The nature of love ...

[sound]

Lets try again ... a thread for expressions of love ...

Maybe through an image or a verse or a story or a quote ...

Maybe you want to ask a question about love ...

Maybe you want to express in words what love is for you ...


http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u138/simplykate_2007/374769_311556615533639_205847359437899_1065294_131 6909981_n-1.jpg

[sound]

Here ya go (again) Curt ... 'specially for you :)

There's a reason for the sunshinin' sky
And there's a reason why I'm feelin so high
Must be the season when that love light shines
All around us.

So let that feelin grab you deep inside
And send you reelin where your love can't hide
And then go stealin' through the moonlit nights
With your lover.

Just let your love flow like a mountain stream
And let your love grow with the smallest of dreams
And let your love show and you'll know what I mean
It's the season.

Letyour love fly like a bird on wing
And let your love bind you to all livin things
And let your love shine and you'll know what I mean
That's the reason.

There's a reason for the warm sweet nights
And there's a reason for the candlelights
Must be the season when those love lights shine
All around us.

So let that wonder take into space
And lay you under its loving embrace
Just feel the thunder as it warms your face
You can't hold back.

Just let your love flow like a mountain stream
And let your love grow with the smallest of dreams
And let your love show and you'll know what I mean
It's the season.

Let your love fly like a bird on wing
And let your love bind you to all livin things
And let your love shine and you'll know what I mean
That's the reason...

~Bellamy Brothers~

[sound]

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u138/simplykate_2007/smileandthewholeworldsmileswithyoubyZanastardustat flickr.jpg

[sound]

Love is for sharing ... as is revealed through caring :hug3:

[sound]

People say animals dont feel love but i don't know so much ... they may not think in terms of love but how do we know that they dont experience life-sustaining love ... and not only for their own 'kind' ...

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u138/simplykate_2007/399407_313221108700523_205847359437899_1070955_611 785616_n-1.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u138/simplykate_2007/386725_308754602480507_205847359437899_1058965_155 4877138_n-1.jpg

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u138/simplykate_2007/378932_329968847025749_205847359437899_1124431_520 976913_n-1.jpg

[Silver]

Okay! I love the chickens and the little girl. So cute.

And I love that song...was trying to place the melody as I read the words and ~ kaching! I remembered how wonderfully that song flowed! Ty sound~*

[BlueSky]

I think we need love and I am glad we do..............the pictures are really fantastic and for me they invoke the feeling of the thread............blessings.

[7luminaries]

Here's a contribution --- to a wonderful thread :hug3:
with love :hug:
7L



Soneto XVII -- Pablo Neruda

No te amo como si fueras rosa de sal, topacio
o flecha de claveles que propagan el fuego:
te amo como se aman ciertas cosas oscuras,
secretamente, entre la sombra y el alma.
Te amo como la planta que no florece y lleva
dentro de sí, escondida, la luz de aquellas flores,
y gracias a tu amor vive oscuro en mi cuerpo
el apretado aroma que ascendió de la tierra.
Te amo sin saber cómo, ni cuándo, ni de dónde,
te amo directamente sin problemas ni orgullo:
así te amo porque no sé amar de otra manera,
sino así de este modo en que no soy ni eres,
tan cerca que tu mano sobre mi pecho es mía,
tan cerca que se cierran tus ojos con mi sueño.


Sonnet XVII -- Pablo Neruda

I do not love you as if you were salt-rose, or topaz,
or the arrow of carnations the fire shoots off.
I love you as certain dark things are to be loved,
in secret, between the shadow and the soul.
I love you as the plant that never blooms
but carries in itself the light of hidden flowers;
thanks to your love a certain solid fragrance,
risen from the earth, lives darkly in my body.
I love you without knowing how, or when, or from where.
I love you straightforwardly, without complexities or pride;
so I love you because I know no other way in which there is no I or you
so close that your hand upon my chest is my hand
so intimate that your eyes close when I sleep.

[Silver]

I remember Robin Williams as Patch Adams, reading that to his love in that movie. He did it so nicely, a silly man, reading such a deep love poem.

[7luminaries]

WOW it was in a movie? coooooollllll.....
;)

[Gem]

Lets try again ... a thread for expressions of love ...

Maybe through an image or a verse or a story or a quote ...

Maybe you want to ask a question about love ...

Maybe you want to express in words what love is for you ...



I don't really think of it very often, unless I come to SF where it's 'the theme', and I am subject to a lot of stuff here which unsettles me, because love isn't an issue to push forward, impose on someone, or to invoke the haves and have nots over.

Look at past threads on love, admittedy heart warming images appeal to the sentiment, and I appreciate that as much as anyone, but have you noticed that enlightenment threads and love threads generally become a rabble?

Of course if I were to express how love is in the way it works, determimes our behaviour etc... I would surely attract the authorities on it who would quicky tell me 'what I am' and I'd tel them 'where to go'.

The lecture on love isn't invokative of it, there's just aspects of love, and it's something which if you feel it moving you can tell it's there, and that's a subtle thing which preaching Love can not acheive.

[Silver]

Well, I can certainly understand where you're coming from, Gem. I think it's okay for some members to just want a light-hearted type thread where it is intended to be just that. Just like with our Yourspace threads, we are supposed to get it "our way" ~ I even told a newb one time when they started to wrangle with the owner of one of those threads via pm that it wasn't proper understanding of what these one-member threads are intended to be.

So, I'm willing to let things just 'be nice' ~ maybe a disclaimer at the beginning of these types of threads ~ a very visual one and allow those who want to get into the debate of it set aside special threads for that sole purpose. Just a notion...

[Papa Bear]

Hi Sound, one aspect of the nature of human love, is touching;

What happens when a caress relieves someone’s stress, when a simple touch means so much that a connection becomes a reflection. When sympathy maybe empathy or just an expression of caring unfolds into sharing, like a flower opening into the sunshine for the first time, letting go a defence to accept a sense of the sublime. What power do we share that can help us bear the unbearable, cope on the most slippery slope, carry on outside when inside stops feeling. Just two, hands clasped, makes falling feel like being grasped, or relief from an emotional thirst before you burst, as an arm around a shoulder, can ease the weight of a boulder, bearing down on a heart, or blocking out where to start.

All lovers find the course, which leads to human sharing at source, beginning in separation, drawn together by expectation, learning to share, because they care, even when emotions are bare. In the essence of touch they learn so much, outgrowing what they expect, being simply content to reflect, the feelings beyond human separation, as loves elation becomes a new revelation. As every parent and child, creates a life filled with pats and rubs, cuddles and snuggles, ever so mild but beautifully styled, while ever so gentle endless connection that is essential, shapes their affection that grows into a Families reflection.

As friends or neighbours, workmates or strangers we either relate or from each other escape, as the reason for touching starts to feel like clutching, when expectation creates separation. Then social translation turns touch into force, creating a new course, in competition winners are strong, while the list of losers grows long. The birth of aggression becomes an obsession, destroying an instinct that heals, by expressing touch that steals. In mind and heart with choice we start, to share a life together or apart, the challenges of life makes many stumble, some struggle and tumble, so without the care of those who are humble, we all just crumble.

It’s the feeling expressed through every caress, in simple and complex ways, that shows us a natural medium, which breaks through separation, loneliness and its tedium, creating a sense that can remove any fence be it pain or strain, in the heart or the brain. Allowing us to feel something shared and real, that can lift us to the heights of love, or help us heal. This is touch revealed unless we keep it sealed, in solitary blindness because we know not kindness, as many do, who know but a few. But even they are still filled with a wish, for something they miss, waiting for me or you to bring them the bliss of a simple kiss. We have the power to knock down a made tower, and bring the sunshine to a hidden flower, we call it touching.

[Gracey]

http://www.animalpicturegallery.net/animal-picture-flamingo-Kjunstorm.jpg

[Silver]

http://trendsupdates.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/pregnant-woman-with-son1.jpg

[Humm]

HAVE YOU EVER BEEN LOVED?

~ By Rob Brezsny ~

Have you ever been loved? I bet you have been loved so much and so
deeply that you have become blase about the enormity of the grace it
confers.

So let me remind you: To be loved is a privilege and prize equivalent to
being born. If you're smart, you pause regularly to bask in the astonishing
knowledge that there are many people out there who care for you and
want you to thrive and hold you in their thoughts with fondness.

Animals, too: You have been the recipient of their boundless affection.
The spirits of allies who've left this world continue to send their tender
regards, as well.

Do you "believe" in angels and other divine beings? Whether or not you
do, I can assure you that there are hordes of them beaming their uncanny
consecrations your way. You are awash in torrents of love.

As tremendous a gift it is to get love, giving love is an equal boon. Many
scientific studies demonstrate that whenever you bestow blessings on
other people, you bless yourself. Expressing practical compassion not only
strengthens your immune system and bolsters your health, but also
promotes self-esteem, enhances longevity, and stimulates tranquility and
even euphoria.

As the scientists say, we humans are hardwired to benefit from altruism.
(To read more about the subject, go here: http://dujs.dartmouth.edu/spring-2009/is-altruism-good-for-the-altruistic-giver.)

What's your position on making love? Do you regard it as one of the nicer
fringe benefits of being alive? Or are you more inclined to see it as a
central proof of the primal magnanimity of the universe? I'm more aligned
with the latter view.

Imagine yourself in the fluidic blaze of that intimate spectacle right now.
Savor the fantasy of entwining bodies and hearts and minds with an
appealing partner who has the power to enchant you. What better way do
you know of to dwell in sacred space while immersed in your body's
delight? To commune with the Divine Wow while having fun? To tap into
your own deeper knowing while at the same time gazing into the
mysterious light of a fellow creature?

+

Excerpted from his book *PRONOIA IS THE ANTIDOTE FOR PARANOIA*

[Xan]

Sound gave us the Bellamy Brothers again...

Must be the season when that love light shines
All around us.


If you want to have a listen... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBSr-...feature=fvwrel (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .youtube.com%252Fwatch%253Fv%253DcBSr-W43T4Y%2526amp%253Bfeature%253Dfvwrel)


Xan

[silent whisper]

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh312/schelpje67/Blog%202012/love-yourself.jpg

[3dnow]

To me love is:

[insert anything here] it happens it is normal.. unconditionally.

For this:
1. I first need to see the reality as it is
2. Then forgive: It happens, it happens to me too.

EDIT: This kind of love has nothing to do with the expression on your face. You can be very much loving with an ugly face.:cool:

3d

[sound]

Love is a biological as well as a spiritual characteristic.
Basically, love and creativity are synonymous.
Love exists without an object.
It is the impetus by which
all being becomes manifest.

~Seth-Jane Roberts~

[sound]

There is known a song so sweet and so pure
It sings’ of an energy that will always endure
Its chorus is steady, reflection the score
The music of life with its spiritual lore

Its tone is of beings expressing delight
Through prisms of colour which sound as they might
Hearing its spirit in every scale
Lilting with pleasure as freedom sets sail

Its melody weaves like a needle and thread
Each note with its value may lead and be led
Entrusting emotion as softly it plays
Touching so deeply in so many ways

Its harmony offers the truth that all share
Learning, the bridge, with a chord, oh so rare
Octaves of lifetimes each verse of tomorrow
The sound of each voice, in its joy and its sorrow

Its rhythm the heart beat of what it perceives
The true inner self in each semibreve
Timing the seasons which inspire it to grow
Tempo of being is the tune it will know.

~sound~

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u138/simplykate_2007/history_music_nature_woman_art_piper-d67dadab8666ba24c4a4c7d59684646a_h.jpg

[Silver]

Ooooh, sound, you wrote that!

[sound]

Hey SG ... I did ... I lost my poetry when my computer crashed, but I remembered i put a few of them in the freedom thread :)

[silent whisper]

There is known a song so sweet and so pure
It sings’ of an energy that will always endure
Its chorus is steady, reflection the score
The music of life with its spiritual lore

Its tone is of beings expressing delight
Through prisms of colour which sound as they might
Hearing its spirit in every scale
Lilting with pleasure as freedom sets sail

Its melody weaves like a needle and thread
Each note with its value may lead and be led
Entrusting emotion as softly it plays
Touching so deeply in so many ways

Its harmony offers the truth that all share
Learning, the bridge, with a chord, oh so rare
Octaves of lifetimes each verse of tomorrow
The sound of each voice, in its joy and its sorrow

Its rhythm the heart beat of what it perceives
The true inner self in each semibreve
Timing the seasons which inspire it to grow
Tempo of being is the tune it will know.

~sound~

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u138/simplykate_2007/history_music_nature_woman_art_piper-d67dadab8666ba24c4a4c7d59684646a_h.jpg






Its very lovely sound..

[sound]

Thanks SW :hug3:


This is sweet ...

“Love is what makes you smile when you’re tired.
~Terri – age 4~

[silent whisper]

Thanks SW :hug3:


This is sweet ...

“Love is what makes you smile when you’re tired.
~Terri – age 4~


I smiled I must be tired...:)


ok love is...

I am in a silly mood ..this is my take right in this moment..lol!!!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNTyePMEKJs&feature=related I need a disco emot...:)


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y241/shadow_asylum/Glitters/disco.gif

[sound]

I cant make out what your avatar pic is SW ... it looks like rows of lavender maybe, with a tree in the middle? But when i look at it from another perspective the tree looks like a green monster lol ...

[silent whisper]

I cant make out what your avatar pic is SW ... it looks like rows of lavender maybe, with a tree in the middle? But when i look at it from another perspective the tree looks like a green monster lol ...

Oh I love it...its perfect...a tree monster...that I can be...lol!!!

Thanks for the laugh sound...

[silent whisper]

Lavender farm and tree...I imagine it would be a delight to walk through...for you sound..no monsters lurking...lol!!

[http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/ab360/mikmoken/Lavender_Farm_and_Tree.jpg

[sound]

Haha ... well there ya go ... that is quite remarkable isnt it ... I wonder why they left just one tree? Although it looks like there may be a row in the background too ... it would be amazing to walk through ... gorgeous colour!

[Gem]

Haha ... well there ya go ... that is quite remarkable isnt it ... I wonder why they left just one tree? Although it looks like there may be a row in the background too ... it would be amazing to walk through ... gorgeous colour!

It kinda has that photoshop look to it to me.

[sound]

Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love.
There's nothing you can do that can't be done.
Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.
Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game
It's easy.
There's nothing you can make that can't be made.
No one you can save that can't be saved.
Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be you
in time - It's easy.

All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
Love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love, love.
All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
There's nothing you can know that isn't known.
Nothing you can see that isn't shown.
Nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be.
It's easy.
All you need is love, all you need is love,
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.
All you need is love (all together now)
All you need is love (everybody)
All you need is love, love, love is all you need.

~The Beatles~

[sound]

Theres a shadow though ... although that could be fake too i suppose .. oh well ... remarkable photo-shopping lol

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

There is known a song so sweet and so pure
It sings’ of an energy that will always endure
Its chorus is steady, reflection the score
The music of life with its spiritual lore

Its tone is of beings expressing delight
Through prisms of colour which sound as they might
Hearing its spirit in every scale
Lilting with pleasure as freedom sets sail

Its melody weaves like a needle and thread
Each note with its value may lead and be led
Entrusting emotion as softly it plays
Touching so deeply in so many ways

Its harmony offers the truth that all share
Learning, the bridge, with a chord, oh so rare
Octaves of lifetimes each verse of tomorrow
The sound of each voice, in its joy and its sorrow

Its rhythm the heart beat of what it perceives
The true inner self in each semibreve
Timing the seasons which inspire it to grow
Tempo of being is the tune it will know.

~sound~

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u138/simplykate_2007/history_music_nature_woman_art_piper-d67dadab8666ba24c4a4c7d59684646a_h.jpg





heheh.... I thought of starting a thread wondering about other folks to whom music means as much to them as it does to me ....maybe I will sometime. you've got a pre-invitation :cool:

DS

[sound]

oh thanks Dar :) ... there can never be too many threads dedicated to music ... :hug3: I'll look out for it ...

[Squatchit]

Something I painted a few years ago...


http://i322.photobucket.com/albums/nn406/Squatchit/LoveisaMany.jpg
Love is a Many Splendid Thing

[silent whisper]

Love is a many splendid painting Squatchit..:)


http://i515.photobucket.com/albums/t352/forest_maenad/The_Nature_of_Love_by_P0RG.jpg

[silent whisper]

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh72/vanchella/1web.jpg

[Mountain-Goat]

Carpark Entrance

Over the mountains and the sea, Your river runs with love for me,
and I will open up my heart and let the Healer set me free.
I'm happy to be in the truth, and I will daily lift my hands:
for I will always sing of when Your love came down.
I could sing of Your love forever,
I could sing of Your love forever,
I could sing of Your love forever,
I could sing of Your love forever.
Oh, I feel like dancing - it's foolishness I know;
but, when the world has seen the light,
they will dance with joy, like we're dancing now.
--------------------

Carpark Exit

Your love came down like a coconut from the sky.
Through the mountains and under the sea,
Your liver struggles in those environments,
and I will perform open heart surgery
on the rich for a large fee.
I'm happy to be a coconut sitting in a tree,
and I will daily try to drop onto the land:
for then I will sing of when I did fly.
Your love came down like a coconut from the sky.
I could sing of flying coconuts forever,
I could sing of flying coconuts forever,
I could sing of flying coconuts forever,
I could sing of flying coconuts forever.
Oh, if I had feet for dancing -
it's foolishness I know;
but, when the world has seen a dancing coconut,
they will attack with furious anger,
but I will dance on their heads,
and there will be the squishing of the brains
and the "ow ow" and the "hey hey",
and the blood will reign o’er the sand.

[sound]

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u138/simplykate_2007/ToughLove.jpg

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

this always works for me
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p219/sheltech/The%20Animals/Swimming025.jpg

[CSEe]

Just sharing . To me love same as desire,emotions , greed , ego etc is pollutant that I must be free of , like all my attachment love is suffering .

Love is at time very nice , at certain painful same as others emotions so whats the different ?

Is all the same....all in "myself" .

Thks
CSEe

[sound]

Nous sourions tous dans la même langue

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u138/simplykate_2007/gratitude6.jpg


(We all smile in the same language)

[sound]

The best way to pay for a loving moment is to enjoy it.

~Richard Bach~

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

There's love , lots of kinds of love. Love between people , people and their activities and surroundings and plants and animals and ideas. There's a more universal love that just seems to be , that's there for the loving , the giving and taking. There's the love that people equate with God , or the glue that holds everything in every dimension together , which caused it to come into being and upholds it . There's an energy way beyond any idea or feeling the body/mind can percieve , an infinity of energy that explodes in an infinite cosmic orgasm , that we might want to call by a name, and that name might be 'love' .

[Squatchit]

The Divine Comedy - Perfect Lovesong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=674PtHca8Kg

:icon_flower:

[norseman]

LOVE - Kahlil Gibran [The Forerunner]

They say the jackal and the mole
Drink from the selfsame stream
Where the lion comes to drink.

And they say the eagle and the vulture
Dig their beaks into the same carcass,
And are at peace, one with the other,
In the presence of the dead thing.

O love, whose lordly hand
Has bridled my desires,
And raised my hunger and my thirst
To dignity and pride,
Let not the strong in me and the constant
Eat the bread or drink the wine
That tempt my weaker self.
Let me rather starve,
And let my heart parch with thirst,
And let me die and perish,
Ere I stretch my hand
To a cup you did not fill,
Or a bowl you did not bless.

[Silver]

That picture of yours, Dar, is very uplifting to me this morning.

So adorably cute they are!
:hug3:

[Silver]

Something I painted a few years ago...


http://i322.photobucket.com/albums/nn406/Squatchit/LoveisaMany.jpg
Love is a Many Splendid Thing


That's one of the most charming pieces of art I've ever seen..
I love it!

[Curt]

It's wonderful to just bask in the glowingness of something good and right.

[7luminaries]

LOVE - Kahlil Gibran [The Forerunner]

They say the jackal and the mole
Drink from the selfsame stream
Where the lion comes to drink.

And they say the eagle and the vulture
Dig their beaks into the same carcass,
And are at peace, one with the other,
In the presence of the dead thing.

O love, whose lordly hand
Has bridled my desires,
And raised my hunger and my thirst
To dignity and pride,
Let not the strong in me and the constant
Eat the bread or drink the wine
That tempt my weaker self.
Let me rather starve,
And let my heart parch with thirst,
And let me die and perish,
Ere I stretch my hand
To a cup you did not fill,
Or a bowl you did not bless.


Very nice. Words from the master.
Thanks for posting.

[Humm]

It's wonderful to just bask in the glowingness of something good and right.
Downright nurturing, I'd say. :smile:

[sound]

Love has no awareness of merit or demerit; it has no scale... Love loves; this is its nature.

~Howard Thurman~

[Humm]

Love has no awareness of merit or demerit; it has no scale... Love loves; this is its nature.

~Howard Thurman~


Nice quote - and it reminds me of this morning.

Yesterday I had been doing some spray painting. Thinking I might have to do touch up today I left the can inside on a cabinet by the back door.

This morning I went into the back room to get dressed ('cause I get up earlier than me honey) and I was stumbling around and the room which was lit only by a small light in the kitchen so it was pretty dark and reaching for my can of deodorant I noticed there were two cans there.

One of them, I realized, was my deodorant, and the other was spray paint. They were the same size with very similar nozzles, and in the dark they looked pretty indistinguishable from each other. Last night I had very unmindfully put them side by side.

"Okay now Ken", I thought to myself, marshaling what little concentration I could out of my still sleep-fogged brain, "Don't mess this up."

Sometimes it is appropriate to be non-discerning, the preference being for no preference - but other times it makes a BIG difference what one sees, what one chooses, and what one gets. What a terrible way to start the day - with an armpit full of satin black. :tongue:

[silent whisper]

Nice quote - and it reminds me of this morning.

Yesterday I had been doing some spray painting. Thinking I might have to do touch up today I left the can inside on a cabinet by the back door.

This morning I went into the back room to get dressed ('cause I get up earlier than me honey) and I was stumbling around and the room which was lit only by a small light in the kitchen so it was pretty dark and reaching for my can of deodorant I noticed there were two cans there.

One of them, I realized, was my deodorant, and the other was spray paint. They were the same size with very similar nozzles, and in the dark they looked pretty indistinguishable from each other. Last night I had unknowingly put them right next to each other.

"Okay now Ken", I thought to myself, marshaling what little concentration I could out of my still sleep-fogged brain, "Don't mess this up."

Sometimes it is appropriate to be non-discerning, the preference being for no preference - but other times it makes a BIG difference what one sees, what one chooses, and what one gets. What a terrible way to start the day - with an armpit full of satin black. :tongue:

Haha...now that might go down as one of the nastiest wax jobs ever endured....:D

[Xan]

Just sharing . To me love same as desire,emotions , greed , ego etc is pollutant that I must be free of , like all my attachment love is suffering .

Love is at time very nice , at certain painful same as others emotions so whats the different ?

Is all the same....all in "myself" .

Thks
CSEe
To me it's not the love that's painful, but what often goes along with it.. the add-ons of fear, clinging, push-pull struggles, loss and all that.

Love itself holds no pain, but heals us when we can allow it.


Xan

[Silver]

.......
One of them, I realized, was my deodorant, and the other was spray paint. They were the same size with very similar nozzles, and in the dark they looked pretty indistinguishable from each other. Last night I had very unmindfully put them side by side.

"Okay now Ken", I thought to myself, marshaling what little concentration I could out of my still sleep-fogged brain, "Don't mess this up."

Sometimes it is appropriate to be non-discerning, the preference being for no preference - but other times it makes a BIG difference what one sees, what one chooses, and what one gets. What a terrible way to start the day - with an armpit full of satin black. :tongue:

...sounds like a Laurel & Hardy stunt!
:D

[Xan]

Pardon my poeticizing your lovely clear words, Dar...


There's love , lots of kinds of love.

Love between people ,
people and their activities and surroundings
and plants and animals and ideas.

There's a more universal love that just seems to be ,
that's there for the loving ,
the giving and taking.

There's the love that people equate with God ,
or the glue that holds everything in every dimension together ,
which caused it to come into being and upholds it .

There's an energy way beyond any idea or feeling the body/mind can percieve ,
an infinity of energy that explodes in an infinite cosmic orgasm ,
that we might want to call by a name,
and that name might be 'love' .


`

[7luminaries]

Hi Sound, one aspect of the nature of human love, is touching;

What happens when a caress relieves someone’s stress, when a simple touch means so much that a connection becomes a reflection. When sympathy maybe empathy or just an expression of caring unfolds into sharing, like a flower opening into the sunshine for the first time, letting go a defence to accept a sense of the sublime. What power do we share that can help us bear the unbearable, cope on the most slippery slope, carry on outside when inside stops feeling. Just two, hands clasped, makes falling feel like being grasped, or relief from an emotional thirst before you burst, as an arm around a shoulder, can ease the weight of a boulder, bearing down on a heart, or blocking out where to start.

All lovers find the course, which leads to human sharing at source, beginning in separation, drawn together by expectation, learning to share, because they care, even when emotions are bare. In the essence of touch they learn so much, outgrowing what they expect, being simply content to reflect, the feelings beyond human separation, as loves elation becomes a new revelation. As every parent and child, creates a life filled with pats and rubs, cuddles and snuggles, ever so mild but beautifully styled, while ever so gentle endless connection that is essential, shapes their affection that grows into a Families reflection.

As friends or neighbours, workmates or strangers we either relate or from each other escape, as the reason for touching starts to feel like clutching, when expectation creates separation. Then social translation turns touch into force, creating a new course, in competition winners are strong, while the list of losers grows long. The birth of aggression becomes an obsession, destroying an instinct that heals, by expressing touch that steals. In mind and heart with choice we start, to share a life together or apart, the challenges of life makes many stumble, some struggle and tumble, so without the care of those who are humble, we all just crumble.

It’s the feeling expressed through every caress, in simple and complex ways, that shows us a natural medium, which breaks through separation, loneliness and its tedium, creating a sense that can remove any fence be it pain or strain, in the heart or the brain. Allowing us to feel something shared and real, that can lift us to the heights of love, or help us heal. This is touch revealed unless we keep it sealed, in solitary blindness because we know not kindness, as many do, who know but a few. But even they are still filled with a wish, for something they miss, waiting for me or you to bring them the bliss of a simple kiss. We have the power to knock down a made tower, and bring the sunshine to a hidden flower, we call it touching.

YES. Very nice and so true.

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

Pardon my poeticizing your lovely clear words, Dar...


There's love , lots of kinds of love.

Love between people ,
people and their activities and surroundings
and plants and animals and ideas.

There's a more universal love that just seems to be ,
that's there for the loving ,
the giving and taking.

There's the love that people equate with God ,
or the glue that holds everything in every dimension together ,
which caused it to come into being and upholds it .

There's an energy way beyond any idea or feeling the body/mind can percieve ,
an infinity of energy that explodes in an infinite cosmic orgasm ,
that we might want to call by a name,
and that name might be 'love' .


`


aw shucks, you did it again :redface:
looks and sounds better with your edit .
you have 'poetic license' from now on :D

[Xan]

Thanks, Dar... I love words that ring true for me and I love to pass them along (speaking of love).


Xan

[Xan]

I rarely write poetry but here's a bit from oh so long ago.


How love comes my way
Fierce tender as a windy day
It fairly stings my soul into response
The while it lifts the corners of my cape
And peeks beneath.


Xan

[silent whisper]

this always works for me
http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p219/sheltech/The%20Animals/Swimming025.jpg

Playing in the waters of life

Two little mates
immersing in the fun
being just together
in the water as one

Delight and pleasure
in the essence so clear
the coolness of the water
that tickles both our ears

splashing and moving
and feeling our delight
this game is more fun
when you are in sight

We love to play in the water
we love you standing near
to see your happy face
that holds us both so dear

Buddies we are
in the waters of life
mates we are
when playing in delight

Come on in with us
feel the wonder in this game
feel the joy
in being playful
feel the love
we are untamed...:smile:

[silent whisper]

I rarely write poetry but here's a bit from oh so long ago.


How love comes my way
Fierce tender as a windy day
It fairly stings my soul into response
The while it lifts the corners of my cape
And peeks beneath.



Xan


Lovely...if its just a bit of something more.......I would love to hear the whole verse..:smile:

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

Playing in the waters of life

Two little mates
immersing in the fun
being just together
in the water as one

Delight and pleasure
in the essence so clear
the coolness of the water
that tickles both our ears

splashing and moving
and feeling our delight
this game is more fun
when you are in sight

We love to play in the water
we love you standing near
to see your happy face
that holds us both so dear

Buddies we are
in the waters of life
mates we are
when playing in delight

Come on in with us
feel the wonder in this game
feel the joy
in being playful
feel the love
we are untamed...:smile:

that's beautimus ; thanks, I wish those little fellers could read !:D

[Xan]

Lovely...if its just a bit of something more.......I would love to hear the whole verse..:smile:

Oh... Thanks but that bit is the whole of it.


Xan

[silent whisper]

Oh... Thanks but that bit is the whole of it.


Xan


Then the whole is what we see...:smile:

[Xan]

Then the light being said to me,
"Remember that all you can bring back with you when you return is the love you give,
and life on earth is about loving relationships."


from an NDE story at IANDS.org

[sound]

Let yourself be silently drawn by the stronger pull of what you really love.

~Rumi~

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u138/simplykate_2007/dandeliondaisychain.jpg

[sound]

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u138/simplykate_2007/love-graffiti-10.jpg

[Xan]

Let yourself be silently drawn by the stronger pull of what you really love.

~Rumi~


What I really love is love itself.


Xan

[Sarian]

I'm just exercising my *** off and listening to different music....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLi0ppwOOwI&feature=related Love is all around by the Troggs.

[Thinker108]

I can feel but cannot express. I can feel but cannot describe. I can feel but I cannot find the root of love. by nature we all are in love, yes it is true fact. We all have a lovable nature. When we hate come one actually we ignore our true nature. Love is our nature, love is God.

[TzuJanLi]

Greetings..

'The nature of love'.. is to be misunderstood, played for mind's entertainment, and.. used, used for the currency of spiritual quests, uttered and spoken as if its name had value beyond the beliefs people harbor about its grand meaning..

Love, if it were as sacred as some seem to believe, would remain nurtured within the experiences that reveal what it 'is', rather than paraded about as an insignia of spirituality or enlightenment.

Everything is not 'Love', that notion is the invitation for that which is not Love to enter and flourish.. it is the 'wolf in sheep's clothing'..

Be well..

[Curt]

TzuJanLi, you are a Mystery Man.

[sound]

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u138/simplykate_2007/Children_and_Animals_____by_Indiangal-1.jpg

[3dnow]

(don't take it personally anyone)

These are all beautiful but doesn't prove that we actually love.

It is easy to love a flower.

3d

[sound]

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u138/simplykate_2007/4551497464_9b2195c72c.jpg

[sound]

I don't like that man. I must get to know him better.

~Abraham Lincoln~

[Gem]

It isn't to say what love is... and I've tried to say it before, but one who holds love in the place of God has no ears, only a mouth to tell, and fails in a simple understanding, which is, to know love is to feel love, and there is no way to invoke that purposely, it's purely accidental, but arizes under conditions of deep sincerity where a person feels quite safe, in an environment where he is not judged, pressured, expected to be 'spiritual' or any other imposition.

It's where people are considered equal and have no presupposed dual paradigms like Love and love... and these idioms are merely mental constructs which divide a humans feeling of love from love in general, and myself, have the experience and surity, that these distinctions are fables and there is no other than that heartfelt love.

Clapton has a song 'Plant Your Love and Let it Grow' and as they say...

http://27.media.tumblr.com/xq0gxRbjUkp3de4m5tKPm6sqo1_500.jpg

[3dnow]

... in an environment where he is not judged, pressured, expected to be 'spiritual' or any other imposition.

Man this was like drinking water as they say in my countrry.

[sound]

High and dry in the long hot day
Lost and lonely every way
Got the flats all around me, sky up above
yes I need a little water of love

I've been too long and lonely and my heart feels pain
Crying out for some soothing rain
I believe I have taken enough
yes I need a little water of love

Water of love deep in the ground
But there ain't no water here to be found
Some day baby when the river runs free
It's gonna carry that water of love to me

There's a bird up in the tree sitting up high
Just a waiting for me to die
If I don't get some water soon
I'll be dead and gone in the afternoon

~Dire Straits~


http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u138/simplykate_2007/chile-chi114.jpg

[sound]

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u138/simplykate_2007/8e296a067a37563370ded05f5a3bf3ec.jpg

[Gem]

This photo is one I posted before, but it's one I always remember too.

http://poundingheartbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/heart-leaf.jpg

[Gem]

http://www.iebyte.com/uploads/allimg/c111205/1323060C2523Z-252c9.jpg

[sound]

Where there is love there is life.

~Mohandas K. Gandhi~

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u138/simplykate_2007/406987_3326896141425_1539071534_3020879_662161342_ n.jpg

[sound]

We need not think alike to love alike.

~David Ferenc~


http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u138/simplykate_2007/315363.jpg

[Silver]

Touch

What happens when a caress relieves someone’s stress, when a simple touch means so much that a connection becomes a reflection. When sympathy maybe empathy or just an expression of caring unfolds into sharing, like a flower opening into the sunshine for the first time, letting go a defence to accept a sense of the sublime. What power do we share that can help us bear the unbearable, cope on the most slippery slope, carry on outside when inside stops feeling. Just two, hands clasped, makes falling feel like being grasped, or relief from an emotional thirst before you burst, as an arm around a shoulder, can ease the weight of a boulder, bearing down on a heart, or blocking out where to start.

All lovers find the course, which leads to human sharing at source, beginning in separation, drawn together by expectation, learning to share, because they care, even when emotions are bare. In the essence of touch they learn so much, outgrowing what they expect, being simply content to reflect, the feelings beyond human separation, as loves elation becomes a new revelation. As every parent and child, creates a life filled with pats and rubs, cuddles and snuggles, ever so mild but beautifully styled, while ever so gentle endless connection that is essential, shapes their affection that grows into a Families reflection.

As friends or neighbours, workmates or strangers we either relate or from each other escape, as the reason for touching starts to feel like clutching, when expectation creates separation. Then social translation turns touch into force, creating a new course, in competition winners are strong, while the list of losers grows long. The birth of aggression becomes an obsession, destroying an instinct that heals, by expressing touch that steals. In mind and heart with choice we start, to share a life together or apart, the challenges of life makes many stumble, some struggle and tumble, so without the care of those who are humble, we all just crumble.

It’s the feeling expressed through every caress, in simple and complex ways, that shows us a natural medium, which breaks through separation, loneliness and its tedium, creating a sense that can remove any fence be it pain or strain, in the heart or the brain. Allowing us to feel something shared and real, that can lift us to the heights of love, or help us heal. This is touch revealed unless we keep it sealed, in solitary blindness because we know not kindness, as many do, who know but a few. But even they are still filled with a wish, for something they miss, waiting for me or you to bring them the bliss of a simple kiss. We have the power to knock down a self made tower, and bring the sunshine to a hidden flower, we call it touching.


Anybody recognize this style?
Just take your time and read it for a while.

[sound]

Papa bear?

[Silver]

Papa bear?

Si, seniorita!

Not too many can say it like PB~*

[sound]

Yeah ... he writes beautifully :hug3:

[Papa Bear]

I thought I heard a couple of Angels reflect my name, which reminded me of a time when I called another my Angel, when love created someone new.


Her breath of life begins, in the dreams, love and passion, that two lover’s fashion. A true expression of the essence of caring, natures ultimate gift in human sharing, that shapes an evolution of creation which unfolds a new revelation. An expectant pair of parents to be, filled with excitement at every stage they can see, watching nature take her true course, a new life starts a journey from source.

As time filled growing expands, new thoughts and feelings create demands, both anxious doubts and excited preparation, add to the racing heartfelt feelings of anticipation, of him or her or you and me in the making of a family tree. And so the time grows closer to a new arrival, priorities and fears focus on survival, love and life of an expectant wife inseparable from a new born child’s strife.

Then in a moment’s crescendo of emotions delight, a cry breaks into daylight, all pain and suffering fall aside, replaced with life’s purest experience of love and pride. A Daughter has arrived and raised my heart, as my emotions fall apart, through tears of overwhelming joy, no matter a girl or boy, as realisation sinks in they are both safe and secure, as everything else becomes obscure.

In those timeless moments of Spiritual bliss, as I give her a first kiss, her eyes open wide with a life’s first measure, in my arms the purest treasure, shares and feels my ultimate pleasure. Our shared journey begins on sacred ground in a new love I have just found, she will grow into a little miss, but always be the source of my hearts bliss, and though we may call her Sharon, Donna or Leanne she will always be, an Angel to me.

(Sorry I could not resist)
I Love the Love in this thread. :smile:

[Xan]

`
The course does not aim at teaching the meaning of love,
for that is beyond what can be taught.

It does aim, however, at removing the blocks
to the awareness of love's presence,
which is your natural inheritance.

The opposite of love is fear,
but what is all-encompassing can have no opposite.


- A Course In Miracles

`

[Silver]

Love

So many ways to say during each and every day, in expression of a natural feeling, or with a psychological meaning, as it represents such an array of human exposure, when forming a discloser, of fondness or affection creating direction for human hearts to feel, even when eating a meal. What does it mean those words which flow so often like a stream, I Love, be it you, or them, or it or when, reflected with a passionate gleam, even when it has a sporting theme. Does it cross all barriers of life and form, as an object can make us feel warm, a car or house or the money saved, can they really create a heartfelt joy that compares to the parents of a new baby boy.

Emotions which shape relationships and caring do form many varied pairings, from the celebrity of recognition to their fans filled with loving expectation, or in the carer’s sympathy with the suffering of strangers, as it fills them with a loving empathy. This Love is a wondrous expression that can connect us to a song, we have not heard for so long, it can lift us from the greatest fall, and make us feel ten feet tall. For when its meaning is true whether spoken or received by me or you, there is no other sharing that can form such a caring, than the words which come from our source, because they shape our life’s course. But if they are but words to say, for the moment or just that day, they are no more than reflections of a child at play.

Thoughts as words just shaped to gain or through falseness cause pain, do not achieve or attain but merely create distain, for love said, without expression, only identifies self deception. Because the meaning of a sound which was first found, in a Spirits reflection that created a connection and through a transfiguration became a human revelation. As it flowed beyond thought to human nature it brought, an essence of feeling which had no ceiling, a timeless expression beyond explanation as it removed meaning from separation. A word of simple sound which has no bounds, for its creation is an estimation of an eternal part connected to a human heart, that connects us all too above, each time we say, I Love.

~Papa Bear


More good stuff

[Thinker108]

The means of realizing God are ecstasy of love and devotion – that is, one must love God.
he mother says to her child, pointing to a boy, 'He is your elder brother.' And the child at once believes that the boy is one hundred per cent his brother. Again, the mother says that a bogy man lives in a certain room, and the child believes one hundred per cent that the bogy man lives in the room. God bestows His grace on the devotee who has this faith of a child. God cannot be realized by the mind steeped in worldliness."

Shri Ramkrishna Paramhansa Dev

[Squatchit]

Here's another I did a few years ago...

http://i322.photobucket.com/albums/nn406/Squatchit/Love-in-a-mist.jpg
Love-in-a-mist

[sound]

Love it Squatch ... your watercolours are very, very special :hug3: I framed my seahorse and donated it to the child support room in the service i work for ... it attracts many wonderful comments :) or maybe that one above is oil pastels?

[Squatchit]

Hiya Kate :hug3:

Why thank you muchly my dear. What a wonderful thing to donate a painting at your place of work...I hope it brings a few smiles. :smile:

I gave my friend (the guy I work for) one of my paintings for his birthday last year. He's always admired it and all it was doing was sitting here gathering dust. So I had it framed and it now hangs on his wall at work, directly opposite the front door so everyone will see it.

[Xan]

Is this about love?

Get Service - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfeXxkbgCVE&feature=feedf


Xan

[Silver]

I liked it, Xan ~ touching~

[sound]

Is this about love?
Get Service - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfeXxkbgCVE&feature=feedf
Xan


I found it interesting too and understood the message but I am not sure how that would work in reality ... I am thinking we would all go insane ...

[Silver]

Yeah, people really have to draw a line somehow somewhere when we're giving others the benefit of the doubt because they might be 'going through something.' Love ourselves first, I think.

[Squatchit]

Get Service - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfeXxkbgCVE&feature=feedf (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatc h%3Fv%3DLfeXxkbgCVE%26amp%3Bfeature%3Dfeedf)

That was nice. :smile:

For me, the message wasn't so much about trying to help everyone else with their problems...but a reminder not to be so self-centred. Until he put on the glasses, his day was totally about himself.

[Xan]

Get Service

I found it interesting too and understood the message but I am not sure how that would work in reality ... I am thinking we would all go insane ...

Funny... I'm thinking we might just all go sane. :smile:

Caring gets us out of our tendency toward selfishness, and makes us happy. At least it does me.


Xan

[CSEe]

Love same as hate , anger , desire , emotions , compassion is leading to own suffering , is all pollutant of myself , is a pollutant in ME .

Thks
CSEe

[Curt]

Funny... I'm thinking we might just all go sane. :smile:

Caring gets us out of our tendency toward selfishness, and makes us happy. At least it does me.


XanXan, I'm going with you.

[Curt]

I just have a lot of love inside.

[Xan]

How fortunate that you know it, Curt. Many people don't... yet.


Xan

[Silver]

That was nice. :smile:

For me, the message wasn't so much about trying to help everyone else with their problems...but a reminder not to be so self-centred. Until he put on the glasses, his day was totally about himself.

Me too, Squatchy.

[sound]

Funny ... I'm thinking we might just all go sane. :smile:
Caring gets us out of our tendency toward selfishness, and makes us happy. At least it does me.
Xan
Oh come on Xan ... surely you know me well enough to know that i didn't mean we would go insane if we cared more ... with respect, I reckon I can safely say I care about others as much as you ... what I meant was that to my thinking the reason we are unable to absorb/know that much about others is because it would overload our own psyche ...

[Gem]

I found it interesting too and understood the message but I am not sure how that would work in reality ... I am thinking we would all go insane ...

Sure would be a load to take everything personally, because we would tend to, but saving the world is totally different to taking a real look at it.

[Humm]

Sure would be a load to take everything personally, because we would tend to, but saving the world is totally different to taking a real look at it.
Do you see things as they really are Gem?

[amy green]

To me it's not the love that's painful, but what often goes along with it.. the add-ons of fear, clinging, push-pull struggles, loss and all that.

Love itself holds no pain, but heals us when we can allow it.


Xan

I agree Xan. So many people associate love just with being hurt. Remember the line (that a lot of people think is corny) "love means never having to say you're sorry"? How many people "get" that? My understanding/take on this is that love is SUCH a beautifully transforming experience (the best feeling I've ever had) that, even though the outcome may not be favourable, you could never regret it. It elevates you to such heights, puts you in touch with your heightened senses, opens you up, bolsters creativity, imbues life with so much colour, positivity and meaning. I speak as someone who has had a bit of a talent for unrequited love - I know all about the down side of it (heck, I even had a breakdown because of it) but I DO so love love. It's what makes being alive so wonderfully enriching in all its forms, e.g. caring/compassion. I used to be a hippy and feel privileged to be part of a generation whose motto was "love and peace" - not bad if somewhat niaive.....now if only that was all it took to make the world a better place! :hug3:

[Humm]

I agree Xan. So many people associate love just with being hurt. Remember the line (that a lot of people think is corny) "love means never having to say you're sorry"? How many people "get" that? My understanding/take on this is that love is SUCH a beautifully transforming experience (the best feeling I've ever had) that, even though the outcome may not be favourable, you could never regret it. It elevates you to such heights, puts you in touch with your heightened senses, opens you up, bolsters creativity, imbues life with so much colour, positivity and meaning. I speak as someone who has had a bit of a talent for unrequited love - I know all about the down side of it (heck, I even had a breakdown because of it) but I DO so love love. It's what makes being alive so wonderfully enriching in all its forms, e.g. caring/compassion. I used to be a hippy and feel privileged to be part of a generation whose motto was "love and peace" - not bad if somewhat niaive.....now if only that was all it took to make the world a better place! :hug3:
Yes! Being Loving is Joyful - and being Joyful is Loving. :smile:

[Emmalevine]

Love for me is acceptance of what IS. Going with the flow. Being filled with wonderful, passionate, creative energy. Knowing that everything is and will be okay.

Knowing I accept my son (who is severely disabled) for who he is and that I am glad I made the decision I made to have him (which was under difficult circumstances and for a long while filled with regret) has connected me to this power. For me, it was like snapping back into circuit after being disconnected for a long time. I can feel that current run right through me. That's how love feels.

[TzuJanLi]

Greetings..

I do not "accept what is" without discernment.. suffering, oppression, and abuse flourish because people 'accept' those situations.. is 'that' Love?

Be well..

[Gem]

Do you see things as they really are Gem?

I think I'm pretty objective really, and see a big picture view, and can 'wear the shoes' of others pretty well... and ultimately recognize the good and bad in human nature.

Pretty scary huh?

[Xan]

sound: Oh come on Xan ... surely you know me well enough to know that i didn't mean we would go insane if we cared more ... with respect, I reckon I can safely say I care about others as much as you ...

Yes, of course I know you are a caring person, Kate. Perhaps we are misunderstanding each other.


what I meant was that to my thinking the reason we are unable to absorb/know that much about others is because it would overload our own psyche ...

Well yes.. empaths struggle with this issue until they learn to handle it better.

I think the reason is because at the ordinary human level our psyches do get overloaded, since we usually come from emotion, obligation and taking on the problems of others.

My solution is, in coming from the inner self with its unlimited resources the inner heart responds appropriately through us... without the mind's fears and habits of withholding, or unbalancing ourselves.

The video clip didn't say this, of course, but both the inner and outer ways feel sane to me.


Xan

[Humm]

I think I'm pretty objective really, and see a big picture view, and can 'wear the shoes' of others pretty well... and ultimately recognize the good and bad in human nature.

Pretty scary huh?
How is that different from anyone else who thinks their POV is more right than others?

I mean, really - you must have some objective criteria in that objective opinion of yours other than it is your opinion that you 'think' you are objective...

[silent whisper]

How is that different from anyone else who thinks their POV is more right than others?

I mean, really - you must have some objective criteria in that objective opinion of yours other than it is your opinion that you 'think' you are objective...


Objectively speaking, I object to any subjective objective objects, being objectively object to subjects of the objective nature of things...Am I being objective?:tongue:

[Xan]

Subjectively speaking I prefer the objective of this thread... expressions from and about love, especially my favorite - love with-no-object (as opposed to, well, you know... that other objectionable stuff).


Xan

[Xan]

Love same as hate , anger , desire , emotions , compassion is leading to own suffering , is all pollutant of myself , is a pollutant in ME
It's love as emotion that gets complicated by other emotions that lead to suffering.

Love itself - not the emotion but our own essence of being - is pure and clear, as is compassion that arises from this.


Xan

[Humm]

Objectively speaking, I object to any subjective objective objects, being objectively object to subjects of the objective nature of things...Am I being objective?:tongue:
That is the most objective statement I have seen today - IM subjective O. :smile:

[Humm]

Love itself - not the emotion but our own essence of being - is pure and clear, as is compassion that arises from this.


Xan
Absolutely.

IMO, Love is the word I use for that which nurtures, grows, expands, accepts.

This is not pollution.

[silent whisper]

That is the most objective statement I have seen today - IM subjective O. :smile:


Then if you are subjective.......I will subject you to some more subjective objective subjects that subjects the objective subjectively and the subjects subject will be forever subjectively subjected to the subject... What is the subject again? :tongue: :hug3:

[amy green]

It's love as emotion that gets complicated by other emotions that lead to suffering.

Love itself - not the emotion but our own essence of being - is pure and clear, as is compassion that arises from this.


Xan

Xan - I totally agree. Your clear and simple way of expressing your thoughts is so beautiful....I love it! :hug3:

[Xan]

I love it that you love it, Amy. :hug3:


Xan

[sound]

Subjectively speaking I prefer the objective of this thread... expressions from and about love, especially my favorite - love with-no-object (as opposed to, well, you know... that other objectionable stuff).
Xan

no opposition ... no resistance ... love is love is love ... when we start opposing and objectifying and comparing and/or 'whitewashing,' it inhibits us a little I feel... I dont know ... some people struggle to express love in this 'way' but words have their value, especially when they are the only 'visible' tools in the box ... can words carry the energy of love? I feel they most certainly can ... intent is not easy to mask ...

[sound]

Greetings..

I do not "accept what is" without discernment.. suffering, oppression, and abuse flourish because people 'accept' those situations.. is 'that' Love?

Be well..
No I dont either Tzu ... in my experience, the love is expressed in the action we take to try to minimize/eliminate the suffering ... accepting/remaining aware that such atrocities exist/are being perpetrated, is necessary obviously, in order for others to 'enact' ...

[amy green]

Sound - yes this is an important point and well discerned by Tzu.

[sound]

Comes a time
when you're driftin'
Comes a time
when you settle down
Comes a light
feelin's liftin'
Lift that baby
right up off the ground.

Oh, this old world
keeps spinning round
It's a wonder tall trees
ain't layin' down
There comes a time.

You and I we were captured
We took our souls
and we flew away
We were right
we were giving
That's how we kept
what we gave away.

Oh, this old world
keeps spinning round
It's a wonder tall trees
ain't layin' down
There comes a time.

~Neil Young~

[BlueSky]

Greetings..

I do not "accept what is" without discernment.. suffering, oppression, and abuse flourish because people 'accept' those situations.. is 'that' Love?

Be well..

I find that not too many respond to such questions as seems to be the case with this one.
Wonder why?

Tzu, you are looking wiser and wiser to me every day..........:smile:

James

[TzuJanLi]

Greetings..

I find that not too many respond to such questions as seems to be the case with this one.
Wonder why?

Tzu, you are looking wiser and wiser to me every day..........:smile:

JamesHi James: Wiser? not so much.. but, thanks..

Be well..

[shehari]

All these spiritual gurus and other spiritual talkers, say that one needs to accept both good and bad, sorrow/happiness.

How can this happen. If I experience war, violence or any other suffering how can I accept? Does anything happen thru acceptance? Or is it just a another way, naming it as "acceptance" to escape that helplessness.

Ah... well... dunno what I really want to ask/know. :)

Thanks

[Humm]

All these spiritual gurus and other spiritual talkers, say that one needs to accept both good and bad, sorrow/happiness.

How can this happen. If I experience war, violence or any other suffering how can I accept? Does anything happen thru acceptance? Or is it just a another way, naming it as "acceptance" to escape that helplessness.

Ah... well... dunno what I really want to ask/know. :)

Thanks
It depends on the context, IMO.

In daily life one must be careful to discern a nurturing and positive path, but in moments of reflection on the greater scheme of things it is nurturing and positive to accept all that is on it's own terms.

In turn, our discernment of what is nurturing and positive comes out of the connection of our greater reflections

[shehari]

@ Humm:

thank you for the reply. Can you explain this to me clearly? my english isnt that fluent
thanks

[Gem]

No I dont either Tzu ... in my experience, the love is expressed in the action we take to try to minimize/eliminate the suffering ... accepting/remaining aware that such atrocities exist/are being perpetrated, is necessary obviously, in order for others to 'enact' ...

I just think that one has to accept what is, in the contextof war/abuse/suffering, and then see if it's possible to make some small improvement.

Mostly though, persons either refuse to acknowledge it, or if they do, become outraged by it, however, if it looked at for what it is first, and by examining it, understood, then it's possible to be more effective... and it tkes a lot of patience as the problems are multifaceted and stretch beyond our lifetime and generation.

[Humm]

@ Humm:

thank you for the reply. Can you explain this to me clearly? my english isnt that fluent
thanks
I don't know if I can explain it clearly if you were a native english speaker Shehari. Your english is very good. :smile:

IMO, the important point is understanding a situation, such as war, from the larger context of acceptance, the innate value of the human being and humanity, and free will, and then applying that to the smaller perspective of your local experience in trying to improve the local situation.

If you can relate one to the other in a positive way, then right actions become self-evident.

[shehari]

At times I feel extremely depressed, I feel this NEED to eliminate this mood. So I watch t.v, eat, clean and so on. Being alone is a threatful feeling. I know that there is something beyond it that needs to be seen or whatever.

How can I be able to see that. Meditation I guess............

Kind of in a crisis right now..sorry

she

[Humm]

At times I feel extremely depressed, I feel this NEED to eliminate this mood. So I watch t.v, eat, clean and so on. Being alone is a threatful feeling. I know that there is something beyond it that needs to be seen or whatever.

How can I be able to see that. Meditation I guess............

Kind of in a crisis right now..sorry

she
I'm sorry Shehari. I hope you are able to overcome your difficulties soon.

Yes, meditation can be very effective for just what you describe.

Things like this are precisely why people have pursued spiritual practice for thousands of years.

You are not alone - not by a long shot.

I'm sure others here will have many good suggestions to help you. :smile:

[sound]

Mostly though, persons either refuse to acknowledge it, or if they do, become outraged by it, however, if it looked at for what it is first, and by examining it, understood, then it's possible to be more effective... and it tkes a lot of patience as the problems are multifaceted and stretch beyond our lifetime and generation.

Yeah acknowledgement is the word ... its not going to change by turning a blind eye to it thats for sure ...

[7luminaries]

Greetings..

Hi James: Wiser? not so much.. but, thanks..

Be well..

I also read that and agreed, Tzu.
I was probably time pressed as usual these days.

I do think whilst "All is Love"....as in All is of Source...yes a truism....
that life is about knowing oneself and what we choose to value...

And we can choose to value some aspects of the Divine Love as the love that we understand, the love that we recognise and which nourishes us...

(From Dumbledore...a wise man in his own realm...
"It's not our abilities that make us who we are, Harry — it's our choices.")

Peace & blessings,
7L

[Xan]

All these spiritual gurus and other spiritual talkers, say that one needs to accept both good and bad, sorrow/happiness.

How can this happen. If I experience war, violence or any other suffering how can I accept? Does anything happen thru acceptance? Or is it just a another way, naming it as "acceptance" to escape that helplessness.

Ah... well... dunno what I really want to ask/know. :)

shehari... In my experience, accepting things as they are in our world and ourselves does not mean passively going along with them. We also accept our urge to make the changes necessary to reduce violence and suffering.

Struggling within ourselves with our overwhelming frustration about the enormous difficulties and pain some people live with does not make us effective in solving the problems. In fact, our own negative responses and helplessness keep our creative and caring energies limited.

It's a surprising paradox, that by choosing the power of accepting each moment as it is, we become freer to go ahead in new ways... for our own well being and for others.


Xan

[TzuJanLi]

Greetings..

I just think that one has to accept what is, in the contextof war/abuse/suffering, and then see if it's possible to make some small improvement.

Mostly though, persons either refuse to acknowledge it, or if they do, become outraged by it, however, if it looked at for what it is first, and by examining it, understood, then it's possible to be more effective... and it tkes a lot of patience as the problems are multifaceted and stretch beyond our lifetime and generation.
I 'acknowledge' what 'is'.. and, allowing for the certainty of change, i do not 'accept/receive' change that is harmful, beyond a necessity for restoring the balance of a healthy process..

Be well..

[Gem]

Greetings..


I 'acknowledge' what 'is'.. and, allowing for the certainty of change, i do not 'accept/receive' change that is harmful, beyond a necessity for restoring the balance of a healthy process..

Be well..

I think what is there needs to be acknowledged, then scrutinized with the knowledge that change is certain. The way in which things change can be affected by the attitude with which the situation is observed.

Dire situations like war and genocide, and more personal things like child abuse and rape, often invoke huge reactions of outrage and anger, which I doubt would be constructive affectors of change; but it is very difficult to take an attitude of kindness to such things, yet it is necessary to do so; in both introspection and world affairs.

[TzuJanLi]

Greetings...

I think what is there needs to be acknowledged, then scrutinized with the knowledge that change is certain. The way in which things change can be affected by the attitude with which the situation is observed.

Dire situations like war and genocide, and more personal things like child abuse and rape, often invoke huge reactions of outrage and anger, which I doubt would be constructive affectors of change; but it is very difficult to take an attitude of kindness to such things, yet it is necessary to do so; in both introspection and world affairs.
"Kindness" has many faces.. i can be kind to the perpetrator, relative to the kindness he or she has shown others, but.. i cannot accept unnecessary harm with the level of 'kindness' that would perpetuate its continuation..

Be well..

[7luminaries]

I think what is there needs to be acknowledged, then scrutinized with the knowledge that change is certain. The way in which things change can be affected by the attitude with which the situation is observed.

Dire situations like war and genocide, and more personal things like child abuse and rape, often invoke huge reactions of outrage and anger, which I doubt would be constructive affectors of change; but it is very difficult to take an attitude of kindness to such things, yet it is necessary to do so; in both introspection and world affairs.

I think at a macro level there would have to be remorse, acknowledgement and acceptance of responsilibility....we harmed ppl, there were excesses. Sometimes it's difficult to sort out...and sometimes it's less difficult. Sometimes there is mutual suffering and both sides need to express remorse and accept responsibility.

At the individual level, the same remorse, acknowledgement and and acceptance of responsilibility are probably also necessary for change to be effected long-term.

Kindness and love are key to healing. In this I certainly agree with you.

Those that suffered can forgive & let go. But that doesn't necessarily change anything externally. It only frees the victim's heart to heal. A much deeper healing occurs when the perp or perps say, I(we) am(are) sorry for causing your pain. It's acknowledging the humanity of one another, and our interbeing, that heals from the ground up.

But coming with kindness before one side is ready to accept and respond in kind is tricky. There must be very firm boundaries or lines in the sand of what will and won't be tolerated, kindly said (LOL). So here I agree with Tzu as well.

Peace & blessings,
7L

[Curt]

Love Is


~~~

[3dnow]

Love is:
He/she is wonderful
The greatest force of the universe
Knows the best for their life..

The rest is mind chatter based on fear...

[Papa Bear]

Love for me is acceptance of what IS. Going with the flow. Being filled with wonderful, passionate, creative energy. Knowing that everything is and will be okay.

Knowing I accept my son (who is severely disabled) for who he is and that I am glad I made the decision I made to have him (which was under difficult circumstances and for a long while filled with regret) has connected me to this power. For me, it was like snapping back into circuit after being disconnected for a long time. I can feel that current run right through me. That's how love feels.

That is the nature of love.

[Gem]

Greetings...


"Kindness" has many faces.. i can be kind to the perpetrator, relative to the kindness he or she has shown others, but.. i cannot accept unnecessary harm with the level of 'kindness' that would perpetuate its continuation..

Be well..

The attitude you take toward very harmful situations not easy to choose, because such things are truely revolting and sensations like nausea occur as reflexes, and in many cases it's kinder to physically harm a perpetrator that to stand by and merely observe a horrendous crime.

Despite observer ideals, it's not appripriate at times when personal engagement best serves humanity, however, ones attitude of disposition need not enter hatred and an underlying wish of 'be well' for a perpertrator can be maintained.

The attitude of kindness is exemplified in 'be well' I think, but life isn't always 'nice' so one just does their best in given circumstances.

It's not easy being subject to degenerate circumstances, because it forces a position stemming from a conflict of wills, and one tends to act in a way that promotes freedom and dignity, but also, sometimes mistakes are made which are hard to live down.

[Xan]

Starbuck: I can feel that current run right through me. That's how love feels.

Yes indeed.


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