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simyboye
20-02-2007, 08:19 PM
Hi there, I hope you're all well and happy?

I have a embarrasing question to ask regarding spiritual development.

I have always been an oppurtunist when it comes to life. However, I have been known to take things without consent. I have downloaded software, cd albums and take things that are not legally mine. I feel almost stupid asking this question as I know the answer. But I would like to know some peoples thoughts.

I am very aware that downloading cd's from the web, or taking something from work (cleaners etc)thats not mine is not right, and am slowly stopping. Would this stop my development in the spiritual way of life? Contacting guides and giving healing etc

Thank you, and love and light to all.
James
:icon_frown:

angelicious
20-02-2007, 09:10 PM
KIa ora, Hi,

Wow, you're brave for that confession, hahaha, and I definitely won't judge you for I too, have downloaded (music files) from the Net. I now buy the music CD's as they're getting cheaper, and I was getting tired of sorting through blank disc's trying to find songs because I was in too much of a rush to label & list them. As for taking things from work, I tend to ask there.


Spiritually, you're gonna be fine. This wont hinder your development at all.
Karma-wise? Who knows, all action has consequences whether good or bad, but hey, deal with them if and as they occur.


You've acknowledged the situation so just let your conscience guide you to your Highest good. As the saying goes..."it's never too late to change" so in your own time you'll do whats best for you and for all concerned.

ljepotica
20-02-2007, 09:42 PM
Hello James,

The fact that you've owned up is good-although I also used to download music and a few movies off the internet for free and for some reason have stopped now as don't see the point.

As Angelicious says it's never too late to change...

As for getting in the way of spiritual development I would say now that you have admitted it and want to change it just let it go in your own time-personally I'm not big on admitting that you did something and wanting to change and still feeling guilty-now I'm not trying to suggest anything here at all but there are some that do far worse in life and don't even care or realise.

If you feel bad still then talk to the angels/god/higher being/diety and tell them how you feel and tell them to help you!

None of us are perfect and we all do things that are wrong-but we're also human and also connected with forgiveness...

So don't worry about that and go on with your development...besides I didn't have money to buy cd's for some time and so I downloaded some music and to be honest I didn't feel guilty about it-perhaps I ought to but I was never a downloader of loads of music-and it's not gotten in the way of my development!

Ok then take care and lots of love,

S xxxx

kris
21-02-2007, 12:17 AM
I am very aware that downloading cd's from the web, or taking something from work thats not mine is not right, and am slowly stopping. Would this stop my development in the spiritual way of life?

Yes.

(Now how do I make my reply 10 characters long?)

jeremy67
21-02-2007, 10:43 AM
Simyboye, this life is all about learning lessons.

As long as you are sincere about the lesson you have learnt, and you truly do intend to change your behaviour, then I think you have made real spiritual progress, arguably more than if you had never "stolen" these things in the first place. Let me clarify this a little... someone who has never stolen might be at a higher spiritual level, but static. For your previous behaviour you might be a little lower, but because you're doing something about it, you are progressing. Personally, I think that starting lower and making progress is worth more in spiritual development than being high on the scale but achieveing nothing.

Congratulations, and draw something positive from this experience!

Love and Light,
Jeremy

daisy
21-02-2007, 11:51 AM
imo we are all human and entitled to 'make mistakes' it would be virtually impossible and you'd have to be a saint to make your way through life without any challenges such as temptation, greed lust etc etc they're all very human which (also imo) can only encourage spiritual growth, it's what you learn from your deeds or misdeeds rather than the act of doing them which is important, surely?
that said i'm not saying you should go out and do bad things either, this is were wisdom comes in.

ljepotica
21-02-2007, 12:04 PM
Jeremy and Daisy I agree with you 100%

Life is all about experience and learning-we all learn...if we're put in a protective atmposphere where never bad ever happens then when we leave to go to a big city-for example-then we will be shocked and find it very upsetting to live there...

IMO: those that are truly wise and intelligent learn from their mistakes and to be honest if you're brought up in a riteous (sp) way then when you do encounter something like stealing then you suffer great internal consequences...


I really doubt that spiritual development goes hand in hand with being virtuous in the sense that we do need to sometimes face temptations to see how far we have progressed and how well we're doing.

Lots of love,

S xxxx

Mandi Neill
21-02-2007, 01:07 PM
Hello there simyboye, what a brave soul you are to put such a thing out there like that. Many blessings to you. As far as your spiritual journey is concerned, first of all, the journey is yours, and the mere fact that downloading things without consent is weighing heavily on your conscience tells me that there are changes in the wind. Maybe the Universe is telling you that it is time to get a credit card...? and so the journey continues...

Moonflower
21-02-2007, 06:42 PM
Hi Simyboye

Let the person who has never picked an apple from a tree a flower from a garden that does not belong to them a ballpoint pen from an office the list can go on lol take it easy on yourself life is a continuous lesson blossom & grow.

Moonflower x

simyboye
21-02-2007, 07:07 PM
Hi there,
Your all beautiful and fantastic, thank you for your honest repiles and thoughts!

Sometimes my arms get the better of me and I can't control them (yeah right!), they wonder and do naughty things. I know it's not right. So it will stop.

Love and light to you all.
James
x

:hug:

amy green
23-02-2007, 01:29 PM
Hi Simboye - brave of you to own up! Yes, I know stealing definitely affects your vibration and what you "receive" depends on where you're currently at. Decades ago I used to shoplift, wanted to stop but couldn't (it was too easy!) - even though I only stole from shops and justified it with my low opinion on capitalists! Luckily, I went on a mystical course and was able to make the decision to stop. I wanted to feel clean, pure and I did! It was liberating not to have that kind of vague guilty cloud hang over me (after I'd steal something). Haven't looked back - it's a great feeling now to shop and know I can't be caught (because I haven't stolen anything). Hope this helps -making the decision to become purer is always a good, progressive step spiritually.

Ascended Master
25-02-2007, 12:48 AM
Hi James,

I'd probably laugh if you told me you'd downloaded a CD illegally! lol - so I'd still help you to develop! Which you would?
And I'd also probably ask you for a copy, if it was any good?! :D

I think people are right in saying that it is best to remain mindful of such things. And I also think it is right to try and do everything better.
But I would certainly not beat myself up over it, because you could be doing much worse things you will have to learn from!

Maybe in your next life you will be a rock star, while a man sits on the other side of the planet and listens to your music for free? :wink:

Love and light to you too...

AM

Ascended Master
25-02-2007, 12:52 AM
Hi Simboye - brave of you to own up! Yes, I know stealing definitely affects your vibration and what you "receive" depends on where you're currently at. Decades ago I used to shoplift, wanted to stop but couldn't (it was too easy!) - even though I only stole from shops and justified it with my low opinion on capitalists! Luckily, I went on a mystical course and was able to make the decision to stop. I wanted to feel clean, pure and I did! It was liberating not to have that kind of vague guilty cloud hang over me (after I'd steal something). Haven't looked back - it's a great feeling now to shop and know I can't be caught (because I haven't stolen anything). Hope this helps -making the decision to become purer is always a good, progressive step spiritually.

Legendary response!
Love and light,
AM

Mandi Neill
25-02-2007, 04:20 AM
Alright, I'm doing homework at my desk and a little sound plays whenever I get an e-mail, so I hear the little sound, and Ascended Master has replied to my reply. Thank you for the love and light.

Here is my situation... First of all, I usually have a candle burning all night. My normal routine is to put it out when I get up, but this morning, I slept in, had a lazy morning, thought the candle had burned out, as they usually do, but around noon today I smell smoke, my boyfriend put out the fire, and by the end of the day everything was wiped off and the smell is gone.

My question is this.. should I tell the owner of the building? And if I don't, and do the repairs myself, in other words, try to hide it, is that the same thing as taking something that doesn't belong to me? I'm on a lease, so I'm not going anywhere.

I am definately going to repair the damage, (a board along the top of a wall, and a piece of the carpet on the floor). What if the fire had started when I was sleeping?

My initial reaction this morning was to be more aware of 'fires' in the Universe, and to not take such energy for granted, but I still feel like I'm missing something.

I appreciate your thoughts on this.

"I am thankful for the peace and resolutions in my life" - Bob Short

Enlightener
25-02-2007, 05:46 AM
I guess what it all really comes down to is Who You Choose To Be.
If you choose to be someone who shoplifts then be a shoplifter, if you feel that shoplifting is "wrong" then you may not be so inclined to express and experience that part of yourself.

And although a couple of hundred guys decided that there HAS to be "right" and "wrong" within our culture should not really stop you from experiencing your highest thought about yourself, even if that is shoplifting.

Although, unless you are someone who chooses not to go to jail...

Enlightener

Ascended Master
25-02-2007, 04:35 PM
Alright, I'm doing homework at my desk and a little sound plays whenever I get an e-mail, so I hear the little sound, and Ascended Master has replied to my reply. Thank you for the love and light.

Here is my situation... First of all, I usually have a candle burning all night. My normal routine is to put it out when I get up, but this morning, I slept in, had a lazy morning, thought the candle had burned out, as they usually do, but around noon today I smell smoke, my boyfriend put out the fire, and by the end of the day everything was wiped off and the smell is gone.

My question is this.. should I tell the owner of the building? And if I don't, and do the repairs myself, in other words, try to hide it, is that the same thing as taking something that doesn't belong to me? I'm on a lease, so I'm not going anywhere.

I am definately going to repair the damage, (a board along the top of a wall, and a piece of the carpet on the floor). What if the fire had started when I was sleeping?


Hmmmm... I'd probably repair it myself Mandi! :D
Most repairs are really easy, and inexpensive, providing you have the time, and a little bit of knowledge to do them.
If it's too difficult, why not give it a go anyway?
At the end of the day, if you make a mess of it, you'll have to pay somebody to do it anyway.
So you may as well try! :hug3:

I'd only ever put a candle on before bed.
Sometimes I fall asleep and wake up with the room feeling like a sauna!
But I therefore become more cautious.

Something to be learn from! :D

Good luck Mandi

Love and light,

AM

simyboye
25-02-2007, 10:53 PM
Hi there, I hope you're all well?

Just coming off subject for a bit. A candle left over night is a big fire risk. Whatever the precaution you take, it is never really quite enough. I serve as a fire fighter in the UK, and however many smoke detectors, Co2 sensors you have, it's just not worth the risk. You’re risking yourself and others in the house. Please refrain from doing it.

As for the male race and I'm sure I speak for a few of them, we see in Black and White, a serious floor in our perception in life. Life is more of a spectrum rather than an either or... I learnt that the very difficult way, and at the cost of two beautiful relationships.

Love and light to you all.
James
x

angelicious
26-02-2007, 01:15 AM
..........My question is this.. should I tell the owner of the building? And if I don't, and do the repairs myself, in other words, try to hide it, is that the same thing as taking something that doesn't belong to me? I'm on a lease, so I'm not going anywhere.



Hahaha, Oh My Goodness Mandi......

I had a stove fire just last week (I'd heated up cooking oil & forgot about it & got in the shower, I had to put out the fire & turn off alarms in the nude, grins), thank goodness for the smoke detectors.

Anyway, I rent my place & was beside myself, really quite afraid to tell the landlord. I weighed up the pro's & con's of keeping this secret, but my conscience got the better of me. Things seem to make there way out into the light eventually.

So, I slept on it, and worked up the courage to call him the next day. At least now, it's out in the open. And man, I feel so much better. The landlord was actually relaxed about it all (he was on a fishing trip, lol, which takes priority). He will be here to look at the damage in two days time and sort things from there.
I've cleaned up & it actually isn't as bad as I thought, just a bit of scorching on the wall.

I think you'll find Mandi, the property is insured for such mishaps caused by tenants, like my landlord is. I've got liability insurance too, which covers me from his insurers seeking compensation, :D .

It's a mistake that you have no control over once it's done. Because I've told the landlord, I feel my honesty is worth his trust. It's such a fantastic thing.

You'll be fine Mandi, tell the owner of the building about the incident.