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Honza
31-03-2012, 07:46 PM
This is very strange. Life on earth these days is very profane. It is cold and unspiritual. I AM seems to preoccupy everybodies mind. So why do I think that Yahveh is coming back?

Through the gloom and profanity I suddenly keep getting insights into Gods being. Into His purpose and into His compassion. These insights lead me to believe that ALL is God. The earth and the people are an extension of Gods being. They are His creation.

God seems to imply that everything was as it was meant to be. The coldness was intentional because He was away. He went away so that humanity could say I AM. But the limits of I AM have been reached. Any more and it would be dangerous.

So God is coming back to set the balance right. His intention is to slowly integrate all of us back into His self. Which will take many hundreds of years.

Is this all a dream? Or am I sensing something real? I don't know. But it excites me. I dream of Yahveh and His Kingdom. Christ seems like a puppet compared to Him.

Nothing compares to God! Amen.

Animus27
31-03-2012, 08:29 PM
Coming back from where? I might be mistaken, but I think many Jews see God as always being with man, it's merely man's behavior that separates him from God.

Xan
31-03-2012, 08:56 PM
God "comes back" as we become more aware of God's silent presence, deep within ourselves where it has always been.


Xan

Honza
31-03-2012, 11:55 PM
To me it seems as though God is in exile. He has been driven away by the profanity of the earth.

God is gentle and kind and the earth is cold and hostile. This keeps God away.

But He can be strong. He can diminish the fear. It is all in a muddle in my head, but I keep getting the feeling that He is near....

Xan
01-04-2012, 12:23 AM
Yes... nearer than your own breath.


Xan

Yamah
02-04-2012, 05:20 PM
Honza, you have tapped into a deeper idea than you probably thought you were doing.

In Judaism we have many names for God. Kabbalistically speaking these are all different perceptions of the same Unified Oneness. Practically we can treat the names as separate forces (mitzideinu - from our perspective) even though there is no difference whatsoever (mitzido - from His perspective).

It is written in Kabbalistic texts that when the Jews were exiled a Revach (Rift) was created between the Shechinah (God's imminent presence and one of Her female aspects) and the tetragrammaton (the name you used). The Shechinah remained with us but HaShem became distant and disconnected.

One of the few practical activities that kabbalists engage in is called 'Yichudim' (Unifications), where they attempt to reconsile these two names and speed along the bridging of the rift and the birth of the messianic age.

Nowadays many of the prophecies for the birth of the messianic age, most notably the Jews returning to The Land of Israel, are beginning to be fulfilled... which is coinciding with the elevation of global consciousness.

Amen Selah (Faithfully, to the end of time).

sbjazzman
04-04-2012, 10:05 PM
Honza, you have tapped into a deeper idea than you probably thought you were doing.

In Judaism we have many names for God. Kabbalistically speaking these are all different perceptions of the same Unified Oneness. Practically we can treat the names as separate forces (mitzideinu - from our perspective) even though there is no difference whatsoever (mitzido - from His perspective).

It is written in Kabbalistic texts that when the Jews were exiled a Revach (Rift) was created between the Shechinah (God's imminent presence and one of Her female aspects) and the tetragrammaton (the name you used). The Shechinah remained with us but HaShem became distant and disconnected.

One of the few practical activities that kabbalists engage in is called 'Yichudim' (Unifications), where they attempt to reconsile these two names and speed along the bridging of the rift and the birth of the messianic age.

Nowadays many of the prophecies for the birth of the messianic age, most notably the Jews returning to The Land of Israel, are beginning to be fulfilled... which is coinciding with the elevation of global consciousness.

Amen Selah (Faithfully, to the end of time).

I have to disagree Yamah in only that I think it's the Shekinah that's been in exile and is returning now. She represents all the Goddess energy we're encountering. We've all been under Paternal institutions and religions for the last several thousand years. She represents God's Presence in a spiritual way. She is the latter I AM of I Am that I AM imo.

Xan
05-04-2012, 12:32 AM
As I see it, the only ones in exile have been us.

God is ever present, Shekinah / HolySpirit is always with us.

We are the ones who ran off into external sensory involvement, small fixed identities and too much thinking.

Letting go of those, we find the divine couldn't possibly come and go but is right here where it's always been.


Xan

Honza
05-04-2012, 12:49 AM
As I see it, the only ones in exile have been us.

God is ever present, Shekinah / HolySpirit is always with us.

We are the ones who ran off into external sensory involvement, small fixed identities and too much thinking.

Letting go of those, we find the divine couldn't possibly come and go but is right here where it's always been.


Xan

However much I'd like to believe that is true I get the horrible feeling that it is not that simple.

Xan
05-04-2012, 12:51 AM
Well, Honza, your horrible feeling is wrong... probably from doubt or fear of the unknown. It really is that simple.

Besides, I wouldn't let emotions control me but go ahead and investigate for myself.


Xan

Honza
05-04-2012, 01:03 AM
I do plenty of investigating. Too much probably. Which leads to all manner of grisly discoveries. As well as good ones of course.

Xan
05-04-2012, 01:07 AM
I do plenty of investigating. Too much probably. Which leads to all manner of grisly discoveries. As well as good ones of course.

Honza... I'm not talking about investigating by thinking or reading... but in the quiet open space within yourself.


Xan

Honza
05-04-2012, 09:26 AM
Honza... I'm not talking about investigating by thinking or reading... but in the quiet open space within yourself.
Xan

The quiet space within myself seems soooo far away that it would takes ages for me to reach it. Not only that, I'm not sure if trying to reach it is the best thing to do.

krishna
05-04-2012, 10:05 AM
Honza,
With respect God is indeed back on earth as an Avatar.
In pure light and truth.
Krishna.

Xan
05-04-2012, 11:37 AM
The quiet space within myself seems soooo far away that it would takes ages for me to reach it. Not only that, I'm not sure if trying to reach it is the best thing to do.

Maybe later some time you'll feel more up to it. :smile:


Xan

Honza
05-04-2012, 02:49 PM
Honza,
With respect God is indeed back on earth as an Avatar.
In pure light and truth.
Krishna.

Hello,

That is not what I meant. I did not mean an incarnated God. There are plenty of those. I meant a God who could spiritually warm up the whole reality.

The God who is all of us and who is between all of us. You probably don't believe in such a being....

Xan
05-04-2012, 06:33 PM
Who or what do you think is keeping the whole reality alive and warm now?


Xan

Dreamer_love
06-04-2012, 09:38 PM
Who or what do you think is keeping the whole reality alive and warm now?


Xan
You are adonai,

Bow

larty35
07-04-2012, 07:27 AM
Hello,

That is not what I meant. I did not mean an incarnated God. There are plenty of those. I meant a God who could spiritually warm up the whole reality.

The God who is all of us and who is between all of us. You probably don't believe in such a being....


Hello Honza,

What do you believe those incarnated gods are here to do?

Larty

Yamah
07-04-2012, 05:06 PM
"I have to disagree Yamah in only that I think it's the Shekinah that's been in exile and is returning now. She represents all the Goddess energy we're encountering. We've all been under Paternal institutions and religions for the last several thousand years. She represents God's Presence in a spiritual way. She is the latter I AM of I Am that I AM imo."

Interesting idea. I'm not quoting my own notions and ideas though, I'm quoting volumes and volumes of kabbalistic literature. Also keep in mind that the 'paternal institutions' were all man-made.

"We are the ones who ran off into external sensory involvement, small fixed identities and too much thinking.
Letting go of those, we find the divine couldn't possibly come and go but is right here where it's always been."
Beautiful words Xan, as always.


"The quiet space within myself seems soooo far away that it would takes ages for me to reach it. Not only that, I'm not sure if trying to reach it is the best thing to do."
In a complicated world, the most complicated thing is finding simplicity. Furthermore, we must walk for miles before realizing that everything was right here all along. The realization cannot occur without the journey and simplicity cannot be reached so easily.

Xan
07-04-2012, 05:40 PM
In a complicated world, the most complicated thing is finding simplicity.
Furthermore, we must walk for miles before realizing that everything was right here all along.
The realization cannot occur without the journey and simplicity cannot be reached so easily.


Well said, Yamah.


~ ~

sbjazzman
08-04-2012, 12:27 AM
"I have to disagree Yamah in only that I think it's the Shekinah that's been in exile and is returning now. She represents all the Goddess energy we're encountering. We've all been under Paternal institutions and religions for the last several thousand years. She represents God's Presence in a spiritual way. She is the latter I AM of I Am that I AM imo."

Interesting idea. I'm not quoting my own notions and ideas though, I'm quoting volumes and volumes of kabbalistic literature. Also keep in mind that the 'paternal institutions' were all man-made.

"We are the ones who ran off into external sensory involvement, small fixed identities and too much thinking.
Letting go of those, we find the divine couldn't possibly come and go but is right here where it's always been."
Beautiful words Xan, as always.


"The quiet space within myself seems soooo far away that it would takes ages for me to reach it. Not only that, I'm not sure if trying to reach it is the best thing to do."
In a complicated world, the most complicated thing is finding simplicity. Furthermore, we must walk for miles before realizing that everything was right here all along. The realization cannot occur without the journey and simplicity cannot be reached so easily.

My introduction to Kabbalah came personally from this man at a retreat several years ago called "The Return of the Shekinah" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDj2UH65S68&feature=related

sbjazzman
08-04-2012, 12:34 AM
My introduction to Kabbalah came personally from this man at a retreat several years called "The Return of the Shekinah" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDj2UH65S68&feature=related

More on the Shekinah here http://www.adishakti.org/_/shekinah_the_voice_of_wisdom.htm

""There were different schools of Kabbalah. Some saw the Shekinah as separated from the godhead, in voluntary exile on earth, describing her as a daughter cut off from her mother, and as a widow, until she is able to return to the divine ground, having gathered to herself all the elements or sparks of her light that had been scattered throughout creation during the process of emanation. The blackness of the Shekinah's robe, inherited perhaps from the black robe or veil of Isis (who was also called "The Widow" during her search for Osiris), is the darkness of the mystery that hides the hidden glory of her Light.".....

Xan
08-04-2012, 12:41 AM
I find it impossible to conceive that any expression of the divine is really 'cut off' from any other.

That illusion of separation is exclusive to the human mind, which tends to project its limited notions onto pure dimensions of being where they don't exist.

In rediscovering our own divinity this becomes clear.


Xan

sbjazzman
08-04-2012, 12:52 AM
I find it impossible to conceive that any expression of the divine is really 'cut off' from any other.

That illusion of separation is exclusive to the human mind, which tends to project its limited notions onto pure dimensions of being where they don't exist.

In rediscovering our own divinity this becomes clear.


Xan

We play hide and seek. That's the game we chose.

Xan
08-04-2012, 12:57 AM
Yes, that's so. It's we humans who have been hiding from our true nature, not the divine in any form.


Xan

sbjazzman
08-04-2012, 01:21 AM
Yes, that's so. It's we humans who have been hiding from our true nature, not the divine in any form.


Xan

We are in complete agreement.

Yamah
08-04-2012, 04:18 AM
Ah, here's the confusion...

When you say 'the shekhinah was exiled' remember that the Jewish People were exiled too... the Shekhinah came with us.

sbjazzman
08-04-2012, 06:22 AM
Ah, here's the confusion...

When you say 'the shekhinah was exiled' remember that the Jewish People were exiled too... the Shekhinah came with us.

Yes but it was complicated. http://www.uriel.com/knowledge/articles-presentations/Nash%20articles/EQ010405--Shekinah,%20the%20Indwelling%20Glory%20of%20God.pd f

tone0728
28-09-2012, 06:39 PM
To me it seems as though God is in exile. He has been driven away by the profanity of the earth.

God is gentle and kind and the earth is cold and hostile. This keeps God away.

But He can be strong. He can diminish the fear. It is all in a muddle in my head, but I keep getting the feeling that He is near....

Do you know the qualities you see in God, are also in you? When you say "But He can be strong. He can diminish the fear." Do you not see that you can be strong, you can diminish the fear. Because God is not just near, God is you. You are in a state of seperation. The earth is not cold and hostile, your heart is. That's what keeps God away from your knowing him. You are projecting your fears into the world you see. A godless, cold, hostile world. Try softening your gaze, look at the world with the kind and gentle eyes that you attribute to God, but that are also in you. Then you may see what God sees and peace will come to your heart. Start by letting go of your dominating judgement of others. It is most true that the way we see others is the way we see ourself. Purposefully seek out the good in the world and it will come to you. But if you purposefully see only hostility it will come to you as well. And your mind will forever trouble your heart. Do not let your heart be troubled by your own mind. Best of luck, love you.

psychoslice
28-09-2012, 09:22 PM
It would be great if it was possible for him to come back, then he could fix all the mistakes he made before when he was here lol.

Occultist
29-09-2012, 09:58 PM
He wont return until the Temple is rebuilt. It is not yet..

psychoslice
29-09-2012, 11:32 PM
He wont return until the Temple is rebuilt. It is not yet..
That is just a meterphor, when we build our true inner Being and realize our true Christ Self, this is when the so called God appears, its and inner Awakening, or Enlightenment, it has nothing to do with a future God or Savior coming to rescue us.

Occultist
30-09-2012, 01:21 AM
I was meaning that for the people who follow the prophecy
The Third Temple, or Ezekiel's Temple (Hebrew: בית המקדש השלישי‎: Beit ha Mikdash hashalisi), is the future Jewish Holy Temple architecturally described in the Book of Ezekiel, a house of prayer for all people with a sacrificial service. It is noted by Ezekiel as an eternal edifice and permanent dwelling place of the God of Israel on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. Currently where the dome of the rock is.
I know about Christianity beliefs also Psych but I wasnt in no way meaning a metaphore but i can see where that might get confusing.
But yes I am fully aware of Christian beliefs on the matter and the various beliefs within the Christian religion itself.
But I personally believe if that is the prophecy about there Temple being built then I have to respect that and agree that it has to be built.

Amilius777
02-10-2012, 05:01 PM
I believe in what psycholice is saying but I also believe Christ as a person-Jesus will return. He might reincarnate through the process of birth and such or he may materialize at will. Who knows. He is a Master and knows how to transcend time and space. And on top of it he is God- The Christ. So I don't know what way or mode he is doing it. But I don't believe Jesus is coming back to kill the antichrist and save the physical world. That is just stupid! If there is an antichrist or another Hitler we humans can deal with him and kill him off ourselves before he wreaks the planet. Besides, the level of where Jesus is, he would not come back to kill anyone. This is out of character. But yes psycholice is right. The true Temple is ourselves. Jesus was trying to get his disciples to understand that the Temple they worshiped at was a great vessel and a place to worship God with others but the deeper temple is Man's body and self. And Jesus even predicted that the new temple is Man's own body. The Temple of Jerusalem is destroyed.

I bet once the world has evolved enough to allow the Christ Spirit to enter our being, I think there will be a literal Third Temple in Israel. I think life is synchronization and everything works in a circle. But we shouldn't wait for a physical third Temple to be complete.

I believe the Second Coming is both our attunement to the Christ Spirit, or Holy Ghost- whatever and the return of the personage Jesus Christ as he ushers in a newer and enlightened age. I don't think Jesus is going to return to make a perfect Earth. Such a thing is wrong. Free will and this planet's evolution is up to us. But once in a while God would send a prophet to uplift our energy to the next level. I think Christ's return will be an upliftment to the next level of consciousness, not the perfection of this world. Example- He will come and go and life will go on. People will still celebrate Christmas, people will still fight each other, people will still eat, drink, be merry, divorce, marry, etc but with a high level of consciousness. That is all. And if there is any evil force trying to stop it, we are the ones that can stop it by not allowing it to exist.

Occultist
03-10-2012, 05:57 AM
God of the Bible has asked for many wars blessed his children in wars.
jesus himself wrecked a temple that was selling sacrafices and temple needs.
Samson and Galiath-King David and war-Samson killed
About 3000 at the time of his death, Judges 16:30, 1000 with a jawbone of an donkey, Judges 15:15 ...
God blessed him with this strenth to do so.
War-death-plagues is very much a part of the biblical God and or Jesus.

Scattered Sheep
03-05-2013, 09:21 AM
This is very strange. Life on earth these days is very profane. It is cold and unspiritual. I AM seems to preoccupy everybodies mind. So why do I think that Yahveh is coming back?

Through the gloom and profanity I suddenly keep getting insights into Gods being. Into His purpose and into His compassion. These insights lead me to believe that ALL is God. The earth and the people are an extension of Gods being. They are His creation.

God seems to imply that everything was as it was meant to be. The coldness was intentional because He was away. He went away so that humanity could say I AM. But the limits of I AM have been reached. Any more and it would be dangerous.

So God is coming back to set the balance right. His intention is to slowly integrate all of us back into His self. Which will take many hundreds of years.

Is this all a dream? Or am I sensing something real? I don't know. But it excites me. I dream of Yahveh and His Kingdom. Christ seems like a puppet compared to Him.

Nothing compares to God! Amen.


Hi, you may be more right than you know, times are much darker than many are aware and a great evil is about to profane the Holy of Holies, keep your eye's open, something is about to happen, indeed YHWH is revealing Himself, again...watch...pray....and look up my friend..Shalom.

Scattered Sheep
21-05-2013, 11:32 PM
Here is a good video about YHWH's name http://youtu.be/Im4AsYBjwFk

Honza
18-09-2013, 12:51 AM
This feeling of Yahveh coming back has dissipated and been crushed by heavy I AM stomping around. Putting out Gods life. I cannot seem to have faith and life with God without help and so I am contemplating Christ again.

Yamah
18-09-2013, 03:13 AM
I'm sorry to hear that, Honza. There are many other ways to reach God than through christ. If you'd like I can recommend a few books that may help you out instead.

musliman
20-09-2013, 05:09 AM
God is one and jesus is prophet

Jesus is not god

He was born with no father like UZAIR /EZRA

God sent prophet muhammad peace be upon him to reveal the truth
That he is not god

Jews didn't crusified him but they crusify someone else other than jesus
Whose face turned like jesus as punishment because he was trying to follow
Jesus to catch him and handed him to people
In order to crusify him

Prophet can't be crusified

God say in quran

And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.

http://etabetapi.com/cmp/arvd-web/Matthew/27/

Jews tried to crucify him in order to prove he is not prophet

But he was and his miracle are prove
He gave life to dead person just like many prophets



Jesus talking to god and thanking him

So jesus is no god


John 11:41-44

New International Version (NIV)

41*So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me. 42*I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me.”

43*When he had said this, Jesus called in a loud voice, “Lazarus, come out!” 44*The dead man came out, his hands and feet wrapped with strips of linen, and a cloth around his face.

Jesus said to them, “Take off the grave clothes and let him go.”

You all have to read bible and what mentioned inside it
Instead of depending on people speech

Jesus say :

Matthew 23:9 ►
Parallel Verses
New International Version
And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.


Elisha bring people life just like jesus
So we conclude jesus is prophet


2 Kings 4:32-36
King James Version (KJV)
32*And when Elisha was come into the house, behold, the child was dead, and laid upon his bed.

33*He went in therefore, and shut the door upon them twain, and prayed unto the Lord.

34*And he went up, and lay upon the child, and put his mouth upon his mouth, and his eyes upon his eyes, and his hands upon his hands: and stretched himself upon the child; and the flesh of the child waxed warm.

35*Then he returned, and walked in the house to and fro; and went up, and stretched himself upon him: and the child sneezed seven times, and the child opened his eyes.

36*And he called Gehazi, and said, Call this Shunammite. So he called her. And when she was come in unto him, he said, Take up thy son.

RabbiO
20-09-2013, 01:32 PM
Jews didn't crusified him but they crusify someone else other than jesus
Whose face turned like jesus as punishment because he was trying to follow
Jesus to catch him and handed him to people
In order to crusify him

Prophet can't be crusified

God say in quran

And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.

http://etabetapi.com/cmp/arvd-web/Matthew/27/ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fetabetapi.com%2Fcmp%2F arvd-web%2FMatthew%2F27%2F)

Jews tried to crucify him in order to prove he is not prophet, come out! 44*The dead man came out, his hands and feet wrapped with strips of linen, and a cloth around his face.

This may come as shock to you, but not only did the Jews not crucify Jesus.......
They did not crucify anyone!

My Christian friends can argue with you over who was crucified. Personally, I would say it was Jesus, but for the sake of this response it does not matter, because whoever it was who was crucified was crucified by the Romans.

B'shalom,

Peter

Time
20-09-2013, 01:37 PM
This is very strange. Life on earth these days is very profane. It is cold and unspiritual. I AM seems to preoccupy everybodies mind. So why do I think that Yahveh is coming back?

Through the gloom and profanity I suddenly keep getting insights into Gods being. Into His purpose and into His compassion. These insights lead me to believe that ALL is God. The earth and the people are an extension of Gods being. They are His creation.

God seems to imply that everything was as it was meant to be. The coldness was intentional because He was away. He went away so that humanity could say I AM. But the limits of I AM have been reached. Any more and it would be dangerous.

So God is coming back to set the balance right. His intention is to slowly integrate all of us back into His self. Which will take many hundreds of years.

Is this all a dream? Or am I sensing something real? I don't know. But it excites me. I dream of Yahveh and His Kingdom. Christ seems like a puppet compared to Him.

Nothing compares to God! Amen.


Honza if youre interested in judeism maybe you should pick up a copy of the talmuld or torah... You are confusing christian sects and judeism (while one one born from the other, that doesnt mean you can interchange them as such as you have....)

Christ technically has nothing to do with judeism..... Even then, technically judeism is freedom for the jewish peoples.... not a universal beleif...

Morpheus
26-09-2013, 07:45 AM
No Honza is right. And what you posted, Time, is merely a perspective.

Christ, the Messiah has everything to do with everything. Including Judaism. He was born thereof, also... as was long prophesied that He would be, through the many ages of the Old Testament.
Though, the bulk of believing Jews today believe the Messiah is coming for the first time, to the world.
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This may come as shock to you, but not only did the Jews not crucify Jesus.......
They did not crucify anyone!

My Christian friends can argue with you over who was crucified. Personally, I would say it was Jesus, but for the sake of this response it does not matter, because whoever it was who was crucified was crucified by the Romans.

B'shalom,

Peter

Yes technically, it was the the presiding Roman Gov't ... even while we read how Governor Pilate wanted to release Him.
But it was all planned and a known, apart from time. Thank God for His mercies, and His Grace.

But most realize that aside from the recognition of being the children of Abraham, the Jews are no different than anyone else, and the illustration in the Bible is not merely about the Jews, but about Human Nature, and reflective all mankind in the world.

I'm Jewish on my Mother's side, btw.

Time
26-09-2013, 02:51 PM
It is not "persepective" morpheus, it is proper context.

Morpheus
07-10-2013, 10:07 AM
Time, share that with the Messianic Jewish believers. They are an example of how, yes, Judaism is interchanged with "Christianity".
Though, I can see how you may want to classify them in another, "context".

matter
01-08-2014, 08:56 PM
He let Paul of Tarsus create a false religion.
Let Roman catholic become a religion and compilate a bunch of unimportant manuscripts to be put together with his sacred already fulfilled prophecies.

I'm preoccupied of two things.
First: He never cared about non Jews.
Second: he has already abandoned the entire humanity at It's own judgment.

Morpheus
06-08-2014, 10:52 PM
Matter, if you can, indicate of whom you are speaking. Paul never cared about non Jews? Or, God hasn't?

Also, please feel free to cite the verses and statements that validate your post.

Otherwise your post is merely personal opinion, and wholly subjective on your part. As well as extremist.

Welcome to the Forum, btw.

Morpheus
06-08-2014, 11:03 PM
This may come as shock to you, but not only did the Jews not crucify Jesus.......
They did not crucify anyone!

My Christian friends can argue with you over who was crucified. Personally, I would say it was Jesus, but for the sake of this response it does not matter, because whoever it was who was crucified was crucified by the Romans.

B'shalom,

Peter

Musliman of course does not recognize the Judaic/Christian scriptures. He posts as one on the outside looking in.

No, the Jewish leaders of the time period did not crucify anyone, but, because of their worldly agenda and involving human nature, they conspired against Him, and sent Him to the Romans.
What is borne out however is that the Jewish leaders represent humanity as a whole, regarding human nature. We are all in the same boat regarding this.

Now citings of Old Testament prophetic verses can be posted, involving the nature of the Messiah, and, is purpose and atoning work which would be accomplished.
Re: "The Suffering Servant".

It was all incorporated by God in His plan for salvation, involving His love toward His creation. Humanity.
This is what the ordination of all the subtitute atonement rituals pointed to. Which same came through Moses, as well as the Law being dispensed through him.

Now, regarding musliman's claim that a prophet cannot be crucified or killed, that is subjective fallacy on his part.

There is history, you see. Jesus, (Yeshua), had cited a history of Judaism... where, in their folly, the leaders in the past had persecuted certain prophets, and executed them.

In the New Testament also, we can read of how all of the disciples of Christ followed suit, who were martyred for thier faith. A situation which continued until the mandates of emporer Constantine which made Christianity a state Religion.
But nevertheless, is a situation which still continued, even being implemented by that ordained Religion, concerning those saints who endeavored to bring the Word of God out from the basements of the "Catholic Church" so called.

Which efforts to keep the word preserved in Latin, failed, and allowed every individual in the public domain to read God's word for themselves; being translated into English, and also every other language as well.

This situation involving Ego in human nature continues also today, still.
Whereby people of Faith are persecuted and executed, at times, by mobs in the third world Eastern countries, and individuals both, and largely involving the Moslem religion and mindset, by the adherents thereof.
But there are many peacful Muslims also, who are not so egoically motivated, but hold to a mindset of Love and Peace, translated from the Quran. Who are not egoic or among the extremists. Who love both God, and people.

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So, again... we see the fallen nature of humanity as a whole, evident in these things, and not merely to be attributed to one or another, sect or culture.
The failings of humanity are evident in the human sphere, as a whole, in the world. The imperfection thereof.

Wherein... we can see how the situation of substitutional atonement, ordained by God, is needed, appropriate, and wholly indicative of God's love and mercy towards humanity. With the intent of redemption and reconcilliation of an imperfect Humanity, with God, Who is Perfect. The atoning sacrifice being the subject and target of God's rightful judgement.

This is the reason also, why God in the Old Testament, is called "Savior", and "Redeemer", as by the Psalmists of old.

This below verse is usually percieved wholly as a New Testament concept, thought and teaching. But... as with many other verses in the New Testament, it is founded on Old Testament text. From Isaiah, who also was martyred for his faithfulness, loyalty, and dedication to God Almighty.

"We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all."
Isaiah 53:6

"and with his stripes we are healed."

Jameyson72
20-08-2014, 06:02 PM
This is very strange. Life on earth these days is very profane. It is cold and unspiritual. I AM seems to preoccupy everybodies mind. So why do I think that Yahveh is coming back?

Through the gloom and profanity I suddenly keep getting insights into Gods being. Into His purpose and into His compassion. These insights lead me to believe that ALL is God. The earth and the people are an extension of Gods being. They are His creation.

God seems to imply that everything was as it was meant to be. The coldness was intentional because He was away. He went away so that humanity could say I AM. But the limits of I AM have been reached. Any more and it would be dangerous.

So God is coming back to set the balance right. His intention is to slowly integrate all of us back into His self. Which will take many hundreds of years.

Is this all a dream? Or am I sensing something real? I don't know. But it excites me. I dream of Yahveh and His Kingdom. Christ seems like a puppet compared to Him.

Nothing compares to God! Amen.

Call me a purist, but it irritates me to see religious beliefs mixed and this post would be much more appropriate in the General Religion category.

For clarification, Orthodox and more strict sects within Judaism do not spell out the word "G_d" and none of the Jewish sects refer to G_d by name. The belief in G_d literally returning to earth is foreign to Judaism and Jews would never refer to Jesus as "Christ".

RabbiO
20-08-2014, 09:38 PM
Call me a purist, but it irritates me to see religious beliefs mixed and this post would be much more appropriate in the General Religion category.

For clarification, Orthodox and more strict sects within Judaism do not spell out the word "G_d" and none of the Jewish sects refer to G_d by name. The belief in G_d literally returning to earth is foreign to Judaism and Jews would never refer to Jesus as "Christ".

When Rabbi Joseph Soloveitchik would start to teach a new group of students he would begin by writing God on a blackboard and then he would erase it. He would do this to make a point.

Because writing G-d instead of God has become minhag even amongst many non-Orthodox Jews, I choose to follow that convention, but I assume you understand the point that Rabbi Soloveitchik was making.

L'shalom,

Peter

Jameyson72
20-08-2014, 10:55 PM
When Rabbi Joseph Soloveitchik would start to teach a new group of students he would begin by writing God on a blackboard and then he would erase it. He would do this to make a point.

Because writing G-d instead of God has become minhag even amongst many non-Orthodox Jews, I choose to follow that convention, but I assume you understand the point that Rabbi Soloveitchik was making.

L'shalom,

Peter
Yes I understand your point and of course you are right.

Honza
22-08-2014, 08:46 PM
Call me a purist, but it irritates me to see religious beliefs mixed and this post would be much more appropriate in the General Religion category.

For clarification, Orthodox and more strict sects within Judaism do not spell out the word "G_d" and none of the Jewish sects refer to G_d by name. The belief in G_d literally returning to earth is foreign to Judaism and Jews would never refer to Jesus as "Christ".

That does seem a bit extreme for a general spiritual discussion forum......can't we relax a bit?

Jameyson72
24-08-2014, 05:27 PM
That does seem a bit extreme for a general spiritual discussion forum......can't we relax a bit?
My apologies.

Morpheus
24-08-2014, 05:43 PM
I understand that Jews and believers want to be respectful. However, isn't G-d a label, and a description of Who YVWH is? In which name the vowels are purposefully left out?

Which label is a description of Who YVWH is, regarding being the Almighty?

BigJohn
18-09-2018, 03:59 AM
YHWH got introduced first in Genesis 2:4 which is the beginning of the second creation account.

The God mentioned in the first creation account (Genesis 1:1 to Genesis 2:3) is transliterated in Hebrew as Elohim.

In Exodus 3:14 the God mentioned as the "I am that I am" is transliterated in Hebrew also as Elohim.

Ahriman
07-10-2018, 12:34 PM
The thought of Yahweh coming back............terrifying.

Still_Waters
19-10-2018, 04:20 PM
When Rabbi Joseph Soloveitchik would start to teach a new group of students he would begin by writing God on a blackboard and then he would erase it. He would do this to make a point.

Because writing G-d instead of God has become minhag even amongst many non-Orthodox Jews, I choose to follow that convention, but I assume you understand the point that Rabbi Soloveitchik was making.

L'shalom,

Peter

Verily, "God" cannot be described in words, so the erased blackboard is quite appropriate. No words.

However, I'm not sure if that's the point you were making. :smile:

little.nation
01-05-2019, 06:00 PM
Hi, you may be more right than you know, times are much darker than many are aware and a great evil is about to profane the Holy of Holies, keep your eye's open, something is about to happen, indeed YHWH is revealing Himself, again...watch...pray....and look up my friend..Shalom.
Oiye!!

If you only knew. That's why I'm here - to tell everyone the truth!

Oh, I've been telling all the truths there are for soooo many years but people keep treating me as if I don't exist. That right there is profane! Such a complete disregard and dismissal. But, I suppose this is the way it's always been and this is why God addresses it when it is said, doing unto the least of people is doing unto him.

So when we treat people insignificantly, like they don't matter, we're treating God that way. Hey, OUCH!

But when we treat the least people with respect, we are serving God well.

It's a wicked harsh world and so full of woe. Hasn't it always been though? Now it's so much darker. Things have been steadily getting worse.

I reveal myself constantly but people don't see. They think I don't matter. They think I'm not real.

Profaned?

Catastrophically. Vulgarly. Unforgiveably.

And the return is to judge, not to save. And the return is to destroy. We are headed for a great big fire.

little.nation
01-05-2019, 06:07 PM
He let Paul of Tarsus create a false religion.
Let Roman catholic become a religion and compilate a bunch of unimportant manuscripts to be put together with his sacred already fulfilled prophecies.

I'm preoccupied of two things.
First: He never cared about non Jews.
Second: he has already abandoned the entire humanity at It's own judgment.

The Catholic church is built on the rock, which is Saint Peter (an apostle, disciple, saint, whatever). That's why the Catholics represent Jesus and *the saints* - they are the rock (the foundation of the church, although it is centered on Christ).

Honza
15-06-2019, 08:56 AM
The last few weeks have been spiritually bonkers. I'm sure that Yahweh is stirring....people all around me have looked fuller and more whole than before. A strange spirituality fills the air. It's exciting!

sky123
15-06-2019, 09:43 AM
The last few weeks have been spiritually bonkers. I'm sure that Yahweh is stirring....people all around me have looked fuller and more whole than before. A strange spirituality fills the air. It's exciting!


Coming back from where Honza?

SlayerOfLight
15-06-2019, 09:50 AM
What does it mean to integrate back into his self? Are we forced to, or do we have a choice to go our own way?

sky123
15-06-2019, 02:32 PM
What does it mean to integrate back into his self? Are we forced to, or do we have a choice to go our own way?



Do you know Slayer where's he coming back from?

SlayerOfLight
15-06-2019, 03:27 PM
Do you know Slayer where's he coming back from?

Depends who you're asking. New Age people say god is already here and within us, but fundamentalists say he'll come down from heaven in a huge flying box called New Jerusalem.

sky123
15-06-2019, 03:32 PM
Depends who you're asking. New Age people say god is already here and within us, but fundamentalists say he'll come down from heaven in a huge flying box called New Jerusalem.



But Jesus said the Kingdom of Heaven is within :icon_eek:

SlayerOfLight
15-06-2019, 05:03 PM
But Jesus said the Kingdom of Heaven is within :icon_eek:

Is this true?

sky123
16-06-2019, 08:19 AM
Is this true?



So they say :smile:
It would depend on the individuals beliefs. I personally believe heaven is a state of mind so for me it is within....

Honza
19-06-2019, 08:37 AM
Coming back from where Honza?

Well, many people feel there is no God "outside" of us. I feel that Yahweh used to inhabit the outer reality, but it became too spiritually cold for Him. In many ways I feel that all "outer" Gods have been banished by the spiritual coldness.

sky123
19-06-2019, 11:30 AM
Well, many people feel there is no God "outside" of us. I feel that Yahweh used to inhabit the outer reality, but it became too spiritually cold for Him. In many ways I feel that all "outer" Gods have been banished by the spiritual coldness.



If that's how you feel then so be it :smile: