Spiritual Masters (Guru) and Aspergers?

[WiseMaster]

so ive been doing a bit of reading and apparently people who are born with the genetic autism gene or aspergers seem to have VERY a similar personality to those of spiritual masters and gurus.

so what is your opinion?

any other aspies out there who can relate? (im an aspie)

also, meditating seems to come quite easily to these types of people, most likely because we have this ability to focus on just one specific thing and clear our mind of other things, and also have really great visual thinking and logic. :angel5:
so perhaps if i was born in an earlier life, i wouldve been a spiritual master?

[Humm]

...so perhaps if i was born in an earlier life, i wouldve been a spiritual master?
Possibly - but if it is true we are all One in Higher Consciousness, then it is true that we ALL were! :D

[Enya]

I don't think you can generalise over-much about these categories... someone with Aspergers might just as well become a captain of industry or a dictator, where the ability to focus and difficulty with socialisation can produce a driven individual... Also, to become a spiritual master requires an understanding of connection and compassion which, no offence intended, many Aspergers people have difficulty with. I suppose it depends on how you define a 'spiritual master'. :smile:

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

I don't think you can generalise over-much about these categories... someone with Aspergers might just as well become a captain of industry or a dictator, where the ability to focus and difficulty with socialisation can produce a driven individual... Also, to become a spiritual master requires an understanding of connection and compassion which, no offence intended, many Aspergers people have difficulty with. I suppose it depends on how you define a 'spiritual master'. :smile:

I wouldn't have thought that there's a functional connection between the two, but I'm not an expert about either. Aspergers and savants tend to lack some degree of emotional functioning. Maybe they are beings with less active emotional bodies... less connecting with others, but therefore less potential interference and baggage to deal with....seems like those two might cancel each other out and leave such people more or less the same as everyone else , as far as capacity to 'be spiritual' .

two cents :glasses2:

[Love Wisdom Truth]

so ive been doing a bit of reading and apparently people who are born with the genetic autism gene or aspergers seem to have VERY a similar personality to those of spiritual masters and gurus.

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It is not that simple to become a master/guru. Tons of work, education and many reincarnations are needed. Not to mantion the burden the master has to carry while uplifting his desciples.
Don't focus on the gene topic if you are looking for the answer, but continue educating yourself, and do the will of God. In that way you have excellent chances to grow. When you become ready to become a master/guru they will let you know.

Blessings

[mistinrain]

Aspergers have emotions they just dont emote the same as people without aspergers. This is a common misconception. People with aspergers are also deeply emotional. They connect with others but do not show it on their face or connect in the same way. For instance someone with aspergers might see the sadness in a person while normies just see the anger.

[Enya]

Thanks for the clarification, Mistinrain. :hug:

[Swami Chihuahuananda]

Thanks for the clarification, Mistinrain. :hug:
Yep, shows ya how much I (don't) know. :glasses2:

[WhiteWarrior]

And not all Aspergers are the same. I am one. You might not notice it for months even if we shared a workplace. Then you might notice that I don't ever share much personal info or pick up body language well or have any close friends, but stuff knows a lot about extremely obscure things and readily talks about that. Or that I multitask so badly, it is more like solotasking.

[WiseMaster]

okay just to clear things up i have more of the higher-functioning aspergers, so i am quite normal, but still have the gene. I only just found out last week and it explains alot about myself, and the social awkardness during highschool etc etc.

yes we are VERY emotional, but we have trouble sort of expressing what we are feeling.

and im not saying that I AM a spiritual master, but i have always thought of myself as a teacher, and helping others.

peace

[Neville]

I am not sure personally, There does seem to be on here, among the high minded (and meant in the nicest possible way) a tendency that verges on OCD in the respect that to them, it seems a matter of life and death to get their message out to the masses. I'm not knocking it, because when I have a message to share wth the masses, I'd be something of a hypocryt to point this out in others. So you see, the point you are attempting to make is not entirely wasted to me :hug2:

[DulcePoetica]

I think that Aspergers is only in the early phases of understanding. I personally think it is not a disorder at all. I have been contemplating the possibility that it is instead, a new kind of intelligence more representative of how the human mind will function in the not-so-distant future.

It makes sense to me that a mind free of emotional clutter and social constructs would be an important quality for a spiritually based existence. In fact, there are studies attempting to discover a link between Aspergers and psi phenomena, because, again, without the inconvienience of preconceptions, life can be experienced more fully.

As to the "does not recognize social cues" myth... Contemplating how other people feel or might feel about something is wasted energy in my opinion. It is not that I am not aware of other people's feelings, it is that they are irrelevant to me. And my own personal feelings are more of a self diagnostic tool than a reality in which I should attempt to live my life. I don't understand why supposedly normal people are so concerned with emotions, which are transient and misleading most of the time. I look forward to a society that can see through them the way I do. I am aware that this sounds offensive to most normal people, but the irony is, I don't care because it makes perfect sense to me.

In fact, most of the diagnostic criteria for Aspergers is how a person reacts in the context of how society expects a person to react. A doctor observes children in a social setting and the child that does not assimilate to the group is labeled with a disorder, while no one seems concerned at all with what the child is doing instead. Such as problem solving, trying to communicate a message, building something, satisfying a curiosity, etc.

The fact that no one concerns themselves with what a child feels inspired/compelled to do independent of social pressure seems much more problematic to forging genuine human connections than a child not automatically knowing what people expect him or her to do or say in specific circumstances.

This "disorder" in particular is almost exclusively categorized by a person being difficult to manage in a group setting, be it a classroom or an office. Most Aspergers people I know are highly intelligent individuals who live outside the delusion that assimilation is necessary or even desirable.

[WiseMaster]

I think that Aspergers is only in the early phases of understanding. I personally think it is not a disorder at all. I have been contemplating the possibility that it is instead, a new kind of intelligence more representative of how the human mind will function in the not-so-distant future.

It makes sense to me that a mind free of emotional clutter and social constructs would be an important quality for a spiritually based existence. In fact, there are studies attempting to discover a link between Aspergers and psi phenomena, because, again, without the inconvienience of preconceptions, life can be experienced more fully.

As to the "does not recognize social cues" myth... Contemplating how other people feel or might feel about something is wasted energy in my opinion. It is not that I am not aware of other people's feelings, it is that they are irrelevant to me. And my own personal feelings are more of a self diagnostic tool than a reality in which I should attempt to live my life. I don't understand why supposedly normal people are so concerned with emotions, which are transient and misleading most of the time. I look forward to a society that can see through them the way I do. I am aware that this sounds offensive to most normal people, but the irony is, I don't care because it makes perfect sense to me.

In fact, most of the diagnostic criteria for Aspergers is how a person reacts in the context of how society expects a person to react. A doctor observes children in a social setting and the child that does not assimilate to the group is labeled with a disorder, while no one seems concerned at all with what the child is doing instead. Such as problem solving, trying to communicate a message, building something, satisfying a curiosity, etc.

The fact that no one concerns themselves with what a child feels inspired/compelled to do independent of social pressure seems much more problematic to forging genuine human connections than a child not automatically knowing what people expect him or her to do or say in specific circumstances.

This "disorder" in particular is almost exclusively categorized by a person being difficult to manage in a group setting, be it a classroom or an office. Most Aspergers people I know are highly intelligent individuals who live outside the delusion that assimilation is necessary or even desirable.

yes i dont see it as a 'disorder.' for me i see it as a gift. i am so smart, great logic, am very sensitive/in tune with emotions but can choose whether or not to show them, great poker face lol, heightened senses, awesome memory, can focus on one thing with great conentration, great visual thinker, and the list goes on. its just we need to adjust to the 'nuero-typical' society we were born in, in terms of social interation.
and yes the only downside in my case is the extra stress. but i can manage that easily through meditation. which we are also awesome at doing. :)