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johnatre
19-09-2011, 02:42 AM
More questions from me, Is there sin in wicca?
If so, is homosexuality a sin?
If so, great. I'm going to hell in all religions.

Derpdidurp
19-09-2011, 03:42 AM
You seem very angsty, my friend.

mattie
19-09-2011, 07:06 AM
More questions from me, Is there sin in wicca?

NO, NO, NO

Clarification- After I posted & reread it, I realized that I first thought you asked, Is there sin in being wicca? I wasn't sure if I interpreted your question correctly. Actually I don’t know if wicca has sin as a concept if this is what you're asking. Other religions may consider Wicca to be sinful, but they have very narrow views about who is allowed into what they call the kingdom of heaven.

If so, is homosexuality a sin?

NO, NO, NO

If so, great. I'm going to hell in all religions.

Many see hell/heaven as a construct of organized religion. A device used to scare the flock to remain faithful.

Many options are available for gays & lesbians who are wanting an organized religion. The Unitarian Church is very open about this.

http://www.gaychurch.org/Find_a_Church/Denominations/denominations.htm

Lostgirl
19-09-2011, 08:29 AM
Hell isnt anything to do with Wicca - it is a christian concept as is satan.

There is no sin as such in Wicca, there a bad intentions and the threefold. The rede reads "do as ye will as long as it harms none" or something to that effect. Basically you can do as you like, but if it brings harm to anyone then expect three times as bad back - the threefold.

Wicca is a very open minded religion and those who arent are just as bad as the rest of the closed minded people around.

Tanith
21-09-2011, 10:32 PM
Wicca has no concept of sin or redemption- it is a path which makes it clear (by the Law of Three times Three) that your actions are your responsibility and YOURS alone. If you do bad things, bad things will happen to you, it's a similar concept to karma.

Just as Lostgirl says- Hell is a Christian concept. There is no evil incarnate in Wicca. Hell, Satan, Sin, Redemption... they are all Christian values and have little to no place in Wicca.

Unless, of course, you're talking to a Christopagan. But they're usually a little schizo/hypocritical anyways (I say this when I have a good friend who considers herself Christopagan. But she's also very open minded when it comes to homosexuality)

Medium_Laura
21-09-2011, 11:01 PM
Ahh love the answers :) Nope.. no God to smite you or punish you in Wicca. LOVE the LOVE of it :) And these 8 words the rede fulfills "And harm thee none do what thou wilt."

Finnster
21-09-2011, 11:48 PM
Nope... as everyone has mentioned so far, Wicca does not acknowledge a concept of sin. The Wiccan red as well as the three fold law tend to help with the moral decision making.

I really love being Wiccan lemme tell ya!

insanitysquid
11-10-2011, 02:00 PM
The Goddess Herself said "All Acts of Love are Mine Ritual" in the Charge
and to me, personally, means that no matter what bond is between people (platonic, familial, romantic, cosmic) - it is all special and sacred.

Wiccans don't believe in Heaven or Hell, either, so you won't end up there by our hand. Some believe Gods embracing us in a forever of comfort and peace, a lush green place to rest in the afterlife, constant reincarnation, past/future lives preordained before the universe was created, becoming one with the universe, good and bad energies being separated at long last...

My theory on the whole "homosexuality is a sin" is clearly because when small Judeo-Christian groups got their start, they had to make sure that followers would be born out of successful, monogamous and plentiful relationships. Babies HAVE to be churned out and kept alive as long as possible to spread their religion. Hence the bad blood between a lot of religions and Christianity.
But a handful of GLBT individuals aren't going to hurt the human species as a whole. Make it more colorful and break down gender-roles, sure, but not mar humanity!

...All in all, you are not cursed or meant to be punished in this world or the next.
Nobody wants that kind of pain for you, and those who do (be they close-minded, bullies, politicians, etc.) they can all go answer to their God to not realize that He made every human like Him (diverse) but they screwed up His message and Master Plan! To save everybody, even the bad guys, and have a big ol' tea party with all His friends.



<3 insanitysquid



P.S. - I'm bi myself, and I take after my Lesbie Godmother in getting righteously angry at stuff like this. :redface:

Animus27
11-10-2011, 04:16 PM
More questions from me, Is there sin in wicca?
If so, is homosexuality a sin?
If so, great. I'm going to hell in all religions.
No. There is no 'sin' in Wicca. In some groups there may be ritual no-no's; but on the whole Wicca tends to be not very concerned with the sexuality of individual people. There are even some Wiccan groups that have a queer focus, and even have their own homoerotic mythos.

That said, there are some homophobic Wiccans, just as there are homophobes in all religions. And some more traditionalist Wiccans are very dualistic/gender/fertility orientated. So for a queer person, a ritual with a symbolic consummation between the Goddess and God might make them feel a little uncomfortable. Butt so long as they're willing to not let the big fertility overlay and sexual dualism bother them, then they're good (unless of course they dislike other aspects of Wicca, then perhaps they should seek elsewhere :tongue:).

Alchymist
11-10-2011, 05:47 PM
My own two cent's worth:-

If there is such a thing as "sin", it means to deliberately cause harm or suffering unnecessarily to any other sentient being.

This,of course, implies careful consideration of what is "Necessary" or "unnecessary" - self defence? -killing in order to eat? - and how one defines "sentient being". Humans, ok; dogs, cats? sure. What about mice, cockroaches, ants? Typhoid bacilli? Cancer viruses?

All, in the end, comes down to one's individual conscience.

Alchymist

norseman
11-10-2011, 05:49 PM
And don't forget Dianic Wicca.
In general, I am not in tune with wicca, I find it all a bit twee and "fluffy". "Old School" British Witchcraft is also relaxed on the subject of sin and homosexuality.

Amilius777
12-10-2011, 04:03 AM
I feel like the word "sin" is such a harsh word. I prefer the word "error". Because life is like an exam and each lifetime we make errors and triumphs. And from those errors and triumphs we receive our karma. Either it be bad or good. We are all progressing to learn the divinity within.

That is why when the New Testament says- "The Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world" is such an esoteric/psychic statement that it has been twisted into garbage.

(This may sound a bit too Hindu for this board)- This means the divine Consciousness (the God-center) within the soul takes away the bad karma from those bad errors away when the soul is united with this Consciousness.

As in Jesus' case (an advanced psychic) was able to take away his apostles' and people's bad karma away in that generation because their errors of condemning an innocent man to such a brutal death would have had some horrifying aftermaths. - Take the example of the Buddhists in China. About a year or two ago the Chinese were persecuting Buddhist monks and literally after that an Earthquake hit a region close by killing thousands of lives due to these evil actions. In Jesus' case he didn't want their errors to come back to them so He took them on through his own crucifixion.

If Fundamental Christianity understood this true meaning I think they would evolve to a much more loving and accepting religion without all that hell-fire damnation.

I think there is a "hell" but this is a state of mind that we create for ourselves within self. Same thing with heaven. We grow to heaven and create it in this life and the next.

The whole Devil thing is easy to explain even if you are Wiccan. If you believe everyone has their own "God/Goddess center" either they call it Zeus/Hera, Yahweh/Mary, or whatever and there is an Unknown Universal Deity with us all. Then that means the Devil is the god for evil people in those souls or spirits who are saturated with malevolent ideas.

And besides if we all go through male and female incarnations and sometimes carry over such impulses (say I was a female before and now I am a male) there is a likely chance I will be a lesbian or have those tendencies.

I hope this cleared some stuff up.

Miss Hepburn
12-10-2011, 04:55 AM
No sin.
No hell.
Be good and you'll be ok.
God is a homosexual.