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norseman
07-01-2012, 06:38 PM
It is claimed that Witchcraft (The Craft) dates back to the mists of time in one form or another, some claim 40,000 years, certainly predating the ‘book’ religions. Based on the religions of the ancient, modern Traditional Witchcraft has evolved and is now generally accepted to be of European origin, specifically British and falls under the wide umbrella of ‘Paganism.’ Today’s Traditional Witches’ beliefs and practices vary as much as any of the book religions that split into different factions and assume different methods of practice/worship.

Traditional Witches generally do not ‘worship’ anything; they honour/respect every living thing on the planet as part of the great universal force that is Nature. Unlike other traditions most do not look to a mother and/or father figure represented by deity although some do choose to do this; they do, however, acknowledge the male/female polarity of the natural world.

There are no books to instruct or guides to follow neither is there a written creed to which they must adhere – each individual practices as she/he deems appropriate and will introduce local or cultural idiosyncrasies into her/his magic or ritual.

Modern Traditional Witches use ‘Grimoires,’ notebooks in which they keep records of rituals, spells, recipes or anything personal they wish to recall. These books, as with the Wiccan Book of Shadows, are new additions not available to the often illiterate, simple people of bygone days. In any event, it would have been inadvisable to keep a book that might condemn them; fortunately we now live in [allegedly] more enlightened times.

Traditional Witches as a whole believe in reincarnation, that they move from this life to a ‘spirit world’ where they rest before continuing their journey – sometimes being reborn in human form or becoming one with Nature (Land Spirits). Some, however, will remain in the spirit world and it is believed that these appear to humans from time to time. As a result all spirits are respected as being our ancestors; as they were in their human form some are benevolent, some are not!

Traditional Witches’ rituals are not ‘ceremonial’ and complicated – simple recognition of the changes of the seasons in the form of the Sabbats, the Moon Phases and, particularly, the Full Moon is all that is necessary. It is perfectly acceptable for rituals to be carried out at home – no contrived surroundings, state of dress or elaborate tools are deemed necessary or even particularly desirable. Intent and the power of the will are paramount.

Ritual in a Coven environment is also simple and does not work to the same hierarchical format as Wicca, Covens do, however, have Rites of Passage that are carried out during various stages of a member’s life, generally based on the changing seasons or phases of the moon. Systems vary between different Covens and whether or not an individual chooses to undergo these Rites is a matter of choice. There are no ‘craft names’ in Traditional Witchcraft; these are a Wiccan introduction.

The magic practiced is simple and not reliant upon the tools and symbols of the High Magic practiced in other belief systems/religions. All religions practice magic in one form or another although some will hold up their hands in horror at the very idea. Simply lighting a candle, with or without the addition of incense and the sprinkling of holy water and making a wish or reciting a prayer is ‘magic’ in that it is an attempt to influence circumstances through the application of one’s willpower. Herbal healing is also a common ‘magical’ practice of the Traditional Witch. Unlike Wicca, the practice of hexing and cursing is perfectly acceptable in Traditional Witchcraft but only in extreme cases.

Traditional Witches hold all life sacred and, therefore, to be shown respect. This applies to others’ belief systems/religions as we may likely all end up in the same place. They do not hold to the Christian notion of good and evil forces, nor do they believe in a devil, hellfire or brimstone. They understand that there is both good and bad in everyone and they must take responsibility for their own actions without the need for guidance from others.

With the advent of the Solitary Wiccan, particularly the more eclectic, the divisions between Wicca and Traditional Witchcraft are becoming blurred. Many Wiccans conduct ritual and practice magic in a very similar, simple vein as living circumstances are not always conducive to High Magic with all the paraphernalia involved, nor are Covens easy to find or join and ‘Groups’ of like-minded people are becoming popular for those who don’t wish the regimentation or responsibility of Coven membership. For those who choose to work alone, there is always interaction via the Internet if needed.

Wiccans will always differ in that they must adhere to the core beliefs - the Rede and Threefold Law. Wicca is a religion based upon the worship/honouring of deity, particularly the Triple Goddess. One unifying factor is that both Traditions consider the Earth and everything in it, on it and above it sacred and to be nurtured.

Lostgirl
07-01-2012, 06:48 PM
Very interesting once again Norsey :) Thank you x

nightowl
07-01-2012, 08:58 PM
Hey norseman,

Thanks for sharing this I enjoyed reading it. Can you maybe refresh my memory as to when the word witchcraft seemed to come into being?

I have been enjoying researching alchemy lately and I was wondering what is your take on the combination of alchemy and witchcraft and the their history together?

norseman
07-01-2012, 10:49 PM
I think Alchemy was a half-way house between Craft and Metallurgy. The old Alchemists did produce some remarkable results in metals refining, especially the Arab Alchemists. Alchemy probably more formulaic - High Craft - as opposed to Craft which could be described as Informal i.e. Low Craft.
"Witch" came with the monotheistic religions I think although the ancient rabbis did practice Craft. Islam seemed to have a "thing" about witches tho'.

One anecdote I can share. Before taking up Lecturing, I was a Production Manager in a Metals Refining plant - Lead and Silver - the processes were more alchemical than metallurgical, more arte than science.

Occultist
07-01-2012, 10:51 PM
Norseman my friend thank you so much for this..
So many people do not know or understand what Witchcraft is they just label themselves and others and it gets frusterating. you are a true friend to take your time and explain this in a way others will understand <warm hugs>

norseman
07-01-2012, 11:01 PM
Good Evening, Madame Occultist :hug: Care for a snifter of Jerez best ? :D

nightowl
07-01-2012, 11:09 PM
I think Alchemy was a half-way house between Craft and Metallurgy. The old Alchemists did produce some remarkable results in metals refining, especially the Arab Alchemists. Alchemy probably more formulaic - High Craft - as opposed to Craft which could be described as Informal i.e. Low Craft.
"Witch" came with the monotheistic religions I think although the ancient rabbis did practice Craft. Islam seemed to have a "thing" about witches tho'.

One anecdote I can share. Before taking up Lecturing, I was a Production Manager in a Metals Refining plant - Lead and Silver - the processes were more alchemical than metallurgical, more arte than science.

Yes I agree, that is my understanding so far as of the history of alchemy, I think it is more of a combination of actual science type alchemy and spiritual alchemy. As I have been absorbing the history it seems that much of what most people know about it comes from the middle ages version, the obsession of transforming metals, but in its original start it was not only about the science it was also about the craft/spiritual. It believed that the two are connected, as do I.

I think that the mystic crafts of old, even in Judaism were considered of an occult nature, along with others that existed at the time...I believe they were called mystic religions or occult practices at the time not witchcraft.

Occultist
08-01-2012, 06:32 AM
Good Evening, Madame Occultist :hug: Care for a snifter of Jerez best ? :D
jeesh that would hit the spot wouldnt it?":hug2: :hug:

Morpheus
08-01-2012, 07:57 PM
"The experience of life in a finite, limited body is specifically for the purpose of discovering and manifesting supernatural existence."
Pythagoras
"Until recently no one really understood that our deck of cards has a very real purpose in divination because this sacred science has been kept hidden by a special group of priests for thousands of years.

This group of priests was known as the Order of the Magi."

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Part of this illusion is that you are independant, free, and, in control of your destiny. This is false.
Apart from the, "Construct", of "Space/Time", everything is both known, and ordered.

"You've been living in a dream world, Neo"..."A prison for your mind."
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Luke 4

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Occultist
08-01-2012, 10:02 PM
are you try to convert us to christianity? I am confused and creeped out.

norseman
08-01-2012, 11:01 PM
Morpheus, you might like to take a step back and think about what you are posting. Think about comprehensibility and the nature of this thread !

seeker89
08-01-2012, 11:14 PM
Hey norseman...Just wanted to thank you for posting this info as it's given me some food for thought. Cheers.

LadyMoondancer
09-01-2012, 06:29 AM
Yes I agree, that is my understanding so far as of the history of alchemy, I think it is more of a combination of actual science type alchemy and spiritual alchemy. As I have been absorbing the history it seems that much of what most people know about it comes from the middle ages version, the obsession of transforming metals, but in its original start it was not only about the science it was also about the craft/spiritual. It believed that the two are connected, as do I.

I think that the mystic crafts of old, even in Judaism were considered of an occult nature, along with others that existed at the time...I believe they were called mystic religions or occult practices at the time not witchcraft.

the word alchemy comes from the Arabic word alchem, which is the root of the word chemistry. In the Middle/Dark Ages, when Western civilization had stalled, the Arabic people made great strides in math, science and other areas. Then somehow, things got reversed, the Arab people stagnated, while Western civilzation blossomed.

The Arabic peoples did and still do (in some places) have their mystical practices.

LadyMoondancer
09-01-2012, 06:31 AM
thank you Norsey. You always post such good stuff.

nightowl
09-01-2012, 08:24 AM
the word alchemy comes from the Arabic word alchem, which is the root of the word chemistry. In the Middle/Dark Ages, when Western civilization had stalled, the Arabic people made great strides in math, science and other areas. Then somehow, things got reversed, the Arab people stagnated, while Western civilzation blossomed.

The Arabic peoples did and still do (in some places) have their mystical practices.

Thanks LM.

I am familiar with most of this... alchemy, it did transform through the ages...:smile:

I would love to hear some views on;

"egyptian witchcraft

Most are familiar with the Book of Shadows, Garden of Emerald Crystals and Dragon Drule Spell Book because of their popularity. These books all originated from the practice of Egyptian Witchcraft prior to 1100 B.C.E. The history of witchcraft in Egypt has been known for a while. People have wrote hieroglyphics on the walls and passed down their spell casting traditions to others. "

LadyMoondancer
09-01-2012, 06:51 PM
nightowl

I haven't studied that much on Egyptian witchcraft. well, not recently. I have read The Egyptian Book of the Dead and other books back in the 70's and did get a book a few years ago by Bob Brier called Egyptian Magic, which is still on my very large "to read" list. (actually, I haven't done much "reading" lately, as I've been so busy archiving into my computer a ton of stuff. - music, photos, magazine articles etc.).

I've mostly studied the myths of the Egyptian gods and goddesses, Selket in particular.

A lot of my Middle East knowledge comes from the fact that my first husband was Yemeni and I was learing Arabic and about the Middle East.

nightowl
09-01-2012, 08:04 PM
I am just thinking that of course in many cultures there were practices called witchcraft or magic...I tend to beleive with the way the history of the world has unfolded that many at times came in contact with one another and even overlapped, just as the traditions in religion. Which I guess for me blurs the term traditional. I think it would fit well if it were coupled with the culture it originated in like for instance traditional Egyptian witchcraft or traditional Nordic witchcraft and so on...gee, does that make sense? :smile: I like to be able to see the links between where it started and where it ended up...I find that fascinating! Now of course I believe the foundations of all are basically the same.

Morpheus
11-01-2012, 05:50 PM
are you try to convert us to christianity? I am confused and creeped out.

There is the issue of both Destiny, Fate, and involving, "Predestination", and, "The Elect".
"The sower goes forth to sow..." Not responsible for the reception, and, how one reacts.

Time is short now, Occultist.
I am respectfully diseminating information.
May I suggest that you do not limit yourself to narrow viewpoint, and for reasons of bias,
or ego.

Nebuchadnezzar's dream: the composite statue (France, 15th century).

"The description of Nebuchadnezzar’s dream describes a "great image, whose brightness [was] excellent... and the form thereof [was] terrible."[v.31]
A general description of the personified image is given from head to toe: whose head was made of fine gold,
a chest and arms of silver,
a belly of brass,[v.32]
legs of iron, and feet made partly of iron and partly of clay.[v.33]

The vision is then continued by relating the Vision of stone, its characterization: "not cut by hands", and its action that causes a dispersion of the statue’s metals.[v.34]
The stone grows to fill the whole Earth.[v.35]

Thus concludes the presentation of the dream followed by its interpretation, by the formula: “this is the dream”.[v.36]

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Animus27
11-01-2012, 05:57 PM
Thanks LM.

I am familiar with most of this... alchemy, it did transform through the ages...:smile:

I would love to hear some views on;

"egyptian witchcraft

Most are familiar with the Book of Shadows, Garden of Emerald Crystals and Dragon Drule Spell Book because of their popularity. These books all originated from the practice of Egyptian Witchcraft prior to 1100 B.C.E. The history of witchcraft in Egypt has been known for a while. People have wrote hieroglyphics on the walls and passed down their spell casting traditions to others. "
If you'd like to know more about AE magic, look up heka. It;s both the concept of magical speech and writing that created all things, and a ntr. (god).

http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/heka.html

http://www.philae.nu/akhet/Heka.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heka_(god)

Also, both the Coffin and Pyramid Texts are full of examples of Ancient Egyptian prayers and spells which, in AE religion, were rarely separated. :smile:

Morpheus
11-01-2012, 06:38 PM
Morpheus, you might like to take a step back and think about what you are posting. Think about comprehensibility and the nature of this thread !


The problem is, norseman, when people, no matter what their faith or perspective, ignore what becomes obvious and apparent, because they are egoically biased, then they are limited because they limit themselves.

Animus, A very good read is , "Signs in the Sky" by Adrian Gilbert, a British author who has traveled extensively to the middle east, and elswhere.

In it you will find how Jewish ritual is related to the Egyptian, and how Egyptian practice and culture influenced Hebrew practice and ritual, as observed in the Old Testament.
The book was published in the year 2000, but he has written a number of books since also, related to prophecy as connecting with astronomy, and astrology involving the issue of 2012.

nightowl
11-01-2012, 07:27 PM
Thanks Animus27 and Morpheus for the references, I will check those out and thanks again norseman for sharing the wealth of your knowledge...:D

Morpheus
11-01-2012, 11:43 PM
Ni problemo, kiddo.

Merovingian: "I am a trafficker of information, I know everything I can.
The question is, do you know why you are here?"
8)



"Why" is the real and ultimate question.

Lostgirl
12-01-2012, 10:19 AM
Well that is just a thrilling thing to troll about. Great......so pleased you said all of that.

norseman
12-01-2012, 11:04 AM
I have been in contact with mods to get the Spam deleted :smile:

Amethyst
12-01-2012, 01:39 PM
Traditional Spam Craft!

Morpheus
14-01-2012, 04:01 PM
Here is truthful realization, which leads to understanding...

Lahiri Mahasaya


"Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by riding daily in a balloon of divine perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence."


Quoted from Miss. Hepburn to me. So, I looked up Lahiri Mahasaya, and found the following.
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Is any of this understanding and perspective incompatible with the subject matter here?
Does, "Traditional Witchcraft", expressively object to the understanding that we are more and other than these apparent bodies and this physical form, especially in the 21st century? Wherein we have a consensus of things involving spirituality and modern physics today?

nightowl
14-01-2012, 04:32 PM
I was wondering if anyone here believes that the progression of witchcraft came out of superstition and in the practice of superstitious rituals, 'magic' came to be?

norseman
14-01-2012, 06:20 PM
"Magic" is the channeling, directing, controlling of natural Earth energies. When fully understood, we will find that it obeys the laws of Physics INCLUDING the Law of Conservation of Energy and Mass. What is difficult to work out is the part played by Will and Intent, and Ritual. There has to be a catalysing energy somewhere in this equation. Although, another possibility is the Mind acting as a fuse link in this process, and only certain "fuses" will work. I do NOT believe that there is anything supernatural in magic !

This was an early attempt to explain
[FON = force of nature]

As I see it, the importance of Intent and Will would be different.
In High Ritual magic, the ritual itself would provide a channel for the Will, a type of pathway for the energy to follow.
In Low Magic, I see no clear path to follow, so the Will must act in co-operation with the FON i.e. in Low Magic there is a partnership with the Intent of FON so that you are adding the “tipping” energy
Perhaps Intent would be of higher importance in Low Magic than in High Magic with its internal guiding mechanism.
The best way I can think of to clarify the difference is that Low Magic works like a siphon – as if the FON wants you succeed by adding that small energy boost.
High Magic generally involves more complex, energy-rich ritual which essentially drives the process uphill, like a Archimedian Water Screw..

norseman
14-01-2012, 06:35 PM
@Morpheus
You have to appreciate the origins of Craft. It originates with people that we will call shaman for want of a better word. They worked with the spirit world to achieve their ends, so Spirituality was part of the process from the beginning.
Now, in modern times, I follow an updated version of that old Craft and part of that is a process called "Striding the Hedge" which essentially involves having a foot in both the mundane and the spirit world in order to commune with the ancestors to seek their advice. Most Craft workers invoke spirits in order to achieve their purpose, this is often called "Calling the Quarters". The common format includes invoking the Lords of the Powers of the Four Elements for aid. The elements being Earth, Fire, Air, and Water.

The common model of the Cosmos includes three Realms of Being - the Heavens, Middle Earth, and Underworld. The Heavens being the realm of the Sky Gods, the ultimate in Spirituality which is an ideal that we hope to achieve even if temporarily. Middle Earth is our mundane world. Underworld is the spirit world where our spirits rest after death to wait regeneration and rebirth,
So you see, this whole subject is based on Higher Realms and Spirituality.

nightowl
14-01-2012, 06:58 PM
"Magic" is the channeling, directing, controlling of natural Earth energies. When fully understood, we will find that it obeys the laws of Physics INCLUDING the Law of Conservation of Energy and Mass. What is difficult to work out is the part played by Will and Intent, and Ritual. There has to be a catalysing energy somewhere in this equation. Although, another possibility is the Mind acting as a fuse link in this process, and only certain "fuses" will work. I do NOT believe that there is anything supernatural in magic !

This was an early attempt to explain
[FON = force of nature]

As I see it, the importance of Intent and Will would be different.
In High Ritual magic, the ritual itself would provide a channel for the Will, a type of pathway for the energy to follow.
In Low Magic, I see no clear path to follow, so the Will must act in co-operation with the FON i.e. in Low Magic there is a partnership with the Intent of FON so that you are adding the “tipping” energy
Perhaps Intent would be of higher importance in Low Magic than in High Magic with its internal guiding mechanism.
The best way I can think of to clarify the difference is that Low Magic works like a siphon – as if the FON wants you succeed by adding that small energy boost.
High Magic generally involves more complex, energy-rich ritual which essentially drives the process uphill, like a Archimedian Water Screw..

Great explanation, I agree...I was just wondering how many of these aspects were learned through like trial in error, cause and effect in learning about using the environment in superstitious rituals, which developed into the craft. But i guess that is a given huh? :D

norseman
14-01-2012, 08:21 PM
Trial and error, and learning from the error is a greater teacher than books :smile:. Took me over 30 years but I got there.

Morpheus
20-01-2012, 07:46 PM
The common model of the Cosmos includes three Realms of Being - the Heavens, Middle Earth, and Underworld. The Heavens being the realm of the Sky Gods, the ultimate in Spirituality which is an ideal that we hope to achieve even if temporarily. Middle Earth is our mundane world. Underworld is the spirit world where our spirits rest after death to wait regeneration and rebirth,
So you see, this whole subject is based on Higher Realms and Spirituality.

Sure, that was well explained norseman. And in it, one can see connections with other aspects of religion, and spirituality.