Collective Consciousness

[moke64916]

Does group collective consciousness and worldwide collective consciousness effect us on an individual level? Are we aware of it? ............

[Internal Queries]

Does group collective consciousness and worldwide collective consciousness effect us on an individual level? Are we aware of it? ............


well, are you affected by the people on this site? how about the government? corporations? religion? do you live in a city or a town? ever get caught in traffic? these are collective consciousnesses, society, humans sharing experiences, some are strictly defined and longer lasting (like a family) while others are temporary (like standing in line at the store).

no man is island and even little hermit ladies living in the woods can't escape the effects of being a part of the human matrix.

[zipzip]

I think we are somehow all connected. Not sure how, but I do believe we are


zipzip

[surrendertotheflow]

I found some awesome information about the collective consciousness in monkeys. How they separated a giant group of monkeys and gave them a task to learn. I think it had to do with how they ate their food or something. At first, none of the monkeys knew what to do, but a few started learning over time.

For some reason, however, once at least 100 of the monkeys learned the knew task, consequently all the other monkeys that were separate from them learned the knew task like magic.

So, yes, the collective consciousness is there on all levels. Even the trees will speak to you if you listen. I find them and certain bodies of water to be like a priest, you can go to them for confession, to talk to them, to pray with them, to tell them your worries, your struggles, your sins (even better than a confessional I'd say lol) And they listen even though we don't realize they do.

[Emmalevine]

Yes I really believe we are all connected and there is a collective unconscious. I have had experiences in dreams that reinforced this belief.

[psychoslice]

We are all connected in Consciousness, but really there is no "we" in Consciousness, there is just Consciousness.

[TzuJanLi]

Greetings..

We are all connected in Consciousness, but really there is no "we" in Consciousness, there is just Consciousness.
But, there 'we' are, conscious and unique.. and your unique aspect of consciousness cannot know what my unique aspect of consciousness holds in the privacy of its mindscape..

Be well..

[Enlightener]

no man is island and even little hermit ladies living in the woods can't escape the effects of being a part of the human matrix.

I'd counter that statement with something about mystics who live for centuries, and people who can manifest things instantly.

Thrust, Parry!

[Internal Queries]

I'd counter that statement with something about mystics who live for centuries, and people who can manifest things instantly.

Thrust, Parry!

from where do you imagine those mystics and adepts are pulling the energy to do what they do?

riposte!

[moke64916]

I watched this Science show on Collective consciousness as a whole. There is data now that can see it on a chart. For some reason before 9/11 happened, The line went drastically up in consciousness at 4:30 in the morning. Before it actually occured. It's like we were all aware of it unconsciously. The Scientists can not explain how. Other experiments show that people can unconsciously predict the future based on brain activity. How collective consciousness predicted 9/11 before it happened is a mystery. But the collective consciousness went sky high before it actually occured. So even future collective consciousness can effect us at an unconscious level. If science will ever be able to explain collective consciousness mathematically, I do not know. But scientists are now looking at consciousness as a whole. Saying that our consciousness creates certain events. I believe that is true. But I can not believe that Scientists are opening up to this idea. I always new that worldwide collective consciousness effects natural disasters, or that is my interpretation. It's amazing how 'a' subatomic particle can exist in multiple places at the same time. Can collective consciousness predict the future? I think it is possible, and science in now looking into that.

[7luminaries]

I found some awesome information about the collective consciousness in monkeys. How they separated a giant group of monkeys and gave them a task to learn. I think it had to do with how they ate their food or something. At first, none of the monkeys knew what to do, but a few started learning over time.

For some reason, however, once at least 100 of the monkeys learned the knew task, consequently all the other monkeys that were separate from them learned the knew task like magic.

So, yes, the collective consciousness is there on all levels. Even the trees will speak to you if you listen. I find them and certain bodies of water to be like a priest, you can go to them for confession, to talk to them, to pray with them, to tell them your worries, your struggles, your sins (even better than a confessional I'd say lol) And they listen even though we don't realize they do.

There have been similar studies, at least a few, done on humans...and the results were very similar, except it dealt with groups remote from one another who'd never had contact. The experiences of one group in learning a task etc appeared to consistently reduce the amount of time it took other groups to learn the same task.

Because there is no clear explanation, apart from a collective consciousness, these results have not been played up in the media. But I believe the awareness of many scientists is continually being expanded by both the existence of the collective consciousness (of course) and by their newfound awareness of it...and of other measureable aspects of our quantum reality :smile:

Peace,
7L

[7luminaries]

from where do you imagine those mystics and adepts are pulling the energy to do what they do?

riposte!

LOL..touche :wink:

[moke64916]

There have been similar studies, at least a few, done on humans...and the results were very similar, except it dealt with groups remote from one another who'd never had contact. The experiences of one group in learning a task etc appeared to consistently reduce the amount of time it took other groups to learn the same task.

Because there is no clear explanation, apart from a collective consciousness, these results have not been played up in the media. But I believe the awareness of many scientists is continually being expanded by both the existence of the collective consciousness (of course) and by their newfound awareness of it...and of other measureable aspects of our quantum reality :smile:

Peace,
7L
True. Read my last post and I explain it shows the science that has opened up to it.

[Internal Queries]

on personal level you all probably can't consciously know how important this particular conversation is to me. being a block (head) near the apex of an inverted pyramid isn't a comfortable position so would you all Mind jazzing it up a bit. this thing is getting heavy. (pity the poor guy on the tip. what a balancing act!) we'd all be more comfortable if We could agree to flip this thing over on it's base. lol

All for One and One for All! huzzah!

[7luminaries]

I watched this Science show on Collective consciousness as a whole. There is data now that can see it on a chart. For some reason before 9/11 happened, The line went drastically up in consciousness at 4:30 in the morning. Before it actually occured. It's like we were all aware of it unconsciously. The Scientists can not explain how. Other experiments show that people can unconsciously predict the future based on brain activity. How collective consciousness predicted 9/11 before it happened is a mystery. But the collective consciousness went sky high before it actually occured. So even future collective consciousness can effect us at an unconscious level. If science will ever be able to explain collective consciousness mathematically, I do not know. But scientists are now looking at consciousness as a whole. Saying that our consciousness creates certain events. I believe that is true. But I can not believe that Scientists are opening up to this idea. I always new that worldwide collective consciousness effects natural disasters, or that is my interpretation. It's amazing how 'a' subatomic particle can exist in multiple places at the same time. Can collective consciousness predict the future? I think it is possible, and science in now looking into that.

It's been said for ages by mystics that our individuated consciousness exists in all of our possible alternate realities or lifetimes simultaneously...however, we physically experience them in a way that our physical brain interprets in linear fashion (with exceptions).

At a certain level of awareness, our experience of linear reality is not the "reality", as everything is now and all can be known. Interpretation and perpective are, I believe, the potentially tricky aspects. But science has begun to document (at the subatomic level) that the "future" and the "past" interact constantly, producing the "now". Time is really not a linear constant as we typically think of it, and this is why awareness and clarity of intention is key. Our clear awareness and conscious intention is really all we have at any moment.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/columnist/vergano/2010-11-21-physics-future_N.htm
What is really happening in the double-slit experiment, they say, and really wherever atomic particles are interacting with each other (that is to say, everywhere), is not that the two electrons are in two places at once. Instead, time is running both forward, from the electron leaving the wire, and backward, from its final location on the second screen. Where time meets, running backwards and forwards, determines which [path] the electron chooses. The future is affecting the past, all the time, on the quantum level.

Peace,
7L

[7luminaries]

on personal level you all probably can't consciously know how important this particular conversation is to me. being near the tip of an inverted pyramid isn't a comfortable position. but would you all mind jazzing it up a bit. this thing is getting heavy. (pity the poor guy at the top.) we'd all be more comfortable if we could agree to flip it over on it's base. lol

all for One and One for all! huzzah!

BTW I love that book...and the passion for justice and truth that ran through it.

And I agree...I think this topic is really important and is very dear to my heart.

The fact people are asking about and discussing this topic is such a thrill for me personally because to me it means we are becoming more aware of our larger reality from our own centre as it connects out to the rest of universe. This implies "responsibilities" to ourselves and one another...but I'll leave off on that for now :D (steps off soapbox...LOL...just momentarily :tongue: )

Peace,
7L

[Time]

Look up " the 100 monkey effect"

[Internal Queries]

BTW I love that book...and the passion for justice and truth that ran through it.

And I agree...I think this topic is really important and is very dear to my heart.

The fact people are asking about and discussing this topic is such a thrill for me personally because to me it means we are becoming more aware of our larger reality from our own centre as it connects out to the rest of universe. This implies "responsibilities" to ourselves and one another...but I'll leave off on that for now :D (steps off soapbox...LOL...just momentarily :tongue: )

Peace,
7L


OMG! i got some fancy chills from your post! teehee!

"grok!"

[moke64916]

It's been said for ages by mystics that our individuated consciousness exists in all of our possible alternate realities or lifetimes simultaneously...however, we physically experience them in a way that our physical brain interprets in linear fashion (with exceptions).

At a certain level of awareness, our experience of linear reality is not the "reality", as everything is now and all can be known. Interpretation and perpective are, I believe, the potentially tricky aspects. But science has begun to document (at the subatomic level) that the "future" and the "past" interact constantly, producing the "now". Time is really not a linear constant as we typically think of it, and this is why awareness and clarity of intention is key. Our clear awareness and conscious intention is really all we have at any moment.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/columnist/vergano/2010-11-21-physics-future_N.htm


Peace,
7L

That makes me wonder. How does all of this fit in with free will? That's the big question? If the 'Alpha and Omega,' The 'beginning' and the 'end.' The 'Here' and 'There' and 'Neither.' How this all does not interfere with free will? How all that works is amazing. I do not think 'Our' minds can interpret that. I've always wondered how 'Free Will' plays into this whole thing.

[moke64916]

on personal level you all probably can't consciously know how important this particular conversation is to me. being a block (head) near the apex of an inverted pyramid isn't a comfortable position so would you all Mind jazzing it up a bit. this thing is getting heavy. (pity the poor guy on the tip. what a balancing act!) we'd all be more comfortable if We could agree to flip this thing over on it's base. lol

All for One and One for All! huzzah!
lol. True, true. "Equalizing"

[surrendertotheflow]

Look up " the 100 monkey effect"

YES! Do as he says, I don't think I told it completely accurately, lol, but that's what I was talking about! :angel8:

[Internal Queries]

That makes me wonder. How does all of this fit in with free will? That's the big question? If the 'Alpha and Omega,' The 'beginning' and the 'end.' The 'Here' and 'There' and 'Neither.' How this all does not interfere with free will? How all that works is amazing. I do not think 'Our' minds can interpret that. I've always wondered how 'Free Will' plays into this whole thing.


ah well, if all timelines are going on simultaneously it's already done deal in the future. "free will" is an illusion as far as i'm concerned. no matter what you chose to do it will be exactly what you were suppose to do to facillitate the self you are presently in the future. lol fun stuff!

[moke64916]

ah well, if all timelines are going on simultaneously it's already done deal in the future. "free will" is an illusion as far as i'm concerned. no matter what you chose to do it will be exactly what you were suppose to do to facillitate the self you are presently in the future. lol fun stuff!
Yeah, but we still "feel like we can do whatever we want to do at every given moment. We are free to do as will. Everything happens at the right time, or it might be all planned out ahead of time. Free will is not an illusion to me. Free will is real, otherwise we would not feel freedom of choice. It is not an illusion, but how everything happens at the right time at the right moment. That everything is planned out ahead of time before reincarnation. As far as I think I know from a book. We choose the circumstances of Our lives and the people we will meet ahead of time before reincarnation. But the in betweens, no. Free will. If free will is an illusion then so is Being, so is God and so is everything. Without freewill be would not Be. It goes against everything if freewill is an illusion. My interpretation is differ than your, but thanks for sharing.

[surrendertotheflow]

ah well, if all timelines are going on simultaneously it's already done deal in the future. "free will" is an illusion as far as i'm concerned. no matter what you chose to do it will be exactly what you were suppose to do to facillitate the self you are presently in the future. lol fun stuff!


ahhhh I love the free will paradox lol

[Internal Queries]

Yeah, but we still "feel like we can do whatever we want to do at every given moment. We are free to do as will. Everything happens at the right time, or it might be all planned out ahead of time. Free will is not an illusion to me. Free will is real, otherwise we would not feel freedom of choice. It is not an illusion, but how everything happens at the right time at the right moment. That everything is planned out ahead of time before reincarnation. As far as I think I know from a book. We choose the circumstances of Our lives and the people we will meet ahead of time before reincarnation. But the in betweens, no. Free will. If free will is an illusion then so is Being, so is God and so is everything. Without freewill be would not Be. It goes against everything if freewill is an illusion. My interpretation is differ than your, but thanks for sharing.


moke? can you be other than yourself? if you managed to become someOne else would you not still be yourself as that someOne else? i mean, what real choice do you have other than to think, feel and behave as the self you are? change everything about yourself, change it all and you'd STILL be yourself changing it all, you'd STILL be the self that did the changing.

i understand that "free will" is an appealing illusion. it provides one with a sense of personal power. i just don't feel that power . i am that i am. **shrug** there's no "free will" in that fact.

[moke64916]

moke? can you be other than yourself? if you managed to become someOne else would you not still be yourself as that someOne else? i mean, what real choice do you have other than to think, feel and behave as the self you are? change everything about yourself, change it all and you'd STILL be yourself changing it all, you'd STILL be the self that did the changing.

i understand that "free will" is an appealing illusion. it provides one with a sense of personal power. i just don't feel that power . i am that i am. **shrug** there's no "free will" in that fact.
You have a point. But even with Being as Self. We still think when we "CHOOSE TO". When being we feel total FREEDOM. Without free will, we would not feel this "freedom." You may be right, but right is not wrong or wrong is not right. It is neither. So your interpretation might be different than mine. Being we feel that Freedom, without free will of choice, we would be like robots. lol

[surrendertotheflow]

I think you're both right lol

[Time]

The 100 monkey effect is when a scientist learned that every 100 generations of monkey he studied, learned a certain trait that was an advantaged, and furthermore, ended up staying as an inharent trait ( liek breathing almost), after 100 "monkeys" or generations.

That is the super super super cut and dry version

[Internal Queries]

You have a point. But even with Being as Self. We still think when we "CHOOSE TO". When being we feel total FREEDOM. Without free will, we would not feel this "freedom." You may be right, but right is not wrong or wrong is not right. It is neither. So your interpretation might be different than mine. Being we feel that Freedom, without free will of choice, we would be like robots. lol


hmmm. well, i'm endeavoring to be a "surrendered soul" as i find my wild animal struggle to be "free" pointless and tedious. the poor thing is caught and caged in my Love for my People and there's no point in tormenting it with hopes of freedom any longer. i'll submit to the "will of God" and i'll Be whatever i must Be in order to fulfill whatever purpose i'm manifesting as a human to perform. i give in. i give up. i belong entirely to my Self, my Soul, my "God", my People ... to you.

what can i say? ... i Love you.

[psychoslice]

Greetings..


But, there 'we' are, conscious and unique.. and your unique aspect of consciousness cannot know what my unique aspect of consciousness holds in the privacy of its mindscape..

Be well..
Yes diffidently, this is the illusion that is needed for our so called life to exists from the Source, but the truth is that all is Consciousness pretending to to be separate from Consciousness.

[TzuJanLi]

Greetings..

Yes diffidently, this is the illusion that is needed for our so called life to exists from the Source, but the truth is that all is Consciousness pretending to to be separate from Consciousness.
Like the unique patterns of water that we call snowflakes, each pattern is unique and separate from every other pattern, and.. each unique and separate pattern is made of the same substance, water.. water can be collected into great oceans, or isolated ponds, or icebergs, or clouds.. and, it's all still the same essence, water.. the water doesn't 'pretend', and the different states and forms are not illusions.. those descriptors are only useful when the relationships are not seen for what they are, perfectly natural..

Be well..

[psychoslice]

Greetings..


Like the unique patterns of water that we call snowflakes, each pattern is unique and separate from every other pattern, and.. each unique and separate pattern is made of the same substance, water.. water can be collected into great oceans, or isolated ponds, or icebergs, or clouds.. and, it's all still the same essence, water.. the water doesn't 'pretend', and the different states and forms are not illusions.. those descriptors are only useful when the relationships are not seen for what they are, perfectly natural..

Be well..
Yes I agree again, but how many see the relationship for what they are, how many are caught up in the illusion of separateness, i know that you Know what i am saying, but really, how many do, these are the ones that I am sharing what i say to ?. also water doesn't have a the story of being separate, and of course there are states as there are levels in the ocean, but all are ONE at the end of the day.

[moke64916]

Yes I agree again, but how many see the relationship for what they are, how many are caught up in the illusion of separateness, i know that you Know what i am saying, but really, how many do, these are the ones that I am sharing what i say to ?. also water doesn't have a the story of being separate, and of course there are states as there are levels in the ocean, but all are ONE at the end of the day.
Yes we are all one. I feel it everyday the unity with Everything. All of nature and humans. Once I felt that inner silence and deep sense of peace, I saw it in all the plants, and trees. The furniture, everything. I felt the consciousness of the flowers, and the trees. Each with unique aspects of consciousness. But we are all one. Different aspects of Consciousness that is unique in itself yet still all of the same. We are all one. But each individual is unique in their aspect as well. I agree with both of you.

[psychoslice]

Yes we are all one. I feel it everyday the unity with Everything. All of nature and humans. Once I felt that inner silence and deep sense of peace, I saw it in all the plants, and trees. The furniture, everything. I felt the consciousness of the flowers, and the trees. Each with unique aspects of consciousness. But we are all one. Different aspects of Consciousness that is unique in itself yet still all of the same. We are all one. But each individual is unique in their aspect as well. I agree with both of you.
Very nicely said Moke, I agree with both of us and you also, that is I agree in this moment, but that could change tomorrow lol.

[surrendertotheflow]

I watched this Science show on Collective consciousness as a whole. There is data now that can see it on a chart. For some reason before 9/11 happened, The line went drastically up in consciousness at 4:30 in the morning. Before it actually occured. It's like we were all aware of it unconsciously. The Scientists can not explain how. Other experiments show that people can unconsciously predict the future based on brain activity. How collective consciousness predicted 9/11 before it happened is a mystery. But the collective consciousness went sky high before it actually occured. So even future collective consciousness can effect us at an unconscious level. If science will ever be able to explain collective consciousness mathematically, I do not know. But scientists are now looking at consciousness as a whole. Saying that our consciousness creates certain events. I believe that is true. But I can not believe that Scientists are opening up to this idea. I always new that worldwide collective consciousness effects natural disasters, or that is my interpretation. It's amazing how 'a' subatomic particle can exist in multiple places at the same time. Can collective consciousness predict the future? I think it is possible, and science in now looking into that.


Moke I find this very interesting. Do they explain how they can chart it? How did the line spike at 4:30? I'm just curious as to what they devised that could calculate mass consciousness.... like, did it include my own?

[moke64916]

Moke I find this very interesting. Do they explain how they can chart it? How did the line spike at 4:30? I'm just curious as to what they devised that could calculate mass consciousness.... like, did it include my own?
I don't know, but they showed the chart lines spike up at 4:30A.M. How they made this graph, I do not know. But it has to do with Mass Consciousness. The Scientists can not explain why it happened. But it shows that people were aware of a future event unconsciously. I don't know if the chart was USA Collective conscious, or the world. But I saw the graph with my own eyes, and it spiked sky high starting at 4:30A.M.

[moke64916]

The show is called "Morgan Freeman Throughout the Wormhole" Episode 6th sense.

[mattie]

We can be aware of this or completely unaware of it, but it does affect us, albeit slightly if we’re not actively connecting w/ it. By this, I mean that the collective consciousness (CC) has a frequency level that is the combination of all those on this planet. It can raise or lower depending on the state of mind of humanity at the moment. Right now it is rising as so many are expanding their awareness & awakening.

We can be subtly influenced by the CC. For instance, we might be on the threshold of entering a new phase of our journey. This rise in CC might be just enough to be the incremental catalyst that we need to move on into this next phase. If we are actively connecting w/ the CC we can benefit more from these energies.

We can connect not only w/ the CC of this planet, but of the Universe.
Many are doing active energy work connecting w/ the CC.
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Suzan Carroll has written about how our individuality remains w/ Oneness.

‘..., this “new” group form is not a “herd mentality” but is, instead, a group mentality in which the sense of individuality is not lost. Instead, “individuality” lives in “unity” with Oneness. ‘

http://www.multidimensions.com/Superconscious/super_integration_awakening.html (My bolding.)

Each of us is an individual unique energy signature within Oneness. We are all the rich individual threads that weave the wonderful & varied Universal tapestry. If we were all undifferentiated oneness there would be no need to expand & recreate! The one element that is constant in the Universe (& us) is change.
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CC is different than predicting the future or predestination.

There are many possible options for the future. While the variety of options we have for every choice could be identified (from a larger perspective than we usually occupy), & even catalogued, this isn’t predestination. Given the different combination of choices possible for the countless of decisions & the millions of resulting possible pathways available for each decision in a given lifetime, there exists an almost infinite variety of outcomes.

[surrendertotheflow]

Wow thanks mattie for the awesome info!

And moke, thank you for letting me know what it is called. Somehow, I will find a way to watch that, lol. I'm very interested in this! Great thread :)

[7luminaries]

We can connect not only w/ the CC of this planet, but of the Universe.
Many are doing active energy work connecting w/ the CC.
------------
Suzan Carroll has written about how our individuality remains w/ Oneness.

‘..., this “new” group form is not a “herd mentality” but is, instead, a group mentality in which the sense of individuality is not lost. Instead, “individuality” lives in “unity” with Oneness. ‘

http://www.multidimensions.com/Super...awakening.html (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.multidimensions.co m%2FSuperconscious%2Fsuper_integration_awakening.h tml) (My bolding.)

Each of us is an individual unique energy signature within Oneness. We are all the rich individual threads that weave the wonderful & varied Universal tapestry. If we were all undifferentiated oneness there would be no need to expand & recreate! The one element that is constant in the Universe (& us) is change.


YES...that is a wonderful description of the collective consciousness...and we all do have our own unique energy.

Thanks so much for the link too..will definitely check it out.

Re: free will, I may have missed something...I wasn't quite sure how free will is challenged by being aware of and a part of the collective.

I'm still responsible for my intentions, thoughts, and actions...even though your (whomever) love and support may allow or or point or challenge me to go toward a particular direction. So I still have my individuated notion and reality of free will, however bounded or interactive that may or may not be.

Just curious...

Peace, blessings,
7L