Shadow People??

[IsleWalker]

I keep seeing shows where people see Shadow People. Does anyone here have actual experience seeing them?

What is the theory about where they come from or what they are? Is it true they are "a part" of a person who has left physical but rejects his negative side and sort of splits itself into pieces?

I did go to a John Edward reading (a couple of times). Once the girls in line in front of us talked about seeing these small (4 feet tall) figures that danced around their mother's bed (mother was alcoholic) and tormented them.

Again--does anyone here have first hand experiences? What are your feelings about what they are? Are they they same as the thick black fog that people see?

IsleWalker - Lora

[Black Sun]

I don't really have a lot of educated theories on the subject but I have had a few experiences with various entities that could be considered shadow people. I've been waiting to see if anyone offered a more enlightened response than I was capable of but thus for no one has and I didn't want the post to go unanswered because I'm very interested in its development.

To begin with, I've been called a "Shadow Man" by more than a few people capable of seeing auras and sensing essences, though in general this was not meant to be a negative thing but a matter of fact. I like to think of it in terms of black as representing receptivity, which is something that I pride myself on, and the Ether/Spirit/Void element. A number of my spirit guides, or higher dimensional versions of myself, could also be considered to be ethereal "shadow people" in that same sense of receptivity/ether/void/spirit.

I've also had a number of experiences with psychic vampires, who when I can see them seem to have a lot in common with that black fog of which you speak. They feel like spiderwebs when I share a physical location with them. My theory is that they maintain their ghostly existence by feeding on the astral/spiritual/emotional/life energy of others. I don't judge them for it. It's really no different than consuming an animal or a plant to maintain one's own physical existence (of course if we could all survive by photosynthesis without the need to kill for food that would be ideal, which may just be one of the final stages of the current Shift). Even though I pride myself on receptivity I also radiate a lot of energy and sometimes I can coexist peacefully with them as long as they are not particularly aggressive or numerous. Sadly that is rarely the case, as they tend to be driven by greed, desperation, and a general feeling of not-enough-ness.

[vulkus]

I keep seeing shows where people see Shadow People. Does anyone here have actual experience seeing them? Yes

What is the theory about where they come from or what they are? Is it true they are "a part" of a person who has left physical but rejects his negative side and sort of splits itself into pieces?No they aren't part of a person who rejects their own negativity, they are entities in their own right.

I did go to a John Edward reading (a couple of times). Once the girls in line in front of us talked about seeing these small (4 feet tall) figures that danced around their mother's bed (mother was alcoholic) and tormented them.Edward wouldn't have a clue, especially about these types of entity. They are colloquially referred to as 'monkeys'. What you describe is exactly what they do. They are a lower form of entity, ever heard of the expression I've got a monkey on my back... well that is them.
Very easy to get rid of, matties vetting system will work on these entity types because they are of a low realm. Their big brothers how ever will laugh at the vetting technique.

Again--does anyone here have first hand experiences? What are your feelings about what they are? Are they they same as the thick black fog that people see?
IsleWalker - Lora
No they aren't the same as the thick black fog, that is one of a number of different things.

To begin with, I've been called a "Shadow Man" by more than a few people capable of seeing auras and sensing essences, though in general this was not meant to be a negative thing but a matter of fact. I like to think of it in terms of black as representing receptivity, which is something that I pride myself on, and the Ether/Spirit/Void element. A number of my spirit guides, or higher dimensional versions of myself, could also be considered to be ethereal "shadow people" in that same sense of receptivity/ether/void/spirit.Shadows/people are never considered to be guides. They are also high form entities in their own right and do not deal either directly or indirectly with humanity.

I've also had a number of experiences with psychic vampires, who when I can see them seem to have a lot in common with that black fog of which you speak. They feel like spiderwebs when I share a physical location with them. My theory is that they maintain their ghostly existence by feeding on the astral/spiritual/emotional/life energy of others. I don't judge them for it. It's really no different than consuming an animal or a plant to maintain one's own physical existence (of course if we could all survive by photosynthesis without the need to kill for food that would be ideal, which may just be one of the final stages of the current Shift). Even though I pride myself on receptivity I also radiate a lot of energy and sometimes I can coexist peacefully with them as long as they are not particularly aggressive or numerous. Sadly that is rarely the case, as they tend to be driven by greed, desperation, and a general feeling of not-enough-ness.Psy vamps is a name generally associated with humans. Non corporeal entities almost exclusively feed on energy, so to say they are a psy vamps is an understatement.

[Black Sun]

Thanks for the info. Yeah, I guess my spirit guides aren't technically "shadow people" in the common usage, just spirits that deal primarily with nocturnal energies.

[IsleWalker]

Thanks, Vulkus--all food for thought.

When you said John Edward wouldn't know (recognize) Shadow people, I agree. It seems that certain mediums attract certain types of entities, naturally.

There is a show on now called The Dead Files. It has an ex Brooklyn cop working with a sort of Goth-tending psychic who seems to have quite a few unresolved negative spirit experiences of her own.

After watching a few of their episodes, it struck me that they very often come across really negative spirits and "victims" who are totally unwilling to get rid of the spirits.

There was a woman who had 100s of dolls and spirit had inhabited, among other things, the dolls and were tormenting her young daughter. But she wouldn't give up the dolls.

Another mother had let all three of her children be tortured by these Shadow people (5 by her count). The youngest son's eyes would roll back in his head and he would speak in tongues, sleep-walk. The mother saw these things too but decided that if she didn't acknowledge them, it was OK. Of course the kids weren't OK. According to the psychic, the husband's life had been sucked out of him over the years, when he died of heart trouble.

Another was a guy remodeling a bed and breakfast and doing his own experiments to test and bring out spirit. He even pulled a 14 foot board out and built a table capable of seating 30 people, shown in a picture he had found. He had opened a portal in the back yard too but said he was gonna handle it himself.

I guess it's good ole LOA again. I just have noticed it with psychics and mediums lately.

Just an observation. Sorry to meander.

IsleWalker - Lora

[vulkus]

Your not meandering it is a good topic of conversation and your insight is just as valuable :)

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

I was born a rambling man, so...

I've never had any experience with shadow entities , unless you count the ones that I used to share my body with :icon_eek: . The models I use(d) are no doubt similar to the multidimensional ones mattie uses, but since I never saw shadow entities I never thought about them much. The mention of their "big brothers" made me think of what we heard called "dark lords" , which was generally meant to describe a powerful one whom a person would co-exist with from an early age, in a kind of 'business arrangement' if you will,
that was about staying in a state of limitation/sleep until the timing was right and the person was ready to awaken to their higher aspects .

It's a more subtle kind of 'posession' than the dramatic exorcist-related things in movies and tv, being much more about an entity that intertwines with our own identity, much like a parasitic symbiont . Not that such an 'arrangement' is benign; hardly, as I was a raging alcoholic/addict for 20 years until such time as I was ready to assume a new life in Spirit . In the end , it's not about battling the entity for control of the soul, because a multidimensional context changes the perspective around completely . In the process of assuming (resuming !) one's rightful role as a spiritual being , a person takes control of the energies and entities he/she engages with .

From this perspective it's not about 'slaying demons' like we're used to thinking about engaging 'negative' things (although the fierce assertiveness
required might seem the same in some ways ) .In the expanded context it's about discernment , and at some point I discerned that an entity had been sharing this body with the person I used to be . A powerful , manipulative entity , that had meshed covertly with my old self , so that a seamless
identity was created to operate in this world for a time.

But the time for such an arrangement had come to an end, and the suggested method of terminating the relationship was to thank the dark lord for all of it's long, difficult service (a nasty job, but someone's got to do it :wink: ) , assert that it's mission had been fulfilled, and escort it to the light. I'm not one that sees these things literally , but I felt all of this and
it all resonated energetically, symbolically , and ....some other silly word I just forgot :cool: . This might seem like a cavalier approach , but it was all lived-out in dead seriousness , a life and death affair, really, but with the correct focus and surrender to one's highest aspects ,and the force of grace, only one outcome was possible . Such a long time ago...


One thing mentioned in the thread made me think of a dream I had of being in a different energy realm, not with shadow beings, I don't think, but with
WIGGLY BROWN ENERGY BEINGS . They actually did pretty much scare the poop out of me but I didn't sense that they were malicious ; just so utterly alien that it freaked me out . In the dream I was in a place that was all electric and vibrating with energy, and it was all brownish monotones. I was beside a trail lying on my side , completely unable to move any part of my body except my eyes. Up along the path came several tall, long-and-spindly limbed creatures , vaguely humanoid , but they were also all brown and wiggly with energy. The whole area was literally crackling and buzzing with juice , and these beings were walking right in my direction , and I couldn't move . I think I got spooked so much that I woke up, and have always remembered the incident very clearly in the 20 years since it occurred :icon_eek: :D . Who knows?.... and that's actually a question too : anyone have any input about the Brown Wigglys ? . I've always wondered about them.
DS

[mattie]

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Very easy to get rid of, matties vetting system will work on these entity types because they are of a low realm. Their big brothers how ever will laugh at the vetting technique.
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The vetting technique (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showthread.php?p=397371#poststop) isn't something I devised, but that of a very experienced channeler.

[vulkus]

But the time for such an arrangement had come to an end, and the suggested method of terminating the relationship was to thank the dark lord for all of it's long, difficult service (a nasty job, but someone's got to do it :wink: ) , assert that it's mission had been fulfilled, and escort it to the light. I'm not one that sees these things literally , but I felt all of this and
it all resonated energetically, symbolically , and ....some other silly word I just forgot :cool: . This might seem like a cavalier approach , but it was all lived-out in dead seriousness , a life and death affair, really, but with the correct focus and surrender to one's highest aspects ,and the force of grace, only one outcome was possible . Such a long time ago...
I am quite surprised that after all this, you sent it in to the light?
You destroyed a non corporeal being, after it had fulfilled a contract?

[vulkus]

The vetting technique (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showthread.php?p=397371#poststop) isn't something I devised, but that of a very experienced channeler.Vetting is a joke, as far as entities are concerned. Experienced or not, they were only a channeler. Only one who has studied the Occult sciences has any clue as to the methods by which to challenge non/corporeal entities. This has been borne out time and time again.
But each to their own and who am I to tell others they are incorrect.

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

I am quite surprised that after all this, you sent it in to the light?
You destroyed a non corporeal being, after it had fulfilled a contract?

Actually , I just released it. At the time this was all somewhat intuitive , and not literal, in that I didn't 'see' these things happening . We were using models that gave embodiment to certain energetic phenomenon , and these things were seen in the mind's eye and felt in various ways . I didn't then , and don't now, know the 'rules of engagement' in such matters . The beings we were working with (channeled ET masters, if you must) suggested taking
interfering entities to the light, though now that you mention it, I don't exactly remember what the protocol was for a person's major 'dark lord' .
I remember going through the motions (techniques and exercises ) and saying the words and symbolically releasing these aspects of myself , or a distinct entity , and maybe or maybe not telling it to go to the light. Since I don't
SEE this stuff I rely on intuition and how things feel and work , and that seemed to work . So I might tell myself I made it all up with the help of some weirdos, or I might say that the models felt accurate and the experience was functionally effective . I would certainly cede to your expertise on how such things might actually operate in detail (or at least assimilate some of your insight into my evolving models :wink: :D ).

D

[vulkus]

I don't profess to know all, I know quite a bit about the shadow realms and shadow entities but I don't know everything. (who does)

There has been of late (within the last 2 decades) sending almost everything in to the light. This horrifys me to no end. The light isn't what everyone thinks it is, but they use it like it is some type be all end all answer for everything.
The light is like a meat grinder, its sole function is to strip away our attachment to the flesh, personality and render you to your barest parts. Only the raw essence makes it through, this is by design. It can be passed through somewhat safely though if you wish to remember everything from this life time.
When you send an enity in to the light, it either destroys them, or may as well destroy them.

No doubt however we will get those mediums and what not wading in to this topic and telling me I'm wrong. That is OK, they can do this. Truth is truth.


As far as your 'dark lord' is concerned its leaving and contractual obligations should have been set out in the original contract.

[IsleWalker]

When you send an enity in to the light, it either destroys them, or may as well destroy them. .

Sorry, Vulkus, I just don't accept this premise. People have not been stripped of (a)memories (b) attachments (c)personalities (d) problems--in all the examples I've seen and in those I've interacted with. They seem to have a little more perspective, that's all.

I have to say that I was hesitant to begin this discussion because it would devolve into what it often has on this site. And I am afraid I end up with what I thought when I came into it: I'm just not interested enough to spend a lot of energy arguing about it.

If I come across something I guess I'll deal with it then.

Lora

[vulkus]

You don't have to accept it, and frankly I don't care if you don't.
When you die you are no longer a person, therefore if you are still attached to your memories, attachments, personalities and problems then you are earth bound, still alive or haven't moved on. You haven't moved 'in to the light' because if you had you would no longer be attached to these things.
But seriously if you aren't interested in information and or the opinions of others then don't start a topic. Sit back and lurk instead.

[Black Sun]

I think the communication issue lies in the use and interpretations of the word destruction. Sure, your physical body is no longer a part of you. Any earthly attachments you may have are washed away. All "problems" are revealed for what they are in the light of divine reason, which is nothing. Everything is an illusion. Going into the light is realizing this fully at an experiential level. If your sense of self lies in the illusions, problems, and earthly attachments that you have created for yourself, then it can be viewed as destruction, and will be a particularly fearful and traumatic experience. If your sense of self lies in your highest truth then you need not fear. I, as well as I'm sure many others, would choose to interpret it as ultimate freedom, ultimate peace, and unconditional love. "The most beautiful experience can also be the most horrible experience depending on whether you accept it or resist it." -me

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

I think the communication issue lies in the use and interpretations of the word destruction. Sure, your physical body is no longer a part of you. Any earthly attachments you may have are washed away. All "problems" are revealed for what they are in the light of divine reason, which is nothing. Everything is an illusion. Going into the light is realizing this fully at an experiential level. If your sense of self lies in the illusions, problems, and earthly attachments that you have created for yourself, then it can be viewed as destruction, and will be a particularly fearful and traumatic experience. If your sense of self lies in your highest truth then you need not fear. I, as well as I'm sure many others, would choose to interpret it as ultimate freedom, ultimate peace, and unconditional love. "The most beautiful experience can also be the most horrible experience depending on whether you accept it or resist it." -me

and if given a choice I would choose that .evidently though, I'm supposed to be here and muck around in the bushes for a while longer, occasionally peering through to marvel at the bright sky :D :cool:

[IsleWalker]

You don't have to accept it, and frankly I don't care if you don't. But seriously if you aren't interested in information and or the opinions of others then don't start a topic. Sit back and lurk instead.

Vulkus---

I was kind of expecting this response, since I did start the thread. I was hoping for a kind of detached explanation, which you did offer. It's just that these discussions always end up devolving into--"Believe me, I've seen them--negs exist!" vs. "You only see what you want to see." Neither is helpful.

Because those who pass still remember their life and still feel the attachments to those there does not necessarily mean they are still bound by the drama, earth-bound.What is the point of the life if you retain none of it? In fact, it seems that they can remember all the attachments while slipping away from the drama---IMO. Results may vary. :smile:

As to lurking, there is really nothing wrong with learning and lurking. Not exactly my preference,though. I'll either be here or not.

IsleWalker - Lora

[vulkus]

Vulkus---

I was kind of expecting this response, since I did start the thread. I was hoping for a kind of detached explanation, which you did offer. It's just that these discussions always end up devolving into--"Believe me, I've seen them--negs exist!" vs. "You only see what you want to see." Neither is helpful. everything is helpful. However in saying that, if what you required was a detached explaination, then you should have stated that intention in your original post. Some of us aren't mind readers, so we interpret your post as it relates to our experience. If you required something else, the onus is on you to give that direction.

Because those who pass still remember their life and still feel the attachments to those there does not necessarily mean they are still bound by the drama, earth-bound.What is the point of the life if you retain none of it? In fact, it seems that they can remember all the attachments while slipping away from the drama---IMO. Results may vary. :smile:See this is where it become subjective, in YOUR experience those that have passed away still remember their lives. This is your world view, and not necessarily the world view of everyone else.
As I haven't died or ascended yet I can not accurately tell you what the meaning of life is. However, if all it was were just to remember it. Then what would be the point of that?
Maybe your life is for living and memories are meant as oral traditions, to be passed from generation to generation to teach and entertain us.