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Amilius777
14-12-2011, 01:03 AM
Here is the excerpt from Yogananda's death- it questions the health, diet, and Kriya Yoga that Yogananda spread through the SRF. It is not that Kriya Yoga is proven to be something bad, or other practicioners are liars and I am not claiming Yogananda to be a fraud. But I am showing how we don't need the guru. We have ourselves! We are already free souls in God! Follow your inner self and you will find God/Christ/Holy Spirit/Buddha or whatever you call it-

Yogananda's Incorruptibility After Death SRF Myth

In an article which appeared in the Rational Enquirer, The Skeptics'
Newsletter for Western Canada, Leonard Angel, a professor of
philosophy at the University of Columbia, recounts how he
investigated the miracle which is reported in almost every Yogananda
publication put out by the Self Realization Fellowship (SRF), the
society founded and organised by Yogananda to propagate his
teachings:

" After Death the Body of Paramahansa Yogananda Manifested a
Phenomenal State of Immutability. " The story in Self-Realization
Magazine (Los Angeles) May 1952 issue; and in the national news
weekly Time, August 4, 1952 reported that:

" The great world teacher demonstrated the value of yoga (scientific
techniques for God-realization) not only in life but in death. Weeks
after his departure his unchanged face shone with the divine light
luster of incorruptibility. Mr. Harry Rowe, Los Angeles Mortuary
Director, Forest Lawn Memorial-Park (in which the great master is
temporarily placed) sent Self-Realization Fellowship a notarized
letter from which the following extracts are taken:

The absence of any visual signs of decay in the dead body of
Paramahansa Yogananda offers the most extraordinary case in our
experience...No physical disintegration was visible even twenty days
after death...No indication of mould was visible on his skin, and no
visible desiccation (drying up) took place in the bodily tissues.
This state of perfect preservation of a body is, so far as we know
from mortuary annals, an unparalleled one...At the time of receiving
Yogananda`s body, the mortuary personnel expected to observe,
through the glass lid of the casket, the usual progressive signs of
bodily decay. Our astonishment increased day after day without
bringing any visible change in the body under observation.
Yogananda's body was apparently in a phenomenal state of
immutability...No odour of decay emanated from his body at any
time...The physical appearance of Yogananda on March 27th, just
before the bronze cover of the casket was put into position, was the
same as it had been on March 7th. "

Professor Angel was impressed, but not convinced. He obtained a copy
of Yogananda's death certificate from the Los Angeles Department of
Vital Statistics which confirmed that Yogananda had died on March
7th, the certificate of death being received by the registrar on
March 11 1952. However, the certificate also bore the
signature " Kenneth I. Johnson " , and the number 2641. It was
contained in box #21, above which were the words " Signature of
embalmer. "

Confirmation that Yogananda had in fact been embalmed was found in
the full text of Harry Rowe's letter in a little booklet entitled
Paramahansa Yogananda, In Memoriam, put out by the Self-Realization
Fellowship. It reads,

" Paramahansa Yogananda's body was embalmed an the night of March
8th, with that quantity of fluid which is customarily used in any
body of similar size. "

So what was the miracle?

According to the full text of Harry Rowe's letter the astonishment
was only due to the fact that the funeral home staff had not used
any creams in addition to the embalming fluid - a creamy pore-
sealing emulsion that temporarily prevents the outward appearance of
mould.

A check with two independent licensed embalmers elicited the
following comments,

" I'm sure we've had bodies for two or three months with good
preservation. This is not unusual. Creams are not necessary " ,
and " ...that preservation for 20 days through embalming is not
unusual. We can keep a body a month or two without interral…an
embalming fluid with a lanolin base will have humecant which
prevents dehydration, which is the major concern...a heavy glass lid
as is described by Mr Rowe as being present on the casket, would
prevent a great amount of air circulation, and that in itself would
prevent most desiccation, so that would account for it. "

Far from being " a demonstration of yogic powers " , " a phenomenal
state of immutability " or " a miracle through the grace of the
Heavenly Father " , it seems that any perception that a miracle had
occurred was simply the result of misleading selections taken from a
misleading letter.

-- excerpt from " Incorruptibility: Miracle or Myth? " , Harry Edwards,
November 1995

www.adam.com.au/bstett/Pa...bility.htm (http://www.adam.com.au/bstett/Pa...bility.htm)


The statement of the director of Forest Lawn, Harry T. Rowe, is
accurate, but incomplete. Mr. Rowe also mentioned that he observed a
brown spot on Yogananda's nose after 20 days, as sign that the body
was not " perfectly " preserved. In any case, the SRF's claim that
lack of physical disintegration is " an extraordinary phenomenon " is
misleading. (One wonders how much digging into the mortuary annals
they did. Very little, I imagine.) The state of the yogi's body is
not unparalleled, but common. A typical embalmed body will show no
notable desiccation for one to five months after burial without the
use of refrigeration or creams to mask odors. According to Jesus
Preciado, who has been in the mortuary business for thirty
years, " in general, the less pronounced the pathology [at the time
of death], the less notable are the symptoms of necrosis. " Some
bodies are well-preserved for years after burial (personal
correspondence, Mike Drake). Some, under extraordinary conditions,
are well-preserved for hundreds, even thousands, of years.

-- excerpt from " Incorruptible Bodies " , Robert Todd Carroll

skepdic.com/incorrupt.html


Yogananda (1893-1952) died at age 59 of a heart attack (which was
the official cause of death) after giving a speech at the Biltmore
Hotel to welcome India's visiting ambassador. Yogananda's health was
deteriorating rapidly at the time, and he was in a particularly
weakened state, so it's not much of a surprise that he would
collapse after straining himself in such a way. Nevertheless, the
faithful view his " collapsing on the ground as his heart gave out
from more strain than it could handle " as Mahasamadhi -- a magical,
conscious floating away to some sort of heaven.

An interesting note here is that the average male life expectancy
for someone living in the United States circa 1950 was 66 years.
Evidently Yogananda's ideas on diet and health weren't exactly
sound, since he couldn't even manage to live as long as the average
beer drinking, cigar smoking, red meat eating American male during
the 50's. A little more solid protein in his diet probably would
have helped.

More importantly, his meditations claimed to rejuvenate the cells of
the body with magical pranic energy channeled in from the medulla
oblongata. His 'Hong Sau' meditation in particular, ironically
claimed to have the ability to rest the heart. Well, I think it's
clear that his heart didn't actually benefit in such ways.

Nevertheless, people continue to do the robot dance (aka
Energization Exercises), Hong Sau, Aum, and the hissing throat
ritual called Kriya. No one ever benefits, no one ever gains health
benefits, no one finds Enlightenment (which is the Eastern version
of Heaven or Disneyland). And no one connects the dots and actually
stops and thinks.

The show must go on I suppose.

" Mundus vult decipi. " (The world wants to be deceived.)

" Homo vult decipi; decipiatur. " (Man wishes to be deceived; deceive
him.)

Adrienne
09-09-2012, 03:32 PM
Interesting........ surprised there were no comments to this

psychoslice
09-09-2012, 10:46 PM
I don't swollow the story at all, their always pulling tricks in India, and this just another one, the body is not who we are, so why fuss over it,

Xan
09-09-2012, 10:54 PM
I'm with Mr. Slice... Why get involved in hearsay? If you want to know who Yogananda was and is, investigate his teachings for yourself.

btw... Some people find gurus highly valuable for some periods of their lives (as I have) and some don't seem to. There's no blanket rule for all.


Xan

Amilius777
13-09-2012, 05:50 AM
There is an entire website and forum called THE SRF Blacklisted. It has a lot of ex-members of Yogananda's cult and Ashram. And it has postings of all the atrocious things Yogananda did behind closed doors. You should all google SRF Blacklisted. It is pretty awful. And on top of that there is a book called Mejda which pretty much contradicts Yogananda's life and Autobiography. Along with that his contemporary Satyananda has a book on who Yogananda really was. His master Yukteswar did not like him and found him to be an egotistical student who knew spellbinding methods and magic tricks. Everything in Autobiography of a Yogi is pretty much made up. Even the Vedanta Society has a lot of negativity towards Yogananda. After all the research I have done he seems like a huge False Prophet. Figures. And it disappointed me to the core.

Xan
13-09-2012, 08:16 AM
Amilius... I don't know why you are so intrigued by this blacklisting. A guru I was with for some years got the same kind of treatment and worse, debunking claims that he never actually made. I know for a fact that all of it was distortion.

People who live from and speak about the Truth often bring up unconscious fear in people, which may get expressed in aggressive ways.

Perhaps if you got interested in how this or some other spiritual teacher may help to open your mind and heart - which is their real function - instead of this fascination you might be quite surprised in your own growth and development.


Xan

alamode
13-09-2012, 03:58 PM
A guru I was with for some years got the same kind of treatment and worse, debunking claims that he never actually made. I know for a fact that all of it was distortion.

People who live from and speak about the Truth often bring up unconscious fear in people, which may get expressed in aggressive ways.

Good point. This is also a very common thing that happens to people in the natural healing fields who speak the truth and then big corporations try to shut them down and "debunk" them because big corporations fear losing their sales and profits when people find out the truth.

Mountain-Goat
13-09-2012, 04:12 PM
Xan, instead of speculating about someone, you could ask them, especially since they are standing right in front of you.
But if you did that, then the opportunity to express, what appears to me to be, your low opinion of their spirituality would be lost.

alamode
13-09-2012, 09:06 PM
Xan, instead of speculating about someone, you could ask them, especially since they are standing right in front of you.
But if you did that, then the opportunity to express, what appears to me to be, your low opinion of their spirituality would be lost.

I know this wasn't directed at me but I'm re-reading everything over and am totally confused at what you are talking about. What exactly is Xan speculating and what exactly should Xan have asked, in your opinion?

Mountain-Goat
13-09-2012, 10:16 PM
What exactly is Xan speculating, in your opinion? People who live from and speak about the Truth often bring up unconscious fear in people, which may get expressed in aggressive ways. Xan say people who condemn aspects of guru behavior do so from unconscious fears, and they are aggressive about it.
And perhaps Xan infer Amilius is also one of these people.
Perhaps if you got interested in how this or some other spiritual teacher may help to open your mind and heart - which is their real function - instead of this fascination you might be quite surprised in your own growth and development. Xan say Amilius have closed mind and heart that guru can help open,
even though Amilius express genuine concerns about behavior of guru.
Though Xan not enquire about these.
Xan say guru real function to help people, though say nothing about guru imperfect person just like everyone else and is capable of socially unacceptable things.
But Xan not say this, just guru help people.
Xan not remember Beatles experience with norty Indian guru.
Xan also say Amilius' fascination with potential bad guru behaviour waste of time for Amilius' spiritual journey,
that Amilius should drop that and surrender to guru master, regardless of Amilius' genuine concerns.
and what exactly should Xan have asked, in your opinion? Amilius... I don't know why you are so intrigued by this blacklisting. Xan wonder, but not ask.

Xan
14-09-2012, 01:56 AM
Oh, it's just AC's game of twisting people's words and meanings, Alamode. No biggy.


Xan

Amilius777
14-09-2012, 05:49 AM
No I completely understand what AC is saying.

A lot of things caused me to hunt down and research Yogananda. At first I blindingly accepted everything he said as fact because of how colorful and wonderful he said things. A psychic I went to told me not to bother with Yogananda or any guru and sensed Yogananda was corrupted, egotistical, and stole other people's work.

I shrugged this off thinking this was just some sort of competition between clairvoyance and Guru-hood. But then I started noticing some strange claims by Yogananda. A lot of them sex, health, and diet concerns. I can find more demonizing of sexuality and sexual activity in all of Yogananda's books than I can in the Catholic Church. I also find made up diet plans and false ideas about health. I began researching and discovered a few legal documents online against Yogananda and his SRF Ashram which included strange activity with women. That was odd. It was not until I found another biography written by Yogananda's contemporary from India that spilled the beans. If you read the book it contains Yogananda's self-proclamation as a "Paramahansa", his blackmailing of other Swamis, and even betraying his own master Yukteswar. This was devastating to me. It just got worse as I read more things on how Yogananda claimed to be the Avatar of the New Age and supposedly died in mahasamadhi. This is all false. Yogananda dropped dead on stage during a lecture because of a heart attack caused by obesity. His followers faked an entire miracle of incorruptibility in which his body did not waste away for 20 days. According to the mortician this is not a miracle but a natural occurrence seen in a lot of people and the SRF made up the entire scenario. Medical doctors say that Yogananda died because of obesity and many other health problems he was suffering from and lying to his disciples.

Mountain-Goat
14-09-2012, 02:37 PM
Oh, it's just AC's game of twisting people's words and meanings, Alamode. No biggy.
"The truth you believe and cling to makes you unavailable to hear anything new." - Pema Chodron
connects to...
"We experience what we believe. You are free to believe what you choose and what you do attests to what you believe." - A Course of Miracles
...connects to...
"We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts we make our world." - Buddha

And speaking of gifts Xan...on the 21st...wait...~looks at calender~...OH EM GEE! only 7 more sleeps to go...
on the 21st i have a gift for you, Mathew, rsingh and others of this genus...i think you guys will appreciate it. <--note i said "think" and not "know"

Capacity
14-09-2012, 03:01 PM
I haven't had time to read the whole thread but having read autiobiography of a Yogi, I gotta say that it was pretty cool.
Back then, when i read it, I was like this is it. Now I see it as the power of the mind.

Miss Hepburn
14-09-2012, 03:04 PM
I usually want to know the absolute truth about anything.
But seeing the title, I don't want any bubble burst regarding my respect for
Paramahansa.
Haven't read a word here...just my 2 cents of a diff perspective.

Mountain-Goat
14-09-2012, 03:42 PM
No I completely understand what AC is saying.

A lot of things caused me to hunt down and research Yogananda. At first I blindingly accepted everything he said as fact because of how colorful and wonderful he said things. A psychic I went to told me not to bother with Yogananda or any guru and sensed Yogananda was corrupted, egotistical, and stole other people's work.

I shrugged this off thinking this was just some sort of competition between clairvoyance and Guru-hood. But then I started noticing some strange claims by Yogananda. A lot of them sex, health, and diet concerns. I can find more demonizing of sexuality and sexual activity in all of Yogananda's books than I can in the Catholic Church. I also find made up diet plans and false ideas about health. I began researching and discovered a few legal documents online against Yogananda and his SRF Ashram which included strange activity with women. That was odd. It was not until I found another biography written by Yogananda's contemporary from India that spilled the beans. If you read the book it contains Yogananda's self-proclamation as a "Paramahansa", his blackmailing of other Swamis, and even betraying his own master Yukteswar. This was devastating to me. It just got worse as I read more things on how Yogananda claimed to be the Avatar of the New Age and supposedly died in mahasamadhi. This is all false. Yogananda dropped dead on stage during a lecture because of a heart attack caused by obesity. His followers faked an entire miracle of incorruptibility in which his body did not waste away for 20 days. According to the mortician this is not a miracle but a natural occurrence seen in a lot of people and the SRF made up the entire scenario. Medical doctors say that Yogananda died because of obesity and many other health problems he was suffering from and lying to his disciples.
I left the religion of christianity much the same way Amilius777.
I had no spiritual experiences or upbringing, and then became a born again christian in my early 20's.
It was all new and exiting, oooh, eternity, an all loving god, god and the devil fighting over us explained the mess the world was in etc etc etc.

But i began seeing things that didn't add up, but dismissed all of them as i continued to blindly believe.
But s the years went by, those niggly little glitches in the chritian matrix kept coming into my mind,
so after 10 years, i began deeply exploring instead of remaining a surface dwelling pew sitting automaton.

Like you i used my "god given" ability to think for myself, to reason, to check, to question,
and stop dismissing what i saw as flagrant errors in the coding.

I began to trust my own discerment instead of allowing others to tell me what to believe in,
especially the ones who spoke "colorfully and wonderfully" as you put it.

The thing i notice a lot with religions and cults and any form of group such as these,
is the seduction is generally at the emotional level.
God loves you, you will live forever, enlightenement means no more pain, you will be ascended like the gods or higher life forms, ascended masters.
Basically the promise of pleasure/bliss and the reduction/removal of pain.

But as soon as you employ reasoning/analytical thought/deductive and inductive reasoning/etc,
that's when you break free from the seductive hold, that's when you begin to see the glitches in the matrix of their belief system.

That's why they constantly go on about how norty thinking is, because thinking will expose the illusion.
And there's nothing more disheartening than to see your perfect blissful world destroyed and to be exposed as an illusion no less.

The real world is harsh and painful sometimes, no wonder many choose to reciol from it into a illusory world of happy happy joy joy,
where, from the eastern sector( not all of the philosophies though), the emphasis is on
- you don't exist...aka no more suffering.
- you are not the mind body, you are pure love.
- this world, your individual self that thinks and feels is all illusion
- surrender and accept who you really are, god that is love, anything alse and you are decieiving yourself, you are in an illusion.

Which i find the funniest because they do not realize they are the one's in an illusory world.
That when they say this existance is an illusion, and that the self that thinks and feels is all illusion,
but then they try to seduce at the emotional level proclaiming bliss awaits.
Bliss - a rather extreme version of happiness.. an emotion.

And as you may have seen here in SF, these people who are in self trapped
in these belief systems always use as their last line of defence,
"Oh the mind/mind body/intellect cannot fathom this glorious truth"
or...
"You are still down there stuck in your ego, you cannot comprehend this glorious truth."

I for one, thankyou for your OP and discussion, and bow in recognition of your ability and usage of independent rational an critical thought.

Xan
15-09-2012, 03:59 AM
Amilius... If Yogananda has become all this negative stuff in your mind I suggest you stay away from him.

Except more than likely those parts of your subconscious mind will find another repository. The mind can be so tricky.


blessings
Xan

psychoslice
15-09-2012, 06:50 AM
Na, Yogananda never did much for me personally.

Xan
15-09-2012, 04:00 PM
I feel his love, clarity and purity, someone else feels something else. It's all in what you're looking for, I guess.


Xan