Dweller on the threshold

[Deusdrum]

Contrary to what you may believe, it is apparently not just a Van Morrison song. Authors such as Dion Fortune, Alice Bailey & Madame Blavatsky have written about it.

Some suggest it is the template for the antagonist dragon that guards the treasure or holds the princess captive and must be defeated by the knight or prince in shining armour or whathaveyou. There are other authors that have talked about it in books before that i have come across, and i am wondering if anyone has had experience with it, or has any thoughts on it. I believe it sometimes appears to astral travelers as well, and is a part of initiation into Self knowledge, or whathaveyou.

I would love to hear if anyone has had experiences or any thoughts on this topic. Thank you.

[mattie]

I’m not sure what you are meaning. Can you provide more information?

[nightowl]

I’m not sure what you are meaning. Can you provide more information?

Me too...I would love to respond but I am a little unclear as the what you are referring to...do you mean like personal guardian spirits and what forms they take?

nightowl

[Deusdrum]

mattie & nightowl - I have very vague ideas of what it may mean myself, that's why i was asking, to see if anyone had anything to offer.

I don't mean personal guardian spirits no, it is as far as i am aware more like the accumulation of our doubts and fears which is an embodiment that must be faced and overcome, or something to that effect.

Was just wondering if anyone had anyone has had any personal experience with the so called dweller on the threshold. Here is a wiki entry on it, in case you guys are interested.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dweller_on_the_threshold

Not the most complete entry on wikipedia, but yeah. Maybe a starting point at least.

Not sure what peaked my interest in this, kind of popped into my head, and i have come across the idea from several different authors over the years, so it got me curious.

[Neville]

Hello Deusdrum,

...Would you want to be Mario or Luigi? the character matters not . the principle is the same.

I did write something somewhere about my Astral other half but I imagine (important word is Imagine) He is so much wiser, stronger and better than me.

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=16556 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fshowthread.php%253 Ft%253D16556)

But that's not who you are talking about and you are right in so far that within you , You carry all that is the very worst about you and the best.

So if we were to search out our dark half, our evil and nefarious demonic self , at least we would not have far to look.

If as I suggested you may wish to be ,Mario or Luigi then when you confront , if you ever wished to confront Bowser. You may inadvertently take on and destroy (if you were lucky enough) a fundamental part of who you are.

Seriously destabilizing your equilibrium by trying to unpick an essential duality within the whole. Messing with yin and yang. Screwing with Universal Laws "High Majick" can send you bonkers.

The balance is fine though. I let the beast be and up to press It's only knicked one of the many princesses in my life. Mind you that particular princess is quiet sufficient to keep it occupied for the remainder of this one turn on the Planet.

I know it's a bizaar concept.. But just one significant and major trauma in your life early on ,and the immunity against what follows is stronger. At least in my case.

Maybe thats it, We all have to , or obliged to have an encounter with the dweller. Part of the Rules of engagement . Somewhere in the small print of your carnation contract.

The dweller is there, and that is as they say that :)

[Deusdrum]

Hello Deusdrum,

...Would you want to be Mario or Luigi? the character matters not . the principle is the same.

I did write something somewhere about my Astral other half but I imagine (important word is Imagine) He is so much wiser, stronger and better than me.

http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=16556 (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fshowthread.php%25253Ft%25253D16 556)

But that's not who you are talking about and you are right in so far that within you , You carry all that is the very worst about you and the best.

So if we were to search out our dark half, our evil and nefarious demonic self , at least we would not have far to look.

If as I suggested you may wish to be ,Mario or Luigi then when you confront , if you ever wished to confront Bowser. You may inadvertently take on and destroy (if you were lucky enough) a fundamental part of who you are.

Seriously destabilizing your equilibrium by trying to unpick an essential duality within the whole. Messing with yin and yang. Screwing with Universal Laws "High Majick" can send you bonkers.

The balance is fine though. I let the beast be and up to press It's only knicked one of the many princesses in my life. Mind you that particular princess is quiet sufficient to keep it occupied for the remainder of this one turn on the Planet.

I know it's a bizaar concept.. But just one significant and major trauma in your life early on ,and the immunity against what follows is stronger. At least in my case.

Maybe thats it, We all have to , or obliged to have an encounter with the dweller. Part of the Rules of engagement . Somewhere in the small print of your carnation contract.

The dweller is there, and that is as they say that :)


Thanks for your response Neville.

Yes, i am happy with both Mario & Luigi, though Luigi doesn't get enough credit and Mario always seems to hog the spotlight, however i was more thinking in terms of a gatekeeper of sorts, though i am still vague on the notion of what the dweller is or is not, and i am probably letting my curiousity get ahead of me.

Certainly i have no intention of battling my dark half, i know full well (well, thankfully not full) but well enough from experience that it can lead to mental dissociative kind of split which is not the intention i have in mind.

As i have nothing to go on really but other's testimony and my own struggles with my shadow side which may or may not have anything to do with the dweller, i'm definitely not asking for more to take on, nor do i have any inclinations about performing any elaborate occult ritual ceremonies in order to confront anything.

As you say, i don't have far to look if i want some adversity in my life, which funnily enough i seem to almost desire as sort of motivation at times. I will cross that bridge when i get there as they say, and if there is a troll waiting for me there demanding a toll or an answer to a riddle in order for me to cross to greener pastures then so be it.

I'm going to look at the link you provided now. Thank you for taking the time to answer.

Hope you are well.

1Love ~

[Deusdrum]

-oops double post-

[Neville]

Hello my friend,

From what I have read on the link provided, The Dweller does seem a metaphor for our Dark side/Animus. We can choose to externalise this by attaching it to the etheric as we do with our higher selves innerselves in the shape of spirit guides.

However not wishing to be misunderstood , I do say that this is a more collective thing. In the case of collective consciousness we get our inspirations/ messages etc and of course such fluidity in both thought and consciousness is already self evident so we need not be forced into believing it to be grounded in physicality.

Anyway..nearly lost myself then...Collective consciousness is one thing , but collective baseness , malevolence, cruelty is also a breeding thing from way back when we used to kill one another and rip flesh from bone. In fact any barbarity you care to think of will be in our gene pool somewhere.

So we can externalise this to as our brooding dweller, maybe not even on a thresh hold but from the very pit itself.

He is as far as I can ascertain to a certain extent, like guides and your own angels something that comes along for the ride of your life... There is so much more to us than flesh and bone and sentience and theres always a new revelation.

This Dweller as far as I can see , is esoteric speak for your own and indeed geneticand collective . primordial beastie. And it is both fair and just to assume that if we all have guides, guardian angels and the ilk that. Inorder to balance things out as dualities do ..Well you get the picture,,,Our Summers need a Winter so that we can distinguish them as such.

Best wishes Neville

[seeker2011]

Mabel Collins, on the "Path".
the dweller on the threshold is you.
you face a 'red sea" proposition.
You , like everyone, is in a 'choice' position.
The "dweller" is your own resistance.

[Deusdrum]

interesting. Thank you seeker2011. I like that take on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EsGwLFchRg

[Emmalevine]

I had a very recent dream about trying to slay a dragon, and this comes from some visions I've had of a silver dragon. I believe intuitively that the dragon represents a higher state of consciousness and that in trying to slay him I am overcoming ego barriers.

[Deusdrum]

Yes, i believe you may be right Starbuck. I also associate Dragons rightly or wrongly with rising kundalini. I think such visions or dreams are a good omen and may suggest you are on the right path, in my limited opinion anyways.

This link has few things about dragons in dreams...

http://www.polenth.com/other/dream.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.polenth.com%2525 2Fother%25252Fdream.html)

here is something else on the internet i found interesting...

In alchemical (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.themystica.com%2 5252Fmystica%25252Farticles%25252Fa%25252Falchemy. htm) symbolism dragons are associated with fire and the primal chaotic material. The Western concept of dragons is to portray them as fire animals spewing fire, something to be hated, feared, and destroyed. However, in the Far East these negative traits are minimized and the symbolism is ambivalent.

In iconography, for example, two dragons are depicted as facing each other, and especially in European and Islamic hermeticism this confrontation is depicted as being similar to the serpents of the caduceus (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.themystica.com%2 5252Fmystica%25252Farticles%25252F%2525257Ealchemy %25252Fcaduceus.html).

This is the neutralization of opposing tendencies, of alchemical sulfur and mercury; while immanent, undeveloped nature is portrayed as in the ouroboros, the dragon biting its tail. Even in the Far East the dragon possesses different aspects, in that it is simultaneously a creature of water, of Earth, of the underworld, and of the shy. This makes it akin to the Quetzalcoatl, the Aztec, plumed serpent.

Symbolism from Carl G. Jung's Mysterium Coniunctions: Dragon is personification of Sulphur and is by far the male element. Since the dragon is said to impregnate himself by swallowing his tail, then the tail is the male organ and the mouth is the female organ. The dragon consumes its entire body into his head; thus, partaking of his most dangerous and evil nature turning it into the inner fire of Mercury.

This evil dragon nature which sulphur shares is frequently called the "dragon's head" (caput dragonis), which is a "most pernicious poison," a poisonous vapor breathed out by the flying dragon. However, the "winged dragon" that stands for quicksilver becomes a poison-breathing monster only after it unites with the "wingless dragon" which corresponds to sulphur.

In psychological terms these two dragons represent the opposites; the winged dragon tries to prevent the wingless dragon from flying. They are always in confrontation until the wingless dragon flies, symbolizing the conquering of an obstacle, or obstacles, preventing total individualization. In other words, the winged dragon represents personal obstacles that must be overcome to insure a more-perfect being; thus, leading to the saying: "You conquer the dragon or he will conquer you." A.G.H.