Extreme Caution...Its no joke.

[Biddle-Tuddle]

During my whole life, I have pretty much been scared of nothing, I really had no fear of anything, I mean, I have witnessed paranormal phenomenon ( and still do ) but like I said, I have never felt true fear, never really scared of anything ( and had no reason to ).

That is until recently. This is something that literally haunts me every so often, and when it does, its very frightening.
Im talking about the 72 spirits of goetia. I read about these spirits and learned that they have tremendous power, so I was intrigued.
I started to read more and more about these spirits, and then I learned that one is able to summon them. They say that it is possible to extract energy from these spirits and use it for pretty much anything.....for me, I wanted to be able to see future events.
I tried for months to try and summon one of these spirits, but got nothing.

So I decided to let go of this practice and just move on.
but after week later ,I started to get very intense visions of these spirits( specificaly the spirit named Bael ) (Wow, I get frightened just mentioning that name ).
Every time Im in an astral state, I always run into this spirit. The whole astral experience goes fine until I run into this spirit. It just stares at might me with these powerful energetic eyes, and when I try to escape from it, it just gets brighter. Then after the brightness goes away, everything turns gray, as if I have been taken away from my astral experience into a dark lonley void.
My god, its just horrible, after I wake up I feel like I have been away for a long time...It feels like days have gone by, when in reality its only been a few hours.

After waking up from one of these experiences, I feel very depressed and tired. It was never like this.
Im a very positive and energetic kinda guy, but ever since I tried to tap into this energy, I have been miserable.

I know that that its everbodys desire to try and transcend from this world and find something different, something that connects you to the grand source, to feel special and significant. but I just want to warn everyone that you shouldnt mess around with forces you dont understand.
There is other forms of life out there, and they do have completley different desires and agendas than us humans beings. So dont always expect positive results.

So please, were all just beginners ( spiritualy speaking ). If your planning on investigating the unknown, I recommend you seriously advance in your spiritualy. Because you never know what you will come across .

[Makoorakoo]

Interesting post Biddle-Tuddle,
I have to say I have come accross the goetic demons. Yes they are powerful however they can be bound to peoples will to a certain extent. These demons are often used with thiestic satanism which shows that they are highly respected in power. These demons to me are of no threat, they are no of light or dark so they just be. It is interesting to look it all up in the goetia.

I thing these demons are the reason why most satanists I know are so big headed and believe that anyone who doesnt believe their beliefs are idiots lol. The ironic thing is they are really easy to annoy with other spiritual knowlege which makes me ask why do they believe they are enlightened when they cant accept others beliefs?

love and blessings to all, sorry for the long boring talk of satanists ^_^

[dreamer]

Hey biddle tuddle,

maybe using a "demons" power for the good of all might be met with a better response. If I were a "demon" with strong powers firstly I would be ****ed off with being seen as a demon and secondly I would be loathe to give access to my power unless it was going to improve my situation. If God is everything then God is "demons" although maybe demonising God is not the best aproach to take. Using strong forces is neccesary IMO for the breaking down of doubt, fear and ignorance but seeing these strong forces as demonic and bing fearful of them is it seems to me contrary to their purpose. Next time you meet with Bael apologise sincerely for making such selfish demands on his/her power, apologise that you bismirch his/her name by thinking/talking of him/her in a negative fashion, tell him/her that you want to use his power for the re establishment of truth and Gods law/the law of love for all things including so called "demons"and humbly accept the outcome - if you are so inclined and if you are fed up with the way things currently are and sincerely want to be a force for good/truth.

This is my opinion of course but it seems logical to me.

[Biddle-Tuddle]

Well, it sounds like a good idea. I might be to late though.
I read that there has been many people who just cant get rid of these demons, no matter what they do, and there mistake was not using a "banishing circle" when they summoned the demon innitialy.
The "banishing circle" is supposed to send the demon back after evoking it.
So if I didnt use a banishing circle, am I forever cursed?

Believe me, I have been really researching into this matter, and all I get is negative news. The only thing I can think of is a techique called "remote viewing" or T.R.V ( technical remote viewing ).
It is supposed to enable you to make face to face contact with many lifeforms ( including the goetia ).
A man named Aaron C Donahue uses this technique to frequently contact these demons, and as far as I can see, hes is in no way miserable. So what is he doing that I am not.
This is why I am really investigating remote viewing.

[Makoorakoo]

take my advice for when it comes to demons that wont go away. Get someone who knows how to kill them to take them out or perform a seriously strong banishment asap.

love and blessings to all

[OceanWaves19161]

Remember if you can call upon something you can also get rid of something and I'm sure theres more than one option. Maybe get some advice from a higher source like spirit guides or Angels or something like that and ask them for their protection or ask someone who has a strong interest in that kinda stuff if your really struggling. Best of luck

Alana

[chadley]

Biddle, please do not take offense to the below, I'm just trying to make a point and maybe even help you.

Biddle, the moral of this story is not to advance spiritually before you astral project, which by the way is still good advice, but to NOT SPEND SEVERAL MONTHS CALLING UPON DEMONS!!

You state that you never know what you may run into. Well, your experience isn't really a good example of that is it? Seek and yee shall find and you sure did.

Let me offer the easier advice, which at the same time, will take longer. I don't know if you have done this, but try calling upon the A A Michael with the same amount of energy and time you spent calling upon goetia.

Your very fear that there is no solution to your problem is the cause of it.

Here are some questions for you to consider before I offer you the quick solution:

While you are reading this, fully conscious in the physical, where is your astral body now? Where is this spirit of Goetia now?

What do you believe will happen if this spirit attacks you when you are projecting in the astral? What is preventing that fear from taking place right now?

You say you can astral project, what need is there for T.R.V when you can go and communicate with the spirit during projection?

You can join the dragon slayers for centuries running around, hunting demons and destroying them (so it may seem), or you can approach the spirit and ask it, "what do you have to teach me?"

I know, this sounds crazy, right?

Let me know if you want me to continue.

Chadley.

[dreamer]

Its all in your own mind, even me and the chair you are sitting on. Can you be afraid of yourself?

[amyangel]

I agree with dreamer on this one. I had a spookily' similar experience several months ago, where I would find myself awake within the dream and everything would be bright, wonderful and positive. After a while, the dream would begin to change, become dark and brooding and I would find that I was in the prescence of a very dark oppresive entity who would chase me, threaten and intimidate me. (I would awaken sometimes screaming and in a blind panic) following these dreams I would feel an overwhelming sense of foreboding and experience crippling fear, sometimes for the entire day. As a result, I began to be frightened about going to sleep and would often force myself to sit awake often for hours, which as I'm sure you can imagine did'nt help the situation at all (lol) It was only when a dear friend suggested that maybe this dark entity may actually be a part of me that was trying to communicate with me, which I was hiding from and maybe it was time I stopped running away from it

To keep this story short, I can tell you that when I finally acknowledged that it (the entity) was in fact a hidden a part of me, I had the courage to confront this entity the next time it appeared in my dream. I actually found that by confronting my 'demon' with humility and courage, it transformed itself into a beutiful being of light. I could see what I did'nt have the courage to face before and the impact of this experience has had such a positive effect on my own personal development

Love,

Amyangel:hug2:

[pure]

Hey amyangel

I have also had similar experiences whenever i had a bad dream and i was being chased i would run from whatever was chasing me but there have been a few times where i would face my fears, i learned that it might have been an ego, or maybe some kind of test. Facing fears can help to overcome them.

Have a great day/night..

~Pure~

[Biddle-Tuddle]

Hey Chadley, no offense taken. But Im not sure whether this demon is of the mind or if its physically real. This demon is not only in my dreams, it also sometimes appears when I m fully awake. Like when Im driving home from work, I sometimes get a quick, crystal clear image of it in front of me, its almost causes me to crash. Thats why I take the trolley to work now.

I dont try to use angels because I have never believed in them.
I dont know why , but the day I broke away from religion, my life got a whole lot better. I just had to mess it up though!!

[dreamer]

Hey Chadley, no offense taken. But Im not sure whether this demon is of the mind or if its physically real. This demon is not only in my dreams, it also sometimes appears when I m fully awake. Like when Im driving home from work, I sometimes get a quick, crystal clear image of it in front of me, its almost causes me to crash. Thats why I take the trolley to work now.

I dont try to use angels because I have never believed in them.
I dont know why , but the day I broke away from religion, my life got a whole lot better. I just had to mess it up though!!

Hey biddle tuddle,

whos to say you are not dreaming when you are awake? You believe in demons but not angels? Maybe believing in demons suggests you did not break from the stranglehold of religious indoctrination as fully as you say?

[chadley]

dreamers got a point, biddle. demons but not angels, huh? Remember that just because religion is emensely flawed does not mean that god, angels and Jesus do not exist. It just means that religion has a very poor understanding of spiritual principles. This is because, honostly, most people walking the planet have very little understanding of the reality of spirit and religion is simply a structure that represents the mass limited understanding of the levels of existence above the physical.

I totally understand the way if feels to be liberated from the boundaries of religion. The same happened for me and it was a turning point in my life. However, instead of discounting god and spirit, I discounted the religious teachings of them and evenutally discovered the truth for myself.

Biddle, this spirit is in your mind and is real. It is not one or the other.

What you resist, persists. This is why all the efforts to remove that what you fear only strengthens its position. And since, in the end, this demon is a reflection of what lies within, you can never truly be separated from it. Instead, change the reflection by changing its source, you.

You should know that I am not guessing here, I'm speaking from experience.

I wish you well,

Chadley.

[dreamer]

Hey biddle-tuddle,

I've just reread my previous posts and while i agree with what i said i don't agree with the off hand manner i said it, so i slap my wrist for that and apologise. The trick is this, your mind is also the universe, the universe is your mind - you are walking around in your own mind, once you take this on board, test it so you see it is true and grow in conviction that you are evrything you can start to understand why things react the way they do - cos they are you, demonising anything is demonising yourself, being angry at anything is being angry at yourself - religion is a manifestation of your own mind state but you are outgrowing it now just like you outgrew nappies, you could say nappies are dirty or you could say they provided a useful device for catching your **** when you were too young to know when you needed to go to the toilet..don't be too hard on religion it played its role well but its being outgrown and will be forgotten, without it we would not have such well kept records about amazing things, even though they might have been tampered with the truth was always going to surface eventually as long as a little grain was kept. Anyway, sorry if this is another indelicate post, not meant to be - i wish you well with Bael, he's a pussycat really lol.

[Ascended Master]

Well, it sounds like a good idea. I might be to late though.
I read that there has been many people who just cant get rid of these demons, no matter what they do, and there mistake was not using a "banishing circle" when they summoned the demon innitialy.
The "banishing circle" is supposed to send the demon back after evoking it.
So if I didnt use a banishing circle, am I forever cursed?

Believe me, I have been really researching into this matter, and all I get is negative news. The only thing I can think of is a techique called "remote viewing" or T.R.V ( technical remote viewing ).
It is supposed to enable you to make face to face contact with many lifeforms ( including the goetia ).
A man named Aaron C Donahue uses this technique to frequently contact these demons, and as far as I can see, hes is in no way miserable. So what is he doing that I am not.
This is why I am really investigating remote viewing.

Hi Biddle-Tuddle.

Is there some sort of a connection between you and this spirit, energetically?
Can it be something an Angel can disconnect?

Love and light,

AM

[ljepotica]

What about not concentrating on the demon? What about not thinking about him/her? BY thinking about the demon you are giving "energy" to it and by being afraid you're making it happen or occur-hope I made some sense there!

I have not had any experience like you're having but there have been negative and dark entities in the past that have "haunted" me and I always used to think that I was stuck with them forever and couldn't get away from them-I could feel them and just resigned my fate to having them in my life all the time...

Then one day I just decided to not give them much thought or think about them-I started to show them love and light, I imagined that I was forgiving them and that the angels and god were on my side (you use whatever higher being you believe in) I also told them that I meant them no harm or offense and that I was sorry if I ever offended them-and I kept on sending out white light and feeling love...I even went so far as to "forgive" them...I told them that they had no more business with me and that I wanted to leave them on peaceful terms and for me it worked...it didn't happen over-night as some doubts and insecurities came back to haunt me but I did what I did and it helped a great deal...

I also don't think about them and if they do come in my mind-I just let them go.
The first thing you have to realise is that no demon can harm you if you believe in yourself and don't give into fear and don't belive that they can affect you.

Ok enough for now:)

Good luck and take care of yourself,

Lots of love,

S xxxx

[Ascended Master]

Very wise words S!
Love and light,
AM x

[Whisperer]

Some extremely fantastic advice given in this thread. I hope you find the courage and energy to deal with this situation Biddle_Tuddle.

[Ascended Master]

Biddle my friend, I believe you should rely on angels (of love) to handle this situation.
In the long run it's a learning experience, so one day you will look back and think - "I shall never call on demons again!"
But on the other hand, this will not go away without assistance of a loving, strong and experienced kind.
Angels of love want to help, because they are indeed, loving strong and experienced!
But they are so loving they want you to choose your own path.
Which we must! Because that is what it is to be free?
I've never been religious, but the first time I saw demonic activity with my eyes, I called angels in from the depths of my heart.
I felt I had to... and then I saw one with my eyes!
It whipped around (and dissappeared) the said negative thing and stuck around for a while to make sure I was ok.
Since then I call them in for everything! lol
That is what they want, and that is what they do.
Bless them very much.
Angels are just good energies who want to help.
While demons are just energies who want you to wear their shoes!
Try my friend, something needs to be done...
And it'd be really nice if you could turn this into a positive experience!
Love and light, with the very best of intentions.
AM

[Chong.]

biddle-tuddle it sort of sounds like this spirit is following you....if you keep having quick flash images and such this is VERY dangerous...you shouldnt of called on him i would suggest on reading up on spirit conjuring and learn how to properly and safley release this spirit that seems to have a liking to you because you do not want him following you around i know there are ways of communicating with spirits that follow you but im not sure how...i would suggest asking him why he is following you also just for curiousity...and i would consider yourself lucky this time if it is actually a powerful demon im sure he could of done much worse things than just follow you around...good luck to you

peace and prosperity

[Pathwalker]

Yeah i'm thinking bring in the big guns too (Archangel Michael), if you feel you need it!
Good luck
Pathwalker

[Ascended Master]

Yeah i'm thinking bring in the big guns too (Archangel Michael), if you feel you need it!
Good luck
Pathwalker

lol - big guns?! :D

[Exhileration]

I know that that its everbodys desire to try and transcend from this world and find something different, something that connects you to the grand source, to feel special and significant. but I just want to warn everyone that you shouldnt mess around with forces you dont understand.

Amen.

It is the human condition to seek to understand the mysterious, however the true gift lies within what you have around you. What you can see, smell, feel, touch, and love. Who is around you, where you are. It is all the true treasure of this experience.

Sometimes, when you seek to understand the mystery, you end up falling down a very deep rabbit hole, and though you can come out the other side, you will never be the same.

Ignorance is bliss, and it is my life mission to remind myself of that daily.

However, that being said, there is nothing to fear :D

It is all a perceived state of mind, and the demons we confront when we go down that rabbit hole, are truly US.

:hug: :angel7:

E.

[~Jay~]

Great words Exhileration! :smile: I personally don't think anyone can ever fully explain the whole of existence - it is all down to individual perception, as you say. It is a mystery indeed! What is the truth for one, won't necessarily be so for another.:wink:

[Biddle-Tuddle]

Hello everyone, sorry for all those error posts, I dont know why it kept on reposting itself. Its has been awhile since my last post. I have just been so depressed lately, I havent been doing much of anything.
Anyways, I just wanna say thank you all for your thoughtful posts. I have never seen such kindness over the internet.
I have been thinking of what all of you have posted on this topic, let me just they are all very good and thoughtful ideas.

I have suffered miserably these past months. I lost my job, my girlfriend, my sanity. I have shed way too many tears.
But I know that I have suffered for a reason.
I dont regret what I have done, what I have summoned, because now, I have answers...many answers.

I dont expect for anyone to understand. I refuse to explain.
Through what I have done and experienced these last few months, I now have complete respect for these powerful forms of conscience, I am no longer in fear ( Im reffering to the DemonsOfGoetia, if thats how you would like to refer to them ).
These "demons" are beautiful beyond words, they are the hidden powerful technology of the mind.
I am now a content being.

Well, I just thought I would post to let you guys know what my status is.
Im moving away from california to somewhere more quiet and peaceful.
I would also like to add that this is my last post on this site, or on any site.

Im going to finish this off by saying....This universe is beautiful! I now finally have answers!

Thank you, you all have great souls

[chadley]

Biddle Tuddle, that is wonderful. As I have always said, all the obstacles of the world and even the Tigers of the mind are but master teachers that lead us to truth and peace if only we can recognize them as such. It appears you have done just that, very impressive. I wish you well,

Chadley.

[cosmic]

Erm... is it just me or did Biddle Tuddle's last post sound a bit... *ahem* final??
To me, it didn't sound wonderful. It seemed a little worrying....