingtonpost.com%25252525252F20 11%25252525252F08%25252525252F26%25252525252Fufos-pilots-history-channel_n_935847.html)

I will look for the inevitable 3rd news story out there somewhere online declaring how UFO sightings in recent years have remained relatively constant. ;)

I kid, but on the other hand it would not surprise me to find it. The truth is out there... and there, and there, and there...

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Hot off the presses, from Fox News out of Denver. A news vid story with some really quality footage of a speeding little grey capsule looking thing zipping to and fro flipping around this way and that. Has 2 different aviation experts "baffled," interesting piece. Fox News actually replicates the original footage with their own crew.

http://kdvr.com/2012/11/08/mile-high-city-mystery-ufo-sightings-in-sky-over-denver/#ooid=BnNHJyNjoZyz60bsjSbWA6lTx5V_xgsw (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fkdvr.com%2525252525252F2012%2525252525252F11%252 5252525252F08%2525252525252Fmile-high-city-mystery-ufo-sightings-in-sky-over-denver%2525252525252F%25252525252523ooid%252525252 5253DBnNHJyNjoZyz60bsjSbWA6lTx5V_xgsw)

What's amazing about this is how un-skeptical/debunk-y the story is. From a day ago. The news anchors seems genuinely puzzled and curious.

A Story from 2006 about a UFO by the Chicago O'hare airport. Includes interviews with a pilot (hidden in shadows) as well as other employees at the airport.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNDdlg73X18&feature=related (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252Fwatch%252525252525 3Fv%2525252525253DlNDdlg73X18%25252525252526amp%25 25252525253Bfeature%2525252525253Drelated)

The 'UFO Guy' (or so they dub him) interview.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoytrHE821o (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252Fwatch%252525252525 3Fv%2525252525253DhoytrHE821o)

I'm off to read that crop circles thread now.

-edit an hour later after a shower, breakfast, smoke and cup of coffee-

here's another news video story. From May 15th of 2012, from Denver as well. They play some tape of the pilot reacting to seeing a UFO, and talk about UFO's posing a danger to airplanes and airspace.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EVsUzcO-Oy4 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .youtube.com%252Fwatch%253Ffeature%253Dplayer_embe dded%2526amp%253Bv%253DEVsUzcO-Oy4)

[Deusdrum]

Bear with me if i post repeats, I don't think it's happened so far, but in this next installment there may be some doubles, though i can't say for sure.

This one i'm certain is new, an interesting article about a t.v. host told not to look at an earth-like planet by the BBC due to contractual issues and possible complications should he happen to spot extraterrestrial life; from the Telegraph. Story from a few days, week ago or so.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/9661398/Brian-Cox-BBC-bosses-feared-alien-discovery-could-breach-editorial-guidelines.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.telegraph.co.uk% 25252Fculture%25252Ftvandradio%25252Fbbc%25252F966 1398%25252FBrian-Cox-BBC-bosses-feared-alien-discovery-could-breach-editorial-guidelines.html)

Article with alleged UFO expert asking if it is time to 'admit aliens don't exist'... From November 7th of this year. E-print article from the 'Sun'.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/4631083/UFO-expert-Dr-David-Clarke-asks-whether-its-time-to-admit-aliens-dont-exist.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.thesun.co.uk%252 52Fsol%25252Fhomepage%25252Ffeatures%25252F4631083 %25252FUFO-expert-Dr-David-Clarke-asks-whether-its-time-to-admit-aliens-dont-exist.html)

From ABC news; how alien contact is dealt with in an official Firefighter's manual. Video news piece from I'm not sure when, (uploaded Nov. 12 though) pretty intriguing story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdEUoyiLK4M (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%2525 2Fwatch%25253Fv%25253DJdEUoyiLK4M)

Oct. 4th video news piece about sightings in Blue Springs Missouri. This one and the one above may be a repeat, i honestly cannot remember, it does seem familiar.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0V1E1IZEP4 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%2525 2Fwatch%25253Fv%25253DE0V1E1IZEP4)

Here is something recent and interesting, released through i believe the Freedom of Information Act, from over 50 years ago, plans relating to the U.S. military's attempt to build a flying saucer. From 'Fox News.com';
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2012/10/18/govt-declassifies-report-secret-flying-saucer/ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.foxnews.com%2525 2Fscience%25252F2012%25252F10%25252F18%25252Fgovt-declassifies-report-secret-flying-saucer%25252F) e-print story that comes with diagrams and some sketches. From Oct. 18 of this year.

[Deusdrum]

Here is a fresh batch of UFO related news videos.

From Morristown, New Jersey. CBS News with the story including footage and family interview. Uploaded today.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QxmuKTAtjM (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%2525 2Fwatch%25253Fv%25253D5QxmuKTAtjM)

Florida news story with footage and several witness interviews all surrounding a sighting from one particular day. Story uploaded Nov. 15 of this year, from Fox 4 News.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWPQl2t9K6E (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%2525 2Fwatch%25253Fv%25253DKWPQl2t9K6E)

From November 12, News piece of UFO's in Texas, story from News West 9. Inteviewee suggests he sees UFO's moving through portals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvSylf91pqk&feature=player_embedded (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%2525 2Fwatch%25253Fv%25253DvvSylf91pqk%252526amp%25253B feature%25253Dplayer_embedded)

And here is the Ronald Reagan compilation of the two times he mentions aliens in two separate speeches during his Presidency.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK-XATA-5gs (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%2525 2Fwatch%25253Fv%25253DQK-XATA-5gs)

[amy green]

UFO sightings - throughout history.... Sources are given (just click on the number given in brackets)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reported_UFO_sightings

[Gaia]

some videos doesn't work

[Deusdrum]

some videos doesn't work
Which ones don't work Gaia? I usually test them at least once after i post them, but i notice that in some cases some videos get taken down.

Let me know which ones don't work and i will look into finding a working version if possible. Also, sometimes availability depends on the country you live in, and as for news websites, sometimes articles get taken down for whatever reason.

Here is an update from India Today about a previous report, but this time the Chinese army is involved; regarding 'orbs'.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/ufo-sightings-in-india-near-china-boundary-raises-security-concerns/1/229741.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Findiatoday.intoday.in% 2Fstory%2Fufo-sightings-in-india-near-china-boundary-raises-security-concerns%2F1%2F229741.html)

I have yet to read the article, so i can give no synopsis on it at this point.

[Morpheus]

I think the enthusiasm is over for me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IodzE5F4P4&NR=1&feature=endscreen (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252 Fwatch%2525253Fv%2525253D9IodzE5F4P4%25252526amp%2 525253BNR%2525253D1%25252526amp%2525253Bfeature%25 25253Dendscreen)


Michael Schratt, in his video lays out the sequential developments of how we attained non classical modes, and means to, "UFO technology".
Seems it began with WWII German research, and employed in B-2, or F-117 fighters, with the electrograviton utilization in the wing edges, allowing the planes to turn off their engines, and maintain their cruising speed.

At the upper levels it seems, things are so compartementalized, that one research group is unaware of another's.
Such as the area of back engineering, and that of Skunk Works or Black Ops.

The technology is interesting but apparently the funding going under the nose of Congress is unbridled, and has outscaled every other area of society interest, in order to acomplish the objectives.

Statements made in the video involving, "George Lucas would drool", and,
"If you've seen it on Star Trek, we've been there and done that, or decided it's not worth the time".
Also regarding bases on the moon, and 3 hr. escursions to Mars. Perhaps beyond.

Now the thought of sightings represents in ordinate amounts of monies involving development, which in today's current world situation is unpleasant to think about.
Also, the why of it with respect to the predator/prey and survival instints of our organic aspect.
We, as the fallen human species, and regarding our evolved temporary and illusory physical aspects, are locked in, as it were, having to do with staying ahead, militarily, of the other nations.
No matter what the monetary costs may be.

The above is the five minute long trailer. This is the two hour long presentation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfGqINFNL40&feature=related (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252 Fwatch%2525253Fv%2525253DxfGqINFNL40%25252526amp%2 525253Bfeature%2525253Drelated)

[magonia]

http://www.examiner.com/article/witness-washington-ufo-left-spiritual-traces (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.examiner.com%2Fart icle%2Fwitness-washington-ufo-left-spiritual-traces)

"Mr. Kappenman described the UFO as a luminous white cylinder with a “vector form” on its front. The period of observation was roughly five minutes with the unknown traveling at a speed close to 100 miles per hour. “This was the most phenomenal UFO that I’ve seen,” the witness explained."

“During this whole experience, I felt a connection. The core vibrations were rising within me. They were absolutely amazing.”

[amy green]

I think the enthusiasm is over for me.

The above is the five minute long trailer.
I saw the 5 min clip and admit that it is sobering. However, would it explain all cases of UFO sightings in the sky? I'm thinking of those sightings that involve about 3 UFOs often in a formation, then zooming off in different directions at supersonic speed or suddenly disappearing?

Could it be that this info (real as it is but within limits) is being used to cover up other real UFO phenomena i.e. to put us off the trail?

[Morpheus]

Well, I made my point Amy, about how regarding the technology, we are locked in as it were, with respect to our carnal natures, the animal/mammal, predator prey, which involves Ego.

If I had the opportunity now to witness a UFO event, while remarkable, it would not be as fascinating.
Simply, because it is about technology developed due to the above aspects, and involving untold sums of monies and secret funding, invested in it.
As remarkable as the achievement may be. Seems tainted anymore.

The public will not see these technological innovations implemented for their better, either, because of big industry's interests in maintaining the status quo.
Regarding maintaining their profit status, and resulting wealth.

The "Matrix" situation, then, becomes apparent.

[Deusdrum]

Some more strange unexplained lights in the sky that have made their way onto newspapers, websites and videos.

From University Heights in San Diego California, strange lights captured during a news broadcast from the field, which then became it's own story on the same news station.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1juncuS2GHE (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252 Fwatch%2525253Fv%2525253D1juncuS2GHE)

Genesee County Michigan, from the M Live news website; an article about recent multiple sightings there.
http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2012/12/ufo_season_three_more_flying_o.html#incart_river_d efault (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.mlive.com%2525252Fn ews%2525252Fflint%2525252Findex.ssf%2525252F2012%2 525252F12%2525252Fufo_season_three_more_flying_o.h tml%25252523incart_river_default)

A country constable from Stephenville Texas retelling his ufo experience, first vid is a news video story and second link is an interview of him by Larry King on CNN. Pretty sure this story is from a few years back at least.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtdErpuIYd8 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252 Fwatch%2525253Fv%2525253DCtdErpuIYd8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=tzM-MAlQhrM&feature=endscreen (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252 Fwatch%2525253FNR%2525253D1%25252526amp%2525253Bv% 2525253DtzM-MAlQhrM%25252526amp%2525253Bfeature%2525253Dendscr een)

[Deusdrum]

Hm. Joking? Serious? Russian Prime Minister making comments about aliens existing among us...

3 news sources, yahoo, examiner and inquisitor. This was from about a week ago, maybe less.

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-premier-jokes-secret-files-aliens-161427037.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fnews.yahoo.com%25252 Frussian-premier-jokes-secret-files-aliens-161427037.html)

http://www.inquisitr.com/429460/russian-prime-minister-dmitry-medvedev-says-aliens-have-visited-in-tv-interview/ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.inquisitr.com%25 252F429460%25252Frussian-prime-minister-dmitry-medvedev-says-aliens-have-visited-in-tv-interview%25252F)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/09/dmitry-medvedev-aliens_n_2267373.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.huffingtonpost.c om%25252F2012%25252F12%25252F09%25252Fdmitry-medvedev-aliens_n_2267373.html)

Probably joking is my guess.

Couple more recent youtube news vids.

South Florida, with some alleged footage, witness interviews
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnE0OnEpEFI (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%2525 2Fwatch%25253Fv%25253DcnE0OnEpEFI)

Dec. 6 of this year, story from Texas. Some Nasa and various eyewitness photos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unYy8z8DehY&feature=player_embedded#! (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%2525 2Fwatch%25253Fv%25253DunYy8z8DehY%252526amp%25253B feature%25253Dplayer_embedded%252523%252521)

[Deusdrum]

From Sri Lanka, involving their Military. News video piece from December, captured video footage of the lights/ufo's included.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZUAnD-0YrUw (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatc h%3Ffeature%3Dplayer_embedded%26amp%3Bv%3DZUAnD-0YrUw)

From December 30th, in Sacramento CBS news with article and video; 'Man Captures Video Of Strange Explosions.'
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2012/12/30/man-captures-video-of-strange-explosion-in-the-sky/ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fsacramento.cbslocal.co m%2F2012%2F12%2F30%2Fman-captures-video-of-strange-explosion-in-the-sky%2F)

Curious one, from RT News; lady from 2009 in Russia claims to have kept dead alien body she found in her fridge for 2 years. Reporter and news casters have their fun with this one. Photos of the alleged body are shown as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxw-O1XnYx8 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatc h%3Fv%3Dhxw-O1XnYx8)

[Ciqala]

Thanks for posting the videos, keep them coming LoL

[Deusdrum]

Thanks for posting the videos, keep them coming LoL
Thanks Ciqala, will do. :)

I just looked through the first 2 pages of this thread checking links, and nearly almost 50% of my links to vids don't work and have been removed from youtube. I know videos on youtube get taken down from time to time, but i wonder if these get taken down with greater frequency because of the subject matter?

50% seems like a high number, this thread has only been up for 6 months or so i think, so that's a lot of videos to get taken down imo but who knows, maybe because news channels have them taken down or something.

Too bad, some of those missing videos were good ones.

[in progress]

The being on the RT video reminds me of Yoda.

Have you ever seen UFO's or ET's for real Deusdrum?

[Deusdrum]

I have a handful of vague U.F.O. sightings, one of them i remember was right before attending an outdoor rave. I've seen flashes, unexplained (to me at least) lights that seemed strange moving in the sky. However all of them were very brief experiences so it's hard for me to say for sure. One of them possibly i might be able to excuse away as far away airplane or helicopter in the distance, because it was silent, and hovered up and down at the peak of a mountain. The others just sort of linger there as question mark unknowns.

[in progress]

I've never seen any beings or craft myself. I do feel strongly that some of the craft are terrestrial but not all.

[Deusdrum]

Yes, it wouldn't surprise me either way. I try not to jump the gun on making any assumptions or coming to any conclusions as of yet, but I'm open to the many possibilities of what they could be. There are so many theories-assertions made out there, hard to know what to make of it sometimes.

Here is an interesting documentary from the National Geographic Channel of some interesting European UFO/Alien encounters.

'UFO Europe Untold Stories'
http://www.mojvideo.com/video-ufo-europe-untold-stories-1/d773b989195f26d461e5 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mojvideo.com%2Fvid eo-ufo-europe-untold-stories-1%2Fd773b989195f26d461e5)

Video take a moment or two to set up, but works fine after that.

[hawkmoth65]

There was a very interesting documentary aired last night,on Discovery channel I think called The Nasa Files.

Some intriguing sightings over the years made mainly by astronauts.In all honesty,the idea that we are entirely alone in this universe is preposterous and bizarre.Why would our planet be unique in the vast immensity of all that space?I have a friend who is a firm believer in extraterrestrials having visited and still visiting Earth,he has met Nick Pope on a number of occasions :smile:

[Deusdrum]

Nick Pope eh, he would be interesting to talk to i bet. I agree Hawkmoth, it seems to me pretty unlikely that there is not life in some form or another out there in the Universe besides us. Once upon a time the Sun apparently orbited around the Earth as well.

Here is a news cast about a flap of triangle UFO sightings from Detroit and elsewhere on January 11th from a local Fox News station.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xin1DWDnPc4&feature=player_embedded

[amy green]

Nick Pope eh, he would be interesting to talk to i bet. I agree Hawkmoth, it seems to me pretty unlikely that there is not life in some form or another out there in the Universe besides us. Once upon a time the Sun apparently orbited around the Earth as well.

Here is a news cast about a flap of triangle UFO sightings from Detroit and elsewhere on January 11th from a local Fox News station.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xin1DWDnPc4&feature=player_embedded
Having watched Morpheus' illuminating link - in his post #72 - I too am much more sceptical about the possibility of UFO sightings being anything other than the developments of secretive military enterprise.

I wonder what your thoughts are on this, i.e. how it affects your opinion now.

(By the way, I really like the evocative signature you have - I am a Cohen fan! :smile: )

[Ciqala]

Here's the 3 strangest ufo's I've seen:

One time in broad daylight with my mom, I was just telling her about other strange things I had seen in the sky at night. She spotted it hovering above us first. This gigantic round sphere, completely translucent. It just floated there for 5 minutes and then sped off real fast.

One night I look out my window and see this gigantic perfectly square object floating in the middle of town. It was giant, and had many different coloured lights, almost looked like a flashing billboard. At first I thought it was actually a sky scraper that was flying in the air. But we don't have flying buildings here, let alone we don't have any buildings over 2 stories high here. The next day I couldn't find anything to explain it. I thought it must have been something weird from the military, but never got to the bottom of it. My phone stopped working right when I phoned my parents to wake up and go look outside. Then it disappeared. I wonder if it was a military thing and they somehow heard my call. There was also no noise, and it was very close to my house in the middle of town. Weird.

Walking in the boonies at night with my dog, it got suddenly bright as day outside. I heard a large crash in the bushes, and then all sound disappeared, like I was deaf. I heard something running out of the crash site, therefore got scared and took off and ran back home. Never went back there again.

[Deusdrum]

Having watched Morpheus' illuminating link - in his post #72 - I too am much more sceptical about the possibility of UFO sightings being anything other than the developments of secretive military enterprise.

I wonder what your thoughts are on this, i.e. how it affects your opinion now.

(By the way, I really like the evocative signature you have - I am a Cohen fan! :smile: )


I think there is no doubt some military involvement Amy. Fancy new technology they'd rather not have everyone privy to. But personally speaking also believe it to be more than that. I have entertained all sorts of theories. Read several different personal books/stories/accounts of different people over the years, and it is remarkable how much variety there is.

You have the metaphysical/dimensional angle, the demonic/angelic pov, then there is the Jungian theory of collective unconscious archetypes, there is the scientific approach of course, are they good, are they bad, what do they want? Which is a question i really like. Gets right to the heart of it.

But then that is assuming there is a 'they'. Maybe we are the 'they'. From an everything is interconnected standpoint, you could say this is maybe literally true. Quantum physics sort of claims as much, to the limited degree which i understand it at least.

Then you have guys like Jaques Vallee, John Keel and Robert Anton Wilson who make the association with the fae or fairy realm, and if you've read any of their books and research they are in my mind pretty successful at making a case for that, due to some of the striking similarities between fairy experience accounts from the past which Vallee does a fair bit of referencing of.

Alot of it of course is imagination, fantasy, hoaxing, mis-identification. One interesting idea that is thrown around here and there is that the powers that be purposefully plant sensationalized ridiculous false stories or intentionally create hoaxes in order to spread dirt on any possible legitimate cases by getting people to see one thing that is completely false and silly so that they will form a bias and prejudice towards labeling all experiences as baloney. The use of ridicule and humiliation is used a lot in that respect, or so it seems to me.

And part of that may come from some instinctual fear of the unknown. If they can shut down nuke silos, disappear, take off at incredible speeds or travel here from some other star system then what does that say about our chances against them? Maybe the government isn't ready to admit they are not top of the food chain, so to speak. And maybe they don't exactly want to give that impression to the public for good reason, it might cause quite the social collective existential crisis. But then again, maybe that would not be such a bad thing either. The only constant is change, as they say.

Then there is the project bluebeam theories that it is all an elaborate ruse put on by the powers that be through the use of holograms or whatever else to eventually lead us to some sort of global servitude, though the forum rules compel me to restrain myself from veering off in that direction.

Then there is the David Icke perspective of Reptilians and alot of the ufo community which seem to agree upon things like the greys. John Mack makes an excellent point, in that before the media even portrayed the typical grey aliens, people from all across the world would come up with similar descriptions that depicted the prototypical grey with the big almond black eyes, big head, short etc. etc. So if these people had never heard of what a grey was suppose to look like, and we're talking back in the 70's, then how do you explain how so many many thousands or more people all described them in such a similar way?

Mack also talks about the first grey that appeared in any mainstream media which was the movie 'Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind'; and Spielberg based his aliens on accounts from other people and sources, and not the other way around, or so Mack claims.

One of my favorite cases is Dorothy Izatt. It's closest to among the best evidence i've seen personally, if true. I believe i linked something about here earlier somewhere in the thread. J Allen Hynek the former skeptic himself believed her case was legitimate and spent some time with her.

So to answer your question lol, i have no idea. My guess is it's probably like the Matrix, "unfortunately no one can be told what the matrix is, you have to see it for yourself." And i have not really seen it for myself yet, to the best of my knowledge; so i will reserve judgment if or until that time, and then i may reserve judgment still.

Anyways, brainstorm of where i stand on it at the moment. I had a brief lucid dream once involving a UFO, or more correctly it appeared in my regularly unconscious dream right before the dream turned lucid.

There is a lot of smoke and mirrors i think, but as well, i think there may be an overall 'everything works out for the best in the end as part of a higher plan' source to it as well. If i wanted to believe any of them, it would be that one, but admittedly that may be due to considerations of my own peace of mind. I feel there is certainly a Spiritual element to it though, one way or another.

Wow, good long post this turned out to be lol!

Stream of consciousness gone wild hahaha. Well now you all know what my opinions are on the subject. Though my opinions are subject to change.

Peace. ~

[Deusdrum]

Here's the 3 strangest ufo's I've seen:

One time in broad daylight with my mom, I was just telling her about other strange things I had seen in the sky at night. She spotted it hovering above us first. This gigantic round sphere, completely translucent. It just floated there for 5 minutes and then sped off real fast.

One night I look out my window and see this gigantic perfectly square object floating in the middle of town. It was giant, and had many different coloured lights, almost looked like a flashing billboard. At first I thought it was actually a sky scraper that was flying in the air. But we don't have flying buildings here, let alone we don't have any buildings over 2 stories high here. The next day I couldn't find anything to explain it. I thought it must have been something weird from the military, but never got to the bottom of it. My phone stopped working right when I phoned my parents to wake up and go look outside. Then it disappeared. I wonder if it was a military thing and they somehow heard my call. There was also no noise, and it was very close to my house in the middle of town. Weird.

Walking in the boonies at night with my dog, it got suddenly bright as day outside. I heard a large crash in the bushes, and then all sound disappeared, like I was deaf. I heard something running out of the crash site, therefore got scared and took off and ran back home. Never went back there again.


Ciqala those are some crazy sounding experiences. It's interesting to me how many weird ufo/alien kind of stories and accounts come from in the woods. The Travis Walton case is a good example. Maybe there are nature spirits or entities which could become more aggressive because they're home in the forests of the world is being encroached upon. I always thought there was some link between forests and the ufo/alien subject. Then you have the Sasquatch. My good friend's brother claims to have seen a Sasquatch once.

So many names for what is nearly (at least it seems like) the same creature. Bigfoot, Yeti, Abominable snowman, Momo, etc etc.

[amy green]

Deusdrum - thanks for taking the time and for so thoroughly covering your reply to my question. What you say about the fear our governments have (about not being in control) seems patently true and it's interesting what you say about the greys.

I am still open minded on UFOs emanating from outside our world, i.e. am sure it is true but perhaps accounting for less of the sightings than we suppose.

[Deusdrum]

Thanks Amy. :)
Couple new videos, first one is from Massachusetts. Story from January 10th.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=o3syu04jmB4 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.youtube.com%252525252525252Fwatch%2525252 52525253Ffeature%252525252525253Dplayer_embedded%2 525252525252526amp%252525252525253Bv%2525252525252 53Do3syu04jmB4)

"The national UFO reporting center says that December 10th has been the most common day for reported UFO sightings for the past 50 years." Hmm, that is an interesting little fact from end of the video.

This one from Vancouver Island B.C., talks about an increase of sightings in 2013 and a recent wave from Victoria/the island. January 11th, uploaded January 14th.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGyopunhEWg&feature=player_embedded (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.youtube.com%252525252525252Fwatch%2525252 52525253Fv%252525252525253DCGyopunhEWg%25252525252 52526amp%252525252525253Bfeature%252525252525253Dp layer_embedded)

[Deusdrum]

Here are a couple new ones, taken from Real UFO's which is a site that i get a lot of my links from lately, they also have sighting videos and other things there. Here is the link to that website; http://www.realufos.net/

Here are the two recent news pieces taken from the above, one from Fox news and another from Cotulla Texas, each in their respective order as i have mentioned them, uploaded January 2th and 27th of this year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0drMT6bOpGY&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50jEeJrX26Q&feature=player_embedded

[Deusdrum]

Here is a 'Strange Universe' episode of the John Lennon UFO sighting which includes an interview with his girlfriend at the time May Pang and also some sketches drawn by John of the craft.

Included at the end is the radio interview where John recounts his experience. Sighting was in 1974. http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=e3uRox0Kt8Y (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%2525 2Fwatch%25253Fv%25253De3uRox0Kt8Y)

From the World Economic Forum; their 'Global Risks 2013 Report' video, wait for it...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btP9uve633A&feature=player_embedded (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%2525 2Fwatch%25253Fv%25253DbtP9uve633A%252526amp%25253B feature%25253Dplayer_embedded)

News piece from Albuquerque New Mexico, January 28th.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNrT26-gKEA (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%2525 2Fwatch%25253Fv%25253DkNrT26-gKEA)

Documentary from the History Channel, 'Secret Access'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Zd6wU7z2lAE

[Deusdrum]

...and we'll be right back, after these messages.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mapN5ZsWdA

[Deusdrum]

A curious and oddly titled documentary from 1976 called 'Overlords of the UFO'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUhoeZi9nek (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .youtube.com%252Fwatch%253Fv%253DdUhoeZi9nek)

Article today from Huffington post about celebrity UFO tweets on their twitter. Billy Ray Cyrus has a recent tweet apparently about seeing a UFO.

'Celebrities Tweet UFO Sightings'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alejandro-rojas/celebrities-tweet-ufo-sig_b_1077462.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .huffingtonpost.com%252Falejandro-rojas%252Fcelebrities-tweet-ufo-sig_b_1077462.html)

And here is a video i came across awhile ago which i welcome feedback on whether or not people think it is real. From Niagra falls. What do you think, CGI? A bird? A cheeky little white glowing orb bouncing around in the water?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTdbtkDXOqI (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .youtube.com%252Fwatch%253Fv%253DJTdbtkDXOqI)

[God-Like]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vDiOCVGrJo

x dazzle x

[Deusdrum]

Thanks for the vid God-Like, think I've seen it before myself and it is a good one.

Story of sightings in Eagle Ford Texas, uploaded Feb. 6th this year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OEvRt8wsfnA (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%252525252525 25252Fwatch%25252525252525253Ffeature%252525252525 25253Dplayer_embedded%252525252525252526amp%252525 25252525253Bv%25252525252525253DOEvRt8wsfnA)

Long lost Disney... yes Disney- UFO Documentary, from 1995. I don't remember 1995 being so old school back in the mid 90's. We live in a futuristic world now, and yet hover cars are still not part of the mass transit system, they haven't even been invented. Tesla would probably be disappointed, I know I am. Where are the hover cars promised in all the movies and science fiction books? I demand answers!

Anywho, Disney UFO Documentary link --->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHunekX1xPw&feature=player_embedded (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%252525252525 25252Fwatch%25252525252525253Fv%25252525252525253D DHunekX1xPw%252525252525252526amp%2525252525252525 3Bfeature%25252525252525253Dplayer_embedded)

The closing ceremonies at the 1984 Olympics, with an impressive special effects UFO/spaceship.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84fMrVVTz-I (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%252525252525 25252Fwatch%25252525252525253Fv%25252525252525253D 84fMrVVTz-I)

Former NASA astronaut Edgar Mitchell talks about his belief that aliens are real.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JhxxHxIEmO4 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%252525252525 25252Fwatch%25252525252525253Ffeature%252525252525 25253Dplayer_embedded%252525252525252526amp%252525 25252525253Bv%25252525252525253DJhxxHxIEmO4)

And of historical significance, an article from the Huffington post including the original newspaper headline about the alleged capture of a 'flying saucer.' I suppose if it had happened today it might have been the capture of a flying triangle.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/08/roswell-ufo-cia-agent-chase-brandon_n_1657077.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.huffingtonpost.com%25252525252F20 12%25252525252F07%25252525252F08%25252525252Froswe ll-ufo-cia-agent-chase-brandon_n_1657077.html)

& Here is that actual news article from July 8th, 1947, with some commentary;
http://www.angelfire.com/indie/anna_jones1/daily_record.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.angelfire.com%25252525252Findie%2 5252525252Fanna_jones1%25252525252Fdaily_record.ht ml)

^ Surprised i haven't included this yet in the thread, the mother of all UFO related news, the one that got the whole public/media UFO/alien ball rolling in many ways it would seem.

[Deusdrum]

Here is a couple different Larry King episodes with a prominent person in the UFO/Alien field, Whitley Strieber.

[1988 parts 1 & 2]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0HfikqH1-8 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%2525 2Fwatch%25253Fv%25253Dw0HfikqH1-8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wU9pv5H5ZnU (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%2525 2Fwatch%25253Fv%25253DwU9pv5H5ZnU)

[1990 parts 1 & 2]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BycckN9GnhE (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%2525 2Fwatch%25253Fv%25253DBycckN9GnhE)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yJmp_3YmcE (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%2525 2Fwatch%25253Fv%25253D-yJmp_3YmcE)

Strieber has always been an interesting person and case to me. Whether i believe everything he says, I don't know. But he has some great stories and says some things regarding what he calls the visitors, and also other things that if true are pretty astounding and worthy of consideration.

He is one of the most famous alleged alien abductee cases of all time, and also an author of books on the subject as well as fiction. He mentioned on Coast to Coast am how his career as a novelist was severely negatively impacted in terms of sales and publication after he went public with his abduction story.

Another interesting part of one of his purported abduction type experiences is that he claims to have been implanted with something by humans, rather than aliens and believes that there must be humans working intimately with extraterrestrials.

Would be interested to hear anyone's impressions of Whitley Strieber and if they have read any of his books and what they thought of them, etc.

[Deusdrum]

Haven't posted in this thread for awhile, and will probably leave it on idle after this as well, but came across this and thought I'd post it. Another U.F.O. entering a volcano.

Not able to translate the news anchor, but the footage is interesting (if real). From Mexico, video uploaded May 31st.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cZdP_49FlIQ

[psychoslice]

Haven't posted in this thread for awhile, and will probably leave it on idle after this as well, but came across this and thought I'd post it. Another U.F.O. entering a volcano.

Not able to translate the news anchor, but the footage is interesting (if real). From Mexico, video uploaded May 31st.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cZdP_49FlIQ
I feel that this footage is played backwards ??.

[Deusdrum]

Watching a video right now on youtube and it occurred to me it might be an idea to unearth this thread and post it here, as I've posted some other old school ufo videos here before. So the following is a 1956 radio interview with Richard Shaver and his publisher of the old sci-fi magazine 'Amazing Stories', Ray Palmer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTGYlTXpcpc (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttps%25252525 25252525253A%2525252525252525252F%2525252525252525 252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252525252Fwatch%2525 252525252525253Fv%2525252525252525253DwTGYlTXpcpc)

What is notable about Shaver, is that he claimed his stories to be true or based on actual events that happened to him. Later Palmer changed Shaver's stories to fiction officially; nonetheless Shaver maintains them as real, and in the interview his publisher supports him with the belief of that claim as well. It was the introduction into the social/mainstream/media consciousness of the idea and contention of the existence of underground alien bases, the first time the concept was suggested to a wider, public audience.

Shaver wrote other stories he also alleged to be based on real personal experiences of his.

So if anyone gives it a listen, let me know what you think. Is Shaver telling the truth? Is he delusional and merely believes he's telling the truth? Is he a writer spinning a good yarn? In other words, a liar? Would be interested to hear others thoughts. I love the old timey, frankness in the way people spoke on the radio back in those days. Tbh I'm only 20 minutes in myself, but they get to it right off the bat.

There is sort of an annoying periodic beep and listening a bit more now, the story/subject matter is getting somewhat disturbing (nothing obscene , it was public radio in the 50's after all) so listener discretion advised if you are sensitive to such things or can't handle the occasional beep, which would be perfectly understandable in either case.

[Deusdrum]

Subsequent in depth discussion/analysis on the Shaver mystery on the same radio program (without beeps!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hvWF3ywMzI (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwat ch%3Fv%3D7hvWF3ywMzI)

Gives further history and context around the Palmer & Shaver (alleged) story.

[Deusdrum]

Subsequent in depth discussion/analysis on the Shaver mystery on the same radio program (without beeps!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hvWF3ywMzI (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp s%2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.youtube.com%252525 2Fwatch%2525253Fv%2525253D7hvWF3ywMzI)

Gives further history and context around the Palmer & Shaver (alleged) story.
Erm, excuse me buddy but that's pretty shoddy research on your part. First of all, the above interview took place prior to the Shaver interview; but more importantly you are wrong about Shaver being the first to claim the existence of a subterranean race.

The 1871 sci-fi novel; 'Vril, The Power of the Coming Race' (which can be read legally in full, here) http://www.sacred-texts.com/atl/vril/ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .sacred-texts.com%252Fatl%252Fvril%252F) beat Shaver by several decades.

Maybe leave the history lessons to people who actually know what they're talking about, mkay? :cool:

Thhhaaaaannnks.

[Deusdrum]

Erm, excuse me buddy but that's pretty shoddy research on your part. First of all, the above interview took place prior to the Shaver interview; but more importantly you are wrong about Shaver being the first to claim the existence of a subterranean race.

The 1871 sci-fi novel; 'Vril, The Power of the Coming Race' (which can be read legally in full, here) http://www.sacred-texts.com/atl/vril/ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.sacred-texts.com%25252525252Fatl%25252525252Fvril%2525252 5252F) beat Shaver by several decades.

Maybe leave the history lessons to people who actually know what they're talking about, mkay? :cool:

Thhhaaaaannnks. Listen pal, no one likes a smug know it all, let alone one that talks to himself on a public forum. (could we not discuss this later in private, please?)

Anyways, here's an old ufo documentary circa 1976 narrated by Rod Sterling, the man from the Twilight Zone, entitled 'It Has Begun.' Also starring Jaques Vallee and Dr. J. Allen Hynek among others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phsUnYKjpUw
(http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%252 52Fwatch%25253Fv%25253DphsUnYKjpUw)

[Deusdrum]

Presentation from Sept of this year of Linda Moulton Howe at a MUFON conference about the Rendelsham (sp?) forest incident, including the videotape of a couple hypnosis regression sessions, one of them with the officer witness John Burrows as well as the other guy who's name escapes me atm. John Burrows also comes on as a guest speaker near the end. Personally find this very fascinating.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF4Liy1x7k4

[Deusdrum]

From the description of vid;

Original air-date: June 18, 1964. This recording is from the KVOS Channel 12 Films, Center for Pacific Northwest Studies, Western Washington University, Bellingham WA 98225-9123.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZbFsFWk__c

News special of some sort about ufos/ "flying saucers" featuring interviewee George Van Tassel and some of his theories re: time machines, apparently.

[Morpheus]

One has to admit, Rendelsham is very compelling.

[TesseLated]

Listen pal, no one likes a smug know it all, let alone one that talks to himself on a public forum. (could we not discuss this later in private, please?)

Anyways, here's an old ufo documentary circa 1976 narrated by Rod Sterling, the man from the Twilight Zone, entitled 'It Has Begun.' Also starring Jaques Vallee and Dr. J. Allen Hynek among others. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phsUnYKjpUw
(http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%252 52Fwatch%25253Fv%25253DphsUnYKjpUw)

lol...

I always found the one where the Mexican Air Force follows one to be valid

[Deusdrum]

Morpheus yeah the hypnosis sessions in particular got me, the part where he's talking about feeling tingling and the light moving close and far away in an instant, like they were messing with time and space somehow, and the tone of voice in which he spoke got my hair follicles rising. Spooky stuff, and yet endlessly curious/fascinating to me at the same time.

Here are some photos and interpretations of the symbols he saw on the craft that he also (allegedly) sketched down, pictures of the original notepad. http://www.therendleshamforestincident.com/Pictoral_Glyphs.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.therendleshamforest incident.com%2525252FPictoral_Glyphs.html)

Tess pretty sure I saw a bit on that incident on UFO Hunters, seemed legit. Any case with multiple presumably credible witnesses plus radar confirmation are all the more compelling.

Not that I need to be convinced of anything, I know somethings going on in the skies (and elsewhere on Earth) just what that is is where the mystery lies for me.

Btw feel free anyone to add any UFO/Alien news related links or stories to the thread if you feel so inclined. The more the merrier.

[Morpheus]

I think we are like that physics thought experiment, about people living in two dimensions, on the sheet of paper.

We are not usually aware of what does on, apart from our own 3-4 dimensional Universe, and world.

[Astral Jane]

DON'T expect it from CNN, nor MSNBC, nor ABC or CBS. ONLY the internet (Youtube is the best source, other video websites too) will show you the truth. OF COURSE some of them are poor quality or hoaxes. But saying that means all vids on YT are unreliable is like saying because you got one bad book at the library that means ALL books from the library are bad, for YT is only a library; it is not a single source.

[Deusdrum]

From local 9news in Breckinridge Colorado, story from Oct. 3 of this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrbLuDZlSao

[TesseLated]

So great....hard to dispute it when police/news catch it...haha

[Morpheus]

Dan Akroyd is hard to argue with. Do you think? Regarding the state of humanity?
How an advanced species would view us, our activities, and our behavior?

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/11/03/dan-aykroyd-aliens-think-humans-are-disgusting (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.torontosun.com%2525 252F2014%2525252F11%2525252F03%2525252Fdan-aykroyd-aliens-think-humans-are-disgusting)

[Mind's Eye]

Great thread... just bookmarking it with my stamp of approval for now. :smile:

[Morpheus]

http://img181.imagevenue.com/loc355/th_208766496_Depositphotos_45540297_s_570x467_122_ 355lo.jpg (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fimg 181.imagevenue.com%252Fimg.php%253Fimage%253D20876 6496_Depositphotos_45540297_s_570x467_122_355lo.jp g)


Herbert Schirmer

"A relatively new officer for the Ashland, Nebraska, Police Department, drove slowly down U.S. 6 highway near a Y in the road where 6 meets State Highway 63 at 2:30 a.m. on 3 December 1967."

Police Officer Makes Written Report of UFO Encountered on Road.

"The object hovered a few feet off the ground, partly over the highway and partly over the shoulder next to the ditch. Schirmer couldn’t hear any noise from the craft. It suddenly shot fifty feet into the air and disappeared.
The fun didn’t start until later."

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2014/10/mysterious-ufo-cases-of-nebraska/ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fmysteriousuniverse.org% 2525252F2014%2525252F10%2525252Fmysterious-ufo-cases-of-nebraska%2525252F)

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Prior, I posted about the Astrophysicist who personally witnessed what he decided were Earth sized objects, UFO's, entering and exiting the Sun. He had reasoned, after, that Stars may well all be singularities which an advanced civilization might learn to utilize for interstellar travel.

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2014/10/nasa-photo-shows-earth-sized-ufo-orbiting-sun/ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fmysteriousuniverse.o rg%25252F2014%25252F10%25252Fnasa-photo-shows-earth-sized-ufo-orbiting-sun%25252F)

"NASA Photo Shows Earth-sized UFO Orbiting Sun

This isn’t the first UFO seen orbiting the Sun but it’s certainly one of the biggest. Most news stories have been referring to a report that Russian scientists claimed to have seen an Earth-sized UFO enter orbit around the Sun five years ago. As recently as 2012, another photo taken by SOHO showed what looked like a ship with a boom arm, possibly refueling."

[Deusdrum]

Thanks Morpheus and everyone for the contributions.

I thought of a ufo documentary about the Phoenix Lights called ' I Know What I Saw'. While I am not a fan of some other things James Fox has done (see his tv series for example, forget what it's called) this is pretty interesting to me. Among other things, it shows a lot of eyewitness testimony and of particular note is the way governor Fife Simington handles the situation, initially with the attempt at being funny in the news conference and then his later admission in the video which I will not spoil for those who are not aware of what happened.

Phoenix lights of course one of the big american UFO cases.

Here it is on youtube in full. There is another one, fullscreen but lower resolution as well if you look for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSj9hzCe9Iw (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%252 52Fwatch%25253Fv%25253DWSj9hzCe9Iw)

Unlike most of my last entries this is fairly recent, 2009 is when the doc. was released and the sighting/s itself took place in 1997.

[Morpheus]

That is very good, Deusdrum. Hard to refute all the witnesses. Especially when they are describing not just lights manifested, but direct observation of some kind of craft.

Interested people ought to recall some earlier sightings, which involved illnesses incured by them, from their sightings?
Also, radiation effects in the surrounding environment, detected, where the events took place?

Now, here is an example of an anti-gravity situation produced with everyday items. Which could be harmful, I guess, if one stayed too close to the end result. Eight minute video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkNrNFAU4So (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fww w.youtube.com%252Fwatch%253Fv%253DIkNrNFAU4So)

[Deusdrum]

That is very good, Deusdrum. Hard to refute all the witnesses. Especially when they are describing not just lights manifested, but direct observation of some kind of craft.

Yes, multiple witnesses and imo they come across as honest.

Here's something from Russia that happened just days ago, really blowing up on Youtube. Couple vids from RT and another source.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C_7FuJVG0c (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwat ch%3Fv%3D4C_7FuJVG0c) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFSsLyX6N1A (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwat ch%3Fv%3DLFSsLyX6N1A)

Reminds me of the meteor videos from Russia in 2013; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpmXyJrs7iU

Pretty spectacular set of videos imo in both this most recent case and in 2013. Maybe not entirely ufo related although the orange light of the initial videos is as of yet unexplained.

[Deusdrum]

Author of the acclaimed book 'The Missing Times: News Media Complicity in the UFO Cover-up' Terry Hansen died June of this year.

Here is a short piece about him and his death from a blog I found. http://copycateffect.blogspot.ca/2014/06/hansen-frank-obits.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fcopycateffect.blogspot .ca%2F2014%2F06%2Fhansen-frank-obits.html)

And here is an interview w/ Terry January of 2013. Interview starts just passed the 11 minute mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CPCX5gvgmc (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwat ch%3Fv%3D_CPCX5gvgmc)

I myself have not read his book although I'd like to at some point.

[Morpheus]

Scheduled on Coast to Coast am:

Sun 12-21 Vatican Observatory & ETs
• Brother Guy Consolmagno | Father Paul Mueller

Mon 12-22 Survival of Consciousness/ UFO Disclosure
• Anthony Peake | Stephen Bassett

[Deusdrum]

^ Thanks Morpheus, often listen to c2c if the guest/s strike my fancy.

1958 Mike Wallace interview w/ Major Donal Keyhoe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqy0rRnKIoQ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttps%25252525253A%25252525252 F%25252525252Fwww.youtube.com%25252525252Fwatch%25 252525253Fv%25252525253DGqy0rRnKIoQ)

CBS news UFO story malfunction, not much other info given. Bonus Matrix binary bleed through at one point also. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FioQb5hxRz4 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%252 52Fwatch%25253Fv%25253DFioQb5hxRz4)

[Deusdrum]

A short 1952 UFO Documentary, 'The Flying Saucer Mystery' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-gobjVfFiQ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttps%2525252525252525 2525253A%25252525252525252525252F%2525252525252525 2525252Fwww.youtube.com%25252525252525252525252Fwa tch%25252525252525252525253Fv%25252525252525252525 253Dw-gobjVfFiQ)

Here is a list of "25 Controversial UFO photos" with some commentary & context to go along with each photograph. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B0ao1fyzeU (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttps%2525252525252525 2525253A%25252525252525252525252F%2525252525252525 2525252Fwww.youtube.com%25252525252525252525252Fwa tch%25252525252525252525253Fv%25252525252525252525 253D6B0ao1fyzeU)

2011 CNN program covering the UFO topic from The Joy Behar Show w/ interviews of Leslie Kean, Nick Pope, Fife Symington & James Fox, split into parts 1 & 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAmwkf5Z9qs (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttps%2525252525252525252 53A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fw ww.youtube.com%252525252525252525252Fwatch%2525252 52525252525253Fv%252525252525252525253DRAmwkf5Z9qs ) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlrAk1q3xno (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttps%2525252525252525252 53A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fw ww.youtube.com%252525252525252525252Fwatch%2525252 52525252525253Fv%252525252525252525253DIlrAk1q3xno )

May have posted the last link/s much earlier in the thread, it seems familiar although I cannot specifically recall having done so. May have just watched it myself sometime before.

It's 2015 already. Where does this thing called- time... go? And from whence does it come?? AaaaahhhhhhhH!@!@@!! :offtheair:

*hehem* Excuse me, lost myself for a moment there, I'm alright now! :smile:

[Astral Jane]

I came across a very important message (IMO) from this past 11:11
please check it out 'n notice the last sentence :wink:

http://cosmicascension.org/the-timeless-flight-through-the-1111-portal/#sthash.NjDQZiuH.dpbs
:angel7:

[Astral Jane]

This just happened in So Cal - anyone there seeing orbs or other UFO's? There are tons of reports,this one is just from yesterday.

http://youtu.be/DE1xcYXTZJI

I cant help but wonder if they are tryuing to warn the more populated parts of the country.

and theres this guy in LA area who can summon them:
http://youtu.be/VesL8ReaQSI

[KevinO]

This just happened in So Cal - anyone there seeing orbs or other UFO's? There are tons of reports,this one is just from yesterday.

http://youtu.be/DE1xcYXTZJI

I cant help but wonder if they are tryuing to warn the more populated parts of the country.

and theres this guy in LA area who can summon them:
http://youtu.be/VesL8ReaQSI

I looks like a piece of space junk falling into the atmosphere, to me.

[LeoJeo]

I looks like a piece of space junk falling into the atmosphere, to me.

Yessss, because "space junk" just happens to be perfectly round and shoots off at a faster speed than the "comet" it came from in a completely different direction... :icon_rolleyes: Give me a break lol.

[TesseLated]

and theres this guy in LA area who can summon them:
http://youtu.be/VesL8ReaQSI

The one I saw looked EXACTLY like this...doing this exact same thing...flying left and up...wow...very cool

[KevinO]

Yessss, because "space junk" just happens to be perfectly round and shoots off at a faster speed than the "comet" it came from in a completely different direction... :icon_rolleyes: Give me a break lol.

A "dot" of space junk would appear to be moving faster than the object it came from because it is traveling away from that object at speed. You make the common error of unconsciously assuming an absolute speed for the original junk and therefore assign both it's speed and the speed of the broken away dot to the dot. If you look at the dot as "original" the larger object would appear to accelerate.

Did you see film of the space shuttle breaking up? Same effect.

If it were a ship it probably would not appear that large, which is happening because it is on fire.

[Deusdrum]

How bout a little bit of Jacques Vallee all up in ya faces? Huh?! How'd you like that?!?!? *Smap!*

'Thinking Allowed' interview with him from PBS sometime after 1987. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ETMzkhBQ6w (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp s%2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.youtube.com%252525 2Fwatch%2525253Fv%2525253D7ETMzkhBQ6w)

Thank you btw Astral Jane and everyone for contributions, interesting links for sure though I haven't checked your second post yet. I do believe I posted a link pertaining to the ufo summoning guy earlier in the thread.

Ooh and one of my favorite UFO researchers and imo one of the most legitimate/honest guys in the field and a giant in the game, Richard Dolan interview from around New Years. Interview begins just before 33 minute mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5agDDeB0m4 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwat ch%3Fv%3Dc5agDDeB0m4)

I am listening to it for the first time myself right now, so can't give much in the way of critique although I tend to usually enjoy a Richard Dolan interview.

[Deusdrum]

John Lennon talks about his UFO Sighting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh6x888VfgE (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttp% 2525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252 52F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%2525252525252525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252 52525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525252525253Flink% 2525252525252525252525253Dhttps%252525252525252525 252525253A%252525252525252525252525252F%2525252525 25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252525 25252525252Fwatch%252525252525252525252525253Fv%25 2525252525252525252525253DXh6x888VfgE)

A few songs; David Bowie, CCR with Starman, It Came Out of the Sky https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2vkKAU8_Hk (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttp% 2525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252 52F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%2525252525252525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252 52525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525252525253Flink% 2525252525252525252525253Dhttps%252525252525252525 252525253A%252525252525252525252525252F%2525252525 25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252525 25252525252Fwatch%252525252525252525252525253Fv%25 2525252525252525252525253DH2vkKAU8_Hk) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dsVgrO8cqQ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D https%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%2525252525 25252Fwww.youtube.com%252525252525252Fwatch%252525 252525253Fv%252525252525253D_dsVgrO8cqQ)

& DJ Spooky w/ Kool Keith, Seein' Objects https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXLH_lcCcu0 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttp% 2525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252 52F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%2525252525252525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252 52525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525252525253Flink% 2525252525252525252525253Dhttps%252525252525252525 252525253A%252525252525252525252525252F%2525252525 25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252525 25252525252Fwatch%252525252525252525252525253Fv%25 2525252525252525252525253DlXLH_lcCcu0)

From DJ Qbert's new album Extraterrestria, track called Ascender. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_G9bGAWNjE (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp s%2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.youtube.com%252525 2Fwatch%2525253Fv%2525253DV_G9bGAWNjE) According to Qbert; "Extraterrestria is a wide collection of various types of music from other planets and dimensions from around the galaxy." Hmm, interesting.

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Two things from 1995; Travis Walton's first interview on C2Cam w/ Art Bell, Mike Rogers one of the men from the crew is also on the program. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MA0QwX3UeI (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttps%25252525 25252525253A%2525252525252525252F%2525252525252525 252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252525252Fwatch%2525 252525252525253Fv%2525252525252525253D7MA0QwX3UeI) They discuss the movie and in which ways it was accurate or took liberties with actual (alleged) events. The movie being 'Fire In the Sky', which incidentally I saw for the first time on the family channel of all places. What a movie to throw at kids right before they go to bed, lol wow.

A 'Sightings' special VHS episode, called 'The UFO Report' also from '95. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPO9TcQQhyY (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttps%25252525 25252525253A%2525252525252525252F%2525252525252525 252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252525252Fwatch%2525 252525252525253Fv%2525252525252525253DIPO9TcQQhyY) Sightings was a tv show from back in the day.
If you want to skip previews, program starts just prior to 4min mark. Might be scary in parts for some, viewer discretion advised. 'Fair Use Notice' contained in vid. description.

And an interview along w/ some pictures and video from a "ufo enthusiast" in a CTV news piece from a couple days ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1eOydXN5dw (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttps%25252525 25252525253A%2525252525252525252F%2525252525252525 252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252525252Fwatch%2525 252525252525253Fv%2525252525252525253DF1eOydXN5dw) Witnesses are from Sudbury Ontario.

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From the Times of India an article; '10,000-year-old rock paintings depicting aliens and UFOs found in Chhattisgarh' http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/10000-year-old-rock-paintings-depicting-aliens-and-UFOs-found-in-Chhattisgarh/articleshow/38435091.cms (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttp% 2525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252 52F%2525252525252525252525252Ftimesofindia.indiati mes.com%2525252525252525252525252Findia%2525252525 252525252525252F10000-year-old-rock-paintings-depicting-aliens-and-UFOs-found-in-Chhattisgarh%2525252525252525252525252Farticleshow %2525252525252525252525252F38435091.cms)

Segment from Ancient Aliens talking about the history of ufo/aliens in art from our distant past. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLA1zoWPDBs (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttps %2525252525252525252525253A%2525252525252525252525 252F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%252 5252525252525252525252Fwatch%252525252525252525252 5253Fv%2525252525252525252525253DqLA1zoWPDBs)

Something a little different, an online article from the BBC about ghost or phantom planes w/ several brief eyewitness accounts given, ranging from the 1950's to the 2000's (the one lady in 2009 saw a WW2 plane). http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/northeastwales/hi/people_and_places/newsid_8454000/8454006.stm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttp% 2525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252 52F%2525252525252525252525252Fnews.bbc.co.uk%25252 52525252525252525252Flocal%25252525252525252525252 52Fnortheastwales%2525252525252525252525252Fhi%252 5252525252525252525252Fpeople_and_places%252525252 5252525252525252Fnewsid_8454000%252525252525252525 2525252F8454006.stm)

Collection of stories about mysterious phantom plane crashes. http://paranormal.about.com/od/earthmysteries/a/Phantom-Plane-Crashes.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttp% 2525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252 52F%2525252525252525252525252Fparanormal.about.com %2525252525252525252525252Fod%25252525252525252525 25252Fearthmysteries%2525252525252525252525252Fa%2 525252525252525252525252FPhantom-Plane-Crashes.htm)

Sneaky Sound System - UFO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzL7zwa_mas (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttps %2525252525252525252525253A%2525252525252525252525 252F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%252 5252525252525252525252Fwatch%252525252525252525252 5253Fv%2525252525252525252525253DYzL7zwa_mas)

From Utah, news anchor explains how a mischievous local lenticular cloud disguises itself as a UFO. http://www.kutv.com/news/features/local-news/stories/Lenticular-cloud-in-Southern-Utah-takes-UFO-like-shape-66829.shtml#.VL2Uoi622Sr (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttp% 2525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252 52F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.kutv.com%2525252 525252525252525252Fnews%2525252525252525252525252F features%2525252525252525252525252Flocal-news%2525252525252525252525252Fstories%25252525252 52525252525252FLenticular-cloud-in-Southern-Utah-takes-UFO-like-shape-66829.shtml%25252525252525252525252523.VL2Uoi622Sr ) A friend of mine once said he thought UFO's sometimes hide in clouds, which I found interesting and I've looked suspiciously at roundish clouds in the sky ever since.

Check out this short clip of a time lapsed lenticular cloud and tell me if something about it seems odd, eery music included. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y67gOsHEnBQ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttps %2525252525252525252525253A%2525252525252525252525 252F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%252 5252525252525252525252Fwatch%252525252525252525252 5253Fv%2525252525252525252525253Dy67gOsHEnBQ)
Looks strange, who's to say it's not natural though.

Getting my money's worth with this post, lol. From Open Minds website by way of MUFON, a very recent case from Texas, a couple describes their close encounter (20 ft.-ish?) with a small, triangular ufo. Sketches from witnesses were drawn immediately after sighting and are provided in the report. http://www.openminds.tv/texas-couple-describes-triangle-ufo-20-feet/31649 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.openminds.tv%25252525252Ftexas-couple-describes-triangle-ufo-20-feet%25252525252F31649)

Last but not least, short video of a Sioux chief talking about Star People. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kri3cbc_IxA (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttps%25252525253A%25252525252 F%25252525252Fwww.youtube.com%25252525252Fwatch%25 252525253Fv%25252525253Dkri3cbc_IxA)

[TesseLated]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/01/19/air-force-ufo-files/21985651/

Out today...prob just took out what they didnt want to release..lol...video is pretty good...Reporter is somewhat lacking..heh...no Roswell stuff in it although some air force people reported things

[Morpheus]

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/photo/view/dave_schrader_s_trout_lake_sighting/71182 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.coasttocoastam.com %2Fphoto%2Fview%2Fdave_schrader_s_trout_lake_sight ing%2F71182)

A case for biological...

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From Yahoo News; 'Obama adviser John Podesta's biggest regret: Keeping America in dark about UFOs'

-Outgoing senior Obama adviser John Podesta reflected on his latest White House stint Friday, listing his favorite moments and biggest regrets from the past year. Chief among them: depriving the American people of the truth about UFOs. http://news.yahoo.com/outgoing-obama-adviser-john-podesta-s-biggest-regret-of-2014--keeping-america-in-the-dark-about-ufos-234149498.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fnews.yahoo.com%2525252F outgoing-obama-adviser-john-podesta-s-biggest-regret-of-2014--keeping-america-in-the-dark-about-ufos-234149498.html)


1994 Holland County, Michigan UFO wave, From vid. description;

"There were so many reports that one of the Ottawa County 911 operators decided to call the National Weather Service radar operator at Muskegon. The conversations that 911 had with the NWS operator were entirely recorded and presented here." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHebYuDPgxM (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%252 52Fwatch%25253Fv%25253DRHebYuDPgxM)

Short, old Fox News t.v. piece about testing Billy Meier UFO sounds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RBHtJJBqfM

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Story from 'Michigan Today' about the 1966 Michigan UFO wave and origin of the "swamp gas" theory. http://michigantoday.umich.edu/ann-arbor-vs-the-flying-saucers/ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fmichigantoday.umich. edu%25252Fann-arbor-vs-the-flying-saucers%25252F)

Short interview with J Allen Hynek who in 1977 had subsequently changed his tune about the phenomenon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Je3vlCAltI (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%252 52Fwatch%25253Fv%25253D6Je3vlCAltI)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLpJF2OrrS8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiv3rA4eL5I

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A couple real doozys of recent ufo related news, hot off the presses!.. Cyber-presses! The tweeterings! I'll start with one from Huffington Post about former chief of staff to Pres. Clinton and also counselor to Pres. Obama John Podesta. From Feb. 20 of this year.

"It was the tweet heard round the worlds. On John Podesta's last day at the White House on February 13th, the longtime Presidential counselor, who is likely to chair a 2016 Hillary Clinton campaign, dashed off a confession that lit the blogosphere with thousands of retweets and comments: "Finally, my biggest failure of 2014: Once again not securing the #disclosure of the UFO files." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/leslie-kean/john-podesta-pulling-back_b_6717872.html?utm_hp_ref=ufo (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttp% 2525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252 52F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%2525252525252525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252 52525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525252525253Flink% 2525252525252525252525253Dhttp%2525252525252525252 52525253A%252525252525252525252525252F%25252525252 5252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252 525252525252525252Fvb%252525252525252525252525252F redir.php%252525252525252525252525253Flink%2525252 52525252525252525253Dhttp%252525252525252525252525 25253A%25252525252525252525252525252F%252525252525 25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525 252525252525252525252Fvb%2525252525252525252525252 5252Fredir.php%25252525252525252525252525253Flink% 25252525252525252525252525253Dhttp%252525252525252 5252525252525253A%2525252525252525252525252525252F %2525252525252525252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforu ms.com%2525252525252525252525252525252Fvb%25252525 25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525252525252 53Dhttp%252525252525252525252525252525253A%2525252 52525252525252525252525252F%2525252525252525252525 25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252525 2525252525252525252Fvb%252525252525252525252525252 525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252 525252525252525252525252525253A%252525252525252525 25252525252525252F%2525252525252525252525252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252 52525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252525252525252525 252Fredir.php%25252525252525252525252525252525253F link%25252525252525252525252525252525253Dhttp%2525 252525252525252525252525252525253A%252525252525252 5252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252525252525 25252525252Fwww.huffingtonpost.com%252525252525252 5252525252525252525252Fleslie-kean%2525252525252525252525252525252525252Fjohn-podesta-pulling-back_b_6717872.html%252525252525252525252525252525 2525253Futm_hp_ref%2525252525252525252525252525252 525253Dufo)

The next is from Earthfiles.com. Brief quote from article;

"Today retired USAF Tech Sgt. John Burroughs and his attorney, Pat Frascogna, from Jackson, Mississippi, announced in a press release the "U. S. Government's De Facto Acknowledgement of the Existence of UFOs." This breakthrough comes with the Veterans Administration finally granting John Burroughs in January 2015 full medical disability for bodily injury in the line of duty when John twice encountered mysterious aerial lights in the U. K.'s Rendlesham Forest on December 26 and 28, 1980" https://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=2284&category=Science (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttp% 2525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252 52F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%2525252525252525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252 52525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525252525253Flink% 2525252525252525252525253Dhttp%2525252525252525252 52525253A%252525252525252525252525252F%25252525252 5252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252 525252525252525252Fvb%252525252525252525252525252F redir.php%252525252525252525252525253Flink%2525252 52525252525252525253Dhttp%252525252525252525252525 25253A%25252525252525252525252525252F%252525252525 25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525 252525252525252525252Fvb%2525252525252525252525252 5252Fredir.php%25252525252525252525252525253Flink% 25252525252525252525252525253Dhttp%252525252525252 5252525252525253A%2525252525252525252525252525252F %2525252525252525252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforu ms.com%2525252525252525252525252525252Fvb%25252525 25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525252525252 53Dhttp%252525252525252525252525252525253A%2525252 52525252525252525252525252F%2525252525252525252525 25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252525 2525252525252525252Fvb%252525252525252525252525252 525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252 525252525252525252525252525253A%252525252525252525 25252525252525252F%2525252525252525252525252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252 52525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252525252525252525 252Fredir.php%25252525252525252525252525252525253F link%25252525252525252525252525252525253Dhttps%252 5252525252525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525 25252525252525252525252F%2525252525252525252525252 525252525252Fwww.earthfiles.com%252525252525252525 2525252525252525252Fnews.php%252525252525252525252 5252525252525253FID%252525252525252525252525252525 2525253D2284%2525252525252525252525252525252525252 6amp%2525252525252525252525252525252525253Bcategor y%2525252525252525252525252525252525253DScience) [Bold is mine]

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The news guys themselves catch something on their camera.

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Rod Sterling in full effect. Originally aired March, 1962.

-edit- oh i covered the John Podesta thing in previous post, but it was yahoo news rather than Huffington Post.

[Deusdrum]

Deusdrum you big adorable dummy you forgot about the alleged UFO Crash story from Canada.

From CBC News, took place near Winnipeg Manitoba. 'UFO near Jackhead? It's actually a plane, says military' http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/ufo-near-jackhead-it-s-actually-a-plane-says-military-1.2963994 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.cbc.ca%25252525252Fnews%252525252 52Fcanada%25252525252Fmanitoba%25252525252Fufo-near-jackhead-it-s-actually-a-plane-says-military-1.2963994) From February 19 of this year. Recommend reading the comments at the bottom of the article, some intriguing assertions made about the incident by couple different posters, amidst the other comments of ridicule and claims of coverup. Obviously nothing much in the way of proof to base conclusions on internet comments, but interesting reading in any case.

[Nature Grows]

Deusdrum you big adorable dummy you forgot about the alleged UFO Crash story from Canada.

From CBC News, took place near Winnipeg Manitoba. 'UFO near Jackhead? It's actually a plane, says military' http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/ufo-near-jackhead-it-s-actually-a-plane-says-military-1.2963994 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.cbc.ca%2525252Fnews %2525252Fcanada%2525252Fmanitoba%2525252Fufo-near-jackhead-it-s-actually-a-plane-says-military-1.2963994) February 19 of this year.

Heard about this, apparently it crashed into the ice or something, the area was guarded an locals had there houses raided to see if they took any footage.

[Deusdrum]

^ Seems bit overkill not to mention a violation of civil rights to raid people's houses for footage over a military exercise (as they say it was). Don't authorities need a warrant anymore to enter people's homes?

- Here's a controversial video from 1996 of orbs of light apparently forming a crop circle, known as the Oliver's Castle crop circle case. First vid is from a documentary, 2nd is from National Geographic claiming it was a hoax, third link is an article which professes to explain how the man who confessed to the video being a hoax was himself lying. (hoaxing a hoax?) Of course the article is from a crop circle website, so bias may be a factor? What do you think? Footage legit or not?
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-From the Boston Globe, 'Berkshire Museum Says Alien Encounter is True,' published March 1st of this year re: a case from 1966.
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An editorial piece on this, also from the Boston Globe that sheds more light on the case itself and the people involved.
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- From Vice, January 23rd of this year, government releases blue book files.
'Blue Book has long been assumed to be a trove of UFO data by researchers, but its findings were shrouded in secrecy. Even after the documents were declassified they sat on microfilm in the National Archive in Washington, DC. That was the case until last week, when John Greenewald, Jr. uploaded 130,000 pages of Project Blue Book documentation onto a massive, searchable online database.'
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[Deusdrum]

Here's a couple documentaries, the first about weird Nasa/other sources of video/photos of anomalous things on the moon (and Mars). Admittedly on the sensationalistic and speculative side in places, although if the footage they show is legitimate then it gives some food for thought. One planetary geologist apparently debunks the face on Mars. Uploaded 2015. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXmtAdB-bgY (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttps%25252525252525253A%25252525252525 252F%25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%25252525252 525252Fwatch%25252525252525253Fv%25252525252525253 DjXmtAdB-bgY)

Second one about U.S. Presidents and UFO's/aliens. Includes Harry Truman public admittance of speaking with the military about UFO's on a regular basis (which I was not aware of prior to watching). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqRMC10QEKI (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttps%25252525252525253A%25252525252525 252F%25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%25252525252 525252Fwatch%25252525252525253Fv%25252525252525253 DBqRMC10QEKI)

Former Alaska Senator Mike Gravel speaks about Citizen Hearing on UFO Disclosure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FzQlyVcfms (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttps%25252525252525253A%25252525252525 252F%25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%25252525252 525252Fwatch%25252525252525253Fv%25252525252525253 D6FzQlyVcfms)

Robert Salas talks about UFO disarming nuclear missiles, short excerpt from a Larry King interview. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYuIeJD_AcE (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttps%25252525252525253A%25252525252525 252F%25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%25252525252 525252Fwatch%25252525252525253Fv%25252525252525253 DyYuIeJD_AcE)

'Is there life on Kepler-186f?' Short synopsis/news vid of first planet discovered in 'goldie locks' zone (just right... for life to evolve, acc. to scientists) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zld7Lrvjyrs (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttps%25252525253A%25252525252 F%25252525252Fwww.youtube.com%25252525252Fwatch%25 252525253Fv%25252525253DZld7Lrvjyrs)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Sf2DMqmfPY (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttps%25252525252525253A%25252525252525 252F%25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%25252525252 525252Fwatch%25252525252525253Fv%25252525252525253 D-Sf2DMqmfPY) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8rZ059UnmM (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D https%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%2525252525 25252Fwww.youtube.com%252525252525252Fwatch%252525 252525253Fv%252525252525253DZ8rZ059UnmM)

[Aquahorse]

Here's a couple documentaries, the first about weird Nasa/other sources of video/photos of anomalous things on the moon. Admittedly on the sensationalistic and speculative side, although if the footage they show is legitimate then it gives some food for thought. From 2015. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXmtAdB-bgY (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttps%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.youtube .com%252525252Fwatch%252525253Fv%252525253DjXmtAdB -bgY)

Second one about U.S. Presidents and UFO's/aliens. Includes Harry Truman public admittance of speaking with the military about UFO's on a regular basis (which I was not aware of prior to watching). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqRMC10QEKI (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttps%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.youtube .com%252525252Fwatch%252525253Fv%252525253DBqRMC10 QEKI)

Former Alaska Senator Mike Gravel speaks about Citizen Hearing on UFO Disclosure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FzQlyVcfms (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttps%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.youtube .com%252525252Fwatch%252525253Fv%252525253D6FzQlyV cfms)

Robert Salas talks about UFO disarming nuclear missiles, short excerpt from a Larry King interview. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYuIeJD_AcE (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttps%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.youtube .com%252525252Fwatch%252525253Fv%252525253DyYuIeJD _AcE)

'Is there life on Kepler-186f?' Short synopsis/news vid of first planet discovered in 'goldie locks' zone (just right... for life to evolve, acc. to scientists) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zld7Lrvjyrs (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fww w.youtube.com%252Fwatch%253Fv%253DZld7Lrvjyrs)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Sf2DMqmfPY (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttps%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.youtube .com%252525252Fwatch%252525253Fv%252525253D-Sf2DMqmfPY) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8rZ059UnmM (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp s%2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.youtube.com%252525 2Fwatch%2525253Fv%2525253DZ8rZ059UnmM)

Nice, Deusdrum, looks like you bringing everyone up to speed. I prefer David Wilcock as he has been studying UFO's & ancient temples referring to UFOs & is in contact with most of the leading authorities on these subjects. Check out the connection of the anomoly in the sky during Obama's Peace Prize.

[Deusdrum]

To be honest with you Aquahorse I am dubious of Wilcock in certain respects. Don't get me wrong, I like some of what he says like when he talks about the importance of love etc., but I find a lot of his claims from his alleged "insiders" and many other things he says (like he's the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce for example, which the A.R.E. doesn't believe is true) a little far fetched and vague. He also seems overly defensive at times when questioned about certain things and to my knowledge hasn't provided much terms of backing up a lot of what he says with specific sources or information that can be checked, analyzed by others and vetted.

I have a hard time taking anyone seriously who professes absolute knowledge and expertise about UFO's and aliens. But he does throw out some interesting ideas, to be sure and by no means do i wish to disparage him or discourage people from him.

Anyways, though I'd put up some vids from another controversial figure involved w/ UFO's; a series of interviews w/ Bob Lazar and his claims of the govt.'s back engineering of extraterrestrial spacecraft. Before 1989, Lazar went only by "Dennis" but eventually came forward with his identity. The last one is quite recent, sort of revisiting the first interview that apparently made quite a splash back in 1989 when the story first broke. He claims to have seen such crafts first hand at the Roswell base.

Brief excerpts from the first t.v. news interview. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i4Fu_L7cHM (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 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Another Knapp story about Roswell from the same time period, right before the Lazar interview. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLPFzdPvEvM (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttp% 2525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252 52F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%2525252525252525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252 52525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525252525253Flink% 2525252525252525252525253Dhttp%2525252525252525252 52525253A%252525252525252525252525252F%25252525252 5252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252 525252525252525252Fvb%252525252525252525252525252F redir.php%252525252525252525252525253Flink%2525252 52525252525252525253Dhttp%252525252525252525252525 25253A%25252525252525252525252525252F%252525252525 25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525 252525252525252525252Fvb%2525252525252525252525252 5252Fredir.php%25252525252525252525252525253Flink% 25252525252525252525252525253Dhttp%252525252525252 5252525252525253A%2525252525252525252525252525252F %2525252525252525252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforu ms.com%2525252525252525252525252525252Fvb%25252525 25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525252525252 53Dhttps%252525252525252525252525252525253A%252525 252525252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252 525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%252525252525252525252 525252525252Fwatch%2525252525252525252525252525252 53Fv%252525252525252525252525252525253DuLPFzdPvEvM )

[Lazar's]"official videotaped testimony of his personal involvement in the reverse engineering of alien spacecraft of extraterrestrial origins.."
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'George Knapp Interview 25 years after first historic interview' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auuVZWx-LXI (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttp% 2525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252 52F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%2525252525252525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252 52525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525252525253Flink% 2525252525252525252525253Dhttp%2525252525252525252 52525253A%252525252525252525252525252F%25252525252 5252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252 525252525252525252Fvb%252525252525252525252525252F redir.php%252525252525252525252525253Flink%2525252 52525252525252525253Dhttp%252525252525252525252525 25253A%25252525252525252525252525252F%252525252525 25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525 252525252525252525252Fvb%2525252525252525252525252 5252Fredir.php%25252525252525252525252525253Flink% 25252525252525252525252525253Dhttp%252525252525252 5252525252525253A%2525252525252525252525252525252F %2525252525252525252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforu ms.com%2525252525252525252525252525252Fvb%25252525 25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525252525252 53Dhttps%252525252525252525252525252525253A%252525 252525252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252 525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%252525252525252525252 525252525252Fwatch%2525252525252525252525252525252 53Fv%252525252525252525252525252525253DauuVZWx-LXI)

Another from his most recent interview about the alleged element 115. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsU3A9SFen4 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwat ch%3Fv%3DgsU3A9SFen4)

For the record, I am aware that Lazar has been called out on some of his claims, for instance re: his academic credentials etc, so as I say very much a controversial guy. But he has some interesting assertions about the "propulsion" system etc. So for your critical consideration I present this and of course come to your own conclusions (if any) and impressions.

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[Tazza]

I'm starting this thread to post or link anything related to UFO's in the news, i always find it interesting how media treats the subject.

Anyways, here's a recent one from ABC News, with ufo footage as well as witness testimony.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIxBuYVR-Ik&feature=player_embedded

This is a great idea,i'll be in touch!

[Deusdrum]

Sounds good Tazza :)

The Ruwa, Zimbabwe UFO incident from 1994 involving 62 children, all of them students at Ariel Elementary school where the encounter (allegedly) took place.

1st is a short clip of interviews w/ some of the children and teachers by the late, former Harvard professor of psychiatry John Mack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkYtMgFkT8A (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttps%25252525252525253A%25252525252525 252F%25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%25252525252 525252Fwatch%25252525252525253Fv%25252525252525253 DnkYtMgFkT8A)

Next one is longer and includes further/other students testimony. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pKC11SDnog (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttps%25252525252525253A%25252525252525 252F%25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%25252525252 525252Fwatch%25252525252525253Fv%25252525252525253 D_pKC11SDnog)

And finally an article from the Mail & Guardian Africa from 2014 revisiting the Ruwa case.

They catch up with one of the former Ariel elementary school students all those years later with an interview and the story gives some additional details and background of the incident along with different drawings of the ufo by some of the kids. http://mg.co.za/article/2014-09-04-remembering-zimbabwes-great-alien-invasion (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fmg.co.za%25252525252525252Fa rticle%25252525252525252F2014-09-04-remembering-zimbabwes-great-alien-invasion)

[Tazza]

I'm starting this thread to post or link anything related to UFO's in the news, i always find it interesting how media treats the subject.

Anyways, here's a recent one from ABC News, with ufo footage as well as witness testimony.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIxBuYVR-Ik&feature=player_embedded


Found this very interesting...Its a discussion relating to aliens from a retired whistleblower, and also goes onto a meeting at congress discussing aliens, alien technology and black projects...Enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI0Ee81epXM&hd=1

[Nature Grows]

Any new ones Deusdrum?

[Aquahorse]

[QUOTE]To be honest with you Aquahorse I am dubious of Wilcock in certain respects. Don't get me wrong, I like some of what he says like when he talks about the importance of love etc., but I find a lot of his claims from his alleged "insiders" and many other things he says (like he's the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce for example, which the A.R.E. doesn't believe is true) a little far fetched and vague. He also seems overly defensive at times when questioned about certain things and to my knowledge hasn't provided much terms of backing up a lot of what he says with specific sources or information that can be checked, analyzed by others and vetted.[QUOTE]

I agree completely with you, even if he is a reincarnate of Cayce, what difference would that make in this lifetime & who really cares.I do believe, however that some of his vagueness is do to a power struggle taking place where some in control don't want the public aware of what is being manipulated & by whom.

[Tazza]

Hi all

Found a compilation that shows some recent sightings last 2/3 yrs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaCS8rdkeyQ

[Astral Jane]

Bringing it close to the mainstream- and getting pretty mainstream for those under 30 -
Sean David Morton on Buzzsaw on RT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1gLoXyb3NA

[wmsm]

I'm starting this thread to post or link anything related to UFO's in the news, i always find it interesting how media treats the subject.

Anyways, here's a recent one from ABC News, with ufo footage as well as witness testimony.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIxBuYVR-Ik&feature=player_embedded
I understand that UFO bodies are conversion signals for gaining the wavelengths for uranium and other radiated bodies into a nuclear fuel.

Our atmospheric condition was always occult explained as a Holy Heavenly light body.

Evidence of ancient life demonstrates that black body radiation attacked the planetary system and Earth because of ancient human beings (incinerated and found in coal beds). The stone fusion of crystal burnt out of the stone and released and levitated large bodies off the face of Planet Earth. As this happened, the information was recorded in the destroying atmosphere.

When the atmosphere was replaced by Earth gases cooling called the death of the Christ (oxygen or holy ox), the rising of the spirit out of the tombs of the dead and the replacing of the Christ Heavenly spirit body back with the God Heaven it was released from, was the condition called SION.

Ancient humans who wanted to build with levitation of stone, accessed the ancient records in the atmosphere psychically and then reapplied the informed status of levitating stone. This reburnt the healed atmospheric condition, formed UFO bodies and then extra falling out burnt evil spirit image body signals, just as is happening today.

This is because Scientists of the Occult, who gained all methods for conversion via informed image records in our atmosphere documented all of the data for conversion of stone matter.

Following this information they reconverted the ancient SION signal and increased the wavelength signal, destroying a huge mass of Holy Ox or Oxygen in the conversion, which then allowed the evil burnt image/spirit and wavelengths to begin to attack our brains/ our cells/ and our spirit.

UFO's therefore are caused by circumstance of ancient black body radiation moving through the space system, cooling its signal, gaining imagery and sound in the transfers, received in Planet Earth's own atmospheric transmisSION via windows ancients called HELL. He an ancient term for window and EL God.

Therefore ancient information does demonstrate that ancient scientific practices understood the precepts for stone conversions and levitation on an atomic level (12 time) via the secreted versions of the religious occult information.

So we should not be at all surprised about the information the UFO bodies cause our brains/spirits/cells/psychic evaluations to gain, for it is caused by unnatural scientific practices that gained the activation for the converSION signal for scientific use.

[Deusdrum]

That is one doozy of an interesting post wmsm. Don't know what to make of it tbh, but something to consider and ponder upon anyways. Thanks for the contribution. :)

I came here to post UFO songs but feel i should mention that whole roswell slides controversy that has seemingly tarnished the reputation of Richard Dolan somewhat. All these guys claiming an alien body when some other people did due diligence and discovered the marker below the body in fact was the mummified remains of a small child or baby. By the looks of it a pretty purposeful hoax being passed off as real by people who knew better. Dolla dolla bills yall! $$$!!.. $ad.

Don't have a link handy, but it's been quite the scandal apparently and you could find a bunch of dif. thoughts/stories/things on the internet about it.

Who can you trust anymore, the ufo field seems shady and dodgy as heck these days. Trust no one!!! *looks around suspicious and paranoid*

Jimi Hendrix - Somewhere https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-THhwh5mNI (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttps%25252525252525253A%25252525252525 252F%25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%25252525252 525252Fwatch%25252525252525253Fv%25252525252525253 DG-THhwh5mNI) Monster Magnet - Behind the Clouds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91IduWodFQQ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttps%25252525252525253A%25252525252525 252F%25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%25252525252 525252Fwatch%25252525252525253Fv%25252525252525253 D91IduWodFQQ)

Nas We're Not Alone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqNSIlfaXnk Ramones - Zero Zero UFO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r4ic4uTQ9I (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttps%25252525252525253A%25252525252525 252F%25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%25252525252 525252Fwatch%25252525252525253Fv%25252525252525253 D2r4ic4uTQ9I)

Blondie - Rapture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yimoQM6tIaA (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttps%25252525252525253A%25252525252525 252F%25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%25252525252 525252Fwatch%25252525252525253Fv%25252525252525253 DyimoQM6tIaA) Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Area 52 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms04kOyy__w (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttps%25252525252525253A%25252525252525 252F%25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%25252525252 525252Fwatch%25252525252525253Fv%25252525252525253 DMs04kOyy__w)

Emperor Machine/Sons & Daughters - Orion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YNVrFRT4MQ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttps%25252525252525253A%25252525252525 252F%25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%25252525252 525252Fwatch%25252525252525253Fv%25252525252525253 D9YNVrFRT4MQ) Megadeth - Hangar 18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-oU2xlViRQ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttps%25252525252525253A%25252525252525 252F%25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%25252525252 525252Fwatch%25252525252525253Fv%25252525252525253 DB-oU2xlViRQ)

Sufjan Stevens - Concerning the UFO Sighting Near Highland, Illinois https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR2TqWDqO_w (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttps%25252525252525253A%25252525252525 252F%25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%25252525252 525252Fwatch%25252525252525253Fv%25252525252525253 DzR2TqWDqO_w)

I have other UFO/alien related songs sprinkled in different posts elsewhere around the thread for anyone who cares.

[wmsm]

That is one doozy of an interesting post wmsm. Don't know what to make of it tbh, but something to consider and ponder upon anyways. Thanks for the contribution. :)

I came here to post UFO songs but feel i should mention that whole roswell slides controversy that has seemingly tarnished the reputation of Richard Dolan somewhat. All these guys claiming an alien body when some other people did due diligence and discovered the marker below the body in fact was the mummified remains of a small child or baby. By the looks of it a pretty purposeful hoax being passed off as real by people who knew better. Dolla dolla bills yall! $$$!!.. $ad.

Don't have a link handy, but it's been quite the scandal apparently and you could find a bunch of dif. thoughts/stories/things on the internet about it.

Who can you trust anymore, the ufo field seems shady and dodgy as heck these days. Trust no one!!! *looks around suspicious and paranoid*


I have other UFO/alien related songs sprinkled in different posts elsewhere around the thread for anyone who cares.

You mention Roswell, and observation of human inquiry notified the public that the American Government were involved in the study of phenomena and also the cause of phenomena.

Think about the circumstance of science and radiation testing.

The ancient UFO condition, notified in ancient documents discussed and reasoned by many intelligent human beings.

The ancient UFO condition disappearing and rarely noticed in common time UFO identifications.

The ancient religious documents about Earth's Holy Heavenly atmosphere as a condition that they notified would be healed via calculations and evaluations involving 1000 year calculations against the evil 1000 year calculation of Satan.

Time being 12.

2012 noted to be End of Time.

Wouldn't this information quantify that the ancients knew about our atmospheric condition being altered and changed into a UFO attacking evil spirit circumstance due to burning the upper atmospheric wavelengths due to radiation techniques involving the lightening of stone's nucleus for levitation?

That in the Year of 1900 a huge amount of scientific changes and data is recognized along with a new increase of UFO sightings and fallout?

Don't we consider fallout as being associated to radiation and the nuclear?

Therefore if UFOs began to increase in numbers due to conversion of stone, and the ancient documents regard a Philosophy of Stone, wasn't it proven by the ancients that burning of the atmosphere occurred due to using the evil SION called converting.....alchemy of SION....transmisSION and converSION?

If the Holy Heavenly atmosphere was documented as being the Holy Ox and oxygen our life source....wouldn't altering the amount and mass of oxygen in our atmosphere to produce a converting signal as a wavelength produce UFO phenomena as both a sound change/alteration, a round body, a triangulated body as a scientific explained phenomena for creating a NEW SIGNAL in the atmosphere for a SATANIC ACT...1000 as SION?

That instead of the 12 time related Holy condition for oxygen to be returned every END of Year, instead the 12 time replaced the holy birth of Christ OXYGEN spirit body returned MASS with SATAN instead 1000.

This would demonstrate the evil increase of the UFO body, the Government's attempts to understand and study the UFO condition, the attack on human life as an unnatural natural circumstance of the UFO condition, to then demonstrate an increased and purposeful attack on humanity by the American Government secret Occult Science study of the UFO trying to understand radiation/conversion/dematerialization of matter, and rematerialization of matter for a new resource synthetic bio fuel?

This is why they were so interested in spiritual discussions and witness of spirit dematerialization such as Sai Baba or levitation as a magician, as they believe that if they understand human kind's ability to OBE and transfer their spirit, that they could gain the channels to use the BIO information for a new cellular resource instead of crop matter.

This circumstance is what many human beings have been murdered for, trying to reveal to the public that the American Government is purposely attacking us with the Alien and the UFO condition as a study, whereas before only a limited attack occurred as the atmospheric condition was NATURALLY dealing with the evil spirit as discussed Biblically?

By ancient review the Holy Christ and the circumstance of angelic sound in our atmosphere dealt with the attacking black body radiation from out of the Hell attacking angelic sound body of the Fallen Heaven, by neutralizing the radiation and not allowing radiation particles to penetrate our atmosphere to burn out the Earth stone/crystal just as it had done previously.

What motivates a Government to try to produce and create a new religious scientific belief of alien and UFO creation, other than what many humans and informed individuals have tried to discuss in the public forum. That the NWO is trying to introduce an acceptance to the UFO religious belief as a new religion only because they themselves introduced the new attack on life.

If the public agreed to the UFO condition stating that it was an acceptable belief that the UFO and alien created us, then no one would challenge the attacks of our spirit as being demonstrated by the world wide phenomena and reports that is happening to us all.

The CIA use a system of attacking information on the Internet to persuade readers that the individual discussing the attacks are either paranoid, schizophrenic or have a mental health condition.

[Deusdrum]

wmsm - Certainly there is an occult angle to aliens/ufo's. Case in point, a few pictures; (w/ link to intersting article)

"Lam", drawing displayed at an exhibition by Aleister Crowley in 1919. Looks very grey alien-esque to me, minus the big black eyes.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_sociopol/crowley04_01_small.jpg

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Then there is the claim by some that Lucifer or Satan is a principality of the air, or how strange lights of ufo's may correlate to the Djinn of eastern belief systems. Maybe the lights are not always alien crafts but living beings in themselves.

Or these couple pictures, another one from Crowley & his tarot deck, the major arcana card 'The Tower', the latter image the cover from a book by well known UFO/Mothman, paranormal researcher John Keel entitled 'The Eighth Tower: On Ultraterrestrials and the Superspectrum'

http://www.e-tarocchi.com/crowley-thoth/images/trumpsTower.jpghttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51qH6xfgrGL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg


I'm not convinced it's all been the government b/c this goes back a ways in the past ie stories of encounters from the faery realms, etc. I do think "they" (who/whatever they are) may be interested in human energy and spirituality. For example similar accounts from the far past in many dif. cultures of strange beings from the woods or faery/nature spirits who'd abduct people and eventually return them, very alike modern abductions in specific ways. I also would not be surprised if deep in the black ops/budgets there are unscrupulous insiders pushing the boundaries of distastefulness with whatever aliens in terms of directions of evolving technologies.

Would chemtrails have something to do with what your saying? I'm still having trouble comprehending fully what you're getting at b/c it seems like you're speaking in code (don't understand what the SION part is about) that or I'm too much of a simpleton for it to compute, but think I'm with you on some of it. Sounds plausible at least. I really try to remain open to anything but believing of nothing when it comes to this subject (of "objects", from projects).

[wmsm]

wmsm - Certainly there is an occult angle to aliens/ufo's. Case in point, a few pictures; (w/ link to intersting article)

"Lam", drawing displayed at an exhibition by Aleister Crowley in 1919. Looks very grey alien-esque to me, minus the big black eyes.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_sociopol/crowley04_01_small.jpg

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Then there is the claim by some that Lucifer or Satan is a principality of the air, or how strange lights of ufo's may correlate to the Djinn of eastern belief systems. Maybe the lights are not always alien crafts but living beings in themselves.

Or these couple pictures, another one from Crowley & his tarot deck, the major arcana card 'The Tower', the latter image the cover from a book by well known UFO/Mothman, paranormal researcher John Keel entitled 'The Eighth Tower: On Ultraterrestrials and the Superspectrum'

http://www.e-tarocchi.com/crowley-thoth/images/trumpsTower.jpghttp://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51qH6xfgrGL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg


I'm not convinced it's all been the government b/c this goes back a ways in the past ie stories of encounters from the faery realms, etc. I do think "they" (who/whatever they are) may be interested in human energy and spirituality. For example similar accounts from the far past in many dif. cultures of strange beings from the woods or faery/nature spirits who'd abduct people and eventually return them, very alike modern abductions in specific ways. I also would not be surprised if deep in the black ops/budgets there are unscrupulous insiders pushing the boundaries of distastefulness with whatever aliens in terms of directions of evolving technologies.

Would chemtrails have something to do with what your saying? I'm still having trouble comprehending fully what you're getting at b/c it seems like you're speaking in code (don't understand what the SION part is about) that or I'm too much of a simpleton for it to compute, but think I'm with you on some of it. Sounds plausible at least. I really try to remain open to anything but believing of nothing when it comes to this subject (of "objects", from projects).

G O D is a spiritual scientific explanation of how a circle O creates.

You begin as a scientific review of the Bible as the Mother who creates the holy body. Scientists called the Mother Magdalene (from the older term magdalia meaning crumb or dot).

The term for GOD is the O circle creating the body of the STONE, for the Bible relates it is discussing CREATION and the Phi lo sophy is the stone.

Christ in this explanation as the Son is the holy bread.

The term of the GOD trinity in the Bible involved 2 reviews of a consciousness explaining creation.

Therefore a human male who was thinking about creation used his own personal conscious awareness and discussed various values in the story that did and also did not involve STONE.

The truth of SION and a biblical Pyramid/Temple Sound application converting signal called converSION was used for building, the secret term of GOD in Philosophical documents. Religious documents discuss GOD as a religion not as a secret statement of Philosophy and creation as was only discussed in secrecy and secret brotherhoods....which many of us are aware of.

Therefore a male termed himself not only GOD, but the male self determination of Father, also the son of the Father and also a holy spirit, because as he reviewed science he also thought about himself, and how his own light spirit was formed/created.

This is actually what consciousness is...the actual spirit manifestation of a human being thinking through spirit/psyche/psychic by reviewing actual RECORDS of creation RECORDED in the atmosphere.

This is why the ancient brotherhood secrets speak about in detail secret RECORDS or the Akashic records.

Therefore there are many aspects of discussion involved in actual spiritual creation discussions that did not actually involve the actual creation itself.

This is the VERY REASON why when the converting signal was activated, the CONVER SION eventually attacked and incinerated life. 8000 years ago archaeological evidence supports this circumstance as do burnt out and melted Temples found in archaeological studies.

Human beings remembered how and why we were created and presumed that the God Heaven still protected us and thought that this Heaven replaced the Christ Body as a circumstance called Fatima or the Magdalene.

This is the male's own incorrect version of his own information.

As our Heaven is separated from the Heaven of origin called God, the Christ Heaven a lower God body was a replaced body, that communicates between the God Heaven light sound and the Christ Heaven light sound.

If you alter the light sound in the Christ Heaven as is what has been happening, the God Heaven also alters its own light sound, and changes into a lower light sound. This is why our spirit organic cellular body begins to become diseased and destroyed, as we always believed that the God Heaven replaced or replenished the Christ Heaven.

You are incorrect Occult Scientists, for the holy body of the Mother that is referenced in the Bible as Magdalene is a body of bread that is the nuclear. The nuclear is the STONE that relates to our natural organic self awareness, not the spatial radiation as you presumed.

You are all trying to get us incinerated from your incorrect review of spiritual higher self awareness.

[Bluescreens]

Hey, sorry to butt in on this tread but I just had a thought after seeing a few of these posts..

Wouldn't the government and/or media hide any information they've gathered from extra terrestrials/UFO sightings? I doubt they'd want to cause any fear towards the general public, avoiding uproars, etc...

Not sure if that's even relevant to anything posted here but just figured I'd add to it since I'm here.

[wmsm]

The LAM demonstrates that a Satanic body from out of space attacked the Christ LAMB and changed the natural spirit light sound and imagery of our own holy Heaven.

[wmsm]

Whether you want to believe in a light Creator or not, the information that our ancient human family, a much higher consciousness than our own, as they were a DNA male and female world wide group with little conscious or cell difference. Therefore they shared a record of spirit that single minded humans do not have today. Therefore we consider their past life living record as the informed state of our own self awareness as spirit/conscious information.

Records are placed in our atmosphere via 2 conditions. Light sound radiation recording every day via light sound imagery interacting and also our higher light spirit origin records.

These ancient humans, aware told us what happened to us all, which ancient archaeology also gave evidence of. That in Atlantis Earth....renamed sAtanlit demonstrates that the origin creation was a huge crystalline planetary union. Planet Earth a large crystal stone with a different atmosphere of light surrounding it. Coal beds with artifacts and fused stone with human artifacts prove this circumstance existed.

As we died because of what human beings caused, our spirits returned to the Light body of our origin Creation, which then re released life as spirit and organic manifestation because of the circumstance we are aware of.

The Earth, converted by a black body radiation attack, caused by a UFO planetary and Sun release of atomic orbitals or UFO light sound bodies, as the Suns a much colder body, ejected out of itself black mass radiation.

The Earth released out of her Holy Mother Earth tombs as the Holy Mother who created the Christ spirit inside of her own body, the spiritual deceased body of the Holy Ox...oxygen or Christ in gases. The Christ spirit arose out of the tombs and returned around the Planet of Earth refilling emptied out Heaven and placing/healing its spirit body next to the Heaven or light body of the origin God Heaven. As the Christ light Heaven communicated in light sound to the God Heaven it caused the light of the God Heaven to change and it released the spirit body of Nature to physically and organically manifest out of the light spirit. Sai Baba demonstrated in his own life about spiritual manifestation.

Being a higher consciousness than our single consciousness the human males on Planet Earth gained access to the RECORDS of the radiation UFO activated attack and learnt how stone LEVItation was gained. The radiation changed the fuSION of the crystal bonds and had released huge blocks of stone from off the Earth face in the origin attack that were released into out of space. They wanted this wisdom to use for stone levitation/building techniques and used the Pyramid/Temple Earth relay to cause and reactivate the converSION signal in our own Holy Christ Heaven, which reactivated a light sound converting UFO body condition for the nuclear lightening of stone.

This reburnt HELL windows into our holy Heaven and we gained not only a UFO nuclear sound body attack from the star group systems that had cooled down into angelic light sounds, it released UFO and alien spirits from out of SATAN.

SATAN is a many faceted body and light sound spirit.

The star group systems had been healed and we were told by our Light Spirit Father to never listen to Satan, nor to use any Satanic practice of converting signals.

The black body radiation was again released from out of space because the star groups were reactivated into a burn/conversion also....and burning the healed star groups which we knew were protecting Planet Earth from the attack of HELL, allowed SATAN as the alien form to be burnt from out of the angelic bodies and sent via transmitted radioactive signals to flow to Planet Earth.

The ancients called HELL HE as window and EL God, knew that they activated HELL, but they did not realize that they had also begun to burn the star group angels, and SATAN began to form and attack Planet Earth's Holy Heavenly Body of Christ.

The ancients gained not only a nuclear reaction from the atmosphere/ground state demonstrated archaeological 8000 years ago as a Temple stone liquefaction, but also a atomic nuclear incineration of life. Religion is not only discussing creation, it was also a purposeful circumstance of protecting LIFE on Planet Earth and our spirit from SATANIC ATTACKS of both devils and aliens.

Religious law forbade contact with the dead spirit, being the atomic/nuclear burnt light spirit embedded in the Earth Stone that related to the wavelengths in our light Christ atmosphere. All Alchemy or contact with the dead spirit or evil spirits became a law of religion.

As our light spirit is a higher light spirit, we are aware that our previous Light Heaven released a light O orb sound body that formed the fallen Heaven in out of space that we called HELL.

Via space star group pictures, you can all witness the floating dismembered spirit bodies of light sound of SATAN. These star groups had been healed via the atomic/nuclear light condition they gained as a surrounding gaseous body. This information is true to what our ancient PAST LIFE RECORDS explain to us all.

Scientists holding a CONSTANT, allow for the situation of our natural Earth Heavenly holy Christ body to get burnt, forming windows into them, allowing SATAN to access our Heaven.

If SATAN/ALIEN gains access, just like the ancients we will all be incinerated.

This is why our natural Christ brain relationship spirit image changed as Satan, on the outside of our atmospheric light body is trying to access us via the STAR GROUP RADIATED bodies that he was formed in from murdering and changing the HEALED ANGELIC BODIES of the star groups.

This is why our human consciousness knew that the star groups protected planet Earth from UFO/atomic/nuclear sound body activation and attacks holding within their light sound orbs the sound for forming the ALIEN releases of spirit imagery that attack us.

[Bluescreens]

Does it have to sound so... bad? I mean, there's no way of knowing any of that is for certain, though I do have questions.

I've heard of the crystalline Earth or light beings who watch over our planet. Do you have any more information on that?

And what do you mean by "Light sound"? Mostly confused by certain terms used here but if you do not wish to reply I will drop asking questions.

Thank you for your time.

[Deusdrum]

wmsm, may i ask you where you get this theory/information from or how you have come to these conclusions?

[birds]

Maybe it's military craft and experiments. Making it controversial, and somewhat taboo, may help keep it top secret.

Perhaps it's Earthlings from the future that are time travelling.

It could be beings, robots, and/or energy from other worlds/places/realms

or some or all theories

I don't though believe the Area 51 hype. I believe they encourage the interest in that site by being vague and protective so some will obsess over it and they can better hide other sites.

I like those that retain open minds instead of saying it's definitely one side or the other. I've listened to Erich Von Daniken but haven't read any of his books.

[wmsm]

wmsm, may i ask you where you get this theory/information from or how you have come to these conclusions?
I have lived a spiritual life as a spiritual Healer, who by circumstance and by my poor life choice decided to share my information that I was channeling from spirit on the Internet.

Whether you want to believe me or not, I then became involved in a secret occult spiritual/mind/conscious/psychic records-star radiation pathway scientific study. This is because my healing evaluations were correct and also produced what could be considered as a form of miracle outcome.

Through this secret occult study of my person I was nearly incinerated and came to understand not only evil, but also what the UFO condition implied as a psychic/Healer/Spiritual Medium, who has always heard spirit on a creation channel. Information that I gained supported this circumstance for not only did I produce exact scientific information, but accurate historical information in my channel.

As I was saved from self combustion by our Spiritual Light Father who I never knew existed, just as I never believed Satan existed either, I have been advised by the light spirit of our psychic and spiritual life attack.

I only previously believed by self experience in human beings own ability to throw off negative or shadow spirits or black balls in anger and also in painful memories.

I have been witness to many different phenomena and have the ability to ask the Light Spirits about the condition it implied.

Hence I knew that the HOLY WORD OF GOD was a human males first spiritual wisdom advice thought about in his own brain condition in relationship to the RECORDS of angelic light sound in our atmosphere.

I not only studied the concept of the WORD but was advised how the ancients applied the method of factual numerical angles using letters as a secret script involving the Golden Sine.

Hence I knew that the LAMB was the light sound wavelength in our HOLY OX atmosphere meaning Christ atmosphere spirit returned as our new Holy Earth Heaven as a body.

As Scientists blew out a huge amount of light sound in our atmosphere in the early 1900s as the UFO phenomena displayed, they caused and altered the ancient LAMB SION converSION signal that was previously used for STONE LEVITATION as the Philosophy of the stone and altered it into a NEW NUCLEAR CONVERSION SIGNAL.

Uranium, did not convert until Scientists decided to study the HOLY DUST and then apply to gain a nuclear fuel.

The conversion light wavelength for this circumstance had to be caused in the atmosphere via an application. The ancients used SOUND and sound levitation via the Pyramid/Temple scheme, as the schematics in the Temple layout have the similar layout to the inside of a radio transmitter if you care to peruse the data.

ConverSION therefore took SION as the Holy Christ spirit of oxygen that protects our life and Heaven and converted a large body of it. This caused the HOLY LAMB to convert into the LAM....the alien.

The alien is a spirit of SATAN and it replaces the holy LAMB as both a spiritual image and also a spiritual light body sound.

This is why human beings lost their own spirit, with a huge amount of their own cellular oxygen being removed from out of the light wavelength sound which their psyche demonstrated was perused as being ABDUCTED.

Therefore as we all consider our spiritual Heaven to be the Christ by psychic review, whether or not you call it Christ, the spirit by both body and light sound was changed to the alien called the LAM.

Crowley demonstrated that he was aware of secret ancient brethren information as a psychic, and as a spiritual psychic I was also aware that the Christ condition had been changed and our life and life continuance threatened.

This is why I considered informing the public and then gained an attack instead.

What I am describing is true because the condition of spiritual wisdom regarding the WORD OF GOD involving the CIRCLE O, and angles and letters involved in a secret brotherhood wisdom is real.

Hence if the human males gained the information regarding the nucleus of stone and its levitation regarding converting light wavelengths and using the SOUND change to lift stone, then by observation of information it is obvious that they not only caused the UFO condition, the condition can be explained as a converting light wavelength for the nuclear.

The LAM produces the evidence that the Christ spirit was removed and placed inside of the UFO space ship bodies that involves the Satanic principles of the Ark of the Beast...the ship that travels the Stars.

As our life and spirit follows the path of the Christ spirit this is how abduction of the spirit is explained as an attack of the removal of the Christ body.

This then causes the human being to no longer be angelically protected and then they get attacked.

[wmsm]

Does it have to sound so... bad? I mean, there's no way of knowing any of that is for certain, though I do have questions.

I've heard of the crystalline Earth or light beings who watch over our planet. Do you have any more information on that?

And what do you mean by "Light sound"? Mostly confused by certain terms used here but if you do not wish to reply I will drop asking questions.

Thank you for your time.

Earth by archaeological evidence was attacked by black body radiation that not only converted its natural crystalline mass, it changed the crystal into nuclear dust. The ancient psychic records of atmospheric past life data described this situation as ATLANTIS or the term SATAN LIT.

Ancient humans were incinerated in this Earth attack and the ancient origin cold Suns exploded and released dark matter. This matter incinerated most of the star systems and converted their star crystal into nuclear fuel. The dust of the star systems therefore naturally created nuclear fuel and the radiation streams gained in our atmosphere cleared of dust, used by the stars to create the fuel.

This is the UFO condition the ancient spiritual mind gained access to regarding the spiritual psychic records or past life records, some call Akashic.

Since Scientists have re heated the cooled down paths of radiation in the star systems by converting the cold wavelengths in our atmosphere which we witness as the UFO condition....the pyramid black opening of the channel, the red flame of gas burning inside and the new converSION signal created for nuclear fuel.

The stars losing their cooled trajectory, began to reburn the star system crystal causing a new release of nuclear dust/flakes.

As our atmosphere cannot deal with the influx of this star increase, human beings began to get spiritually attacked, as did the self combustion incidences begin to tell the SIGNS of WARNING.

Many spiritual psychics are aware that the star systems are called fallen angels, as the fallen light bodies that burnt, but became cooled. The angelic light sound heard in the star systems is angelic by reference. But as Scientists are causing a new reburn in the star systems, they reactivated Satan....the devils as fall out as the angelic bodies are being incinerated.

This itself caused radiation streams to burnout in the trajectories to Earth, and is why evil phenomena has become an everyday event that is gradually increasing by volume of attacks.

The ancients by documents were well aware of this condition, documented the facts as a warning evaluation of Prophetic star activation.

The ancient Philosophers, far more spiritually minded than modern day Scientific Philosophy would have never considered converSION of SION, and how could any of you believe in your own personal holiness, after what you have all witnessed?

[Deusdrum]

Well wmsm thanks for sharing that. I am leery of channeling in general although I've read a ton of it or used to, mainly i think for entertainment or a way for my imagination to think 'what if...'

Have you ever read the Urantia book? I'd be curious what your take on it would be, if it lines up at all with what you're saying.

Obviously it's impossible for me to know whether or how much of what you say is accurate, but those are the experiences you've had and that's fair enough. Does give some food for thought, though I'm still blanking a bit on the finer points of the details from how you've put it, making some of the jumps from one thing to another I'm missing pieces.

I DO believe their may be a power in Christ or God or the Divine or whichever a person might so believe in to protect a person. And I don't think that can be challenged ultimately. Maybe in this world, through this apparently free will of ours and also the terrain may be conducive towards it. I've thought about it, I've had my experiences too (limited as they are admittedly) and just logically it doesn't add up to me otherwise.

Have we as an intelligent species, humanity collectively & individually found ourselves in some trouble? Yes. But the Spirit will not be denied in my opinion, regardless of if humans make poor decisions or negative type beings imitate, twist or distort the divine image. The source is the source imho.

The adversary and the advocate, i think maybe we need them both in order to have a story. And I suppose (at least from where i stand) we'll see how it will play out.

Might give your posts another read b/c it was a lot to go through on the first pass.

I'm interested in the power of sound and those parts of what you say, also as a lover of music and I've heard theories that ancients honed the power of acoustics and sound waves or what have you to build ancient monuments etc. and that sort of thing.

Have you heard about the strange sounds in the sky that have been around the world? Think that's legitimately happening or is it fakery? What is your take on all that if you've heard of it.

[wmsm]

Well wmsm thanks for sharing that. I am leery of channeling in general although I've read a ton of it or used to, mainly i think for entertainment or a way for my imagination to think 'what if...'

Have you ever read the Urantia book? I'd be curious what your take on it would be, if it lines up at all with what you're saying.

Obviously it's impossible for me to know whether or how much of what you say is accurate, but those are the experiences you've had and that's fair enough. Does give some food for thought, though I'm still blanking a bit on the finer points of the details from how you've put it, making some of the jumps from one thing to another I'm missing pieces.

I DO believe their may be a power in Christ or God or the Divine or whichever a person might so believe in to protect a person. And I don't think that can be challenged ultimately. Maybe in this world, through this apparently free will of ours and also the terrain may be conducive towards it. I've thought about it, I've had my experiences too (limited as they are admittedly) and just logically it doesn't add up to me otherwise.

Have we as an intelligent species, humanity collectively & individually found ourselves in some trouble? Yes. But the Spirit will not be denied in my opinion, regardless of if humans make poor decisions or negative type beings imitate, twist or distort the divine image. The source is the source imho.

The adversary and the advocate, i think maybe we need them both in order to have a story. And I suppose (at least from where i stand) we'll see how it will play out.

Might give your posts another read b/c it was a lot to go through on the first pass.

I'm interested in the power of sound and those parts of what you say, also as a lover of music and I've heard theories that ancients honed the power of acoustics and sound waves or what have you to build ancient monuments etc. and that sort of thing.

Have you heard about the strange sounds in the sky that have been around the world? Think that's legitimately happening or is it fakery? What is your take on all that if you've heard of it.

I hear the sounds every day because my own brain chemical body was burnt in a near self combustion incident.

When NASA first attacked my brain trying to align my consciousness with the alien/satanic study they were doing in spirit I heard the sound like a metallic screech...much like the sound in the movie of the Star Gate...being the very reason why this sound was used to describe the act of the Pyramid involving harming the natural spirit (as the story represents an evaluation).

After my brain was attacked which was the most excrutiating experience that a human could endure as an evil attack, I could then hear "singing spirits" and speaking spirits which I had never been involved with before. My spiritual channeling before was simply an implied psychic awareness.

I have therefore heard many different forms of voice/sound/speaking/languages as an experience.

The ancient Tibetan Monks proved to a Scientist that the ancients knew about the levitation of stone. What the ancient mind did not consider was that stone was only levitated from a burning out of its natural crystal fusion, forcing huge stone bodies to separate from the main body.

This situation happened whilst the atmosphere was converting its own natural healed light body and therefore formed a record in the light sound as both imagery of the happening and also evidence that stone could be levitated.

Our ancient brother, did not listen to his own higher conscious spiritual advice and used the sound levitation technique....unaware in his own stupidity that he was also reburning and had reactivated the ancient star radiation defusing of the crystal fusion of the stone.

By eventuation of burning out the crystal fusion in the Earth stone beds...a UFO burnt atmospheric light sound signal formed above GIZA as a replication of stone....hence the movie as a psychic awareness depicted another huge stone body above that of the human made Pyramid.

Therefore when GIZA is reactivated with a dark manifestation of a UFO body, it is approaching the moment when the stone signal flowing through the GIZA signal in the atmosphere forms a body of explosion.

In the movie the human being sending the atomic and nuclear reaction from inside of the Pyramid was an American....and many movies depict America to get attacked by a UFO invasion...this circumstance is real. As a record observation of contacting old Earth records and then causing new Earth records to be recorded in the same record, is a psychic and spiritual advice.

This is how I gained my own advice by the most excrutiating psychic experience of evil. In one episode of being attacked it was like my own spirit had been embedded inside of stone. No one will ever know what it was like to have experienced such evil just for the sake of informing my evil brother what he is causing on Earth.

Therefore does sound cause stone to defuse its own crystal fusion...to cause lightening of its own matter to allow it to float above the Earth....most certainly it does.

At the moment the act of Science as experiments burnt out the natural crystal liquid lava flow beneath America's own stone plates which is the very reason why it was predicted by many psychics including my own sister years ago in a transmitted message that the plateline in California is close to breaking off.

Scientists causing all of the releases of activated UFO sound bodies in our atmosphere have been releasing the normal light/oxygen/sound interaction with crystal fusion. This crystal fusion release has been combusting lava...I know this by psychic evidence also as in one horrible dream as my spirit burnt I was flying over the lava streams as Scientists at NASA had me in contact with a radiation signal.

Therefore I know by personal psychic and spiritual experience that NASA is attacking America's own survival both as a plate condition (Christ Carpenter secret of tectonic relationships), the combustion of the crystal liquid in lava, alteration of the natural lava flows beneath America's plates taking America close to an activated ancient historical record.

This record in origin on Earth, cut off a huge stone plate from the American Continent because of the giant Pyramid built as part of the Giza ancient relay....that had by evidence been re-established in new conscious awareness.

All of the evidence of star radiation attacks are confirmed by psychic review of ancient time light/sound records that were re-established in the newly formed and healing atmospheric condition. This is why psychics can warn the population of future predictions before they happen.....and in hope this advice will stop Scientific experimentation that will eventually attack America.

[Deusdrum]

That sounds awful wmsm. To me it's interesting that a guy like David Icke, believe what he says completely, a little bit, or not at all but his idea about 'reptilians' in positions of power who can appear human etc. is curious to correlate to something like how many sociopaths or psychopaths operate almost entirely from their 'reptilian brain' and advances in brainscan technology bear this out in test results.

To me I wonder whether it matters if we say such people have personality disorders, are evil aliens or demon-spawn satanist types if their negative effects on the world all amount to the same thing. It's hard to wrap my head around, as I've said already, only b/c I've not yet determined through personal exp. just what is going on with the whole UFO/alien thing. My experiences have been few, fleeting and brief thus far, whether w/ sightings or alien or seemingly alien encounters.

Anyways I hope you have found or will find some resolution or reconciliation with all of it.

Would like to share some links on one of the more contentious and mysterious UFO incidents from history that continues to pop up in more recent and modern times; that being the case of the alleged Black Knight Satellite.
https://extexanwannabee.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/black-knight-585x306.jpghttps://peronscrypto.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/black-knight2.jpg

"...Rumors are that it was Nikola Tesla the first man to “intercept” a signal from this otherworldly satellite in 1899 after building a high-voltage radio device in Colorado Springs. After Tesla’s discovery in the next 30 to 50 years the signal was being intercepted more frequently until it was apparently “decoded”. Since the 1930’s Astronomers worldwide have been reporting strange radio signals which allegedly come from the “Black Knight”.http://www.ancient-code.com/the-black-knight-a-13000-year-old-alien-satellite/ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttp% 2525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252 52F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%2525252525252525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252 52525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525252525253Flink% 2525252525252525252525253Dhttp%2525252525252525252 52525253A%252525252525252525252525252F%25252525252 5252525252525252Fwww.ancient-code.com%252525252525252525252525252Fthe-black-knight-a-13000-year-old-alien-satellite%252525252525252525252525252F) (link includes copied images of some original newspaper articles)

Then there is the Philip K D. connection and some further history of the black knight satellite followed by news of a resurgent interest in it with some more recent reports of sightings, both links from the 'Mysterious Universe' website.
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More on the PKD connection fr. the 'Excluded Middle' site; http://www.excludedmiddle.com/valisknight.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttp% 2525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252 52F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%2525252525252525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252 52525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525252525253Flink% 2525252525252525252525253Dhttp%2525252525252525252 52525253A%252525252525252525252525252F%25252525252 5252525252525252Fwww.excludedmiddle.com%2525252525 25252525252525252Fvalisknight.htm) Think this is where some of the other articles are mirrored from, so some repeat info. on these sites.

Here is what looks like a homemade type of youtube documentary about it, also with original newspaper images and references. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzIiLp1TqYQ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttp% 2525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252 52F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%2525252525252525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252 52525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525252525253Flink% 2525252525252525252525253Dhttps%252525252525252525 252525253A%252525252525252525252525252F%2525252525 25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252525 25252525252Fwatch%252525252525252525252525253Fv%25 2525252525252525252525253DrzIiLp1TqYQ)

An article which questions whether, at least the more recent sighting/s, it is not just space junk of some sort or another. From 'Occupy Theory' site. http://occupytheory.org/black-knight-satellite-debunked/ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttp% 2525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252 52F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%2525252525252525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252 52525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525252525253Flink% 2525252525252525252525253Dhttp%2525252525252525252 52525253A%252525252525252525252525252F%25252525252 5252525252525252Foccupytheory.org%2525252525252525 25252525252Fblack-knight-satellite-debunked%252525252525252525252525252F) (I've had no previous exposure to any of these websites I've linked btw, other than Youtube of course.)

Any feedback from you guys regarding the Black Knight Satellite is welcome. Impressions, different/further/other links or information or theories, criticisms, etc.

[Deusdrum]

[Deusdrum]

Collection of UFO related (mainly local) television news pieces covering January & February of 2015. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vQdGatyu_0 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttps%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.youtube .com%252525252Fwatch%252525253Fv%252525253D1vQdGat yu_0)

From BBC News, July 10 this year; 'Welsh government responds in Klingon to UFO airport query'. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-33479808 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.bbc.com% 252525252Fnews%252525252Fuk-wales-33479808) Yes, they actually did that, which is nearly as strange to me as the mystery of what UFO's are in the first place. Only thing that makes sense is a more refined method of ridiculing such a request? Or an attempt to have a sense of humor about it?

An article from Wired magazine online entitled 'Sci-Fi Has Been Prepping Us for an Alien Invasion For Years' http://www.wired.com/2015/07/geeks-guide-ernie-cline/ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.wired.co m%252525252F2015%252525252F07%252525252Fgeeks-guide-ernie-cline%252525252F) Basically an interview w/ a sci-fi author who has has some interesting sociological speculation which the title sums up in part.

Former Pres. Bill Clinton on Jimmy Kimmel answering questions about aliens. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRdIp0hYQ5c (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttps%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.youtube .com%252525252Fwatch%252525253Fv%252525253DPRdIp0h YQ5c)
Current Pres. Barack Obama on Jimmy Kimmel answering questions about aliens. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYzRY2XpLBk (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttps%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.youtube .com%252525252Fwatch%252525253Fv%252525253DEYzRY2X pLBk)

[Dragan]

I'm going to do everyone here a big favor.

If You really really want to know about ufo's?

Go to you tube and enter "Dr. Steven Greer"

Your Welcome.

His name is Dr. Steven Greer, and well...He communicates with Aliens all the time.

[Dragan]

It's a fake made by Northrup Grumman or "skunkworks" it's man made sorry folks

[DaiBach]

"It's a fake made by Northrup Grumman or "skunkworks" it's man made sorry folks"

Employing "faceted" stealth geometry, if I'm not mistaken Dragan. That Kelly Johnson was a great designer. Pity governments don't spend as much on plowshares as they do on swords.

[Deusdrum]

I'm going to do everyone here a big favor.

If You really really want to know about ufo's?

Go to you tube and enter "Dr. Steven Greer"

Your Welcome.

His name is Dr. Steven Greer, and well...He communicates with Aliens all the time.
Pump the breaks a little there Dragan, I've touched on Greer in this thread already, typing a name and telling everyone you're doing them a big favor is pretty presumptuous imo. It comes off as arrogant to me, and no offense intended by saying that but just being honest with you. He claims to communicate w/ aliens. Whether true, untrue or misconstrued on his part, from my part I don't think it wise to assume or believe him automatically. A lot of people say a lot of things.

My mind is not made up entirely one way or another on Greer but i submit to you this article from Huffington Post which suggests Greer was dishonest about the small mummified specimen alleged by him to be an alien in the 2013 documentary 'Sirius'. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/sirius-documentary-dna-re_n_3135628.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttp% 2525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252 52F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%2525252525252525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252 52525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525252525253Flink% 2525252525252525252525253Dhttp%2525252525252525252 52525253A%252525252525252525252525252F%25252525252 5252525252525252Fwww.huffingtonpost.com%2525252525 25252525252525252F2013%252525252525252525252525252 F04%252525252525252525252525252F23%252525252525252 525252525252Fsirius-documentary-dna-re_n_3135628.html) (Keep in mind acc. to the article the testing is stll, as of yet 'inconclusive').

To be fair there are things i like about Greer, his involvement with the film 'Thrive' which I'm a big fan of and his opinions regarding free energy in general, which i think there may be something to (mainly b/c of Tesla, who also believed in free energy and who is responsible for the all important alternating current which we rely on to electrically power most everything we use these days).

Something of note perhaps, coincidence or not, is that the father of the producer of 'Sirius' was murdered in the Wisconsin Sikh temple shooting right around the time when production on the film was wrapping up. Here's the producer's wiki page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amar_Kaleka (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttp% 2525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252 52F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%2525252525252525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252 52525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525252525253Flink% 2525252525252525252525253Dhttps%252525252525252525 252525253A%252525252525252525252525252F%2525252525 25252525252525252Fen.wikipedia.org%252525252525252 525252525252Fwiki%252525252525252525252525252FAmar _Kaleka)

Russian Prime Minister fr. 2012 talking on t.v. news about aliens. Deadpan tongue in cheek or is he being serious? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcvVzXzzJZk (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttp% 2525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252 52F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%2525252525252525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252 52525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525252525253Flink% 2525252525252525252525253Dhttps%252525252525252525 252525253A%252525252525252525252525252F%2525252525 25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252525 25252525252Fwatch%252525252525252525252525253Fv%25 2525252525252525252525253DNcvVzXzzJZk)

Short clip of controversial figure Richard Doty from recent documentary 'Mirage Men.' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31oCSN1jHso (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttps %2525252525252525252525253A%2525252525252525252525 252F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%252 5252525252525252525252Fwatch%252525252525252525252 5253Fv%2525252525252525252525253D31oCSN1jHso)

News piece about Scientology's alien belief system. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF_sbbC1AVU (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttp% 2525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252 52F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%2525252525252525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252 52525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525252525253Flink% 2525252525252525252525253Dhttps%252525252525252525 252525253A%252525252525252525252525252F%2525252525 25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252525 25252525252Fwatch%252525252525252525252525253Fv%25 2525252525252525252525253DoF_sbbC1AVU)

CBC news youtube clip about the Raelians group. Originally aired in 2003 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeuGU2sI9pI (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttp% 2525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252 52F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%2525252525252525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252 52525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525252525253Flink% 2525252525252525252525253Dhttps%252525252525252525 252525253A%252525252525252525252525252F%2525252525 25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252525 25252525252Fwatch%252525252525252525252525253Fv%25 2525252525252525252525253DFeuGU2sI9pI)

BBC Heaven's gate documentary part 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwSCpn2yEBE (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttp% 2525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252 52F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%2525252525252525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252 52525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525252525253Flink% 2525252525252525252525253Dhttps%252525252525252525 252525253A%252525252525252525252525252F%2525252525 25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252525 25252525252Fwatch%252525252525252525252525253Fv%25 2525252525252525252525253DKwSCpn2yEBE)

I don't mean to lump all these groups together, simply exploring the connection b/t religious type groups and ufo/aliens.

Rev. Barry Downing on UFO's & religion. An interview from 2001 @ the MUFON Symposium. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbO8cBloX58 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttp% 2525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252 52F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%2525252525252525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252 52525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525252525253Flink% 2525252525252525252525253Dhttps%252525252525252525 252525253A%252525252525252525252525252F%2525252525 25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252525 25252525252Fwatch%252525252525252525252525253Fv%25 2525252525252525252525253DSbO8cBloX58)

From listverse, "10 Incredibly Insane UFO Religions" Ignoring the obvious overly derisive & condescending tone of the title, an interesting exposure to some different ufo based religious beliefs. http://listverse.com/2014/06/10/10-incredibly-insane-ufo-religions/ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttp% 2525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252 52F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%2525252525252525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252 52525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525252525253Flink% 2525252525252525252525253Dhttp%2525252525252525252 52525253A%252525252525252525252525252F%25252525252 5252525252525252Flistverse.com%2525252525252525252 52525252F2014%252525252525252525252525252F06%25252 5252525252525252525252F10%252525252525252525252525 252F10-incredibly-insane-ufo-religions%252525252525252525252525252F)

They include the Urantia book in the list which I've read myself cover to cover and although I don't buy into it entirely (or at all, haven't decided yet,) still there seems to be something to it and I can say it's for sure one of the most exotic, bewildering and challenging books i've ever read. The style of writing in it is quite unique from anything else I've encountered or come across (aliens & religion anyone? eh? Get it? Srry nvrmnd) other than people who've blogged or posted something in other forums/places on the internet that are clearly adherents to the theology presented in the Urantia Book.

[acitak]

I'm going to do everyone here a big favor.

If You really really want to know about ufo's?

Go to you tube and enter "Dr. Steven Greer"

Your Welcome.

His name is Dr. Steven Greer, and well...He communicates with Aliens all the time.
Steven Greer is a Reptilian Shapeshifter, Orion dark agent like many other in the UFO and New Age circles.
You may look at his eyes and body in his videos and pictures closely and you will see , use your intuition ,of course.

[Deusdrum]

acitak I wish you would refrain from making such proclamations as if they are gospel. It's speculative at best and potentially slanderous/ defamatory at worst. It is no better to me then what Dragan has said professing him to have all the answers when you claim he is the devil incarnate.

In fact, I'd appreciate it if from now on anyone who posts in this thread would have some consideration as to the subject at hand, that being Ufo's/aliens in the news & media. If you don't feel you have something along those lines to contribute or else some personal story involving the ufo/alien question, then I'd rather you keep your opinions to yourself if you cannot back them up with some source or examples/explanations of why you have come to such concrete and absolute conclusions.

Thanks.

Btw here is part 2 of that BBC Heaven's Gate documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYI4EEt0X24
(http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwat ch%3Fv%3DiYI4EEt0X24)

[acitak]

Yes, I can see Reptilian Shapeshifters when I am watching videos and pictures, that is not something big when your third eye chakra is fully open.

Reptilian Shapeshifters operate at different frequency and because of that it is not easy to catch them with the naked eye.

And I am sorry, I do not want to write this on your thread, it was a post reply to Dragan post about Greer.

[Deusdrum]

Okay, if that's what you see or believe or believe you see, fair enough, however I have a problem with this on a number of levels.

First off, technically not to mention (in some cases) legally & ethically speaking, as i mentioned already making negative statements publically as to the character of someone is libelous unless you have proof of what you say.

Secondly, coming with it from nothing other than your own perception doesn't really give us much to go on, other than one man or woman's personal testimonial. For instance, what if i said that, based on the energy of the words in your posts I intuitively detect you as a covert government agent of some sort spreading disinformation? (hypothetically of course, not saying i think that) See where I'm coming from?

Thirdly, have you ever met Steven Greer? And what part of the fact that (according to you) he's a reptilian alien shape-shifter is in any possible definition of the phrase, "no big deal"? Evil reptilian aliens bent on the enslavement or destruction of the world and all humankind (I'm assuming more less how it goes, correct me if i'm wrong) is not a big deal?

Anyways, hope I'm not coming off too confrontational or offensive here acitak, you may very well be on point. I'm just not a fan of these back and forth 'he said she said, you're wrong im right, this is how it is' pronouncements without something to go on, especially considering how dodgy information is in general about UFO's and aliens. Personally speaking, I do not trust anyone that claims to have hard and fast, case closed answers about this.

Personal experience is another matter imo, at least partly, and in that respect I feel like Morpheus/Laurence Fishburne summed it nicely in the Matrix when he said 'Unfortunately Neo, no one can be told what the Matrix is, you have to experience it for yourself.'

[Clarityofawareness]

Hello all,
Been awhile since I posted in this whole forum. I was wondering, how many links to videos may I post in this forum? Because I'm also a video content creator and have many videos concerning my own experiences. Speaking of which here is one (concerning the title of this post) you may find amusing. It happened in 97' and was very exciting for me at that point in my life. Oppp's, never mind, it would let me post a video link here, says I need 15 or more posts in the forum first. Okay I'll try doing that.
Kevin

[Deusdrum]

acitak, you are more than welcome in the thread, btw; just airing some grievances in general and philosophical concerns of how i'd like to approach the discussion and the content and think it best to go about that.

For what it's worth, it wouldn't surprise me if there were some credence to the reality of reptilians. There have been enough people who've independently described encounters with similar types that imo seem credible or at least honest about what they think they saw, so enough smoke and i begin to lean towards the possibility of fire.

Only point is to say I don't intend to jump fully on board with anyone's or any group's particular beliefs, claims or pov pending personal experience of what we're (or I'm) dealing with. The rest of it i've covered.

Clarityofawareness - Absolutely, would love to see what you have on video. Look forward to it, hurry up and fulfill those posting requirements!

[acitak]

Thank you Deusdrum.

I feel like Morpheus/Laurence Fishburne summed it nicely in the Matrix when he said 'Unfortunately Neo, no one can be told what the Matrix is, you have to experience it for yourself.'

Exactly

[Deusdrum]

yw acitak :)

Update regarding Bob Lazar, and rest of 'Open Minds UFO Report' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx1dYQ-xQEY (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D https%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%2525252525 25252Fwww.youtube.com%252525252525252Fwatch%252525 252525253Fv%252525252525253DFx1dYQ-xQEY)

The infamous before and after David Icke - Terry Wogan interviews.
1991: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2MEN4-49dM (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D https%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%2525252525 25252Fwww.youtube.com%252525252525252Fwatch%252525 252525253Fv%252525252525253DY2MEN4-49dM)
2006:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nMq6gc1yMg (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D https%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%2525252525 25252Fwww.youtube.com%252525252525252Fwatch%252525 252525253Fv%252525252525253D0nMq6gc1yMg)


Excerpt from 'Owls, Synchronicity & the UFO Abductee' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHWF9EdjVmQ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D https%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%2525252525 25252Fwww.youtube.com%252525252525252Fwatch%252525 252525253Fv%252525252525253DfHWF9EdjVmQ) Full presentation (from 2014's International UFO Congress) can be found on youtube.

1995 John Mack presentation @ the Institute of Noetic Sciences https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11Y07Ij06qM (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttps%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.youtube .com%252525252Fwatch%252525253Fv%252525253D11Y07Ij 06qM)

'Owls & the UFO Abductee' essay by Mike Clelland. http://www.scribd.com/doc/152000108/Owls-and-the-UFO-Abductee (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scribd.com%2Fdoc%2 F152000108%2FOwls-and-the-UFO-Abductee)

[Deusdrum]

On account of the recent reptilian consideration in the thread combined with my current binge watching of John Mack videos, thought I'd post this where he talks in a lecture about some cases and people from his research regarding reptilian beings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tCQ99ZA31Q (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp s%2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.youtube.com%252525 2Fwatch%2525253Fv%2525253D5tCQ99ZA31Q)

[Deusdrum]

'Celebrities Encounter the Great Equalizer...' Article fr. Paranormal News which recounts alleged ufo incidents w/ Jimi Hendrix, David Bowie and John Lennon amongst others. https://www.paranormalnews.com/item.aspx?action=articles&subcontent=content&id=71&subid=47 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fww w.paranormalnews.com%252Fitem.aspx%253Faction%253D articles%2526amp%253Bsubcontent%253Dcontent%2526am p%253Bid%253D71%2526amp%253Bsubid%253D47)

'Hypnosis, the Intelligence Community & Ufology' from 'The UFO Trail' blog. http://ufotrail.blogspot.ca/2015/07/hypnosis-intelligence-community-and.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fufo trail.blogspot.ca%252F2015%252F07%252Fhypnosis-intelligence-community-and.html)

"The Ufo guy" interview @ local airport.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoytrHE821o (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fww w.youtube.com%252Fwatch%253Fv%253DhoytrHE821o)

[Deusdrum]

Trying to space out my entries here, but this is pretty major in terms of mainstream news and fits the mold for this thread nicely.

Russian Billionaire Yuri Milner invests 100 million dollars towards the search for extraterrestrial life. Stephen Hawking also has words of endorsement for this initiative, despite earlier concerns of his regarding the dangers of looking for or contacting/communicating w/ otherworldly, intelligent alien life elsewhere in the cosmos. From Time Magazine a day or so ago.

http://time.com/3967126/stephen-hawking-seti-extraterrestrial-life-breakthrough/ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Ftime.com%252 525252F3967126%252525252Fstephen-hawking-seti-extraterrestrial-life-breakthrough%252525252F)

[Deusdrum]

sigh, ok i'm on a roll here but this is the last one for awhile i promise.

This post will focus on T Allen Green field. Here is his book, which was linked from his site to Scribd;

'Secret Cipher of the Ufonauts' http://www.scribd.com/doc/3255122/SECRET-CIPHER-OF-THE-UFONAUTS (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttp% 2525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252 52F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.scribd.com%25252 52525252525252525252Fdoc%2525252525252525252525252 F3255122%2525252525252525252525252FSECRET-CIPHER-OF-THE-UFONAUTS)

Here is a tantalizing little quote fr. the book attributed to Aleister Crowley;"My observation of the Universe convinces me that there are beings of intelligence and power of a far higher quality than anything we can conceive of as human … the one and only chance for mankind to advance as a whole is for individuals to make contact with such beings..."
An interview of Greenfield from the 'X Zone' radio show on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFcebeDtNdI (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttps %2525252525252525252525253A%2525252525252525252525 252F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%252 5252525252525252525252Fwatch%252525252525252525252 5253Fv%2525252525252525252525253DbFcebeDtNdI) Uploaded June of this year.

From description in video, bit of background on the guy so you know what you might be getting into w/ re: the above;

"Allen H. Greenfield.. is an American occultist, ceremonial magician, UFOlogist, writer, editor, and Gnostic Bishop of Ecclesia Gnostica Universalis who resides in Atlanta, Georgia... A past (elected) member of the Society for Psychical Research and the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena (from 1960), he has twice been the recipient of the "UFOlogist of the Year Award" of the National UFO Conference (1972 and 1992)."


-edit- Hey wmsm! Here's another blurb from the book above I thought might interest you;

"The Shaverian mythos had it that our Sun developed a form of detrimental radiation which horrified the elder races, as this typed of radiation is the source of mutation, aging and death in this otherwise ageless and deathless race..."

[Deusdrum]

Double sigh, apparently my promises are worth about as much as the digital paper they're made on.

Anyways, consider this; date of the infamous Roswell UFO and/or balloon crash is July 8th, 1947. Date of the formation of the CIA? July 26, 1947.

With that in mind, I present to you the following, from the 'Daily Mail', from July of this year.

'It was a craft that did not come from this planet': CIA agent speaks out on 65th anniversary of Roswell 'UFO' landings 'http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2170831/Roswell-UFO-landing-CIA-agent-Chase-Brandon-speaks-65th-anniversary.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttp% 2525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252 52F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%2525252525252525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252 52525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525252525253Flink% 2525252525252525252525253Dhttp%2525252525252525252 52525253A%252525252525252525252525252F%25252525252 5252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252 525252525252525252Fvb%252525252525252525252525252F redir.php%252525252525252525252525253Flink%2525252 52525252525252525253Dhttp%252525252525252525252525 25253A%25252525252525252525252525252F%252525252525 25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525 252525252525252525252Fvb%2525252525252525252525252 5252Fredir.php%25252525252525252525252525253Flink% 25252525252525252525252525253Dhttp%252525252525252 5252525252525253A%2525252525252525252525252525252F %2525252525252525252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforu ms.com%2525252525252525252525252525252Fvb%25252525 25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525252525252 53Dhttp%252525252525252525252525252525253A%2525252 52525252525252525252525252F%2525252525252525252525 25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252525 2525252525252525252Fvb%252525252525252525252525252 525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252 525252525252525252525252525253A%252525252525252525 25252525252525252F%2525252525252525252525252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252 52525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252525252525252525 252Fredir.php%25252525252525252525252525252525253F link%25252525252525252525252525252525253Dhttp%2525 252525252525252525252525252525253A%252525252525252 5252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252525252525 25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252525 25252525252525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252525252 52525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525252525252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525252525252525 25253Dhttp%252525252525252525252525252525252525253 A%252525252525252525252525252525252525252F%2525252 52525252525252525252525252525252Fwww.dailymail.co. uk%252525252525252525252525252525252525252Fscience tech%252525252525252525252525252525252525252Fartic le-2170831%252525252525252525252525252525252525252FRo swell-UFO-landing-CIA-agent-Chase-Brandon-speaks-65th-anniversary.html)

Maybe a reach, but also note this, from another book entitled 'The Secret Rituals of the Men In Black' by same author Allen Greenfield in the post above.

"We have been noticing frequent manifestation of the Number of the New Aeon, eleven. More Elevens: Ray Palmer’s FACT (his way of decoding UFO stories) = 56 or 5 + 6 = 11, the number that is the KEY to the Cipher of the UFOnauts..."

-(Bold is mine obvs. this book also avail. free to read @ his website for those interested, not that i'm promoting or endorsing what he says, just presenting bit of variety in my sources, as always. Don't know how it sits w/ me yet tbh)

So point being, 65th anniversary? That's an eleven right there, so maybe relevant, maybe not; thought it worth putting down regardless.

-edit- Added bonus track. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB-6ATu4EUw (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwat ch%3Fv%3DxB-6ATu4EUw)

[Ravenspirit]

I saw something tonight that really freaked me out until I realized what it was. There was a blinking light in the sky in one place for well over 20 mins. It didn't move like a plane or helicopter or look like a star. There are no radio towers or anything like that in that direction so I saw that and I was like WTH?

UFO?

Nope, it was a satellite and apparently it sits there in the same place every night about the same time doing it's thing and I never noticed it before. I had no idea that you could actually look up into the sky and see them sometimes. It made me wonder how many UFO reports were about objects like that? I mean there are a lot of them up there these days...

[Deusdrum]

Interesting Ravenspirit. There was this bright yellow light that i always saw in the sky that was too big to be a planet or star, yet obvs. wasn't the moon. A guy I worked w/ as we were driving from work one night told me when I pointed it out to him in the sky said it was a satellite. I always thought of satellites as moving across the sky, so yeah similar exp. sounds like, although the light i saw all the time did not blink at all.

Couple things I'd like to mention about the ^ Greenfield books are the spectacular claims he makes re: knowledge of how not only to prevent abduction (ie; directing Wilhelm Reich's 'orgone' energy at them, acc. to him can dissipate UFO's for one) but how to initiate contact as well. The latter I'd suggest not be attempted by anyone not well versed in the occult/ceremonial magick arts as he so describes, the former though is notable to me, if such info at all might prove of any worth ( which would be highly debatable, of course). The other thing that struck me reading those books was his assertion that these aliens (the parasitic ones, at least) fear humanity for some reason.

Having said that, the author is clearly a Crowley sympathizer, at least, & possibly follower. Even though I've used the Thoth tarot deck in the past (which is a beautiful deck imo, aesthetically sp.) and have some surface level superficial familiarity with his other work; part of me is wary of Crowley. Plus the Book of the Law (which I've only "read" once or twice) seems rather callous, arrogant and aggressive in tone which I'm not sure I care for, and that is what this secret Ufo cypher of Greenfield's is based on. All the same, food for thought (or not). I'm no occultist/cer.magician so I cannot obvs. speak w/ any authority either way as to the veracity of his claims (or Crowley's, for that matter).

"My ear barely caught signals coming in regular succession which could not have been produced on earth..." -Nikola Tesla. Here's a piece that appeared in the New York Tribune newspaper in 1919, written by Tesla. 'Signals to Mars Based on Hope of Life on Planet' http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/articles/signals-mars-based-hope-life-planet (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.teslauniverse.com%252525 25252525252Fnikola-tesla%25252525252525252Farticles%25252525252525252 Fsignals-mars-based-hope-life-planet)

Here's an amazing story that includes robots, missing change, an attempt to call coyotes for backup and a bow with 3 arrows shot from a tree. A story of a hunter from 1964 in the woods near the California Arizona border. Apparently the witness, Donald Shrum, still wakes up from nightmares and displays signs of PTSD some 50 years after this (alleged) event occurred. First is short clip of the witness speaking of his encounter. Second is longer interview with the researchers of his case, incl. one of the men who was present for the Shrum interview in 2000. Throughout this interview they play several clips of the original taped Shrum interview.
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The last link is from ufocasebook.com and uses original reports from NICAP in 1969 & 'The Hynek UFO Report' fr. 1977. http://www.ufocasebook.com/ciscocounty1964.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.ufocasebook.com%25252525 252525252Fciscocounty1964.html)

Does William Shatner Believe in UFO's? A question posed to him by Larry King, from Larry King's own youtube channel, uploaded April 24, 2014.
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Here are a few articles that deal w/ the concept of government infiltration of the UFO community. The first one comes off as quite critical of the reality of any otherworldly explanation, even suggesting the entire phenomenon is all a grand ruse perpetrated by the govt. for reasons of national security. From The Guardian, August of last year. http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/aug/14/men-in-black-ufo-sightings-mirage-makers-movie (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.theguardian.com%2525252525252Ffilm%252525252 5252F2014%2525252525252Faug%2525252525252F14%25252 52525252Fmen-in-black-ufo-sightings-mirage-makers-movie) Focus of article is on the documentary 'Mirage Men.'

'Spooks Infiltrating UFO Community?' From Wired, circa 2007. Short article that links to original source material in a couple spots. http://www.wired.com/2007/06/toms_motivation/ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.wired.com%2525252525252F2007%2525252525252F0 6%2525252525252Ftoms_motivation%2525252525252F)

The last one is from an indie/blog-ish type source, entitled 'The Pied Pipers of the CIA' http://www.philipcoppens.com/ufo_ciapipers.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.philipcoppens.com%2525252525252Fufo_ciapiper s.html) which in the subtitling boldly claims that, "The UFO contactee movement was led by people that worked hand-in-hand with the CIA; the abductee scenario was created by CIA personnel..."

Shirley MacLaine, also from Larry King, describes her UFO sighting and adds some thoughts on it. From 2014. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDtN5DXtLzk (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%252 52Fwatch%25253Fv%25253DsDtN5DXtLzk)

And another Larry King interview w/ her about UFO's several years earlier. Uploaded to youtube in 2007 (orig. air date idk). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvHSkHKZRmI (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%252 52Fwatch%25253Fv%25253DjvHSkHKZRmI)

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'40 Yr. Anniversary of 1973 Mississippi River Abduction of 2 Men by "Robot Like Beings"' Shortvideo Interview fr. Mail online w/ one of the male eyewitnesses who was (allegedly) abducted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEfB4k_yJm0&feature=youtu.be (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttps%25252525 25252525253A%2525252525252525252F%2525252525252525 252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252525252Fwatch%2525 252525252525253Fv%2525252525252525253DxEfB4k_yJm0% 25252525252525252526amp%2525252525252525253Bfeatur e%2525252525252525253Dyoutu.be) w/ link to orig. story's source in description.

"For the first time since the incident, more than 36 years ago, Travis Walton, John Goulette, and Steve Pierce were reunited at the 2012 International UFO Congress.." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6n7tG08WLM (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttps%25252525 25252525253A%2525252525252525252F%2525252525252525 252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252525252Fwatch%2525 252525252525253Fv%2525252525252525253Dd6n7tG08WLM) 2012, 'Open Minds Production'7min or so.

Short televised interview circa the 1950's sometime w/ Daniel Fry, who worked @ Aerojet General Corp. the biggest developer of rocket engines at the time, complete w/ flying saucer pin on his lapel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9BEHzXctQ4 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttps%25252525 25252525253A%2525252525252525252F%2525252525252525 252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252525252Fwatch%2525 252525252525253Fv%2525252525252525253DJ9BEHzXctQ4) Claims he communicated w/ "them" & was taken aboard a ship. Article avail. in vid's description.

The Colusa Ufo sighting, from abc news, 1977 televised story. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWozIRfImz0 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttps%25252525 25252525253A%2525252525252525252F%2525252525252525 252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252525252Fwatch%2525 252525252525253Fv%2525252525252525253DKWozIRfImz0)

Portage County Police UFO chase from 1966. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJP8OxZr2kE (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttps%25252525 25252525253A%2525252525252525252F%2525252525252525 252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252525252Fwatch%2525 252525252525253Fv%2525252525252525253DWJP8OxZr2kE) Deputy Spaur taped interview pt. 2 re: this case. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjYkSPlGOfY (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwat ch%3Fv%3DBjYkSPlGOfY)

"Obama's Pilot See's UFO, Calls it 'Unbelievable'" fr. 2008.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38t5e4qrV6o (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttps%25252525 25252525253A%2525252525252525252F%2525252525252525 252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252525252Fwatch%2525 252525252525253Fv%2525252525252525253D38t5e4qrV6o)

Deleted scene from the Movie 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind', scene/s take place at O'Hare Airport. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd0p2u6hQiE (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttps%25252525 25252525253A%2525252525252525252F%2525252525252525 252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252525252Fwatch%2525 252525252525253Fv%2525252525252525253Dzd0p2u6hQiE)

Audiences experience 'Avatar Blues' fr. CNN, 2010. Lead paragraph; "James Cameron's completely immersive spectacle "Avatar" may have been a little too real for some fans who say they have experienced depression and suicidal thoughts after seeing the film because they long to enjoy the beauty of the alien world Pandora." http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/11/avatar.movie.blues/index.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.cnn.com%2525252525252525252F2010%2525252525 252525252FSHOWBIZ%2525252525252525252FMovies%25252 52525252525252F01%2525252525252525252F11%252525252 5252525252Favatar.movie.blues%2525252525252525252F index.html)

Daniel Fry book (legal to read, copyright expired) 'Steps to the Stars', orig. edition published in 1956, this one is the fourth edition from 1965. https://danielfry.com/daniels-writings/steps-to-the-stars/

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Okay THIS is the last one for awah-hile, the last page i got into some darker, paranoia type stuff so i'd like to end this on a positive note.

Here is Daniel Sheehan, who was the lawyer for John Mack and also went to Harvard with him. The following talk is long, but it is full of a pragmatic, insightful and positive vision. He has a sense of humor, touches on Teilhard Chardin's Omega Point theory and a ton of other interesting avenues.

It is long, but one of the better presentations I've heard on this subject and he has a hopeful pov, which i find refreshing, and just generally comes off as quite an intelligent guy all around, whether you agree w/ what he says or not. Also takes a critical look at the state of the world as it currently stands, which is only fair imo.

He takes a bit to get into the UFO/alien area, so a heads up if you want to skip some of it or what have you.

From contact in the desert this year, on his youtube channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67bC15PBt64 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttps%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.youtube .com%252525252Fwatch%252525253Fv%252525253D67bC15P Bt64)

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Start off with a real gem imo, the Joe Simonton case. TV interview w/ Mr. Simonton who recounts his encounter w/ a ship, it's pilots and pancakes. He actually shows the camera one of the pancakes given to him by the beings, and the military mentions in the press how they in fact did chemical analysis on one of these pancakes and gives their results. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo9fAMocdL4 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttps%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.youtube .com%252525252Fwatch%252525253Fv%252525253DJo9fAMo cdL4) From Wisconsin, 1961.

Selection from Jacques Vallee's 'Passport to Magonia'. Coincidentally after reading it I realize he relates another story involving pancakes, so I'll put this link next for that reason. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_vallee02.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.bibliote capleyades.net%252525252Fciencia%252525252Fciencia _vallee02.htm) Book orig. published in 1969, main theme is a comparative look at the similarities b/t faerie & UFO experiences, correlations are drawn b/t historical and modern cases.

Article fr. NYDaily News online, 'Dead LA man... believed to be 'part alien' secret government worker' http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dead-la-man-1-200-guns-identified-part-alien-article-1.2301594 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.nydailyn ews.com%252525252Fnews%252525252Fnational%25252525 2Fdead-la-man-1-200-guns-identified-part-alien-article-1.2301594) From July 23rd of this year. " The mystery behind a Los Angeles gun fanatic found decomposed in a car last week has deepened as his fiancée's family said he was an alien-hybrid secretly working for the government."

'CIA says at least HALF of all UFO sightings in the 1950's & 60's were spy planes, NOT aliens,' Quite the claim. Story from Dailymail UK, December of 2014. The tweet sent out by the CIA; "Reports of unusual activity in the skies in the 50's? It was us." http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2891893/CIA-says-HALF-UFO-sightings-1950s-60s-spy-planes-not-aliens.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.dailymai l.co.uk%252525252Fnews%252525252Farticle-2891893%252525252FCIA-says-HALF-UFO-sightings-1950s-60s-spy-planes-not-aliens.html)

Short article about Carl Jung's letter to 'New Republic' Magazine in 1957 just prior to the only paper he wrote on the subject. "The problem of the Ufos is, as you rightly say, a very fascinating one, but it is as puzzling as it is fascinating; since, in spite of all observations I know of, there is no certainty about their very nature..." http://www.openculture.com/2013/05/carl_jungs_1957_letter_on_the_fascinating_modern_m yth_of_ufos.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.opencult ure.com%252525252F2013%252525252F05%252525252Fcarl _jungs_1957_letter_on_the_fascinating_modern_myth_ of_ufos.html)

Want to present this with the caveat and disclaimer that I myself do not know whether all of the names & places on this list are accurate or properly vetted. It could be slander and innuendo for all know in large part, however at least one of the youtube channels listed (that apparently makes money off of ufo hoax videos) I'm pretty sure is bunk as this site says, so in the interest of pursuing truth, here is a website called 'The UFO Blacklist,' You may be surprised at the length of the list, and as I say I'm not privy to the validity of what this guy or gal purports as being the case, so with that in mind; http://ufotheater.com/ufo-channel-reviews/ufo-black-list/ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fufotheater.com%2525252F ufo-channel-reviews%2525252Fufo-black-list%2525252F) In his bio def. seems qualified to debunk videos.

And finally, a very interesting article entitled, 'Did Christ Warn His Apostles About an Alien Threat to Humanity?' Article is part review of two other books, and deals with Gnosticism and 'The Gospel of Judas,' in which he quotes from, for one, this passage of Jesus talking to Judas; “Lift up your eyes and look at the cloud and the light within it and the stars surrounding it. The star that leads the way is your star. Judas lifted up his eyes and saw the luminous cloud, and he entered it.” http://www.world-mysteries.com/gw_jwaters1.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.world-mysteries.com%2525252Fgw_jwaters1.htm)

The Gospel of Judas btw is a real thing if you haven't heard of it, dated at around 100 or so AD, but of course very controversial for obvious reasons as you might imagine.

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Magic, happiness pancakes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgw87s-ijXM (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttps%25252525252525253A%25252525252525 252F%25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%25252525252 525252Fwatch%25252525252525253Fv%25252525252525253 DWgw87s-ijXM) http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/15/fashion/a-1969-film-touches-a-generation.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.nytimes. com%252525252F2011%252525252F05%252525252F15%25252 5252Ffashion%252525252Fa-1969-film-touches-a-generation.html)

I don't know what happened w/ the empty post, it zapped everything when editing, luckily i had the presence of mind to go back a page in the browser to cut and paste thus saving me almost an hour of time.

Anyways, not ufo related per se, although def. paranormal and fortean. This series was from my youth on t/v and for my money stands as arguably the best reality paranormal show ever made. This episode and the only sequel to a location that followed are two of my favorites. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhXRh82D9ss (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttps%25252525252525253A%25252525252525 252F%25252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%25252525252 525252Fwatch%25252525252525253Fv%25252525252525253 DVhXRh82D9ss) The one thing about the show however, is they do make the contestants go through some pretty iffy acts/rituals, i for one do not think i could go through with some of the dares. It is meddlesome in dangerous ways perhaps, but hard to argue against the entertainment value of the show.

If you like ghost stories and spooky stuff this might interest you.

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The following is from 'The Bulletin of Anomalous Experience', 1991. vol. 2, #4, pg. 10; an article named 'The Magnetic Implant Response' based on research and experiments involving a large magnet held around the heads of alleged alien abductees, people who believed they had implants, although another test done & talked about in the paper/letter used a random sample of the population. "Another interesting Tesla Coil effect was noticed by
V-#1 during January and February of 1991. V-#1 was
given the Tesla Coil to keep and use at her home. On
several occasions, specifically on certain evenings, V#
1 would get the feeling that unseen entities were
nearby. She found that by powering up the Tesla Coil,
this sensation would vanish, as though the Coil was
disrupting or driving away the invisible force."
It is available online freely & legally distributed (the entire B.O.A. in pdf) The line above I quote is concerning the so called 'Tesla Coil Suppression Effect', (TCSE) which, according to these two researchers (one of them, author Nicholas A. Reiter, who I've not heard of before, a self described engineering technician) neutralizes the elevated stress levels caused by the strong magnet held to the area near where the implants apparently are in/on the subjects' heads.

Allegedly it also deadens whatever effect, charge, power the implant has over the individual in large part, although the paper goes on the describe the effect returning in lessened form over time, so it is not believed to 'kill' the implant or effects of it entirely.

Earlier in the paper we are given these other results re: the TCSE; (The 'MIA' stands for 'Magnetic Implant Response')"Following the exposure to the field of the Testa Coil,
V-#1 was re-tested tor the MIA. The results were absolutely
negative. The MIA had vanished. V-#1 was
tested again, approximately twenty-four hours later, and
the results were still negative."

Short show called 'In Search Of...', (this particular one, 'In Search Of... Aliens') narrated by Leonard Nimoy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwa5KtbnKhc (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 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Other episodes (series ran from 1977-1982) avail. on the youtubes.

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X-Files is back in January. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFJnWwh12j0 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp s%2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.youtube.com%252525 2Fwatch%2525253Fv%2525253DCFJnWwh12j0)

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Focus on the Betty Andreasson case, a 'positive' abduction experience for a change. First link is an article explores and quotes passages from the book 'The Andreasson Affair' by Raymond Fowler. The hypnotic regression transcripts I find interesting. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_andreasson.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttp% 2525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252 52F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%2525252525252525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252 52525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525252525253Flink% 2525252525252525252525253Dhttp%2525252525252525252 52525253A%252525252525252525252525252F%25252525252 5252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252 525252525252525252Fvb%252525252525252525252525252F redir.php%252525252525252525252525253Flink%2525252 52525252525252525253Dhttp%252525252525252525252525 25253A%25252525252525252525252525252F%252525252525 25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525 252525252525252525252Fvb%2525252525252525252525252 5252Fredir.php%25252525252525252525252525253Flink% 25252525252525252525252525253Dhttp%252525252525252 5252525252525253A%2525252525252525252525252525252F %2525252525252525252525252525252Fwww.bibliotecaple yades.net%2525252525252525252525252525252Fvida_ali en%2525252525252525252525252525252Falien_andreasso n.htm)

"... a devout Christian. During her abduction, she was taken before a being of intense light and love called "the One." This description of this being is remarkably similar to descriptions of the so-called "Being of Light" encountered in near-death experiences." Abduction took place in 1967, hypnosis session fr. 1980.

Next is a t.v. talk show w/ a panel discussion incl. Betty & others, hosted by proclaimed psychic medium Pat Galiardo (upload is fr. her Youtube account) Best I can tell it's from the 80's? sometime, TV26. Betty is hypnotically regressed towards end of the show, and sketches a being she saw (doesn't look like a grey for once, surprisingly). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAf2rGuEu8g (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttp% 2525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252 52F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%2525252525252525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252 52525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525252525253Flink% 2525252525252525252525253Dhttp%2525252525252525252 52525253A%252525252525252525252525252F%25252525252 5252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252 525252525252525252Fvb%252525252525252525252525252F redir.php%252525252525252525252525253Flink%2525252 52525252525252525253Dhttp%252525252525252525252525 25253A%25252525252525252525252525252F%252525252525 25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525 252525252525252525252Fvb%2525252525252525252525252 5252Fredir.php%25252525252525252525252525253Flink% 25252525252525252525252525253Dhttps%25252525252525 25252525252525253A%2525252525252525252525252525252 F%2525252525252525252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com% 2525252525252525252525252525252Fwatch%252525252525 2525252525252525253Fv%2525252525252525252525252525 253DtAf2rGuEu8g)

Next is an interview (first 40min) on Dreamland radio w/ author & researcher of Betty's case, Raymond Fowler. Synchronicity and the illusory nature of time are discussed along with the Andreasson case and alien abductions in general. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idsDTi8IqZM (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttp% 2525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252 52F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%2525252525252525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252 52525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525252525253Flink% 2525252525252525252525253Dhttp%2525252525252525252 52525253A%252525252525252525252525252F%25252525252 5252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252 525252525252525252Fvb%252525252525252525252525252F redir.php%252525252525252525252525253Flink%2525252 52525252525252525253Dhttp%252525252525252525252525 25253A%25252525252525252525252525252F%252525252525 25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525 252525252525252525252Fvb%2525252525252525252525252 5252Fredir.php%25252525252525252525252525253Flink% 25252525252525252525252525253Dhttps%25252525252525 25252525252525253A%2525252525252525252525252525252 F%2525252525252525252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com% 2525252525252525252525252525252Fwatch%252525252525 2525252525252525253Fv%2525252525252525252525252525 253DidsDTi8IqZM)

-edit- Swear to God I didn't mean to post this at 3:33 (not consciously at least) Well it's 3:33 for me anyways, here in the ol' Pacifical timing zone.

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That is strange. Post # 197 has suddenly disappeared. It was there for like a week and now it's gone.

Mods? Do you know what happened there by any chance? Post #193 & 196 got zapped as I made them, but 197 is the first retroactive zapping that has occurred. I spend a fair amount of time making these posts, the longer ones at least; and if they are going to vanish days/a week after I've made them then I'm not sure it's worth my time, energy and attention to continue this thread.

I know for a fact it was there. I remember a few of the links i posted in it, it was visible (at least to me?) for quite awhile a few different times when I've been in the thread recently, and now it's gone. I don't want to get conspiratorial about it, but even if it's some weird glitch, that really negates my ability to do my thing here. Just knowing a post I've spent that much effort on is liable to disappear without warning or explanation is not something I'm cool with to keep going forward in this thread.

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Post # 169 is gone too. I would have noticed that before, at the time, I recall no other duplicate &or zapped post that far back.

In the meantime, here's something to melt your brain. From Parasociology blogspot. Parasociology is something I've never heard of it before, but I likes the sounds of it!

-"This blog is dedicated to the conceptual and empirical development of parasociology, a sub-discipline of sociology studying how societies and paranormal or “psi” phenomena interact. It looks into phenomena like UFOs, Marian Apparitions, Poltergeists, and Parapsychology..."

Article; 'UFO's, Synchronicity & Morphic Fields' http://parasociology.blogspot.ca/2009/09/ufos-synchronicity-and-morphic-fields.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fpar asociology.blogspot.ca%252F2009%252F09%252Fufos-synchronicity-and-morphic-fields.html)

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Found this very interesting...Its a discussion relating to aliens from a retired whistleblower, and also goes onto a meeting at congress discussing aliens, alien technology and black projects...Enjoy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI0Ee81epXM&hd=1 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp s%2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.youtube.com%252525 2Fwatch%2525253Fv%2525253DhI0Ee81epXM%25252526amp% 2525253Bhd%2525253D1)
Backtracking a bit to see if any other zapped posts appear (or no longer appear rather) and found this which I failed to reply to.

So thanks Tazza, apologies for not responding earlier. Going to give this a listen now (part of it at least atm, it's pretty long might have to do it incrementally)

'Dr Mario Pazzaglini and the Enochian Space Aliens' http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/bb/bluebook010.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.bibliotecapleyad es.net%25252Fbb%25252Fbluebook010.htm) & interview w/ him, 'On Alien Writing' http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/esp_vida_alien_54.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.bibliotecapleyad es.net%25252Fvida_alien%25252Fesp_vida_alien_54.ht m)

Original 'Battle of Los Angeles' Radio broadcast from 1942. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5m7736RMBEg (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%252 52Fwatch%25253Fv%25253D5m7736RMBEg)

Trevor James Constable interview; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ez4_rOI9VQ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%252 52Fwatch%25253Fv%25253D1Ez4_rOI9VQ) (on Invisible UFOs)

15 minute audio clip from the 'Out There' show which was to be hosted by Dan Aykroyd that was never aired. Interviews a crop circle researcher. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHLeFsIofQc (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%252 52Fwatch%25253Fv%25253DYHLeFsIofQc)

[Deusdrum]

Read/watch/listen while you can before it all gets zapped! Seems certain posts in the thread have a shelf life for some reason. They're out to get meh! (just kiddin'... I think). I realize this isn't the mods deleting posts btw b/c there would be no remnants of them and they would also contact me if this were the case, or so it is to the best of my understanding.


http://incredaleems.com/aleemwebsite3abest/zap.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk6I3JzWeas (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.youtube.com%252 52Fwatch%25253Fv%25253Dxk6I3JzWeas)

[Deusdrum]

From the Gulf Coast 1973, CBS news. Multiple witnesses interviewed incl. police officer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OglIf64cjjc (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttps %2525252525252525252525253A%2525252525252525252525 252F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%252 5252525252525252525252Fwatch%252525252525252525252 5253Fv%2525252525252525252525253DOglIf64cjjc)

1990 German t.v. news segment about a sighting in Greifswald. (Subtitles/cc works well for translation to English). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8op0_N59rkU (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttps %2525252525252525252525253A%2525252525252525252525 252F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%252 5252525252525252525252Fwatch%252525252525252525252 5253Fv%2525252525252525252525253D8op0_N59rkU)

1979, interview w/ man From Livingston Scotland, fr. Arthur C. Clark's 'Mysterious World' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDGe62dR1tE (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttps %2525252525252525252525253A%2525252525252525252525 252F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%252 5252525252525252525252Fwatch%252525252525252525252 5253Fv%2525252525252525252525253DWDGe62dR1tE)

Women who claims positive e.t. exp. & some art/language she drew, what seems implied is that it's influenced by said beings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wL0A6ityaA (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttps %2525252525252525252525253A%2525252525252525252525 252F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%252 5252525252525252525252Fwatch%252525252525252525252 5253Fv%2525252525252525252525253D2wL0A6ityaA)

Physicist Dr. Jim Gates talks about his "Simulation Theory" and delves briefly into his research and findings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYl-aV4wSss (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp s%2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.youtube.com%252525 2Fwatch%2525253Fv%2525253DYYl-aV4wSss)

Robert Anton Wilson muses about 'Consciousness, Conspiracy & Coincidence', excerpt from a 'Thinking Allowed' interview. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0uImc27Ico (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttps %2525252525252525252525253A%2525252525252525252525 252F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.youtube.com%252 5252525252525252525252Fwatch%252525252525252525252 5253Fv%2525252525252525252525253Dq0uImc27Ico)

'Ghost Particle is Proof of Alien Life, Says Astrobiologists', article fr. 'Tech Times'. http://www.techtimes.com/articles/27361/20150120/ghost-particle-is-proof-of-alien-life-says-astrobiologists.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252525 3A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fww w.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252525252Fvb%252 525252525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525252525253 Flink%252525252525252525253Dhttp%25252525252525252 525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252 5252Fvb%25252525252525252525252Fredir.php%25252525 252525252525253Flink%25252525252525252525253Dhttp% 2525252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252 52F%2525252525252525252525252Fwww.techtimes.com%25 25252525252525252525252Farticles%25252525252525252 52525252F27361%2525252525252525252525252F20150120% 2525252525252525252525252Fghost-particle-is-proof-of-alien-life-says-astrobiologists.htm)

From description; 'A video surfaced in the spring of 2007 showing an unedited pre-interview discussion of the Chicago O'Hare Airport UFO sighting between Jon Hilkevitch (the Chicago Tribune transportation reporter who reported the Chicago UFO story) and Jim Wagner a news anchor with CLTV, a 24 Hour news channel in Oak Brook, Illinois.' Includes actual/official broadcast of the story as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqvmX-XW1HA (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252525252Fvb% 2525252525252525252Fredir.php%2525252525252525253F link%2525252525252525253Dhttps%2525252525252525252 53A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fw ww.youtube.com%252525252525252525252Fwatch%2525252 52525252525253Fv%252525252525252525253DuqvmX-XW1HA) Sighting & orig. air date from 2006.

P.S. Thanks again Tazza for the post, I'd seen part of that before but not in full and it bears repeating. I especially like the congresswoman who admits from going to pure skeptic to pure believer after the testimony and speeches by the speakers at the event.

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Maybe the best lecture I've ever seen or heard on the ufo topic, by John Mack @ the UFO Congress fr. 2002. First hour, 2nd hour is reptilian part I linked earlier in the thread. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=311sjQTqro0 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwat ch%3Fv%3D311sjQTqro0)

Interview w/ John Mack on the 'Today Show', 1999. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUdOcZ-q_q0 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwat ch%3Fv%3DlUdOcZ-q_q0)

The 1973 Pascagoula Abduction interview w/ alleged abductees. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M08gyPvEdj8 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwat ch%3Fv%3DM08gyPvEdj8)

Peter Jennings news report on the Phoenix Lights before they were called the Phoenix lights, fr. 1997. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxnXImNuCyA (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwat ch%3Fv%3DSxnXImNuCyA)

Segment fr. a 1999 t.v. show about 'The Aetherius Society', descr. fr. vid; The Society was founded in the mid-1950s by an Englishman named George King shortly after he was contacted in London by an extraterrestrial intelligence known as "Aetherius". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx9pkvNlN94 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwat ch%3Fv%3Dcx9pkvNlN94)

'Scare Tactics' show, UFO prank. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hya70kBm4Pw (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwat ch%3Fv%3DHya70kBm4Pw)

Interview w/ alleged mother of alien hybrid babies. Think she's being honest? Is what she says true? Or does she think it's true? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axQI_LbBd6E (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwat ch%3Fv%3DaxQI_LbBd6E)

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Fr. description of video; "excerpt from Dragons and Rings where Reich's discovery of what he called 'bions' and their possible link to energy manifestations like UFOs.." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fgs8NH6r84 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttps%25252525 25252525253A%2525252525252525252F%2525252525252525 252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252525252Fwatch%2525 252525252525253Fv%2525252525252525253D7fgs8NH6r84)

Transcript of a lecture from the 2005 'Crash & Retrieval Symposium' in Las Vegas by Peter Robbins, titled; 'Wilhem Reich, Orgone Energy & UFOs'
http://www.eye2thesky.net/WilhelmReich_PeterRobbins.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.eye2thesky.net%2525252525252525252FWilhelmR eich_PeterRobbins.html) Rather lengthy but interesting for those curious about Reich.

Essay by John Moorehead fr. 2007, “The Truth is Out There: Postmodern Myth and Archetypes, Extraterrestrial Salvation,and Mythic Apologetics” http://www.academia.edu/534012/_The_Truth_is_Out_There_Postmodern_Myth_and_Archet ypes_Extraterrestrial_Salvation_and_Mythic_Apologe tics_ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.academia .edu%252525252F534012%252525252F_The_Truth_is_Out_ There_Postmodern_Myth_and_Archetypes_Extraterrestr ial_Salvation_and_Mythic_Apologetics_)Paper is def. Christianity flavored in parts, just so you know, for those that may be averse to that, though plenty of substance (imo) of things to consider if you can look beyond that. Another longer piece.

T.V. News spot from April 2014, WLOX News; 'UFO Captured Multiple Times on Deer Cam.' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzyhubOYft8 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttps%25252525 25252525253A%2525252525252525252F%2525252525252525 252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252525252Fwatch%2525 252525252525253Fv%2525252525252525253DCzyhubOYft8) Includes some footage and multiple witness interviews.

From ufoevidence.org an Article, 'Australian Aboriginal Culture and Possible UFO Connections.' From summary; "The legends and lore of the indigenous aborigines also provides material suggestive of interactions with anomalous aerial phenomena. Of course, in speculation about such data, it should be realised that the accounts are of historical and anthropological nature and therefore care should be taken not to interpolate too much into them." http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1590.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.ufoevidence.org%2525252525252525252Fdocumen ts%2525252525252525252Fdoc1590.htm)

Very brief CTV News piece/interview with former Defense Minister Paul Hellyer on the "Candian disclosure tour." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmWeEVobWMM (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttps%25252525 25252525253A%2525252525252525252F%2525252525252525 252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252525252Fwatch%2525 252525252525253Fv%2525252525252525253DkmWeEVobWMM)

Article from 'The Dot Connector' magazine, 'John Keel & His Adventures in Unreality.' From May of 2011. Yet another lengthy, but (at least I find) interesting one. http://www.sott.net/article/229112-John-Keel-and-His-Adventures-into-Unreality (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.sott.net%2525252525252Farticle%2525252525252 F229112-John-Keel-and-His-Adventures-into-Unreality)

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Part 3 of the documentary 'Touched' fr. 2003. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0OQhFTR2EQ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttps%25252525 25252525253A%2525252525252525252F%2525252525252525 252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252525252Fwatch%2525 252525252525253Fv%2525252525252525253DO0OQhFTR2EQ) I start here b/c parts 1 & 2 not only have some f bombs dropped but are also disturbing, pt. 2 includes an upsetting hypnotic regression, thus those who want to check out the entire doc, viewer discretion advised, you may want to skip it if it's too intense. pt. 3 is fine though. This doc is also avail. all in 1 vid w/ a youtube search.

ABC News documentary fr. 2005 hosted by Peter Jennings, 'Seeing Is Believing.' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn0D9paan0 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttps%25252525 25252525253A%2525252525252525252F%2525252525252525 252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252525252Fwatch%2525 252525252525253Fv%2525252525252525253DFn0D9paan0c) Over an hour, haven't watched it all myself yet.

Excerpt from a documentary about 'the Areribo Message'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW3NW7OIWDw (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttps%25252525 25252525253A%2525252525252525252F%2525252525252525 252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252525252Fwatch%2525 252525252525253Fv%2525252525252525253DkW3NW7OIWDw)

Footage/sound of the 'Wow Signal' recieved at Seti in 1977. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAKy_08klrg (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttps%25252525 25252525253A%2525252525252525252F%2525252525252525 252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252525252Fwatch%2525 252525252525253Fv%2525252525252525253DZAKy_08klrg)

Also from 1977, the 'Vrillon' message that overtook a tv news broadcast in the uk. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BWHVmBY0Cs (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttps%25252525 25252525253A%2525252525252525252F%2525252525252525 252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252525252Fwatch%2525 252525252525253Fv%2525252525252525253D6BWHVmBY0Cs)

The wikipedia entry of ^ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Television_broadcast_interruption (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttps%25252525 25252525253A%2525252525252525252F%2525252525252525 252Fen.wikipedia.org%2525252525252525252Fwiki%2525 252525252525252FSouthern_Television_broadcast_inte rruption); It's "generally thought to be a hoax" acc. to this, but no one ever laid claim to it nor was the source ever proven one way or another.

A video narrating and illustrating a number of interesting UFO cases, incl. the 1st one where a man attacks his dog after a confrontation w/ strange beings at the edge of his property. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx6iRTafLtE (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttps%25252525 25252525253A%2525252525252525252F%2525252525252525 252Fwww.youtube.com%2525252525252525252Fwatch%2525 252525252525253Fv%2525252525252525253DFx6iRTafLtE)

A series of 3 different news articles about people & an organization making attempts to attract UFOs. http://www.unexplainedresearch.com/in_the_news/ufo_attractor.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525252525252Fvb%2525252 525252Fredir.php%2525252525253Flink%2525252525253D http%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%25252525252 5252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%252525252525252Fvb%25 2525252525252Fredir.php%252525252525253Flink%25252 5252525253Dhttp%25252525252525253A%252525252525252 52F%25252525252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%2525 2525252525252Fvb%25252525252525252Fredir.php%25252 525252525253Flink%25252525252525253Dhttp%252525252 5252525253A%2525252525252525252F%25252525252525252 52Fwww.unexplainedresearch.com%2525252525252525252 Fin_the_news%2525252525252525252Fufo_attractor.htm l)

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May as well put pt. 4 here seeing as how I've vetted for language and it's not as dark, even slightly on the positive spin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYePckPscTg (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttps%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.youtube .com%252525252Fwatch%252525253Fv%252525253DnYePckP scTg)

Btw I love the bit in part 3 (1st link in post above) by Vatican demonologist Monsignor Balducci, the last part of what he says being; "...to say it's not true increasingly weakens the value of human testimony. Given that so much of history relies on human testimony, Christianity is then put into question b/c it too is based on personal testimony, otherwise it would be a stupid faith."

-edit- pt. 5 all clear & good to go also. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbucyFYWrWE

[Morpheus]

Stardate 14B-21-2016

Beginning a new 5 year mission...

Pboinnngg!... Pboinnngg!...

www.startrekcontinues.com

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- [Since you bumped this Morpheus, here's something I posted yesterday in the X-Flies thread...]

I just came across this in an article which i never knew before, and it is too perfect, b/c this guy is hands down one of my favorite alien/ufo researchers of all time, and was a psychiatrist at Harvard who helped a great deal i believe to instill some credibility into the entire field of Ufology. ' ...At the time that Carter devised The X-Files, he stumbled across startling research from a Harvard scientist called John E Mack... Mack allowed him to sit in on “a regression hypnosis session” with an alien abductee, an experience he describes as powerful and disturbing...' http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...-10416742.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/the-x-files-creator-chris-carter-on-government-conspiracies-and-paranormal-experiences-10416742.html)

I can't begin to describe how satisfying this is to me that Mack may have played some role as an impetus, inspiration, or at least influence for the the X-Files, right from the very beginning no less.

Found the article b/c I heard that Carter didn't even believe in UFO's or aliens, which bothered me, so i did a google search to either confirm or deny this notion and come to the truth of the matter, and thankfully this same article also puts that to rest (well, sort of).

- [John Mack ftw! <3 him, <3 X-Files. Sometimes, in those beautiful moments, everything's coming up Milhouse (Simpson's reference to complete the cycle).]

[Morpheus]

Very interesting D!

[Deusdrum]

Thanks Morpheus! :)

Felt I'd like to share these, since I'm listening to them right now myself and any new information or interview involving Mack is like coming upon internet gold to me.

These 3 are all taken from http://johnemackinstitute.org/ They're all audio, but written articles can also be found at this website.

1st is a 2005 30 minute BBC radio program on Mack and his research, including commentary from his wife, patients/clients of Mack and other researcher/s who put forth the idea that abduction encounters may be explained by sleep paralysis. http://experiencers.com/media/mack_bbcradio4.mp3

2nd is an hour interview of Mack on Dreamland radio fr. 1999, hosted by Whitley Strieber. Strieber himself is/was an alleged alien abductee.
http://experiencers.com/media/mack_dreamland.mp3

3rd is recording of a presentation Mack gave in 1995 (going backwards in time here for some reason) called; 'Studying Intrusions from the Subtle Realm'
http://experiencers.com/media/mack_subtlerealms.mp (http://experiencers.com/media/mack_subtlerealms.mp3)3 (http://experiencers.com/media/mack_subtlerealms.mp3)

Further audio clips can be found at website linked at the top of this post.

Listen if you dare! (or care to) Let me know what you think! I'm using lots of exclamation marks lately! Please make it stop! jk! Oh no again!

[Morpheus]

Interesting stuff, D. Thanks.

There's no reason though to think that an advanced outside force cannot initiate a natural physiological condition for their own purpose.

[GemDragon09]

This thread is fantastic!

[GemDragon09]

Oh, some of the videos are no longer available...

[Nature Grows]

Here's a recent interview with James gilliland on the news about ufos and e.t's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMYUPGInxqo

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Interesting way of putting it Morpheus, sounds a reasonably safe assumption to make, esp. considering there are people make similar claims, yogi's, shamen, medicine men, etc. Or the Wilhelm Reich links i posted awhile back, all the symptoms and effects that happened when he was doing his Orgone energy experiments, cloud busting, etc.

Nature Grows thanks for the contribution and GemDragon thanks for stopping by :)

Thought i'd go back to the basics & the thread's roots here for a post, all vid/t.v. news stories on ufo's.

Update on Podesta/Hillary Clinton ufo/declassification story, from Complex News. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq_u9XH0LR8 upl. March 4th

CBC News piece (fr. the 80's sometime by the looks of it) title of vid; 'UFO sightings in Manitoba date back to before planes of blimps had been invented'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP4U3A-721o

CTV News from Oct. of last year, crab fisherman and his daughter are interviewed and explain what they saw. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaXZktR92cc

Feature on a couple witnesses, interview describing an encounter exp. by two Texas police officers in 1965. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LsDFhxyYgY

Story on the Reed family ufo commemorative monument from ABC News. Guy tells pretty harrowing alleged personal experience. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDQJ_zjWRPo

'Time & Again' NBC News show, from 1997. Pt. 1 of 5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esRUwXILs8U

Two more from Complex youtube channel, 1st on weird streak of light seen in California. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab8qHLQy4yo 2nd link, 'Something Emerges From A blackhole for First Time Ever' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgn1wdFBcoo officially the biggest ufo i've ever heard of, AINEC heheh

German program ufo special from 1992. Use cc english in youtube settings, it's an adventure but passable in terms of translation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H442ju5gylY

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https://johnandsydney.wikispaces.com/file/view/alien_newscasters.gif/160742977/376x497/alien_newscasters.gif

Get this 1st 1 out of the way as it's upsetting, 'Man that shoots Pastor claims Aliens control Earth'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VveFjDPpPmc fr. Fox News, seems recent.

Fr. Space Channel, 'Nasa Unexplained Files' pt. 1 of a story about NASA astronauts hearing "Outer Space Music" on the Apollo 11 mission on the dark side of the moon. Audio clips of the event included in the video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjLZBrQ-Oq4

Program originally aired on NBC in 1978 entitled,'Project UFO' dramatization of alleged real cases. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl7dQm_8f_0 The show would run for 3 seasons in total.

NASA astronaut Edgar Mitchell discusses ufo's aliens with a Fox News panel. Acc. to vid description, orig. air date was in 2012. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0plSKKr76uA

From 'New Dawn' Magazine online, article; 'Credo Mutwa & the Alien Agenda: UFOs & Alien Abduction in the Eyes of a Zulu Shaman' http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/articles/credo-mutwa-the-alien-agenda-ufos-alien-abduction-in-the-eyes-of-a-zulu-shaman -edit- This story is upsetting in places as well, just a heads up.

'Your Need to Know: The Rand Corporation & UFOs', fr. Open Minds Production channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daAcBu9xBi4

Article which delves further into the Rand connection in a number of tantalizing ways, from paranoiamagazine.com; 'Deep Secrets of a UFO Think Tank – RAND, Battelle and “Memory Metal” ' http://www.paranoiamagazine.com/2016/03/deep-secrets-ufo-think-tank-rand-battelle-memory-metal/

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From February of this year, story w/ all 4 elements of news, entertainment, government and the ufo phenom wrapped up in a nice little package together. From Fox News, story about X-Files slash CIA releasing of ufo files. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAwYmu9WFSw Taken from the MUFON youtube channel (Chris Carter is a member of MUFON, apparently, i did not know that.)

The Fatima Virgin Mary/Sun-UFO incident of 1917 in portugal. From 'Strange Mysteries' channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxok8ZoPgFM '30,000 Witness Sun Become UFO'

Article fr. phantomsandmonsters.com, 'Alien Healing Claims' http://www.phantomsandmonsters.com/2014/10/alien-healing-claims.html Author source/refs. at end of article.

Short article on writer John Fowles; 'Why Did One of Britains Most Esteemed Authors Wrap Up His Career w/ a Bizarre Ufo Novel?' http://www.conceptualfiction.com/a_maggot.html

'UFOs: Miracles of the Unknown' Documentary fr. 1994. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhN4F_YqHwQ Talks about Hopi's and the 'Kachina's', which is what they called aliens, or a type of alien. Haven't watched all of it yet. Notice how fake the Adamski footage looks, lol. Hrmm. Don't know if I'm buying it. Weird, unsettling spacey-montone .. tone to the vid in general, but covers some interesting cases.

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Japanese Robot Alien Breakdance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vtj4D_TEKQ believe the hype

Personal hero of mine, the intrepid George Knapp narrates a March CBS piece, expands on the John Podesta, Hillary Clinton story w/ further details. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdkDk6Sifvc

60 minutes segment, from 1996, 'Area 51: Catch 22' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64dJ1pGETMY Talks about lawsuit filed by former employees and the refusal of the airforce to acknowledge the area 51 base.

This one pretty astonishing, if true, fr. 1997, pilot talks to Art Bell on coast to coast am, while flying over area 51 (allegedly) you may guess how it ends.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h1ht-MptmM Not to say whether it's real or not, could be staged.

1996 'Entertainment Tonight' Host John Tesh, short piece on area 51. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDCI_66lXYc

fr. KABC Channel 7 News, 1995 area 51 story, pt. 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frZ0Y3X7x6Q

ABC News, 2008; Woman Claims Alien Abduction https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZ5wQkyzZOQ

Vid. description; "Members of the public waiting at a busy London bus stop were pranked using Augmented Reality technology as part of a campaign for Pepsi MAX. Augmented Reality technology gave the illusion the bus stop advertising board was see through, allowing unexpected scenes to be 'mapped' over the live feed. As passengers waited they were faced with an alien invasion, giant robots and a Bengal tiger on the run." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWXictuN0wI

Larry King, 'Live From Area 51' (..literally, it looks like) pt. 1, featuring a very young looking Stephen Greer, replete with hair on head and full beard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa45v-rDy9g fr. 1994.

"Old TV UFO Broadcast 1977" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctb-g68fxv4

pt.1 of a Betty Hill interview from 1999. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g93YoWsHjU Betty/Barney Hill case fr. 1961 of course one of the first, widely publicized alleged alien abduction encounters.

If anyone tries that space syrup recipe from the phantomsandmonsters.com link in my last post on prev. pg., let me know how it works. I'm thinking of giving it a whirl, some solid ingredients in there.

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Props to Stanton Friedman in that video too, good scientific, nuts and bolts type researcher. Although I'm more open minded about Bob Lazar than he, apparently.

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Astronauts talk about the transformative experience of beholding the Earth from space, and it's effects on returning to it, from space. Warm ambient musical score included. 'Some Strange Things Are Happening to Astronauts Returning to Earth' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OsuiRmexWk

From 1977, William Shatner's 'Mysteries of the Gods' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnUy-naD0Yw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oEAycDMW2A

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Ok, you asked for it. Well, no you didn't, per se; nevertheless, here it is, the motherload of all posts. And by that i mean quantity, they'll be a lot of links.

News. UFOs. In the. Come get a little. Because that's whats going on. Chakras and Astral projection is thataways, don't deal with that stuff, that's not what happens here. Or is it?? Ima go ahead and say yes it is, too! b/c i can! Let's do this thing!!

1947 Kenneth Arnold interview. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0D8eAm8h2Y

San Antonio, March 16, NBC News. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X85ZR2Z7mO4

Fox News 10, 1997, Phoenix ufo interview w/ alleged witness Tim Ley. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaQBfgszbDU

WCCO News, 2015 piece about deputy incident in 1970's Minnesota, interview deputy, show his squad car w/ alleged damage from ufo, and talk about injuries deputy sustained. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXhjkwhNsLE

Fox 9, Minnesota UFO segment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR6B1CuHsVc

Gosford UFO piece, fr. 1994. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHQSE2uxDUA

Channel 2 News, Denver, 1988. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tTRBIi3D4w

KCTV 5 News; Blue Springs, Missouri, 2012. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_bfrc5tPNI

KTLA News, Orange County sightings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiZYODVCH1k

Cape Corral, Florida; Fox 4 News, 2012. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJW2EIrcs7U

NBC 21 News, Oregon etc. sightings 2014 newy years eve. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do5HWGUfyv8

Fox 2 News, Michigan/Detroit, 2013. Alleged UFO footage incl. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6STuuGY-Z4

3 News, 2010, New Zealand. UFO Files released. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTb1QXT8iMo

'Ukraine Airshow UFO Crash 2008' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgQauezKwLY

BBC 'Breakfast Time TV' show fr. 1980, on Alan Godfrey case. Featuring a young David Icke before he believed in reptilians. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3TT5mHUehc

1979 NFL Game, commentators comment on ufos hovering around arena, show footage of them also. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkocOCHw83Q

NSA interview 3 ufo abductees. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DMSl2XcunA

'The Gatehead Grey' about 1940 encounter w/ Richard D. Hall. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StKqVS3n4BM

NASA Engineer talks about 'Faster than light' technology. From Bloomberg, upl. 2013. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8SO0dgZVE8

News 12, 2014, piece on red orbs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OhiCX4akZE

Charlotte, NC; 2014, NBC News. Witness footage incl. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adz85PIc-ZM

ABC 3 News, oil workers and others spot ufo's fr. Michigan & Canada. 2013, w/ footage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0FnmEKK32A

Fox News, 2016, Astronomer tracks UFOs in Chicago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvKsMnpKtC4

WTVA News, Mississippi & Alabama, 2014 sightings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eeip9qWpIVA

UFO "shoots beams", KFVS News, Jackson, Missouri. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsIRMcElsVw

"ABC Reporter has UFO Sighting", fr. 2014. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5c6TTlHAOw

1984, NTV News fr. Japan, Rendlesham special pt. 1. Use CC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-G3Qd8Guhc

Kentucky, 'Little Green Men' case fr. 1955, upl. 2011 at 'Kentucky Educational Television' youtube channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlGrb74APy4

2012 KTLA News 'Mystery Monday' piece on ^ same story fr. 1955. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjjjEnPXimU

Ted Koppel, 1987 'Nightline' piece w/ Phil Klass and Stanton Friedman as guests. pt 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLQKKwt8tm8

From Oprah Winfrey youtube channel, short blurb of Oprah w/ alleged abductee. 'Oprah Delights at thought of Black Aliens' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIxAsorNbHg

Fr. KTLA News, 1988, 'UFO Cover Up,' pt 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BBTx0O1ZUw

Fox News 2009, New Jersey sightings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djGk2A7ngto

NBC News, 2016. Police w/ "UFO Response Unit"? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLFD0r1q8S8

Looks like early 90's? 4 news, Nashville woman terrorized by her (alleged) abduction experiences. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzh3wHMFcm8
Trailer for film 'Ghost Rockets' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0slQwdHE5w4 vid. pub. 2012, wonder if they made the doc yet.

Clip from 1994 movie, 'The UFO Cover Up'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-hRcHy2gh0 Starring Martin Sheen among others.

Story on 1978 case on disappearance Australian pilot Frederick Valentich. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfa2_gbefrw

[Okhma]

Hi Deusdrum,

I've been checking some of the links you shared, and they happen to be interesting.
I regularly look for disclosure/exopolitics information, and I think it is not only a vaste but also fascinating subject (the future I tend to believe).

Have you seen the files the CIA recently declassified about UFOs?
I tried to share the link here but, unfortunately, I haven't posted enough to do so.
But you can find these files on the CIA official website.

Also, there are hundreds of qualified testimonies in various domains on YouTube, one of the channel is SiriusDisclosure I think.
I couldn't forget to mention the National Press Club conference in 2000 (you mentioned John Podesta earlier, he was testifying there too), or even the Citizen hearing on Diclosure conference that happened a few years ago in front of former American congress members.

All of it is on the web:)

[Deusdrum]

Hi Okhma, thanks for stopping by.

There was another member who posted links of the National press club testimonies, etc. Guys like Greer, Bassett, etc. have been at it for years. Almost for as long as the new age channelers have been talking about ascension into the 5th dimension, which i find an interesting parallel to draw, not to say there is any correlation b/t them, necessarily. Although being whisked away in spaceships to escape a world descending in the flames of armageddon is not dissimilar from wanting to ascend out of the mire spiritually-dimensionally.

Disclosure in this context is kind of a loaded word i think. Disclosure of the existence of extraterrestrials? Only the et's (if that is what they are) can disclose their own existence; and historically speaking, they've been elusive in that regard unless they reveal themselves to individuals or small groups. Often seem quite mercurial, trickster-ish.

Another thing to consider is this, are we capable witnesses? Maybe the only thing preventing a full, conscious awareness and apprehension of every facet of the entirety of who/what aliens and ufos are, is us. Maybe they're standing beside us this very moment in our living rooms, and the only thing preventing our recognition of them is certain of our senses being atrophied or undeveloped/underdeveloped. Maybe they are us, or we them, (timetravellers theory, for example) in which case, how much in denial are we?

In few of preceding pages of this thread i link many articles that mention what is often referred to as the initiatory nature of the phenomenon. They can often sort of shatter the conceptual-reality framework of those who have the more charged, impressionably significant experiences. Which could be a good &/or bad thing.

Even assuming we have laid suitable groundwork for them to appear, which their crafts are able to land upon, (perhaps many people are ready for disclosure) is the social fabric itself able to withstand the entirely novel reality of the existence of a superior, off world intelligent race that may be radically different than our own? We cannot even reconcile differences among ourselves politically, culturally, religiously, economically, etc.

The question i guess is disclose what, and how much? Does the govt. for example, admit knowledge of abductions? And their inability to prevent them from occurring? That might not go down so well in terms of reassuring to the public.

Alien technology? Thus showing their hand to political rivals, opening up attempts of espionage to compromise & steal said secrets/intelligence/information? One wonders about some of what is intimated by certain people re: the u.s. military industrial complex. Advanced, alternative forms of energy? Dependence on gas and oil will be a tough one to rend not only from those who own things, but the entire infrastructure of roads, vehicles, the mentality itself.

I think many diff. disciplines are involved in the ufo/alien question, as John Mack suggested. What subject does it not encompass? Physics, quantum or otherwise, biology, chemistry, religion, anthropology (ancient aliens anyone?) sociology and cultural relativism, psych-ology & -iatry, economics, technology of all kinds, philosophy... it runs the gamut and covers everything essentially.

I remember quite clearly when the internet went online. If not for that, conversations like this would not be possible, point being, the future is very much now, already, and what this future looks like will depend largely upon what we do, now.

If the medium is the message, ufo's and aliens are pretty mainstream nowadays, maybe that was by design. Maybe this IS what disclosure looks like. News people telling us about our experiences, in the larger social arena. To me it has always been a human question, b/c that is the only way in which to apprehend or determine anything about 'them'.

Look at the Greys, for instance. In large part cold, invasive, manipulative, sterile, dispassionate, scientific (most all abductions involve "testing" upon the individual victim/experiencer). Often warning of us of the destruction we're doing to the planet and consequences of doing so. Yet as a whole, our civilization treats the planet much like they treat us! (refer to description opening sentence of this paragraph). Is it then, in part a reflection/projection back to us of our own deficiencies as an intelligent race? Or is our behavior somehow under a negative et influence, thus we act in such ways?

Consider also, many aboriginal cultures (emphasis on 'original') incorporated/integrated the star people into their reality with far less incredulity and far greater respect than per captia, on average western civilization has. In that sense, disclosure happened a long time ago, and has fallen by the wayside in the material pursuit of progress and the infinite competition for finite resources.

Maybe the gradual infiltration and embedding (alleged hybrids?) of (the) alien(s) into human society is right on schedule, at least fr. the et/'other' POV.

Another issue to me is this, on some level the phenom seems to be a pure manifestation of the mysterious. Mysteries, by definition, are unknowns; and how do you disclose the unknown, maybe the unknowable? have to keep the questions coming so that the quest can continue, keep coming back with more adventures to pursue, keep us on our toes. They could be our greatest nightmare or beyond our wildest best hopes and dreams come true. In either case, the end result is often a profound change occurring in how we see the world, ourselves- and going by the maxim 'be the change', maybe the world itself. Maybe this is the name of the game.

I'm also excited for the future. An interesting time to be alive.

Here's a short article fr. author Nigel Kerner who speculates about the 'Gospel of Judas' and some passages from said gospel that strike him as possibly related to the alien/ufos phenom. http://www.nigelkerner.com/Confirmations/Was_Judas_an_Abductee.html

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Imaginative documentary from 1975, 'Journeys From Beyond Earth' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szCdFmWNseA feat. a young Stanton Friedman (been at it in the Ufology field for over 40 years, pretty impressive) covers a wide array of things besides alien/ufos; Atlantis, telepathy, psychokinesis, etc.

-edit- i recommend muting the black mass part, if you make it that far. To me that's gross, I'm not hearing it, nor am I having it. Vid only spends a couple minutes on it, thankfully.

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My soapbox pontificating aside, that's actually a good point about the CIA files Okhma, i have heard as much though never looked into it before.

Here's a link to one ufo section of the CIA website; https://www.cia.gov/news-information/blog/2016/take-a-peek-into-our-x-files.html (includes the link "how to investigate a flying saucer").

Here's another resource from the 'Black Vault,' description from site; "Every document in this archive was obtained through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). Begun in 1996, at the age of 15, John Greenewald, Jr., began hammering the U.S. Government with FOIA requests to obtain information. The Black Vault is the result of that near 2 decade effort."
Here's their UFO files, sources incl. the FBI, CIA, DOD, NSA and other branches of the U.S. military and government. http://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/all-ufo-documents-from/ All legal and officially declassified of course, as indicated in the quote above.

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My hats off btw, to guys like Friedman, Greer and Bassett for their efforts in regards to disclosure. If nothing else, they've managed to organize, gather and present a multitude of great witness testimony. In general terms, it's probably safe to say they raised some awareness of the ufo/alien issue. Hope my earlier rant did not come off as dismissive, was not my intention, was more less musing aloud which ended up becoming a sort of editorial essay on my current thoughts.

There may be some things I take issue w/ when it comes to Greer, at least his theory of all aliens are good and all abductions are performed by the govt. or military, that sort of thing. But yeah they've been doing it for years, Bassett with his trademark 'truth embargo' phrase, Friedman likewise with his 'Cosmic Watergate.'

I think Podesta getting Hilary Clinton to say, outright, during a presidential campaign no less, that she will look into area 51 and the ufo question is itself, seems pretty substantial disclosure wise. Perhaps it's popular enough now that it's an advantageous stance to take b/c u.s. voters consider it important? Why else would she risk making any kind of serious statement involving ufos? Is it indicative of a wider acceptance of the subject in general? Granted presidents have spoken about it before, but never quite as pointedly or openly that i can recall, least during active political careers.

Speaking of which, here is an interesting site I came across awhile ago, The Presidents UFO Website. http://www.presidentialufo.com/

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Brad Steiger's 1982 film, 'The Truth About.. UFO's & ET's' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ie33kAVVVhc

Bio-feature, 'Whitley Strieber Recounts his Abduction Experiences,' commentary and recounting/story told by Strieber w/ dramatization of events. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5bEgfYfCII Fairly recent judging by looks of the video.

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Interesting Fox News 4 piece on the 1897 Aurora UFO crash/alien grave incident, feat. Jim Marrs and some old schooly newspaper clippings of stories showing prevalence of alleged airships & ufos at that time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxvsDGaIVZo vid cuts off full interview at the end (you'll never know what he was about to say, muhahahahahahah)

Lazy sort of cool-guy, superficial (imo) piece of journalism fr. Vice that totally looks into the ufo thingy. 'The Real X-Files?' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o92V9JEzbIU
Field reporter goes from alleged, ostensibly open minded person to making some pretty hard and fast conclusions in record time. And all it took was a few guys to conjecture and assert an opinion or two with the help of some visual aids. Skepto-centric piece, featuring the smoking man from X-Files and some of the more popular skeptic/debunkers in the field. (Granted I have my own investment of bias too, which may hinder complete objectivity and be partly resp. for such a scathing review).

Makes passing mention of Roswell, shows some memory metal but doesn't get into any specifics. Hope this vid does not do undermine the skeptical argument side of the spectrum which tbh deserves as much consideration as the believers imo; at least for those of us who've not had the experiences to inform us directly. I'll continue my search for some quality skeptic pov material, which i do not doubt exists and should i feel get some representation in this thread.

2000 interview w/ Art Bell & Whitley Strieber on NBC's 'Today Show,' promoting their collaborative book, 'The Coming Global Superstorm.' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JDjz3-Q4v0 Host asks what to me are some very astute, pertinent questions to which the responses from the two guests imo does not adequately or at least fully satiate such legitimate concerns of qualification, among others raised by said questions. But hey, who knows? Maybe the global super-storm has yet to come. Not about ufos per se, but incl. it b/c both men are so associated, intimately connected, at least publicly, in/with the ufos/alien field.

1956 documentary, 'Unidentified Flying Objects' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FadrekyNgGY

'Interdimensional Beings heal patients at clinics in Israel' Fr. vid. description; Adrian Dvir was born in 1958 in Bucuresti Romania and emigrated to Israel in 1965. He was an Electronic and Computer Science Engineer, married with two children. In 1993 he had his first communication with an Alien being from another dimension or realm. This report interviews some of his patients. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20zH0mDQ3No

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Fun with anagrams! For those that don't know an anagram is; "noun. a word, phrase, or sentence formed from another by rearranging its letters"

First one was quite eye popping when i read it, goes to show sometimes it is worth reading youtube comments.

Lucifer and his army of angels = had alien flying saucer forms (this one freaks me out a bit tbph, haha)

Some of these are barely connected but they sound interesting to me anyways so included few of them.

UFO Sighting = Fight In Us, Go = Hug, Sit In Fog = Go Tug In Fish = If Nigh, Got Us

Flying Saucer = Surface Lying = Lunacy's Grief = A Rescuing Fly = A Curse Flying = Us Flying Race = Garlic Fey Sun = Clan Fire Guys = Scaly Fire Gun = Scan Flier Guy = Fly Genius Car = Faery Cling Us

Area Fifty-One = Eye Not Affair = Retain Yea Off = Ay, A Fire Often = Ion Faery Fate = Atone Fair Fey = A Fat Eery Info = Train A Eye Off = Arena, Ye Off It

Alien Abduction = Incubation Deal = Induce Ablation = Labia Unnoticed = Due In Botanical = United Ion Cabal = Coil In Unabated = Nautical Bio End = Lone Incubi Data = National Cube ID = Incubi Dote Anal = Bio Induce Natal = Unlit Aid Beacon = Lone Cabin Audit = Caution Bad Line = I Bade Continual

Unidentified flying object = (1)Deductible Finite Fogy Jinn, (2) Fifty Djinn Guilt Obedience -[djinn/jinn fr. dictionary.com; 'any of a class of spirits, lower than the angels, capable of appearing in human and animal forms and influencing humankind for either good or evil.']

Roswell New Mexico = Silence, Ex Owl Worm = We Welcome Six Lorn = Mire Now Owl Excels = Owl Excels, Win More

Rendlesham Forest = Healed Stern Forms = Formless Adherent = Short Federals Men = Earthed Self Norms = Aldermen Serf Host = Antlered She Forms

Extraterrestrial Visitor = A Literati Stirrers Vortex = A Tv Errs, Territorial Exits = Stirrer Irritate A Sex Volt

Galactic Federation of Light = A Fit Incarcerated Flight Logo

End with an inspiring one;

"That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind." -Neil Armstrong = Thin man ran; makes large stride, left planet, pins flag on moon, on to Mars!

Interesting article about Jacques Vallee and ufo related synchronicity. http://rigint.blogspot.ca/2007/08/author-author.html (http://rigint.blogspot.ca/2007/08/author-author.html)

Would recommend checking out the comment section ^ too, some fascinating stuff in there as well imo.

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Messing with the anagram translator further, out of curiosity I did 'UFOs in the News' = ;

Oh, Newsiest Fun = Info's nuts! Whee! = Uh, Newest Info's = Infuses the Now = Whose Nuts?!... Fine. = Now Shift Ensue = Unseen Fits, How? = How Tens Infuse = Font Wish Ensue = See Unfit Shown = Fuses With Neon = He's Two Funnies = Owes Hunt Fines = Soften Hue Wins = Fitness Hue Won = Finest Hues Now = Unto New Fishes = Use Own Fishnet

http://www.sacredgeometryatx.com/gifs/zoomtorus.gif

'Area 51 tour Bus Accidentally Crosses into the Base..' fr. CBS News, 2014. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqSluNfBQgk

Pt. 1 of a Jim Marrs Presentation on the 1897 Aurora case. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=garZVNywXWM From 2009.

-edit- have to add pt. 2, to ^ gets good far as concepts/cases i've never heard b4, to me compelling substantive material https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFhNEX-7iro

Boyd Bushman, senior scientist at Lockheed Martin talks about the Hutchinson Effect. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57ZKTA7nx8U

[Okhma]

Thank you for the new posts Deusdrum,
Still very Interesting, and I find your approach objective for once. I mean, you of course give your clear opinion on the matter but you also don't hesitate to post links to videos showing people trying to debunk or barely Touch the depths of the issue.
I tend to get frustrated when I come accross these, but I respect the way you put things together, you don't hide the other side of the coin.

I have a question for you, do you think the whole UFO secrecy is happening for the only sake of a few greedy ones (macro economic system based on oil and gas) and the ones holding the religious authority ... Or do you think there are actual deeper concerns behind it?

[Deusdrum]

Thanks Okhma, appreciate it. Yes, I figure skepticism is crucial given the nature of the subject itself. Not only in sorting out truth, validity, honesty on a case by case basis, but also in first hand alien encounter. If you receive telepathic messages or are standing face to face with 'them'; are they what they seem? Can we can trust what they say? That they are who, what, how they appear? If they've ships able to zip off at incredible rates of speed, become invisible, morph into different forms, etc. who's to know what other sorts of tricks they may have up their sleeve?

As to your question, I think it's an important one. As i eluded to in my rant post I think by their very nature, they are strange, enigmatic and mysterious. Secrecy may be a part of their essential quality.

Do I think there are deeper concerns? I do, b/c for example look at the abduction phenom. According to our human moral standards, it's not only invasive and intrusive, what they (allegedly) do is criminal. In the more dramatic instances you have kidnapping, physical &/or sexual assault. If we can blame them for cattle mutilations too then add stolen property, cruelty to animals, and probably some bio-hazardous materials, terrorism types of felonies to the list.

Many abductees think differently about their experiences later, but can we rule out something like stockholm syndrome from this to account for changes in attitude?

In a John Mack lecture, another researcher who was critical of Mack's work and believed sleep paralysis could explain the abd. phenom. did different tests in that vein to attempt proving his theory. Inadvertently, in the process he helped establish something i consider significant (if true). It was some electro-magnetic resonance meter reading data or something to that effect (can't recall specifically) that showed abductees display levels of trauma re: their experiences (again, from bio-field measuring device of some sort) comparable to the degree to which war veterans ptsd, victims of violent crime, etc. experience trauma.

For that alone, and skeptics can claim these alien abd. don't literally occur, yet still it remains that at times severe psychological trauma can result from such perceived encounters, real or imagined. Listening to Barney Hill's hypnotic regression tape, among other tapes fr. dif people, you can hear, feel how intense and upsetting it sounds in his voice.

On the other hand, a lot of times people that come at it from too much of a fear based mindset seem liable to get what they're asking for. There are plenty of cases of credible witnesses having positive encounters too. Betty Hill for example sounded as if it were an exhilarating, fun exp. for her, meanwhile her husband is going through terror over in the next room.

As to govt. secrecy, yeah i do think it's probably going on, to what degree, hard to say as how do you know how much you don't know if you've never heard of it before? Federally sanctioned research would provide a ton more cash and available resources if the ufo field was legitimized and taken seriously in an officially acknowledged capacity. That 'Tesla Coil Dampening Effect' very preliminary research done ref.ed earlier in thread, tesla, orgone energy, etc.

Then again, how do you get something so slippery, unpredictable like aliens into a laboratory? I guess cases of alleged implants having been run through every kind of scan and testing imaginable is 1 example, but the being themselves seem to dictate who and when. Who's to say it's necessarily of any benefit to investigate in the first place? That would be the less courageous stance to take, but perhaps in some cases the more prudent. Jacques Vallee wrote a book, 'Messengers of Deception', John Keel once remarked it was perhaps not advisable to get involved with at all. There certainly seems to be a sinister component to ufos, maybe they ought not be given any attention. Of course a number of other people say the opposite, and claim/ed to have integrated alien aspects into their lives in positive, healthy and beneficial ways.

I think part of the allure of power is the control. For the people in power to divulge their secrets could dilute and loosen up their control, and if you've built yourself up through such means, how desperately would you cling to it to maintain it, when you feel it slip? Losing control can be a helpless, scary feeling, esp. if the love vibe is so seemingly 'alien' to perhaps certain of such people/beings. Everything's perceived as a threat to their ego.

Underlying it all is information, power and energy imo. I think much like how we align in accord w/ our Spiritual values/principles is how also to approach ufology. Clear connection with a divine source to me is like the solvent solution for everything. I think disclosure, energetically speaking, will have greater probability of occurring en mass when enough people attune themselves in this sense, et's/ufo phenom, whatever it is, will play their part in the future,what their role is i have no clue, maybe it's all idle speculation on my behalf.

No offense, but i dreaded reading that question b/c i knew it would end like this, haha. Another novelette length response of an answer, apologies for the long winded reply to say more or less, "I don't know," lol. Have my theories, impressions and suspicions like anyone else tho i suppose.

Another anagram; Battle Of Los Angeles = Flogs A Notable Steel = Got Lost, Enable A Self = A Lost Befallen Set, Go = A Soft, Steel Ball- Gone = A Steel Goofball Sent = A Fellest Logo, Absent = A Tablet Oneself Logs = A Stable, Gentle Fools = A Foe's Longest Ballet = A Toneless Fog Ballet = Label A Gent Footless = A Bangle Fleet's Tools = A Toneless Gable Loft = A Fable's Gentle Tools = A Gentlest Solo Fable = A Left's Tenable Logos = Absentees, Flog A Toll

Assume fr. sometime in the '50s, excerpt fr. 'The Flying Saucer Mystery w/ Donald Keyhoe'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMe9vGr627E
incl. witness testimony & sketch of craft.

Lockheed Martin: Hybrid Airships, The Next Leap in Transportation Technology https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzBrOEv8kZM

Unexplained Bright Light Flying Across Sky, fr. 2016, KTLA News. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymostBj5q8k

1986 John Keel 'Men In Black' lecture, pt. 1, 2 & 5. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6BI6ktTp9w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0dcqTxs2Rw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SBFLsmo5ys

Prologue fr. 2007 movie, 'Eyes of the Mothman' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahFYPw5ATk4

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The 'Ummo Letters' http://www.ummo-sciences.org/en/a003.htm

Fr. Wikipedia; "... a leading Spanish contactee named Fernando Sesma Manzano became involved when he began receiving lengthy, typewritten documents which purported to come from a spacefaring race called the Ummites..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_objects_proposed_in_religion,_astrology, _ufology_and_pseudoscience#Ummo

'The Ummo Affair', https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1kMFMQtXi0 & 'Suspicious Packages From Ummites' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myCZJqNi8wk

^ Both fr. Cosmic TV youtube channel, taken from some documentary type show.

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No problem at all Deusdrum,
That was a complete and well argumented answer.
It's always been hard to answer with hard core truth when it comes to the UFO subject, simply because, like you underlined it, we rely on third parts statements and/or different perception of the phenomenon (previously driven by our conceptions or beliefs).

I tend to be optimistic regarding the matter, but at the same time I don't fall into the "fairies and butterflies" approach of it.

I am on another hand very interested by the technological aspects, it would drive civilization into a new era and a new conscious realisation (we are not alone in the universe). Once we go over that realisation, we can grow accordingly and challenge our unmeasurable ego.

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Think I'm with you on the optimistic pov, while Keel & Vallee certainly to my mind aught to be given due consideration, these guys did their homework and were insightful, intelligent men in the field, (Vallee helped create the internet, Arpnet at least, which was a precursor to the internet) they were also involved in investigations of black magic, Vallee himself rubbed shoulders w/ practicing Satanists acc. to some sources, which gives me cause to wonder at possible negative influences on his/Keels work and assessment in some respects.

John Mack, a trained Harvard Psychiatrist who dealt primarily w/ alleged abductees himself seemed to in part conclude that this was a phenom that helped his patients expand their minds, themselves, their perception/conception of reality in some apparently positive ways. Budd Hopkins on the other hand who introduced him to the phenom. took a darker view of course, which also bears weight in terms of things to consider.

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More anagrammar;

'Little Green Men' = Telling Me, Enter = Gentler Lime Net = Mint Gene Teller = Reeling Net, Melt = Let Element Ring = Tell In Emergent = Tiler Gentlemen = Let Mr. El Get Nine = Let In Gem, Relent = Mr Tingle Eel Net = Net Element Girl = Ell Internet Gem = Tell Ten Regimen

'The Phoenix Lights' = Highest Toxin Help = Height Helps Toxin = Lo, The Eight Sphinx = Oh, The Legit Sphinx = Hi To The Sphinx Leg = Tighten Helix Hops = High Text Pinholes = Potent Helix Highs = Hen Exploits Thigh = The Oxen Lightship = Heel Things, Hot Pix = Hi Host, Expel Night = Host, He Lighten Pix = Host, He Pixel Thing = Pile High, Next Host = Tenth Helix Ship, Go = High Host Telex Pin = He Spin, The Light Ox = Lo Ship, High Extent = Slip, Oh High Extent = High Helix Net Spot = Hot Sex, Lighten Hip = Thine High Sex Plot = Hi, Sex Help Tonight = Hit Light Phone Sex = Hip Thing, Hotel Sex = Sixth High Pole Net = The Sphinx, Hi, Let Go = O, the Sixth Helping

Short interview w/ the late Dr. J Allen Hynek fr. 1985 Norway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvK0Ij6RRE4

Tom Snyder interviews Hynek & Peter Gersten in the early 80's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unAR5UE8sjc

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Barney And Betty Hill = Blatantly Here By Din = Thinly Tabled Nearby = Thy Blend By Alien Art = Handy Barbell Entity = Hybrid Lent Any Table = Internally Bathed By = Yet Blend A Labyrinth = Neatly, A Hybrid Blent = Betrayal In Thy Blend = Nit Thy Breed, Banally = End Thy Banal Liberty = Allay Bent Hybrid Net = Byline, Held By Tantra = Telly Yarn; Hit, Nabbed = Nabbed At Hilly Entry = Lay Thinly Barbed Net = Ah Babel, Dryly Intent = Rend Thy Babel Litany = Ye Banally Bent Third = Able By Any Third Lent = Ban Hybrid Ally Tenet = A Hybrid Ally Bent Net = By Alien Brand, Let Thy = Alien Belt By Hydrant = Dryly Bent Alien Bath = Darn Hell Baby Entity = All Bend By Rah Entity = By Bell, An Entity, Hard = Ban All Entity By Herd = All By Her Entity Band = Entity Hand Barb, Yell = Behind, Yell By Tantra = Bind Nearby, Yell That = Ye Bind By Tantra Hell = Deny Table Labyrinth = Badly, Thy Inner Table = Try Hand Line By Table = Halted Bible Tyranny = Try Neatly, Bible Hand = Tenth Bible Lady Yarn = Ay, Then Try Bible Land = Land, Hi, Entry By Table = Babel Entry, Hint Lady = By Anthill, Bade Entry = Bah, Bandit Entry, Yell = Bland Yeti Entry, Blah = Enter By A Baldly Thin = Bid Thy Ally Enter, Nab = Try Thin Eyeball Band = I'll Tend Any By Breath

From CNN, 2011 story about popularity of an FBI Ufo file released online. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMiuqREI0mo

Fr. 'Unsealed Files' Channel, George Washington's alleged UFO Sighting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA7dL67fxrM

Alien Abduction segment fr. a 1994 episode of 'Dateline'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F5mDTeIuzI

CNN Special Assigments, program fr. 1985 re: Ben t-waters case. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMOSXtgyPqM

1997 BBC documentary, 'Contact' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooYYeqEGfGE

1991 show, 'Visitors From the Unknown', narrated by James Earl Jones. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjW3YQW9frM

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Ok, I'm getting abstract here and pushing the limits w/ the anagram thing i realize, however i really did not do justice to 'Unidentified Flying Objects' so here are some more;

I See It, Djinn Fly On Cubed Gift === Stiff, Guilty Djinn Obedience === Djinn Becloud Fey Gift In Site === Djinn Becloud, Gifts Fit In Eye === If Eon Guy Lift, Djinn Bisected === If Fun Yogi Let, Djinn Bisected === Go Unify, If Bisected Djinn Let === If Unit Fly, Djinn Ego Bisected === Of Bisected Djinn Leg, Unify It === If Unfit, Ye Got Djinn Decibels === Ye Gift Of Djinns Decibel Unit

Unity Beings Diffidence Jolt === Jet Beings Coffined Untidily === Judo Deflect Infinity Beings === Fetid Beings, Joyful Incident === Iffy Beings Continued Jilted === Jiffy Beings Tiled, Unnoticed === Join Until Fifty Beings Ceded === Beings Decide, Fitful Jinn Toy === Until Beings Decode Tiny Jiff === Beings Encoded Iffy Jilt Unit === Fit Joy, Unfit Beings Declined === Funny, Codified Jet Beings Lit === Joy, Unfit Elf Beings indicted === Justified Benediction Fled === Deductible Stiffening In Joy === Enjoin Nifty Deducible Gifts === Dignify Fetid Online Subject === If Subjected Online, Dying Fit === I Find Fidgety Subject Online === Dying If Online Subject Fetid === Flying Cubed Definition Jest === Deify, Fling Just Benediction === Yes Lift Jug, Find Benediction === If Ugly Jest, Find Benediction

Infinity Decibel Judges Font === Elfin God Subjected Infinity === Infinity Cubed, Feeding Jolts === Def Jest, Beclouding Infinity === Infinity Lift Judged Obscene === Elf Dudes Objecting Infinity === Duds Flee Infinity, Objecting === Bisect Infinity, Judged Felon === Infinity Subject, Odd Feeling === Define Gold Infinity Subject === Infinity Cube Folded, Jesting === Infinity Obliged, Ejects Fund === Infinity Bulged, Confide Jest === Infinity Obliged Fecund Jest === Infinity Budges, Cleft Joined

Just End Infinity Decibel Fog === Cubed Infinity Sign, Feed Jolt === Fed Cubed Infinity Jest Lingo === Def? Listen. Jog Infinity Cubed === Infinity Cubed Fends Jilt Ego === Deft Gel Joins Infinity Cubed === Infinity Subject In Elf Lodge === Fold In Infinity Subject Edge === Need Gold If Infinity Subject === Infinity Cube Edge Finds Jolt

Eject Lofty Unified Bindings === Unified Body Inflecting Jest === Unified Byte Injecting Folds === Unified Bed, Inject Lofty Sign === Jet Lifted On Big Unified Sync === Id Justify Cloning Benefited === Iffy Nite Jet Cloning Buddies === Just Edify Finite Bed Cloning === Jiffies Deny It, Tubed Cloning === Deity's Icebound Jinn Elf Gift === Fit Jinn Engulfs Deity Bodice === Deity Long Cubed Fifties Jinn === Deity Cubed Lifting Jinn Foes === Din Of Elfin Subjecting Deity

Gods Detectable If Jinn Unify === Djinn Futility, Gods Benefice === Jets Find God Cube Infinitely === Delete Fifty Incubi Jinn Gods === Define God's Infinity Jet Club === God's Bed, Inject Infinity Fuel === I Find It, God's Beneficent July === Deify God's Clubfeet Jinn In It === God's Cube Field Fey Jinni Tint === Nifty Field Benediction Jugs === Notifying In Subjected Field === Cubed Field Enjoying Fit Tins === Nifty Ion Jesting Cubed Field === Cubed Field Jesting Tiny Info === Field Cenobite Finds Tiny Jug

Funding Niftiest Decibel Joy === Enjoying Fifties Bidden Cult === Difficult Nites Enjoying Bed === Find Seed Cubit Enjoying Lift === Jinn Disc, Lifting you, Bed Feet === Unify In Jolting Disc Bed Feet === Binged, Difficult Intense Joy === Jiff's Benign Encoded Utility === I'd Justify Benign Deflection === Justify Infected Benign Idol === Find Joyful, Benign Dietetics === Tend Benign Joy Difficulties === Joyful Diet Benign, Disinfect === Benign Joyful Tide, disinfect === Justify Benign Code Lifted In

Get on a roll and carried away much? Heheh. True true, but it's the anagrammed phrase that keeps on giving.

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Crazily obsessed with anagrams you say? Why sir, I reject the very notion! And may I add how dare you suggest such a thing!

Few more anagrams for 'Unidentified Flying Objects'; In keeping w/ Spirit of thread, when reading them i recommend imagining they are newspaper headlines.

Jiffy, Cloud Bending Entities
Detectible UFO Signify Djinn
Injecting Fun Oddity Beliefs
Fine Fit, Giddy Online Subject
Deft, Jingly Sufi Benediction
Enjoy Gift, Blended Sci-Fi Unit

Lake Erie, Cleveland, Ohio UFO Incident, February 28, 1996; pilots' (2 of them) recording of actual incident. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJyKCR-SkEg

From National Geographic yt Channel, 'Police Confirmed UFO Sighting' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsyD3_KHwCY

911 calls fr. 2004 Centreville Ohio, about a UFO hitting power lines. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJoAMlP0G28

Alleged Contactee interview on RT News, 2012 upload on channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ7GZHjhRA8 Lady makes quite the claim/s.

Short interview w/ former Airforce, police officer Ken Storch, fr. 2009, 'UFO Conversations' yt channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyJERr8NJoc

Excerpt fr. 1958 George Van Tassel lecture, 'Cloud Ships Explained' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNPB0maF8Ec

1987 talkshow interview w/ Linda Moulton Howe in which she talks about cattle mutilations, ufo's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUkjXF_6nu4 Shows slides of cow/s autopsy as Howe explains specific details of cases.

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Post on 'The Marfa Lights'

Am Star Flight, Eh
Flare Hast Might
Ah, Thermal Gifts
Start High Flame
Elf Has Might Art
Rift Hath Gleams
Target Flash Him
Tight, Elf Ashram

Short News doc./news piece https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZwUHFzMY-Q Uploader alleged high praise for this vid fr. Mayor of Marfa. Looks like early '90s?

Excerpt fr. 'Sightings' T.V. show, from early 90's sometime. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCUeQeDOBjI

Fr. 'Seeker Stories', brief feature on the lights. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysqJdCkHxYY

Short vid fr. 'Big Bend Brewing' on Marfa Lights, interviews some people who've seen them, travel to actual site. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5saAnGH3jw

Alleged video recording of Marfa lights. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FridXUHwYw -edit- changed link to better looking footage

'Red Dirt Report' article fr. February 14th of this year, 'Justice Antonin Scalia dies near Marfa Lights location'. http://www.reddirtreport.com/red-dirt-grit/justice-antonin-scalia-dies-near-marfa-lights-location

Article, 'Could Gas Pipeline Extinguish Marfa Lights?' fr. KTRH News radio website. http://www.ktrh.com/onair/coast-to-coast-am-55811/could-gas-pipeline-extinguish-the-marfa-14516301/

August, 2013 Article fr. the Houston Chronicle website; 'Drillers May Shine Light On Marfa Mystery' http://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/energy/article/Drillers-may-shine-light-on-Marfa-mystery-4757798.php

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Find Fluidity Object Engines | Identify Node Filing Subject | Dig, Find Elfin Yeti Sun | Jinn Coin Gift Befuddles Yeti | Definite Flying Odin Subject | Lucid Bed Stiffening, Enjoy It

Fr. PBS Spacetime yt channel, 'Is It Irrational to Believe in Aliens?' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAU9ofjcx-Y 2014.

New FBI agent "Keith" stars in new X-Files scene w/ Mulder and Scully. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6pLxYXpW8I Recent obvs.

'USA Today' segment fr. 1989 on UFOs, pt. 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebRPZ3QyMac

Short clip fr. 1995 'Hard Copy' episode w/ alleged ufo footage fr. Nelis Airforce base. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XtUyzZxOYo

Short MSNBC piece on sighting of triangular ufo, w/ video. Quite a surprising angle, a first that i've seen fr. mainstream t.v. news-anchors, at least to this extreme. 2010ish or so. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4ItQulyZE8

Fr. January this year, promotional type video fr. 'Other World Global Network' yt channel, Thunder Energies Lense detects Entities Invisible to Humans' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQTUb9PIfXs Deals along same lines as Trevor Constable link/s fr. earlier in thread.

Canadian talkshow, 'The Dini Petty Show', interviewing Budd Hopkins and an alleged abductee who comes out for the first time, having used an alias in Hopkins Book, 'Intruders'. Orig. aired in 1989. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W580PNm0nnI 35min or so.

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I think 1 of my favorite anagrams is "Jet Beings Coffined Untidily" haha, idk why, just has a great ring to it.

From CBS Los Angeles yt channel, story fr. November 2015 about a striking blue, cloudy looking ufo. Is it a missile of not? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyWccT3E904

Popular yt channel 'FaceLiketheSun' w/ further, better footage of ^ event, adds some interesting commentary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUiW4oBKym8

Recommend watching best footage incl. in ^ this on that one guy's yt channel, i won't link due to language in orig. vid, but it's pretty astonishing video, whatever it is. I don't get what all those blinking lights around the thing are suppose to be if it's a rocket, as alleged by some official govt. sources.

On the other hand, here are couple stories about (alleged) rockets fired in similar region, similar recent time frame.

Mystery Rocket Launch, 2010, California, CBS Channel 2 News. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ5pnAFducY

February 26 of this year, fr. descr.; "RAW Breaking USA military test fired its second unarmed Minuteman 3 nuclear capable ICBM intercontinental ballistic missile this week to demonstrate its nuclear arms capacity at a time of rising strategic tensions with China Sea Russia & North Korea" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OFPBWUk7_Q Scary stuff. Watch closely,
:23 second mark.. see it in the background? Slow down to .25 speed if you don't catch it. What is that supposed to be?

ABC News 10, about a Sacramento lady who takes some great photos of a golden looking something in the sky. Upl. 2014. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_2kVkbg9Sw

Fr. EarthstarTV yt ch., short clip; 'Zuni Elder, Star Knowledge, Why the Dark Forces Will Not Win' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIFkX2QpMKI

1996 APTN show about giant UFO in Yukon seen by multiple witnesses. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI72oxuGVCQ

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"Find Fluidity Engine Objects"? 'How Anti -Gravity Work, Nuclear Powered UFO.' I make no claim to know if what this guy says is possible/true, i post it out of interest and for your consideration. Talks about "super-fluid", give a number of links to source material in vid. descr. Refers to Disclosure Proj. witnesses. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmjYvquPau0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmjYvquPau0)

"SEA Gel, aerogel lighter than air solid. not a ufo" fr. 1997 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoCAxS4vqwQ Alleged lightest object ever made, least at the time.

John Searl piece re: his research and toroidal circuit theory. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z9ttt_bcbQ presentation on alleged working model of generator based on such science.

Clip fr. 'Thrive' doc. about flower of life symbol & the torus, mark allegedly found burned in ancient Osirian temple in Egypt. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgGtMiqGKeg

Short clip fr. UFO Hunters episode, 'Resonance Frequency & Acoustic Levitation.' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ah2X0F0nBfQ

'The UFO From Bethlehem', fr. Strange Mysteries website. Short clip. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UruVr1wOiTM

'Was Jesus An Alien?' short piece of video illustrated speculation and theorizing fr. Alltime Conspiracie yt channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey4eA0dAAN8

2013, CBS 3 News, diamond shaped ufo sightings in Massachusetts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9iTa-ejPsM

Pt 1. of UFO File's show on 1977 UFO flap in Brazil, with some controversial cases touched on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8C9nWBJwjE

Arthur C. Clarke's 1994 'Mysterious Universe' show, ep. 'Callers From the Cosmos' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbSPnONw7fc 26 min.

Fr. Studio 10, 'Melbourne UFO Mystery, 50 Years On' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPHVvg-dXOs 17 min. Original witnesses interviewed, & ufologist.

5 min. clip fr. 2001 MUFON Symposium of Reverend Barry Sanders talking UFOs & Religion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbO8cBloX58

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From March 24th of this year, Hillary Clinton on, you guessed it, the Jimmy Kimmel show, discussing "Unexplained Aerial Phenomenon" (I feel a new anagram itch.. although i've hear the term referred to rather as 'unidentified aerial phenomena' b4) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBEJjy_s_ZM short clip.

Will be quite interested to see whether this topic comes up during the upcoming U.S. presidential debates (if Hillary makes it that far, that is).

Also fr. March 24 this year, very short vid. new piece fr. ABC News re: Green Bay Packers NFL quarterback Aaron Rodger's recent ufo sighting, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6REt1F7VLQ&spfreload=1play brief clip of Rodger's on podcast talking about it.

Tom Delonge, from the former Cali band 'Blink 182' talks to co-author about their new book, 'Sekret Machines'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko7GyLo5c2Q 3 min. Discuss nuclear missile disablement case, other ufo stuff fr. their book. Pub. March 17 on looks to be fr. a Delonge yt ch.

Mufon recruitment type video, fr. the MUFON yt ch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xZRt_Jyrvk 2013.

ABC News, 2013 story of 2 radio news reporter's's (1 now a T.V. reporter 4 NBC) ufo encounter in 1979 re: the 'Bridgewater Triangle'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRe4SqCyulc

Fox News, John Hook show piece talking w/ Ufologists Jeremy Corbell & Ryan Sprague, fr. Corbell's yt ch; March, 2015. Just under 20 min. long. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DIplNCOcDw

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From 1990, court footage of sentence hearing, a Judge reads/discusses his verdict to Bob Lazar, of (alleged) area 51 fame. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkuhg1FryNU

Interview w/ founder of Bigelow airspace Robert Bigelow. 'The People of NewSpace: 1950's Nevada, UFOs' pt. 1. pub. 2012. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DceaEUUcXpI

February 24th, 2016 article from Popular Science site; 'Can Billionaire Robert Bigelow Create A Life for Humans in Space' http://www.popsci.com/can-billionaire-robert-bigelow-create-a-life-for-humans-in-space Talks about UFOs near end of article.

Fr. some Nasa yt ch. or other, March 29 this year, fr. descrip.; "..the International Space Station project manager for the Bigelow Expandable Activity Module, which will launch to the station on a Dragon cargo ship next month. Provided by Bigelow Aerospace, BEAM will be berthed to the aft docking port of the station’s Tranquility module for a two-year demonstration of the commercial expandable technology.." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQHjWFFeetc 11 min w/ interview of NASA head of project.

(Shorter, 2 min. visual only vers. of 'BEAM' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VopaBsuwikk )

Reed brothers interview on Fox News, upl. 2012. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DsKEDcYAns

Final scene from Coen Brothers film, 'The Man Who Wasn't There' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoZpvd4XWOY Remember watching this, was a weird movie.

Short talk by Paul Davies on 'Big Think' yt. ch.; 'A Message From Aliens in our DNA?' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlSkFMOEYBs

March 23rd, 2013 interview w/ Dr. Charles Hall on Australian 'Sunrise' t.v. channel, makes quite the claim about interacting w/ tall white aliens during his military career. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPGvfDanq2M

Fr. Paranormal T.V. program, segment re: Ed Walters and his footage of alleged ufos captured in Gulf Breeze, Florida b/t 1987 to 1995. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZYhpF8WbUw

Aliens Acid Bath https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N0jaxb94Fc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N0jaxb94Fc)

Fr. descr.; 'Hessdalen, Norway has UFO Observatory since 1988.'Fully Automatic UFO Observatory' records UFO activity 24-7 from the early 80s: ... A government funded and public UFO research project done by scientists and students. They also caught "UFO"s on video.' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJfdVyQbk28

George Knapp short interview w/ man describing life after his 2009 UFO Sighting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UN-u6uzUwo

Uploaded vid. on the C-Span yt. ch. in 2009; 'Buzz Aldrin reveal existence of monolith on Mars Moon'. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDIXvpjnRws

'Encounter w/ the Monolith, (Moonlanding scene)', fr. Stanley Cubric's movie '2001: A Space Odyssey' (based on Arthur c. Clarke novel). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zYm76kkNQk (prepare your ears for the end portion of vid, recommend dont have volume too high at that point)

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Find Life Objected Unity Sign | Felt Feisty Indigo Djinn Cube | Join Destiny Building Effect | Objectified Destiny Flung In | Does City Bid Effulgent Jinni? | Flinty Unified Object Design

March 29, surveillance tape of guys stealing of big prop, ornamental saucer in Roswell, NM. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X4O9lN9_3U

Fr. BBC News, 17 year old charged w/ the ^ theft of saucer. http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/35917427/the-stolen-flying-saucer-and-the-secrets-of-area-51 Goes on to rehash some of area 51 controversy.

Even better article fr. BBC online, 'Bizarre' star may suggest existence of 'alien civilisation' say scientists' http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/34540449/bizarre-star-may-suggest-existence-of-alien-civilisation-say-scientists

'Water Bears Are Aliens'; >1min vid. on Tardigrades, these lil guys are the only creatures that can survive living in space. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFSMycbyB6E

Short 1996 news piece fr. Pretoria, South Africa about ufo sighting w/ police helicopter chase involved. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWKzXc8whMA

Honolulu, 2 News, 2007; UFO (w/ pic.) seen by surfer and other witnesses. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l5JQXf7iZE

1995 sighting in Colorado w/ impressive footage of shiny, white disc or streak in the sky. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bQlUaCag04

Paul Rudd on Conan, timelapse of introducing clips fr. his movies over the years. Yes it is so still on topic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bNzAgJMYVE

Bruce maccabee interview fr. 2003; 'The UFO Coverup' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwGB_0PWQao

Short clip, 'James Mcdonald explains UFO debunking', contains orig. footage of interview fr. some time in the '50s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDaciPllFf4

1min clip of an 80's hairstyled Jacques Vallee showing and commenting on footage shot in 1975 Manitoba. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIgkz_o4ZAA

'Are UFOs Real?' vid fr. 'RYOT' feat. George Knapp, Jeremy Corbell & the always controversial figure Bob Lazar. From 2015. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wObCp90Fx0g

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'Unidentified Flying Objects' (anagram) =;

If Utility Fog Be, Jinn Descend
Nice Bed Fed Jinn's Utility Fog
Ice Fed Utility Fog Jinn Bend
Be Nice, Djinn's Fed Utility Fog
Def Be Since Djinn Utility Fog
End Disc Jinn Utility Fog Beef
Jinn's Utility Fog Bed Fence I.D.

Wikipedia Entry for 'Utility Fog' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility_fog

Trailer for documentary; 'Nano Man: Utility Fog' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKDJ0qDGYzA fr. filmmaker/ufo researcher Jeremy Corbell, a modern, hip new fresh face on the scene in the ufology field, whose work I'm not entirely sure what to make of yet. Basically a guy ("nano-man" I assume), holding a small vial of clear liquid making bold claims about its contents. Upl. in 2015.

9min. 1953 documentary piece on the transistor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9xUQWo4vN0 Fr. yt 'AT&T Tech Channel'.

Partial transcript of 1999 lecture given at the 'Global Sciences Conference' by president of the 'American Computer Company' Jack Shulman, (orig. taken fr. 'Nexus Magazine') @ 'ufoevidence.org' website; 'Reverse Engineering Roswell UFO Technology' Alleges back-engineering of ufo tech. is responsible for the creation of the transistor. http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1866.htm Note that he speaks high praise of Dr. William Shockley briefly once in regards to transistor research, [-edit- although he calls him a buffoon later down in the article haha] but you may be shocked to find out what views Shockley himself infamously propagated back in the 60's & 70's publicly. Hint, racist opinions along lines of genetics/ eugenics type argument, which caused a stir obvs. and caused Shockley some serious (justifiable) disrepute.

Another short tardigrade video feature, 'Nearly Indestructible Water Bears are DNA Thieves' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKf_Q23VV4k fr. 'Newsbeat Social' yt. ch.

Story on lady who owns/runs a 'ufo watchtower' in Hooper, Colorado. Fr. 9 News, upl. in 2011. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJ3tJi4oYCw

Another Piece fr. Fox News on Hooper as ufo hotspot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfcsp9zURpo upl. 2016.

From 'Big Think' website, short article entitled 'Larger Than Infinity'. http://bigthink.com/articles/larger-than-infinity

2012 BBC News piece on green fireball sightings in texas, with dashcam and other footage of event. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edXJixy2N9Y

Documentary fr. 'Studio 3 T.V.' on "the friendship case" that allegedly took place in Italy in the 50's and spanned decades. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpxJtVKhlSw 50 min.

Photek, UFO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwG_aj8iWoQ