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Wind of Grace
18-03-2007, 05:24 PM
* My own perspective * :smile:


To live through life, seeking to have our needs met through the active participation of others, is like riding a stationary bike. It's like planting an orange tree in a shadowed area; it shall never bear fruit.

We have forgotten how to fill our own needs. We have forgotten what it means to be independent and whole. We often seek acknowledgement, love, and acceptance by people pleasing, and hiding what we really think and feel, just so we can fit in.
Many of us abstain from living the life that we dream of living, for fear that we might end up being rejected and alone.

What if we were alone? Can we live in the joy of being in our own company ? Have we learned to embrace and love ourselves so as to stand confidently, firmly and freely in the total beauty of who we truly are ? Can we spread our wings and fly out of reach from the judgements of others ?


Love & Hugs, Wind of Grace xo....:hug3:

kris
18-03-2007, 08:04 PM
We need to understand our place and role in the world to answer your questions. What if we were alone?How can "we" be alone? Can we live in the joy of being in our own company?Company, by definition, means there is someone else around. We need to understand who that someone else is and how he relates to us. Have we learned to embrace and love ourselves so as to stand confidently, firmly and freely in the total beauty of who we truly are? Clearly not if we ask the next question. :smile: Can we spread our wings and fly out of reach from the judgements of others?Yes, but it is not easy.

If you know what your position is the world is, these questions will all be answered.

Wind of Grace
19-03-2007, 03:13 AM
* Can ''We'' as individuals ......

* Keeping oneself company = (an expression from my neck of the woods :)

I hope this helps xo....

Love & Hugs, Wind of Grace xo.... :)

angelicious
19-03-2007, 06:18 AM
* My own perspective * :smile:


To live through life, seeking to have our needs met through the active participation of others, is like riding a stationary bike. It's like planting an orange tree in a shadowed area; it shall never bear fruit.

We have forgotten how to fill our own needs. We have forgotten what it means to be independent and whole. We often seek aknowledgement, love, and acceptance by people pleasing, and hiding what we really think and feel, just so we can fit in.
Many of us abstain from living the life that we dream of living, for fear that we might end up being rejected and alone.

What if we were alone? Can we live in the joy of being in our own company ? Have we learned to embrace and love ourselves so as to stand confidently, firmly and freely in the total beauty of who we truly are ? Can we spread our wings and fly out of reach from the judgements of others ?


Love & Hugs, Wind of Grace xo....:hug3:

Kia ora, hello,

I'm not sure who the "we" & the "us" are that you refer to in "your perspective" but I do know it doesn't refer to me or those around me. :D

I love my own company (I Rock, grins), and I love the company of others. I don't "need" to seek companionship, people sense my independent, non-expectational persona and are naturally drawn to me. I attract what I reflect back to the world and it's all good.

Have faith in your fellow man, focus on the "us" and the "we" who are living the truth right now. Perceiving a needy society reflects an aspect of the perceiver that has yet to be accepted and loved. Approval begins at home (within).

cweiters
19-03-2007, 12:54 PM
Kris I don't understand what you mean when you say position in the world can you give me an example. The reason I ask because positions seem to change imo.

love to all cw

Wind of Grace
19-03-2007, 04:51 PM
WOW..... Sounds to me like you are more than comfortable in your own skin :hug2: and HAPPY TOO !!!! I started this thread wondering about some people, and how they may not have found the tools yet to be living their lives in total respect of who they truly are, at all times. It does take courage sometimes, to learn to bypass the judgements of others. It is not always an easy task, but it certainly is do-able :smile: To fill ones own needs is also a step by step process. If one realizes that know one can ever know them better than they can know themselves, this to me, is the most important realization on the path to understanding that only we know what we truly need, and what is best for us. When we start to fill our own holes, we will one day reach the state of being whole, and with that comes ultimate freedom and everlasting happiness.... :sunny: One tool that I found helpful along my personal path was to remember that others will ALWAYS think what they think. I could NEVER have any control over the thoughts and opinions of others. If I was to live my life worrying about what others were thinking, I would never be able to spread my wings in order to fly freely and happily in the direction of my own choosing. Today my wings are open and operable, I glide through life with ease and without concern...... :angel9:


Love & Hugs to all, Wind of Grace xo....:hug3:

kris
20-03-2007, 12:22 AM
Kris I don't understand what you mean when you say position in the world can you give me an example. The reason I ask because positions seem to change imo.

love to all cwWe need to unerstand how we, and others also, relate to the world and to each other. We need to know what is our place in the world. We need to know what is our role in the world. I think that our intrinsic connection to the world and to others does not change at some level. I am not sure if I have made myself any clearer to you. But I am glad you are interested. I have discussed some ideas about these questions at my homepage.

Roo
20-03-2007, 01:22 AM
I think true wholeness is beyond positions or roles...more than these things...if our place/role is what defines us as individuals, we become limited/less whole. Besides, most of us "switch hats" so to speak depending on who we're around. We play multiple roles, and change positions and perspective as situations evolve. Wholeness, being All of these things, requires understanding All of them.

angelicious
20-03-2007, 08:15 AM
"....thy faith hath made thee whole." (Matt. 9:22)


I find having faith in God, faith in my fellow man, and faith in myself, I am whole. :D

TzuJanLi
20-03-2007, 12:28 PM
Greetings..

We cannot separate ourselves from our environment, including those that share it.. we can understand our relationship with the Whole that IS our environment.. Wholeness, even when only in the company of ourselves, is still an understanding of the process which includes all things..

I can find comfort with my own counsel, but.. that counsel includes my relationship with all that is.. even in physical isolation, my soul is still alive with "the Great Spirit, we can deny the connection, but we cannot break it..

True wholeness is accepting one's place in the Cosmos, and contributing to its well-being..

Be Well..

cweiters
20-03-2007, 02:08 PM
I want to understand these terms place and position as it relates to spirituality.

True wholeness is accepting one's place in the Cosmos, and contributing to its well-being..


If we are a whole, the way I see it is; no matter how you slice a pie it is still a pie.

Why view spirituality as if it is set up like our society with levels and positions of superiority, heroes and zero's. I believe those who treat all creation as equal enjoy the power of peace.

I appreciate the difference in opinion, this is why I seek to understand, because in many cases here on SF I found it was my perception that needed adjusting.

Love to all
cw

TzuJanLi
20-03-2007, 02:13 PM
Greetings..


Why view spirituality as if it is set up like our society with levels and positions of superiority, heroes and zero's. I believe those who treat all creation as equal enjoy the power of peace.


Nicely articulated, cweiters.. thanks

Be well..

Wind of Grace
20-03-2007, 03:39 PM
For me, spirituality is simply a term. I believe that everything is spiritual. It is not a path, nor is it a ladder that we can climb in order to deepen our understanding of who we are, and the reason why we reside in this world. Our true nature, outside of that which is physical, (although physical is spiritual too), is abstract. The word spiritual often refers to that which cannot be seen, but can be experienced and felt through the heart; the seat of our soul. I do not believe in what is termed "spiritual growth". This world is here to enable us to enjoy the experience and adventure of living in a 3-D setting, in all equality, plain and simple. No one better, no one worse, we are all on our own unique adventure that we can share by interracting with eachother. I see the Earth and all of her inhabitants as one massive round diamond with as many facets as there are faces for each of us. No one facet is larger or smaller, but it is singular, in that each one occupies its own unique space. Each person is a carrier of truth. Each person is a singularly unique expression of the whole of who we are. We are Source, Essence...... It is impossible to be above or below. We reside side by side in a permanent state of equality. I believe that this most beautiful of diamonds in the sky will shine brighter and brighter, as each facet.....each marvelous face.....continues to discover the preciousness of their own unique and wondrous being.


Love & Hugs, Wind of Grace xo.... :hug3:

angelicious
21-03-2007, 06:43 AM
I'm loving the way you describe spirituality Wind of Grace. It created a great visual for me, thanks.