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kundalini
23-01-2007, 10:42 PM
Hi people,

I am purposely terming the following question as thus as I would like to hear your views on it in the most specific way. Does oneness or being in a state of oneness rather, encourage passivity?

Thanks for reading,

Kundalini.

Philip
24-01-2007, 07:17 AM
no! - I will elaborate later

kundalini
24-01-2007, 07:41 AM
no! - I will elaborate later

Thanks for the answer Philip and I look forward to your elaboration when you have the time, Kundalini.

dreamer
24-01-2007, 11:22 AM
I look at it this way. If I see everything as an extension of myself, a metaphor for my/our soul as in I am the dreamer and I am the dream then suddenly I become empowered to create a nicer dream for myself to experience just by putting the work in to making myself the person that i want to be, overcoming doubts and fears, living in the moment and acting in ways that are honest, loving and benificial for all aspects of myself in the "material world outside".

I would say also that looking at things in this way makes me more passive in that i trust my mind will provide what i need if i trust it and appreciate the manifested fruits of its work, so i'm less stressed.

So maybe in one way yes, in another no - after all truth is everything is it not?

kundalini
24-01-2007, 03:41 PM
Those are some interesting points dreamer. Specifically, I am referring to the use of the word 'passivity' in regards to the question as meaning 'lack of action'. This is what I would like to hear your views on, thanks, K.

Blip
24-01-2007, 05:26 PM
Those are some interesting points dreamer. Specifically, I am referring to the use of the word 'passivity' in regards to the question as meaning 'lack of action'. This is what I would like to hear your views on, thanks, K. It would appear that passivity, as you define it, is more a result of the realization of oneness then something encouraged by it.
As the "Self" driven needs for many actions cease to be an influence, the end result would obviously be less actions.
All of this is dependent on passivity being belived to be the opposite of aggression.... Not just lack of action but lack of aggressive actions or aggressive responsive actions..
If this is not the case and passivity is defined simply as lack of action...then the answer would appear to be a resounding "NO" . As the Realization of oneness would create in itself new, positive, interactive, actions..

TzuJanLi
24-01-2007, 05:57 PM
Greetings..

Excellent question!! Oneness, or the realization of it, can lead to passivity.. unless, the experiencer can bring Oneness into the "game".. just because we have the realization doesn't imply we just languish in it.. we can, but what's the point? The point, as i see it, is to get back in the game with a new perspective.. From the wisdom of Oneness, we can abandon so many of the notions that create separate perspectives that we can live ever so much more "in the moment".. Realizing Oneness, we can interact with so much more authenticity.. to yield to the passive aspect of existence indicates that one hasn't understood the message of "Oneness"..

The same situation viewed from the perspectives of Oneness and/or many-ness has no influence on the situation, only on the observer's understanding of "consequences".. Recognizing that, ultimately, there is no consequence that cancels existence, is a supremely liberating realization.. it allows for a bit of reckless abandon, some playful mischeviousness.. a bit of pure celebration.. and, when you're in that place, as the sensory input for "God", and you are in pure celebration.. it might possibly have an "orgasmic" effect for the "unified Whole".. ( hope so, anyhow.. it works that way for me..)..

There are no "destinations", only new points of departure.. so that when you realize Oneness there is no lasting inactivity.. you are inspired to have experiences from that perspective...

Be well..

kundalini
25-01-2007, 11:09 AM
Hi Blip and TzuJanLi,

You have made some excellent points for which I am entirely grateful. I like the way that you put it TzuJanLi - The point, as i see it, is to get back in the game with a new perspective.

Thanks, K.

jojobean
30-01-2007, 07:31 PM
oneness can seem like passivity to some who do not share in the same.
just like there are always people who will only see the negative, there are some who do not like to dwell on that and who try to avoid the negative situation when at all possible. I've dabbled on both sides, and I prefer oneness to negativeness.

jojobean
30-01-2007, 07:32 PM
getting back into the game with a new perspective is a great way to look at a situation that isn't always agreeable.

flashstorm
02-02-2007, 08:48 PM
In my opinion Oneness does not encourage passivity nor is it a lack of action. There is a balancing and harmonising principle in the state of oneness which if viewed within a space-time dynamic is constantly active, in fact it is supremely active. The ISness of Oneness is of course independent of space and time and when viewed from this perspective, duality does not apply i.e. the terms active and passive become redundant.