Who Reincarnates?

[hybrid]

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As a theory, reincarnation makes a lot of sense. The problem is, it begs the question, "Who reincarnates?"

Thus, when you or I say something like, "In a former life, I was Genghis Khan" . who precisely is speaking?

and if Gengis khan was also the reincarnation of someone else before him and so on and so forth ... who is this one that reincanates in various personalities thru time and end up to be me or you?

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[TzuJanLi]

Greetings..

I sense that "reincarnation" is a bit misperceived.. that when we shed the mortal flesh we return to the source.. either as assimilated energies, or.. in the case of a disciplined being, as a cohesive unit of energy maintaining our basic "nature".. then, as the portal is opened through the physical miracle of conception and Life-force energies flow into the new vessel.. these energies contain bits and parts of the source, different elements of memories from the source of ALL memories.. then, as we develop certain capabilities for accessing the source's all-encompassing memory, we find favor and preferences for certain aspects of "past lifes" resident in the Source.. That is when someone assumes that they were this or that in a past life, when.. in fact, they were everyone in their "past-life".. it is a matter of choice and preference as to which we choose to accept as part of our present experience.. how many people choose to be a murdering rapist, a diseased outcast, or an unsavory barbarian? not many! there seems to a contrived romanticism with the personalities we think we were...

In the case of the well-disciplined beings, they can almost return intact, the very best can.. but, that is high discipline that few are capable of.. here we see the unique beings that find identify old possessions, find their old hidden treasures, fill in the missing pieces of old tales.. but, even they are accompanied by other energies with other memories of other "past-lives"... it's really pretty cool.. our ability to move into the source and experience any past experience we choose.. the difficulty is developing this ability in a single life-time..

Be Well...

[chadley]

Us mortals misperceive reincarnation? Never! lol, just kidding.

Hybrid. i would like to put it this way. All reincarnate but you are none of your reincarnations. Now, what the heck do I mean by that? Simply that gengus Khan was a manifested personality. If yee, your soul choose to experience this world with that personality, then that is great, but you or he is/was not defined by the personality. In other words, you are not hybrid (or whatever your given name is), the flesh you wear is not you? Make sense? Probably not, hee hee.

Chadley.

[TzuJanLi]

Greetings..

Hi Chadley: nicely put!! the flesh is the vessel of our expression.. of "God's" expression.. we have the eternal and infinite Source to draw from as reference for that expression.. some find favor with Gengis Kahn, others with Cleopatra.. but, surely, we express these aspects of "God" through the current preferences of our fleshy identity.. we allow the ego to make our statement..

Be well..

[chadley]

:icon_cheers: :occasion14: Tzu, I knew we could agree on somethin! lol

[TzuJanLi]

Greetings..

Hi Chadley.. i imagine that we agree on much more than is evident in our banter.. many humble thanks.. <bows>..

Be well...

[chadley]

I expected you to say that, and I agree.

[Adrienne]

Hybrid ~ very interesting post and questions.

Greetings..

.............That is when someone assumes that they were this or that in a past life, when.. in fact, they were everyone in their "past-life".. it is a matter of choice and preference as to which we choose to accept as part of our present experience.. ............. there seems to a contrived romanticism with the personalities we think we were...

so a question for you TzuJanLi ~ If one is everyone in their "past life" OR whoever they choose/want to be in a past life~ does this mean one does not exactly have a recollection in their memory of a past life. It is all just imagination ?

and for you Chadley ~
" If yee, your soul choose to experience this world with that personality, then that is great, but you or he is/was not defined by the personality." so then, we are not who we are ? does anyone really know "who" they are or if one doesn't know who, then how can they know their purpose ?

do my questions make any sense, or am I talking in circles ?

[TzuJanLi]

Greetings..

Hi Dream Angel: When you have the ability to access the Source's all-encompassing memory, it is quite real.. the Source, retains every nuance of every thing in exact detail, we can actually Live the life of another, through the exact memories of that being's experiences.. but, that memory is not "who we are".. we may choose to emulate our current actions consistent with our experience of the memories of someone else.. that is to choose to abdicate our own personal creativity, in order to act out a preference.. Personally, i choose to experience life from a fresh new perspective, unencumbered by the prejudices of past experiences..

Be well..

[chadley]

[I]so then, we are not who we are ? does anyone really know "who" they are or if one doesn't know who, then how can they know their purpose ?

do my questions make any sense, or am I talking in circles ?


these are valid questions, DA. Tzu and I already understand where we are coming from so it makes a lot more sense to us. but, i can see where someone else reading might not have enough information from what we said to "get it". I will try and elaborate. The main point I wanted to make was that we or you, DA, are not defined by your personality when it comes to soul. At soul level, and even at the level of intentionality, personality does not exist. The personality and physical representation you are using/experiencing right now is the vehicle, as Tzu says, by which we experience this world. So, lets say in the last 5 lifetimes you were once a rich man, a poor women, a famous man, a criminal and a scientist over the last 500 years. Well, really, you were none of these people. "They" were all personalities that your soul was using to experience the physical world.

WE are not our body or personality. This is what the spiritual giants of the past and present have always been trying to tell us. In order to discover your true self, in order to see above the illusion of your self and your world, you must recognize that you are soul/god and not body/person/dream angel. I once heard a wise man say that our body's are simply our packages, nothing more. Not only is your soul the present inside, but it is the one who wrapped it.

This is why people fail every time they attempt to create happiness by taking physical or mental action. The trick is to let go of body. You are already a master of your physical senses, which is why most only know how to perceive with these senses only. If you can still your senses, suspend them, you will discover the real you inside. This is why meditation is so valuable. You relax the body, the mind and thought, all the things you use to perceive physical events, by using meditation.

Success only comes when physical and mental action naturally reflect the desire of the soul. This is your purpose, to discover how to live in flesh as the soul lives with god. It is not all or none, rather, the fibers of truth/love/wisdom are slowly woven in your physical reality and as a result your experience in it more and more resembles the expression of soul itself. this is your purpose, to align yourself with your soul so that your actions are automatic reflections of its purity.

So, for example, if you are in a job that does not fulfill you, it might occur to you to send out a dozen resumes for a better one. This may yield some small success, but you would be much better off raising your consciousness to the level of the soul's intention and longing and you will automatically, lots of times unknowingly, start to behave and act in ways that supports the endeavor that truly brings contentment and happiness to you.

Chadley.

[Adrienne]

Thank you Tzu and Chadley for answering my questions and for your explanations, it makes more sense to me now. Guess I just jumped into the middle of your conversation - oh oh !

And yes, Chadley, I could see that you and Tzu were on the same level of communication and understanding - and I am more on the beginning, learning stages, so I appreciate your explaining things on a more basic level of understanding for me and others that might be just starting to have questions.

Thanks so much, both of you ! :smile:

[Milos]

OK guys, here is what *I* don

[hybrid]

Tzu,

i agree with the misperception. the question was asked precisely to highlight this.

If the source then is the one taking human forms of all people, then this is hardly a reincanation but a continous incarnation of this source. it is senseless now to talk about that someone was this one before since it appears that everyone is everyone before. and this everyone is non other than is one source. is this a fair assesment of your answer?

according to you, between the source and the reincarnated person was the pooled memories/energies of past lives. does this mean that instead of who, the question is what incarnates? it seemed to me that personality traits and charateristics are the ones being acquired or accessed by the persons.



chadley,

your answer is it is the soul that reincarnates but you keep reffering to this soul sometimes as yours or mine. is this a language problem or you really think that my soul is a differnt entity as to yours, eventhough our souls took many personalities? what is your view on the nature of this soul?



dream angel,

i though so that this is interesting that's why i posted it here. the internet seemed have all the answers if we can only figure out the right questions. your questions make sense and complimets my op. i just hoped that this discussion will clarify ratherthan confuse the subject or reincarrnation.

chadley was right, it is important to know who you are not and who you really are.



milos,

though i'm not really committed to this belief, i always think that reincarnation is determined by karmic laws and not by free choice.


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[TzuJanLi]

Greetings..

[QUOTE]From Tzu

[tiltjlp]

Personally, I feel that each of us has a unique and individual suol, with it's own reincarnation history and past lives memories. I don't believe it is until we reach fulfillment, or nirvana, that our individual and unique sould are joined as one. I have memories of past lives and they are not random, but very specific, and they are mostly all of writers of some sort. And if the concept that we each create our own reality, then none of us are wrong in our beliefs.

John

[TzuJanLi]

Greetings..

You are correct.. we do create our own realities.. and, as creator(s) you have done well.. you have chosen to identify with authors, to express your individuality.. to live with gusto..

From my perspective (creation), i sense that you favor authors and the craft of language, so it makes sense that, when with the source, you seek and find the experiences of Authors.. that you are comfortable with the illusion of separateness created by the veil of physical existence (so am i).. so that you experience the uniqueness of your local self.. ALL of which exists wholly within Oneness..

Be well...

[hybrid]

Personally, I feel that each of us has a unique and individual suol, with it's own reincarnation history and past lives memories. I don't believe it is until we reach fulfillment, or nirvana, that our individual and unique sould are joined as one. I have memories of past lives and they are not random, but very specific, and they are mostly all of writers of some sort. And if the concept that we each create our own reality, then none of us are wrong in our beliefs.

John

hi john,

i'm always curious about this...

there are billions of unique souls right now whom were supposed to be reincarnation of someone else, but it is also obvious that there were fewer souls in the past. where did all the souls today came from? are souls being created individualy, or multiply on their own or the human soul is jsut one indivisible whole. like an ocean that creates individual waves?


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ps. i'll say some beliefs are useful and some are not. but basically they are all mental construct. a bundle of thoughts in our heads so to speak.

one thing i learned about spiritual freedom is that you don'd bind yourself to your own ideas, concepts and beliefs.


godspeed



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[peteyzen]

look to the animal kingdom for the extra souls now in human form,and recognise that soul development is an evolution , a process of growth

[tiltjlp]

hi john,

i'm always curious about this...

there are billions of unique souls right now whom were supposed to be reincarnation of someone else, but it is also obvious that there were fewer souls in the past. where did all the souls today came from? are souls being created individualy, or multiply on their own or the human soul is jsut one indivisible whole. like an ocean that creates individual waves?


h

ps. i'll say some beliefs are useful and some are not. but basically they are all mental construct. a bundle of thoughts in our heads so to speak.

one thing i learned about spiritual freedom is that you don'd bind yourself to your own ideas, concepts and beliefs.


godspeed



hybrid,

If I had all the answers, I doubt if I'd still be living a human life. I would assume that new souls are being created, or more likely, not every soul reincarnates at the same pace. And yes, I do keep an open mind and consider other peoples ideas, I just don't adopt them as my own, or reject them without giving them a lot of thought. I don't try to convince anyone, only voice my own opinions.

John

[hybrid]

hybrid,

If I had all the answers, I doubt if I'd still be living a human life. I would assume that new souls are being created, or more likely, not every soul reincarnates at the same pace. And yes, I do keep an open mind and consider other peoples ideas, I just don't adopt them as my own, or reject them without giving them a lot of thought. I don't try to convince anyone, only voice my own opinions.

John

me too, i'm not trying to convince anyone. it is enough for me to know that opinion and ideas expressed by me and everyone in general inthis forum are considered by everyone else.

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[hybrid]

look to the animal kingdom for the extra souls now in human form,and recognise that soul development is an evolution , a process of growth

evolution is not about development and growth. evolution is about adapting to it's ennvironment for survival. a crocodile stopped evolving for millions of years because it's present form already achieved its survival in its habitat.

why does the soul needs to evolve. it it tryimg to survive? is it not immortal already? is it not complete and perfect in its nature?

before there were no animals, individual souls does not exist?

just asking questions.....


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