What do you guys think about vaccination? If you were a child would like to be vaccin

[Love Wisdom Truth]

What do you guys think about vaccination? If you were a child would like to be vaccinated?
Do you vaccinate your children?

Thank you for your opinions!

[psychoslice]

The polio vaccination gave me fits for about four years, I also have schizophrenia ?.

[Love Wisdom Truth]

The polio vaccination gave me fits for about four years, I also have schizophrenia ?.

Sorry to hear you got hurt that bad.

[froebellian]

No, I believe in building up a natural immune system where possible

[ahmandah]

I'm a nurse, so I think you can guess my answer.

However, I did tailor the schedule to something with which I felt comfortable, and refused the Rotateq vaccine (just didn't sit right with me, for some reason).

[mattie]

Some vaccinations may be useful, but the question that many in the complementary medicine community are asking is how many can be safely taken by children whose immune systems aren’t fully developed. They are now giving multiple vaccines at one time & this may be much more of an assault on the immune system than when one vaccine was given at a time.

[Neville]

better (in most cases) the inoculation than the illness. I believe. When i was a child the only way to become immune to Mumps was to get it. And the Mumps can make us fella's Jaffa...You know..seedless.

[StephenK]

better (in most cases) the inoculation than the illness. I believe.
Read this and tell me if you still feel the same way!

My wife is a many year nurse and was going through this last night and was horrified by what she saw. We've been brainwashed into thinking that
the medical community knows what it's doing and has our best interest at heart. The later may be the case with many doctors, but what they're taught
is junk-science, and the resulting effects are disastrous!

The Terror of Pediatric Medicine
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/terror_pediatrics.pdf (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bibliotecapleyades .net%2Farchivos_pdf%2Fterror_pediatrics.pdf)

[StephenK]

No, I believe in building up a natural immune system where possible

Amen!! :^)

[sesheta]

I never thought much about vaccinations one way or the other until I heard about and checked out the website below:

http://vran.org/

Now, I have some major concerns about it! Give it a read when you have a chance - there's a lot of information on there that makes you stop and think...

[StephenK]

I never thought much about vaccinations one way or the other until I heard about and checked out the website below:

http://vran.org/ (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fvra n.org%252F)

Wonderful web site Sesheta!

Future generations will surly look back on this time, and refer our conventional medicine as "the dark ages"!

[DebbyM]

better (in most cases) the inoculation than the illness. I believe. When i was a child the only way to become immune to Mumps was to get it. And the Mumps can make us fella's Jaffa...You know..seedless.


More men should have gotten mumps then....7 billion and counting.

The following is about 8 girls in one school who now have what appears to be Tourettes syndrome, and which came after receiving the HPV vaccine.

http://gaia-health.com/gaia-blog/2011-12-28/tourettes-like-outbreak-in-girls-of-one-school-only-explanation-is-hpv-vaccine/

And then this one which tells of 17 children who will now be supported for life by the Finnish government because they have narcolepsy which is the result of getting the Swine flu vaccine.
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=36836

And what about the risk of getting precancerous tumors as a result of getting the HPV vaccine known as Gardasil. This link has notes on the number of girls who've gotten seriously sick as a result of getting this drug. http://vran.org/in-the-news/hpv-human-papilloma-virus-cervical-cancer-vaccine-mercks-gardasil%C2%AE/

I remember hearing a guy addressing the US government when the swine flu fear was everywhere and the thing that stuck in my mind was him saying that during the tests, if pregnant women who'd been vaccinated didn't fare well, their records were simply dumped from the report. How many bad results are dumped? And is the bottom line considered more important than human health....would not surprise me at all.

[earthprowler]

Yes there are concerns to be aware of with any of them but in most states you cannot enroll your children in school without them. There are also laws about not getting them done. I have heard of parents losing custody because of such things.

[DebbyM]

Yes there are concerns to be aware of with any of them but in most states you cannot enroll your children in school without them. There are also laws about not getting them done. I have heard of parents losing custody because of such things.

I think that a parent can apply for an exemption but even in those states I'm sure the pressure to comply is incredible. And I think it's crazy to lose your children because you are trying to do what parents should do, i.e. take care of your kids in the way that you believe is safest for their health.

[Gracey]

vaccines did not hurt me at all, but one of my twins got 3 at one time and he had severe tummy problems for 3 months. i am weary of them now.

[Shabby]

That's a good question. I am against vaccinations and very upset that the law requires us to have our children vaccinated in order to attend public schools.

[Gracey]

my doctor was trying to give shots that were not required, i gave a big fat no to that one and changed doctors.

[Shabby]

my doctor was trying to give shots that were not required, i gave a big fat no to that one and changed doctors.

Good for you Gracey. I did that too and always emphasize that I only accept the ones required by law.

[Love Wisdom Truth]

Thank you for all replies. I have some friends and relatives doctors who don't believe in the vaccination procedures as something harmless. I am all the time pushed by doctors to vaccinate my children (I think they got only a couple of vaccines.), but my wife refuses to let them get vaccinated.
Doctors do what they are taught in school: vaccinations, surgery, medications, x rays .... .
What if there were 1,000 diseases out there, will they require from us to vaccinate our children for all of them?
(I would like 100% guarantee that there will be no side effects in order to believe they are safe. I am not satisfied with an answer 99.99% "safe". When the children grow up and become independent let them decide for themselves what vaccinations to get.)

[StephenK]

What if there were 1,000 diseases out there, will they require from us to vaccinate our children for all of them?

You're wife is most wise! Diseases are not the issue! Our medical establish took a terribly wrong turn thanks to the ignorance and influence of Louis
Pasteur. (and at that, Louis Pasteur admitted he was wrong on his death bed). Thanks to Pasteur's influence we've been looking in all the wrong
places for health. We've been lost in a labyrinth of isolated causes and effect without taking into consideration our entire bodily system as a whole.

For a really good read as to how Louis screwed up check out this book that was written back in 1942 on the subject. The arguments at the time were
still fresh and well defined, but since then they've been overwhelmed by our current ignorance! Thankfully there are those who are resurrecting old
truths and are scientifically validating and perfecting observations that should have been with us all along!!


The Dream & Lie of Louis Pasteur
by R. B. Pearson (originally Pasteur, Plagiarist, Imposter 1942)
http://www.whale.to/a/b/pearson.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.spiritua lforums.com%252525252Fvb%252525252Fredir.php%25252 5253Flink%252525253Dhttp%25252525253A%25252525252F %25252525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com%25252525252Fv b%25252525252Fredir.php%25252525253Flink%252525252 53Dhttp%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%252525252525 2Fwww.whale.to%2525252525252Fa%2525252525252Fb%252 5252525252Fpearson.html)

"The writer has made an effort in his prior books and pamphlets to show that the germ theory is false, and that illness was practically always due to
errors of diet or manner of living, the germs being present solely as scavengers of dead and waste tissues and foods, and not as the cause of
the disease."
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Bottom line is! Screw the disease, the disease is merely the lagging indicator. The form that it takes is merely a reflection of how the body is
trying to deal with what we're doing to it with "food". Stop this stupid behavior of mindlessly tossing junk into our system so the the body can right
itself and thus effectively take care of most anything that comes down the line! :^)

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[Native spirit]

:confused: My daughter was asked last year if she wanted the vacination to prevent cancer,she said no and was urged by the teachers in school to have it, her friend had it and was ill for many weeks after it.
so i told her she was nt having it and if the teachers had a problem with it to speak to me,
they didnt and my daughter didnt have it,but a couple of her friends had it and were ill .

Namaste

[Arawn]

As a person who cannot get vaccinations due to medical reasons, I would have loved to be able to get them. It would have made switching schools easier along with getting into college easier. I wouldn't have had to go to the doctor's to get a note to override the requirement to have vaccinations.

I don't have an issues with vaccinations and think all of the conspiracies surrounding the vaccinations is ****. People will believe anything that is put into a "shock and awe" type of writing.

When I have children, they're definitely being vaccinated because of the hoops we had to jump through to get me into school. At the very least, they'll get the vaccines for things such as hepatitis.

[psychoslice]

As i said earlier, the polio vac, made me have fits, this was the first and last vaccination i ever had thank god, I even heard that there was some idiot who wanted to vaccinate babies, so they wont grow up and become alcoholics lol.:rolleyes:

[StephenK]

I don't have an issues with vaccinations and think all of the conspiracies surrounding the vaccinations is ****. People will believe anything that is put into a "shock and awe" type of writing.
.
Or maybe sometimes they're just telling the truth.....and that truth happens to be a bit shocking....

[StephenK]

:confused: My daughter was asked last year if she wanted the vacination to prevent cancer,she said no and was urged by the teachers in school to have it, her friend had it and was ill for many weeks after it.
so i told her she was nt having it and if the teachers had a problem with it to speak to me,
they didnt and my daughter didnt have it,but a couple of her friends had it and were ill .

Namaste
Oddly we have evidence all around us that these vaccinations are a problem, plenty even here in this thread, and yet our government keeps-
keeping-on with this abuse, and people keep given them a free pass....

[StephenK]

I even heard that there was some idiot who wanted to vaccinate babies, so they wont grow up and become alcoholics lol.:rolleyes:
I wonder if there's a vaccine that would prevent people from becoming politicians?! :^))

[psychoslice]

I wonder if there's a vaccine that would prevent people from becoming politicians?! :^))
Gee, that would be soo wonderful, lets make one and stick it you know where lol.:smile:

[StephenK]

Gee, that would be soo wonderful, lets make one and stick it you know where lol.:smile:
Capital idea! ... and I believe among the public this proposal would garner some interest as well! :^))

[Love Wisdom Truth]

Schools requiring vaccinations for admission are probably braking some constitutional rights. Plus I would like to hear what the great gurus say about it.
Beinsa Douno was kind of against it, because people were getting sick and dying from vaccination (probably about 80-90 years ago). In one lecture I remember he was saying something like ".... they are putting a disease in you (polluting your blood) so you don't catch a disease ... ". As far as I understood it he was not supportive of vaccination because something unclean is injected into your blood. Many times he said that people get sick because their blood is not clean.
Thoughts like these make me hit the brakes on vaccinations.
Let's say you have created antibodies against a disease, but it was not done in an "organic" way. So now your blood is modified because the medical scientists have decided it was the right thing to do for you. Who would you believe on this matter? The "spiritual masters" or the materialistic scientists?
The spiritual masters know way more than the modern day scientists. They can materialize and dematerialize things (Jesus and all other true masters have performed such actions). They know the laws of Prana and Akasha. The university scientists are only guessing about them, or flat out denying them.
(Just my reasoning.)

[DebbyM]

As a person who cannot get vaccinations due to medical reasons, I would have loved to be able to get them. It would have made switching schools easier along with getting into college easier...........When I have children, they're definitely being vaccinated because of the hoops we had to jump through to get me into school. At the very least, they'll get the vaccines for things such as hepatitis.

So you're willing to risk your child's health for the sake of convenience?

[CuriousSnowflake]

What do you guys think about vaccination? If you were a child would like to be vaccinated?
Do you vaccinate your children?

Thank you for your opinions!

Avoiding vaccinations is basically relying on the immunities others have through their shots to limit your (or your children's) exposure to the diseases. Personally, I don't like playing dice with my children's health like that. Some vaccinations, like chicken pox, I think are unnecessary, but I think they do far more good than harm. As for the autism connection, the jury is still very much out on that.

CS

[StephenK]

. Personally, I don't like playing dice with my children's health like that.
CS

But if you do what they're telling you to do, without all the info, then you are playing dice with your childrens health:

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/vaccines.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com%2525252Fvaccines.htm)

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And yet another good site on the subject:

THE VACCINATION RACKET
http://www.whale.to/b/hoax1.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.whale.to%2525252Fb% 2525252Fhoax1.html)

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[Love Wisdom Truth]

Avoiding vaccinations is basically relying on the immunities others have through their shots to limit your (or your children's) exposure to the diseases. Personally, I don't like playing dice with my children's health like that. Some vaccinations, like chicken pox, I think are unnecessary, but I think they do far more good than harm. As for the autism connection, the jury is still very much out on that.

CS

Those are theories. Everyone should make their own choice what to do. The Divine law is "Respect the rights of all."

[innerlight]

No, I believe in building up a natural immune system where possible
That is what a vaccine does. A vaccine is a weaker, and in some cases a dormant strand of an virus. It is injected so the body can build up a tolerance to it so it is able to fight it off on its own.

Of course in injecting yourself with a weaker dose of the virus you are opening yourself up to being sick as you are making yourself sick so you can get better.

While you are fighting off this weaker version of the virus your body is using up its energy to fight the virus which now makes you more prone to catching something else. Which can make you susceptible to being sick. So when someone gets sick, or ill, after the vaccine it is because they are prone to catching something else.

There is also the possibility that if a persons healing is weak to begin with giving them a virus may be to hard for them to fight off naturally.

[OnAPath]

I'm not sure about what the law says, but I fully intend to breastfeed my kids. I have a fantastic immune system, and the antibodies will be passed to my child.

The only time I EVER got the flu was the one year I got the flu shot.

I know that not every immunity can be passed to the child, but I hope that the vaccinations that are required by law, (IE: If I do not get it, family services will take my child) will have a good footing, so he or she will not catch something secondary while trying to fight off the virus injected into the body.

[StephenK]

That is what a vaccine does. A vaccine is a weaker, and in some cases a dormant strand of an virus. It is injected so the body can build up a tolerance to it so it is able to fight it off on its own.

This is all unnecessary if the body is running as it should be. Medicine, as it's been practiced since the turn of the last century, has pretty-much gotten
things bass-akwards. They see a bug, so they think "they" must kill it, they assume that our bodies are too stupid to figure it out. Yet, there's another understanding
that was ignored back then and is still ignored today, that the bugs in question are only able to feed off of sick tissue, blood, body fluids... these
bugs are parasites, if the body is healthy the bugs can't move in..

If a person gets sick don't look for a bug, look instead as to why the persons is in an unhealthy state. The current western diet is a no-brainer to look into.
Dead foods with very few nutrients, chemicals mixed throughout the processed box of powders, vegetables and fruits grown in depleted soils using fertilizers made out of oil.

So a persons body is too busy trying to detoxify itself and yet trying to do-so and survive off of essentially nothing.

But that's not what we're mostly talking about here... the medium they're using to extend the shelf-life of the vaccines is mercury... some of the most
toxic stuff on the planet. Why they chose mercury is creepy and bizarre... and that's the stuff they're pumping into children...

Whether the vaccines are effective or not is, in this case, secondary to the very real, disturbing and unconscionable health issue at hand!

[StephenK]

I'm not sure about what the law says, but I fully intend to breastfeed my kids. I have a fantastic immune system, and the antibodies will be passed to my child.

Follow that up with nutritionally healthy foods and I suspect your beloveds will be awesome!! :hug3:

[innerlight]

This is all unnecessary if the body is running as it should be. Medicine, as it's been practiced since the turn of the last century, has pretty-much gotten
things bass-akwards. They see a bug, so they think "they" must kill it, they assume that our bodies are too stupid to figure it out. Yet, there's another understanding
that was ignored back then and is still ignored today, that the bugs in question are only able to feed off of sick tissue, blood, body fluids... these
bugs are parasites, if the body is healthy the bugs can't move in..




Really??? Medicine is backwards today then it was at the top of the century. You do know at the top of the century most people lived, if they were lucky to late 40's. Now today, thanks to medicine, people are able to live on average till they are in their 70's. So to say medicine is backwards is completely incorrect. Just ask the female that is able to have pain killers during childbirth how backwards medicine is. Or a person that is about to have surgery to not have any anesthetic.


There are some things that some doctors can learn more of about human health. Such as how important diet and exercise are to a persons well being. There are some people that can learn that lesson as well. Or those that do not take care of themselves, push themselves to the breaking point and then take a five hour energy drink to go even longer instead of getting rest.

[StephenK]

Really??? Medicine is backwards today then it was at the top of the century. You do know at the top of the century most people lived, if they were lucky to late 40's. Now today, thanks to medicine, people are able to live on average till they are in their 70's.
No it's not thanks to modern medicine, it's thanks originally to better food choices and mass transportation. In order to understand what I wrote you would have to do some homework.

This book details some of the arguments at the time:
http://www.whale.to/a/b/pearson.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .whale.to%252Fa%252Fb%252Fpearson.html)

It was written in 1942 and essentially details where modern medicine went wrong. Medicine was at the crossroads of some amazing and real insight,
and then became sidetracked by the likes of Louis Pasteur.

Since then we've been confusing better nutrition with the apparent success of modern medicine. Now look what's happening now that nutrition is
nosediving. They took halfway decent foods, modified them, poisoned them, processed them over salted and sweetened them and then took
medicine and made it all about chemicals... People are in trouble, they're fatter and sicker with most medications being a waste of money and time.
(my wife is in the business and sees this all the time)

The insights that were overlooked at the time was the growing respect for the integrity of the body, and that the only viable medicine was to be
found in good nutrition. In the last ten years this understanding has been understood once again and is finding it's way into the raw movement, and is
at the very heart of the PH approach to dieting. People are starting to heal from diseases with treatments based souly on diets... these are people
that were sent home to die by the medical establishment... in the last six month I've read an endless stream of testimonials in this regard... thank
goodness there's a growing reawakening... cause for the better part of last century we were robbed of these latent insights until now...

[innerlight]

It was written in 1942..
So you are saying a book that was written in 1942 is gonna tell us all about the medicine that is going on in 2012?

[Love Wisdom Truth]

........

The only time I EVER got the flu was the one year I got the flu shot.

......

My friend told about a similar case. His friend never got a flu in his life until he got a flu shot. After that he started to regularly get flu each year.

[Dilchannan]

I sometimes wonder about the vaccines. However; in America our children must be vaccinated to attend public schools. I was quite shocked when I was told since my daughter had not had the chicken pocks yet, she had to have the "new" vaccine. What was so bad about the chicken pocks. We all had them, even my son who was born 6 yrs earlier than her.

I do believe that we have to get back to a more balanced, nutritional eating lifestyle. More vegies, lean meats, fresh fruits, nothing out of a box, or a can. I know from personal experience that eating healthier will reverse type II diabetes. I no longer need to take medication for that, or high blood pressure.

Modern medicine has its place and saves lives everyday, but I feel that if we take precautions, and live a healthier lifestyle, one will not need to see the Dr so often.

Peace

[sesheta]

A great site I found for natural remedies - loads of information:

www.earthclinic.com

[CuriousSnowflake]

But if you do what they're telling you to do, without all the info, then you are playing dice with your childrens health:

http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/vaccines.htm (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.shirleys -wellness-cafe.com%252525252Fvaccines.htm)

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And yet another good site on the subject:

THE VACCINATION RACKET
http://www.whale.to/b/hoax1.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fredir.php%25253Flink%25253Dhttp %2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.spiritualforums.com %2525252Fvb%2525252Fredir.php%2525253Flink%2525253 Dhttp%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.whale.to %252525252Fb%252525252Fhoax1.html)
Oh, I agree that the Western view of medicine is greedy, shortsighted, and has all the subtlety of a bull in a china shop. I also agree that some of these vaccines have been around, unchanged, for half a century, and it is time to reexamine them. I knew all this going into being a father, and the math is still the same for me now as it was then; Tiny chance of problems vs. protecting my kids from diseases that could hospitalize, paralyze, or kill them. No brainer.

CS

[sound]

I remember being required to critique a newspaper article when i was studying years ago, and one of the points i raised was that many parents who choose not to immunize their children have, in the past, readily undertaken vaccination themselves prior to travelling to particular countries where there is a high risk of contracting a disease ...

[DebbyM]

I'm not sure about what the law says, but I fully intend to breastfeed my kids. I have a fantastic immune system, and the antibodies will be passed to my child.

The only time I EVER got the flu was the one year I got the flu shot.

I know that not every immunity can be passed to the child, but I hope that the vaccinations that are required by law, (IE: If I do not get it, family services will take my child) will have a good footing, so he or she will not catch something secondary while trying to fight off the virus injected into the body.


Good for you for planning to breastfeed! Every baby should have that start. But think about this: the pharmaceutical companies are suggesting that breastfeeding should be delayed/discouraged because apparently to do so inhibits the efficacy of their vaccines.

http://docakilah.wordpress.com/2012/01/23/scientists-say-delay-breastfeeding-to-improve-vaccine-potency/

and also this one which is a government site:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20442687

So this is what they would like moms to do. Don't breastfeed, vaccinate your kids with ? (many of which contain toxic mercury and who knows what else) and feed them formula made of soy (which is chock full of all kinds of harmful things, not to mention that most of it is GM and has been liberally sprayed with Round-up while it's growing). Don't you get all warm and fuzzy just thinking about how the FDA is taking care of you?

[DebbyM]

I remember being required to critique a newspaper article when i was studying years ago, and one of the points i raised was that many parents who choose not to immunize their children have, in the past, readily undertaken vaccination themselves prior to travelling to particular countries where there is a high risk of contracting a disease ...

That was years ago, and we the public weren't as aware as we are now, that there are inherent dangers in these things and we also didn't know how the pharmecuetical companies manipulate their studies, 'manage' doctors educations, and how little the FDA actually does to protect the public. So to point at those parents who, so many years ago got vaccinations but now won't let their children be innoculated proves very little. Well, actually it proves that they've been looking into it and don't like what they've learned.

[StephenK]

So you are saying a book that was written in 1942 is gonna tell us all about the medicine that is going on in 2012?
The book is pointing out where the split formed between the promise of individualized and self determinate health care, and the what became
the corporate, heartless, chemical dependent process that we have instead today.

To see how this would have played itself out across-the-board, from that point, for pretty much everyone, take the time you didn't use to read the
book that I pointed to and listen to this interview instead.

This doctors experience is becoming more common as more and more "doctors" step away from current practice of ignoring the integrity of ones body:

here's the link to the interview:
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[StephenK]

That was years ago, and we the public weren't as aware as we are now, that there are inherent dangers in these things and we also didn't know how the pharmecuetical companies manipulate their studies, 'manage' doctors educations, and how little the FDA actually does to protect the public. So to point at those parents who, so many years ago got vaccinations but now won't let their children be innoculated proves very little. Well, actually it proves that they've been looking into it and don't like what they've learned.
Bingo! :^)

[StephenK]

I knew all this going into being a father, and the math is still the same for me now as it was then; Tiny chance of problems vs. protecting my kids from diseases that could hospitalize, paralyze, or kill them. No brainer.
CS
Hmmmm.. "hospitalize, paralyze, or kill them." haven't you been reading the postings in this thread? This is what's happening to many of the kids who
are taking these shots....