What happens to a soul that fails to fulfill its purpose here?

[radareyes]

Is there any way for spiritual growth to continue if the souls purpose isn't actualized? Is the ego identity somehow disconnected from the soul, leaving behind what is essentially a hollow shell (and an individual that is depraved in some way)? All responses are welcome, but ideally I'd like to hear from someone who is responding experientially rather than just theoretically (i.e. a clairvoyant/psychic etc.)

Thanks,
Travis

[chadley]

Radar, fully actualizing your soul's purpose would be akin to becoming "fully enlightened". In other words, peope often have the misconception that you all of a sudden find enlightenment, or you are "saved" or your purpose is completed like a homework assignment or something. Every single human is by some degree enlightened and every single human on some level is fulfilling their purpose. It is an ongoing process that takes eons, maybe longer :)
I guarantee you that you will not fully actualize your soul's purpose in your current lifetime. However, it is more likely that you will more fully realize and express your soul's purpose as you go, one step at a time. One lifetime at a time.

Your spiritual growth will continue UNTIL your soul's purpose is fully realized.

Chadley.

[radareyes]

Radar, fully actualizing your soul's purpose would be akin to becoming "fully enlightened". In other words, peope often have the misconception that you all of a sudden find enlightenment, or you are "saved" or your purpose is completed like a homework assignment or something. Every single human is by some degree enlightened and every single human on some level is fulfilling their purpose. It is an ongoing process that takes eons, maybe longer :)


I'm not talking about realizing soul purpose on an ultimate level -- which I agree could only culminate in enlightenment -- but rather the soul's intentions for a particular lifetime. Maybe a good way to put it would be the act of "selling out" on one's spiritual path -- what repurcussions would this have in terms of that individual's spiritual evolution? As far as your assertion that every human being is on some level fulfilling their purpose, I agree, but I do think that it would be possible for a soul to spend a potentially very long period of time, lifetimes even, in a state of relative stagnation.


I guarantee you that you will not fully actualize your soul's purpose in your current lifetime.


I don't think there's any way for any human being -- enlightened or otherwise -- to "guarantee" that about anyone.

Travis

[tiltjlp]

Personally I don't see souls stagnating, rather they evolve slowly. I feel the goal of our souls is to learn lessons based both on our past life memories, and our human experiences. In that way we grow both personally and spiritually. Everything else seems to be window dressing, or merely other paths to that goal.

I'm not at all discounting anyone's beliefs here, we all have to make our journey our way. But as I've gotten older, I've wondered if it's not a lot simpler than most of us think it is. While I could be wrong, I think I've made a lot of personal and spiritual progress in my 60 years, and when the time comes for me to reincarnate, I only hope I'm right, so I can continue evolving.

John

[chadley]

Travis, this is a great subject. Before we get too into it, because, this is quite a can of worms you are opening, I might suggest that you check out the thread I started on this topic under spiritual development/what is your purpose. You might find some useful things in there.

Couple things first. Sure, you are right, I can't guarantee that you will not fully realize your purpose or for that matter, at some point, just burst into a brilliant flame of white light at some point in this current lifetime. In fact, I would even claim myself that i am well on my way to allowing my individual lifetime purpose to unfold. Sorry if I misunderstood.

I completely understand what you are talking about when you are speaking of your individual purpose in this lifetime, as you may discover after reading the above thread.

You ask, "what repurcussions would this have in terms of that individual's spiritual evolution?" Well, this is an easy one, because you are living in the reprecussions of all that is not harmonious with your divine intent right now. Every single consequence, reprecussion, and discomfort in your life is in your life for a precise reason, to show you where you are not in line with your purpose.

Chadley.

[Enlightener]

When evolving there are no negative repercussions if you "fail" to achieve your current goal. If you do not fulfill your "destiny" you do not get punished or anyhting like that you simply start over, you start a new life with possibly the same "lessons" that you needed to learn but failed to learn in the previous lifetime. Though I should say that life is not a school and you are not here to learn lessons you are simply here to evolve and experience the divine.
Also; you ARE your soul, you are not your body or your mind, you are your soul. Thus you can never be 'disconnected' from God in any way, it is just not possible.
If the soul's purpose isn't actualised in a lifetime, even after many lifetimes of fine-tuning, then the soul will simply return to the physical to come to an awareness of it's 'purpose', it will take as long as it wants to and chooses to take to fulfill this purpose.
This is why Jesus visited Earth, to remind us of our purpose so that we would not be lost in the hell that is non-actualisation. That is what he meant when he said the word hell; he did not mean an acutal place where you are in everlasting torment, what purpose would God have in that?
Though you can never become lost in the hell of non-realisation forever, for God is there with you in every moment, holding out It's hand, guiding you back home.
It is your deepest desire to return home, even if you do not even know it yet, thus you WILL return home one day.

Enlightener

[GoldChord]

Radareyes,

I agree with Enlightener whole-heartedly. It is also important to remember that (I believe) there is no time limit for growth. The divine is infinite. We can take as long as we need to evolve - to make the right choices. That is the beauty about free will. We can choose as you put it to 'stagnate' - though I agree with tiltjlp - I do not believe souls ever stagnate - they just need more assistance. Remember the story about God and the footprints in the sand? The person walking with God looks back and seeing only one set of footprints asks God why he abandoned him during the struggle/hard times. God says 'I never abandoned you - I was carrying you'. This is what God is doing for us - he is carrying us and waiting for us to make the choices that will allow him to put us down so he can walk beside us and we can know him/her in his/her true glory and thereby experience ourselves in the same light.

Take care.

[eternity]

Radareyes,
If a soul does not as you say fulfill its purpose here then it will go back to the astral plane and be able to have more teaching.
There are many fine teachers on each plane to help the advancing soul to its final purpose.
Light and grace.
Eternity.

[jojobean]

It's been said by others that before you are born you make a guideline or a goal. Because you have free will in the life you are born to, the choices you make affect how you reach your goal. should you fail to complete the goal you set out before you came here, you get to try again in the next life. You can choose what you need to learn and what you need to give. Life lessons are simply that - life lessons for your soul. You can also choose when you are done as well.

enlightener said it well, as did gold chord. we learn at our own pace.

[Glorymist]

radareyes - -

Soul is a being that is truly beyond matter / energy / space / and time. Yet Soul uses these as "tools" to discover and understand Itself thru experience. Thru reincarnation and karma - - Soul can literally take "forever" to figure all of this out. There is no time limit. What we do not "learn" at one time will be learned at another - - under similar situations tho perhaps under differing circumstances.

This understanding / growth will continue forever - - even after Soul truly does know Itself on Its own (Soul) level - - beyond the realm of matter / energy / space / time - - or perhaps put another way - - mind / emotions / physical body.

Ego - - is *not* an actual or viable aspect of Soul Itself - - any way one wishes to look at it. The "essence" of all mental and emotion awareness is carried from one lifetime to the next. Both basic and learned ego would be a part of that.

Try to understand that each lifetime is set up as a number of options or possibilities. Soul can the work with them or against them within each incarnation. Free will applies to many levels of life.

:smile:

Glory

[daisy]

doesn't the soul continue to 'progress' in spirit?

[Glorymist]

Most certainly Soul can learn wherever It is if that is It's perception and awareness.

The physical plane is set up the way it is for a reason. It is much easier to access "higher" dimensions from here by raising one's vibratory rate than it is to "lower" one's rate from the higher planes to access the physical. The physical realm is where it all comes together. One cannot deal with physical world karmic implications from the other dimensions - - tho one can often dismiss "other" dimensional karmic implications while here in the physical because they can be dealt with via the dream state.

The "weight" of any karmic implications clouds and manipulates the viewpoint of Soul and must be released to be able to discern to the degree that It can take major steps most anywhere.

It is also much more difficult to bring learned lessons from the other dimensions down into the physical than the other way around. If - - say - - one makes a major study of the nature and use of ego while "living" on the mental worlds - - and then incarnates into the physical - - much of that learning will be somewhat lost due to the overwhelming power of the physical senses and the need to apply what was learned on the mental worlds to the physical world. The nature of "living there" is SO much different than here - - it is very, very tough to apply here in the physical.

There are - - most certainly - - exceptions to all of this.

The bottom line - - Soul will progress anywhere and everywhere only if and when It chooses to do so. Very little is ever done "for" Soul. Each must learn to take full responsibility for ALL actions on ALL levels at ALL times. Period.

And - - after all - - this is just for consideration only.

:wink:

Glory

[eternity]

Hello Radareyes,
I give you my word that the soul will make progress no matter what.
Planet earth is a learning teaching school and people will live life the way they wish to.
The soul is like a hard drive and collects all thoughts and the entire life process of each incarnation.
Each time it leaves the human form it is taught by higher souls,it has a duty to advance and is given all the help that is required.
Light and grace.
Eternity.