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Truthbearer
13-11-2006, 12:23 AM
I previously posted this in Science/spirituality - but this seems to be the thread for Ascension... oKa

TAKING RESPONSIBILITY .. from Terra (Earthmother)



The Human Counterweight in Ascension

Or
Are you pulling your weight?
Or
The Human (physical) counter balance (to the non-physical)
Or
Are you taking responsibility for your own Ascension?


And more to the point..
How are you pulling your weight?
How are you taking responsibility?
Have you an absolute balanced etheric field?
Do you know what your ascension responsibilities are?

First.
One must have all the dimensions covered – this also means one has defined and can commune with the full 4 Density, 15 dimensional field in ones Subtle Body Realm.
Dimensions 1, 2 and 3 – is the humans responsibility
4,5,6 – the Nature Realms
7,8,9 - Soul
10,11,12 – Source and Earth/now ‘Terra’
13,14,15 – Source of Source – Founder/Guardian Races.
Note: angelics are of the 8th dimension, and are ones librarians/recorders, not guides.

Now the rub is this..
The human sits at the lower vibrational bandwidths, and these are not the required frequencies to anchor, nor hear all this higher dimensional collaborative and mentoring. There are many beings and entities, of the lower vibrational field, that just love to invade ones field, and make out something they are not.
Except for the Nature Realms.
So first, one has to inquire as to ones individual and personal Nature Guide – and use their immense guidance and wisdoms, to keep one moving, to keep inquiring of what there is to do next. To get one to the next level of communion.

Soul –
Soul is shattered and scattered on the planet Earth.
The whole of Ascension is The Unification of Soul – in absolute terms.
These ‘absolute terms’ means that Soul is TRUTH.
Absolute TRUTH is absolute Soul – and vice versa.

And how one re-unites soul, is through clearing karma.
With each karma cleared, one is retreiving a lost soul fragment.
Every karmic circumstance, where one either perpetrated or was the victim of, one lost informational truths of self, (energy signatures)records from the blueprint, emotions, and chi. The ‘records’ from the blueprints, are ‘soul’ records – as you are soul having the human experience.
And all matter lost or accrued, stays lost or accrued. Until the inner karmic work is done to retreive lost matter of (past)self, or return anothers matter.

Initially as one clears a percentage of karma, one is actually healing the Biologicol Blueprint – this is called AUTHENTIC HEALING.
All other healing is a band-aid – as the only way to address the etheric body realms and the blueprints – is to investigate, reveal, understand and forgive (or say sorry) to a past karmic circumstance.
These are termed ‘TRUTHS’. Truths of even why humanity is at the lowest level of consciousness.



First the Biologicol Blueprint is addressed, the ascending initiate then acquires all the rest – called ASCENSION BLUEPRINTS. Called Ascension Blueprints, as they are the virtual ascension maps – the blueprints for ascension.
The etheric blueprints sit on top of the outside ‘skin’/membrane of the etheric body approx 1 cm beyond the physical skin.

1. Biologicol Blueprint – the initial healing blueprint (and map).
The work done in this blueprint starts the healing of all ‘this life’ dysfunctions – body, organs, relationships (family and past beloveds). Some unwanted dysfunctional personality traits and some mental abherrations.

http://www.ascendpress.org/PDF-files/Polarity.Checklist.pdf (http://www.ascendpress.org/PDF-files/Polarity.Checklist.pdf)

2. Lineage Blueprint – revealing relevant karma from each lineage
The inner work done in this blueprint, reveals all ones lineages and the work therein to enhance the lineage that have ascension truths, and dampen the ones that cannot ascend. Also reveals some dysfunctional personality traits.
The karmic healing work is also revealed in the Single Polarities of the Language of Light (Spiritual School of Ascension). And through inquiry into ones own 24 Birth Lineages, which will be by way of questions to a pendulum.

3. Ancestral Blueprint - revealing karma
The inner work done in this blueprint, goes towards finding all ones ancestral/astral pastselves, and revealing the karma to address.
The karmic work in this blueprint is ongoing through the SingleTones and the Dual and the Tri-tones in the Language of Light. As each karma cleared is addressing ones ‘Tapestry of Ancestry’, the Ancestral Temples in Earths Akashic Records.

4. Angelic Blueprint
The angelics mechanised themselves a long time ago. It is up to each initiate to reveal all mechanised recorders/angelics, and to dismantle and pull in ones authentic recorders.
This is revealed as one asks the questions. And allows Soul to lead one to the clearing work to facilitate authentic angelic recorders.

5. Holographic Blueprint
The karmic healing in this blueprint, will reveal many of ones Ascension Roles, and ones mastery truths. Each one has an individual holographic truth pertaining to ones individual hologram (at ones first seeding).
There are many holograms, owing to the many lineages. It is up to the ascending initiate to investigate the highest hologram (they have ever been, or ever had). And then work from this hologram only. This will reveal your mastery. The karmic work done in this blueprint, will be in the Language of Light Tri-tones – ones multi-dimensional, multi-specie truths of being. And revealing many of ones mastery designations.

6. Soul Blueprint
The karmic healing in this blueprint, will retrieve all ones Soul complement, all ones complete Soul. The retrieval of all soul being - all higher senses of the five new chakras. The healing of the endocrine.
All the work in this blueprint is the healing of soul – and this is revealed in the Language of Light Dual tones, and Tri tones. All karma is addressing at the Original Cause level, and these are the most ancient. As humanity lost soul a long time ago. And it will be through revealing and completing each karma, that one will retreive what one lost.

7. Source Blueprint.
The work in this blueprint is the regeneration of the physical form and the creation of the 4th dimensional crystalline form. Retreival of sacred sciences, Spiritual Laws and Truths that will ascend the self, and others.
To create the physical form that is progressively enabled to perceive and participate in action in the higher dimensional fields.
A continuence of the karmic work in the Tri tones and the revealing of the Quadtones. Acquiring Divinity. All lost truths of Earthplane Laws of Physicality, and the Law of One. Starting the journey to the state of Rishi.

With the use of a pendulum one can easily obtain the knowledge of the karmic polarities one is at present sitting within. These polarities are preventing your ascension.
Ascendpress have created ‘polarity checkers’. A fun way to reveal your polarities and to discover the integrity of your pendulum, as a yes or no spin is not required.
To print out and lay flat (for pendulum accuracy). With each one, start your pendulum rocking down the centre, and allow it to rock to and show you the negative or positive polarity. Within all polarities, are many karmas.
http://www.ascendpress.org/PDF-files/Polarity.Check.pdf (http://www.ascendpress.org/PDF-files/Polarity.Check.pdf)


There is karmic work, also called ‘the inner work’,to be done in all the blueprints. One will be clearing karma right up to ascension.

If one is intending to ascend, retreival of the whole ascension map, and the map for the biology to create the 4th dimensional crystalline form is the required ascension work. The body requires this map to make the necessary changes, and this map is in the Source Blueprint.

There is communion anchored as all blueprints are addressed – as clearing karma creates a very close collaboration with ones souls, it is they who are mentoring one through every completion.

As it is the higher communion, of Earthmother, Source, and Guardians that will guide you to your World and Universal Service Ascension responsibilities.
It is they that orchestrate the doors to open, and events to manifest in absolute harmony and fulfillment.

The Inner Work in the Lineage Blueprint.

Humanity is now the genetic mix of many races and other worlds. Some re-located from dying planets, and created beautiful lives for themselves. Some came to use and control (and their future ancestors are still here doing so) Some were scientists just checking this planet out.. and so on and so forth.
Irregardless of their reasons for relocating to Earth – the fact of the matter now, is that some of these lineages that you now have cannot ascend you.
Some of these lineages are not ensouled, and have absolutely no ascension truths. And may even have you creating harmful circumstances, due to the nature of these blueprints.
Some are spiritual, but not ascension bound.
The Anu, also created 2 slave races – that we now also have in our genetic mix. Also non-ascension.

The 24 Birth Lineages (the work of The Spiritual School of Ascension)

Each human is born with 24 Lineages.
In the investigation of these lineages, one first defines the ascending ones, and the non-ascending ones.
Because it is the non-ascending ones, that are interferring with the ascending initiates potential to ascend.

The Non-ascending Blueprints of the Anu and slave races.
There is the inner work to be done within all of ones lineages.
It will be the inner work done of the non-ascending ones, that can ‘dampen’ the impact (and the thoughtform) of these non-ascending lineages. As all lineages are blueprints in themselves, and all have a map/journey/thinking and even personality traits.

The Ascending Lineages of the Red Root Races and Sirian Grandmasters
It is the inner work done with the ascending ones, that
(a) one retreives all truths in these blueprints –
(b) one enhances these truths and works with these truths
(c) one reveals all ones mastery designations
(d) and then knows all ascension responsibilities and tasks (World and Universal Service).
We are not to be kept in ignorance of our mastery, nor of our Active service roles – but all the while one has karmic debt, and has not authentically dismantled one karma, one has not retreived their ascension map/blueprint information.
As karmic clearing IS THE ONLY WAY TO RETREIVE ALL THESE LOST TRUTHS.

This is the truth and principle of clearing karma.
Reveal the circumstance where your past ancestors originally lost these truths – soul and angelic go to work in a vaste retreival and return process, and (angelic) re-recording the blueprints, of both the original victim and the original perpetrators (now a million of both).

Karma and its principle is a Fire Letter.
Transcendation is a Capstone Code
(Freedom Teaching – www.azuritepress.com (http://www.azuritepress.com/))

Both, and their absolute knowledge – of the karma dynamic and its clearing principle is a requirement of each and every ascending initiate.

One cannot ascend without clearing all karma.
It will be through each karma cleared, one retreives lost truths, sacred truths/sciences, insodoing one is retreiving LOST DNA information.
THIS is how you re-connect your DNA. How each being with an individuated consciousness must clear karma to retreive lost informational Truths.
And how I am re-connecting mine.
You lost it through a karma (a purposeful action on the part of the Annunaki/greek gods and their minions an eon ago) and you can, and must, retreive what your past ancestor lost, generally to the Anu and all the false gods/’ascended masters’ (who have ascended nowhere and mastered nothing) by revealing that very same karma.
And when you are ready to understand this retreived information and use it in a very real way – your souls and guardians will download it into your consciousmind. (through the dream/meditational modality/tarot etc.

You do not do this (nigh on impossible) work alone – you have help from Nature Guides, Earthmother and Souls. They guide the initiate to each karma ready for clearing to its completion its absolute and authentic healing.

To transcend, is to transcend all polarity – into Unity thinking and Being.
Over 50% one becomes a Bodhisattva – State of Grace – Acceptance and Allowance of All That Is.
100% one Ascends. Not because you have no karma left, but because as you clear karma you are creating different circumstances/map for the biology to follow.

One cannot transcend if no karma has been transmuted.
A very defined, purposeful action is required.
As transcendation, transmutation – is about polarity thoughtform, and all polarity thoughtform is karmic.. caused a karma.
Through the clearing process, one transmutes each polarity, transcends each polarity. When each Unity (middle-ground of each polarity) is achieved.
And the body transforms itself.
As authentic transcendation is not only a spiritual elevation – it is also a biologicol transformation.
(aka thoughtform – the very much ‘you are what you think’.)

Mapcarvers.
All this, and more, has been revealed by the mapcarvers of Ascension.
The ascension truths of karma – its disabling and interferring mechanism, and the truths and principle of the clearing dynamic. www.ascendpress.org (http://www.ascendpress.org/) and www.azuritepress.com (http://www.azuritepress.com/)

It will be as you reveal and dismantle each karma, at the Original Cause level, that the Unity paradigm can be achieved.
One can then start their Ascension Initiations in earnest.

Pendulum - The essential Ascension Tool.

One cannot get to the ascension truths with the mental mind, it knows absolutely nothing about ascension – nor with intuitition. Intuition is severely limited.
Yes the pendulum is iffy – as, at first there is not the integrity of the Creative Subtle Body mind. So one must persevere.

It is as one clears karma, one is actually dismantling the mental and emotional subtle bodies, and merging into the Intuitive and Creative.
Also dismantling the unconscious, which is the space between the meridians .. thereby allowing the meridians to widen to accept copious amounts of chi – this is where the ascending initiate becomes physically fatter.
And also dismantling the astral planes.
Every initiate clearing karma, is integrating every astral consciousness apropos to each karma cleared. The astral was never meant to be (the unrealised consciousness that didn’t reunite in the physical) And now must be cleared up for ascension.
Many people channel the astral – they do not have any ascension truths.
The same for the ascended master and false angelic phenomena.
‘saintmichael’ is a broadcast by the Nibiruan influences on this planet.
And have no ascension truths.

As one pendulums, one must preface each question ‘for ascension truth and clarity’.. thereby ‘attaching’ or directing all questions to the Creative Subtle Body mind.
And anchor the self to the Earth – ground, but as a visualisation to the Aurora, rather than just saying ‘ground’.

Ascension Initiations


Initiations are not with any physical school, organisation, religion or such.
Initiations are monitored by ones souls, angelics and guardians. To see if one has fully embodied a new truth or not.
One is either living a Unity Paradigm or not. (or still in the polarity).

One will be tested.
This is why those ascending, will not be guided to be a recluse, live in a cave, or a monestary. Or, in fact, attached to any religion whatsoever.
It is the karmic mirror that will test you, again and again.
One either reacted or not – was triggered or not.
This is something one cannot fake, as soul is within you , monitoring your very thoughts and your body monitoring your physical reactions.

Generally ‘failing’ is the only way we really and truly understand. And is to be embraced.

Why initiations?

As one ascends into the higher frequencies, one is privy to halls and temples of learning, healing – Akashic Records.
And all of ones Ascension Agreements, responsibilities, Templar Guardianship roles, portal opening/protection roles and so forth.
If
(a) one does not have their body healed, or does not understand the requirement for it to be healed – one does not understand how the body can be vampired and stripped of all truths, even retreived truths. As that is how we lost all our sacred truths, lessor beings vampiring us, without our knowledge.
(b) If one has not anchored all communion – and a daily structure of how to listen to the unspoken, and unseen – then how will one hear all the directions and instructions.
(c) If one does not know the truths and Purpose of each of ones non-physical ‘Ascension Team’ – then one does not know one requires protection in many of these world service responsibilities. If one does not know – one will not be led to their True Roles and Responsibilities in Ascension.

Ascension is very difficult. It takes an ongoing effort to do the inner work, and an ongoing effort to anchor all Ascension Communion.
It is then, one can be mentored to do and Be all that one is required of them for Ascension. More importantly one can be protected as one does this very important Ascension work. As there are many factions hindering ascension at this time.

Namaste and Deep Blessings on your Ascension Journey

Terra
Channeled through oKa – White Buffalo Woman, Truthbearer.


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Pounamu
13-11-2006, 01:55 AM
Beloved Truthbearer...
Thank you for your channel above.

I would like to ask: How is the material on the azurite website, being a Melchizedech Order and putting forward the idea of Merkaba-type fields to be reconciled with the SSOA idea of rotational fields being the requirement of the magnetic energies of Terra?

I await your reply with interest!

Namaste,
Pounamu

dreamer
13-11-2006, 01:11 PM
Thanks for posting that Terra. Do you have any simple reminders that might help in the process?

kundalini
15-11-2006, 02:02 AM
I'd really like to know why ALIENS have to be brought into it all...What I mean to say is, why is there such a belief that the human race stem from alien civilisations?

I do not mean to insult anyone's beliefs here but what I would like to say is that when people keep talking about alien races, then it just seems to me like they are saying 'I am a human but not really, I'm really an hybrid' or 'I like to make out I'm an alien because I don't really like the idea of being a human.'

As for fear and negative propaganda to keep the masses in line, I have never heard anything worse than 'our governments are really being controlled by alien races'.

I believe that is a fear-inducing belief so when I keep hearing people say that there's an alien war going on above us for control of the planet...well, where is the proof of this?

I detest the actions of people who spread this vitriol because they are the most fear-inducing people of all. That humankind is not in control of it's own destiny. That it doesn't matter what we do anyway because humans are a slave race.

I'm not saying that I don't believe in aliens either because they surely exist in a universe as large as ours but I would like to know why people insist that there are aliens all around us...it's just fear-inducement.

BLAIR2BE
15-11-2006, 02:16 AM
im with kundalini on this one............?????

rose
15-11-2006, 08:14 AM
i get concerned about the "elitism" of all this...just my two cents. thanks anyway truthbearer for sharing this with us :)

Pounamu
15-11-2006, 12:23 PM
Hi Everyone,

On the question of alien races, Kundalini:
I can only speak from my understanding of what I've been taught and some of which I have tested out by my own sensing and appears to be right - but that's all the guarantee I can give of the veracity of this...

Apparently Earth as a planetary consciousness did not originally plan to have humankind on her at all, as they have such a bad reputation for being wreckers of living systems. However, the Sirians were in a jam and decided to land humans here anyway - so all humans on the planet are "aliens" from that point of view.
I am told that humans consist of one species the Universe over; but there appear to be many variations within the species, although all of these can interbreed, as the DNA is basically the same pattern.

As you say, there are bound to be plenty of different human races / civilisations within our universe; and the Sirians were of course not the only ones who developed the technology to enable them to go forth to other systems and seed their race there. And there are records in the Akasha and in the DNA of such visitations having happened on numerous occasions. However, all this is not credible from a conventional scientist's point of view; but we know that they can only see part of the picture with their dependance on physical measurements. So its hard to PROVE these things, if the "subjective" experience of psychic researches cannot be taken into account. However, as I have stated elsewhere, when one ascends, part of the process is to settle the karma of one's ancestral lineages, and in researching that one is able to construct an ever more detailed and web-like picture of what happened in the earlier days of humanity on Earth. This is how we know that these slave races were generated, and these visitors from other star systems came here and changed things to suit their own agendas.

Rose - as far as this "elitist" question goes, I have met this objection before. It is not that the ascenders are trying to be 'elitist'. It is that humanity on this planet have been so mucked about with genetically, that only those with certain key ancestral lineages in their makeup have the biological information needed to be able to sucessfully carry out all the biological changes that are required in order to ascend. For instance, in order to become of Unity Consciousness one has to change the DNA that causes one to be dogmatic and polarised in one's thoughts. This can only be done if one can transmute such DNA and the physical body structure it generates, if the correct enzymes are able to be made by the physical body. If that genetic information is missing, there's no way one can do these changes.

So its a matter of having the necessary DNA - 'the right stuff' - not a matter of arrogance or elitism. You can't turn a nut with a screwdriver, you need a spanner; in the same way, if you haven't Sirian 'Grand Master' lineages somewhere in your birth-ancestry, you can't ascend beyond a certain point, because the necessary genetic instructions are not there.

Again, the Sirian situation has demonstrated the unwisdom of having a "multi-class" human system; because the original settlers were of the lower class with 15,000 strands of DNA (having been cloned that way), and the 'Grand Master' Sirians who came later to rule them had been cloned to have 36,000 strands of DNA - the Sirian High Prieshood Elite had 124,000 strands! A lot of genetic instructions had been left out of the original settlers (the Red Sirians); but even the so-called Grand Masters had not the full complement of genetics available on Sirius.

This messing around with the human genome has resulted now in many lineages of humans who are not equipped with the wherewithal to ascend properly; when it was the original design of a human that they would all be able to do this, when their work on this level was complete. This has made the process of ascension - a natural process - a problematic one for humanity upon Earth. And unfortunately the time has come in Cosmic Cycles for Earth and her living beings to go up in vibratory frequency; and this requires all living beings upon Earth to match this rise in frequency - or find life too hard to continue in embodiment. One can only match frequencies like this by ascending.

Hopefully these explanations may help - please question further if not. :smile:

Pounamu

kundalini
15-11-2006, 03:02 PM
Hi Pounamu, I had anticipated a reply from you. It was very informative. However, as you say, I do have a few questions...

Although you made reference to the fact that you have sensed certain things to be correct with regards to alien civilisations, you did not go into detail. What kind of things have you sensed to be true and why?

I am of the understanding too that Earth has a planetary consciousness, although I have severe doubts as to whether it would discriminate and have objections against the human race settling on her. Also, this belief ( and I am not saying this is the same for you Pounamu ) seems to me to come from a person who judges humanity constantly and the belief itself would stem from a lack of self-love. Why would I say this? Well, sure, humanity has created a lot of problems and sometimes collectively, we don't always get everything right but I know one thing for sure - sometimes we get it right! In fact, only in the last 2000 years or so, as humanity even been aware of the problems it has been causing the environment and it is probably only in the last 100 years, that humankind has even had the capacity to fix these problems.

Why were the Sirians in a jam? Why did this highly-spiritual race ignore Gaia's wishes and land humans here anyway? Whilst I would say humankind has been visited by Aliens in the past, I draw the line that we actually stem from them.

How does a human gain a more detailed and weblike picture of their ancestral lineage and in so doing, gain a clearer picture of how these slave races came into being? Do they have visions where they see how this happens?

Until rose mentioned the elitism of it all, I had not realised that only 'certain' people could gain UNITY CONSCIOUSNESS. I find this remarkable. I have had moments when I feel unified with all of life on this planet, that one could call unity consciousness...not a thought, just an indescribable feeling but does that make me special, ...I would think not. So what does that mean Pounamu?

Kundalini

Pounamu
16-11-2006, 11:53 AM
Kundalini,
Your questions really demand an essay; but I will try to be concise in my explanations. I feel it is good that you ask these questions - it should be of interest to everyone following this thread. I couldn't let that opportunity pass without a comment or two! :D

(1) Although you made reference to the fact that you have sensed certain things to be correct with regards to alien civilisations, you did not go into detail. What kind of things have you sensed to be true and why?
Although I am not very "psychic" in the way of clairvoyance, I am able to test my truth with a pendulum - as Truthbearer said, it is an essential for an ascending initiate to be able to test their truth to be able to navigate their way through the many pitfalls of the process - many of which are due to the opposers (dark forces). Every so often we of the Ascension School would be given a project to carry out, researching some aspect of our inheritance; and of course there is the ongoing release of karma that can often require an in-depth investigation. From these studies, and other things that have happened in my life before I chose to ascend consciously, I have gleaned some first-hand experience of - for instance - details of my ancestral inheritance which confirm to me that the collected accounts of pre-history by other ascension students are in accord with my own ideas of it. Of course, there are many such students who are excellent clairvoyants, and can glean a much clearer view of it than I can; and so why should we invalidate the collective accounts if we can't check them minutely ourselves? Even conventional scientists take others' gained knowledge and build upon it themselves, building up a more detailed picture of the matter they're investigating.

So... I am satisfied that, for instance, I have lineages from the Pleiadean "Annanuki" people who came to Earth long before Atlantean times and genetically engineered at least two slave races (to mine their gold and serve them, and to fight for them); karma I had with a friend recently was derived from that, and the case was well researched by us, and by the Director of the School, as she needed to know what was going on in the School energetics, because it was causing a problem. So I am sure that slave races with cut-down DNA, part Red Sirian and part Anu, were in fact generated; others who have looked into this give us all a more detailed account of what actually went on in those times. The ascendpress site goes into this pre-history with great detail. If all karma has to be balanced for Earth and at least some humans upon her to ascend, all this has to be gone into, so there are plenty of beings - human and non-physical - working on getting a clear picture of it all so it can be "put to rest" and tidied up.

(2) Why were the Sirians in a jam? Why did this highly-spiritual race ignore Gaia's wishes and land humans here anyway?
The Sirians were in a jam because they were having territory wars with the Pleiadeans - mostly the battles were in outer space; but in one case a Pleiadean commander took things too far and nuked one of the Sirian home planets, reducing it to rubble and making it a water planet (like Earth) due to the shattering of the ice shields the Sirians had constructed to keep the climate more comfortable for them. This spurred them to see if another planet would be suitable for them to evacuate to in the event of another Pleiadean attack. Earth was in "their" territory, so they landed some 18 different strains of Sirian humans here to see which, if any, would survive.

They apparently did not attempt to contact Earth's consciousness and ask permission to land humans; who knows why that was? But it sure indicated that they were not tuning in to their God-selves as they should have done... We do the same today when we get in a panic about something! For one thing, one can see in this scenario that there are grave disadvantages to humans being able to transport themselves to other worlds, where they do not belong, and can so easily mess up what is going on there, quietly minding its own business. If one is really spiritually advanced and practiced in remote viewing or projecting one's consciousness, there is no need to go physically to other planets to explore them.

As it happened, only 7 of the 18 strains of humans from Sirius survived, and they form the "original" 7 human races on the planet. They were gentle folk, who lived in harmony with Earth's creatures.

(3) How does a human gain a more detailed and weblike picture of their ancestral lineage and in so doing, gain a clearer picture of how these slave races came into being? Do they have visions where they see how this happened?
Yes, as I said, a goodly proportion of ascension students whom I have known are clairvoyant, or developing such; and each contributes another bit of the picture of the whole, which like a web has lots of gaps or unknown parts to begin with, but progressively gets more and more filled in. Those who are not clairvoyant can, by asking the right questions, ascertain what lineages they were born with, what the lineages of their siblings and other relatives with whom they interact are, and so on. This is part of the process of developing Unity Consciousness - you begin to realise why you get on well, or don't get on with a certain member of your family or work-group; and then you can more easily forgive them, and intend to clear the karma. And have a better idea of what kind of thinking motivates them, and how to approach them in a successful way.

(4) Until rose mentioned the elitism of it all, I had not realised that only 'certain' people could gain UNITY CONSCIOUSNESS. I find this remarkable. I have had moments when I feel unified with all of life on this planet, that one could call unity consciousness...not a thought, just an indescribable feeling but does that make me special, ...I would think not. So what does that mean Pounamu?
It really is a matter of degree of Unity Consciousness; an unascended human at 2 strands of DNA activated (which is the majority) has one eighteen-thousandth of the capacity of a human at Full Consciousness to express his Soul nature. So such humans are very limited, and generally think in black-and-white terms, are judgemental and dogmatic. As ascension takes place, the ability to think in more compassionate and collaborative terms increases. At about 1800 strands of DNA activated (cleared of karma), one is largely past the dogmatic, highly polarised thought-habits; so the life of such an one is much more fulfilling and positive. For one thing, you are collecting up the fragments of yourself, as Earth Mother said, so you are becoming more 'whole' and more capable. And apparently all humans can readily go to 1024 strands, and most can go to 1800. After that stage, especially much above 2200 strands, one really needs to be consciously intending to ascend and evolve oneself spiritually - and have the genetics for it.

So depending on what level you're at, you may have fairly brief episodes of Unity Consciousness; but of course the aim of ascension is to make that consciousness an ongoing experience throughout one's day - and that's not as easy to do as it may sound! It demands a lot of hard work and alertness.

Realise that although the figures given above may sound very "cut and dried" and clinical or mechanical, they have been arrived at by experience, gained by the Directors of the School I was at.

It can generally be said that if you are interested in spiritual things, you most likely have the capacity to ascend to at least some degree, as those who do not have the genetics for it, don't have any interest in doing it either - not surprisingly, as it is Soul acting through the DNA that urges one to ascend. If there isn't any "ascension instruction" DNA in one's birth lineages, what would then be able to spur one on? The ascension instructions were purposely left out of the slave races, so they would not want to better their lot, break free and evolve themselves.

Hope this information helps... I'm off to bed - its past 10;40 pm, and there's much to be done tomorrow - I'm selling up my stuff preparatory to moving away.

Blessings...
Pounamu. :wink:

kundalini
16-11-2006, 02:48 PM
LOL, you wrote an essay! However, your essay has opened up more questions for me to ask. Don't get me wrong Pounamu, I am not challenging the validity of your claims but merely investigating the whys and wherefores of your beliefs. I would like to know why it is you believe what you do and I have to admit, it is an interesting topic.

So, my first question is who are the dark forces that you mention? How is it that a tool as simple as the pendulum can fool these dark forces? Are you certain that the clairvoyants among your numbers are sincerely having true visions, rather than fantasising ( not purposely ) about the origins of life? I am certain that you understand my approach here...it can sometimes be very easy for the mind to build a picture around something that is false...how certain can you be that their visions are genuine visions?

Why are two supposedly highly-spiritual races having an intergalactic war? I would have thought it would be relatively easy and easily-intended for the two races to settle their differences...is this war still going on today and why did it begin in the first place? Also, how are these races getting around the galaxy...is their technology so advanced that they can travel faster than the speed of light? Why have they not shown themselves to humanity if this is the case?

The next question is something of an unusual question but I have my reasons - what do these two races ( the Sirians and the Pleidians ) look like physically? Can you describe their anatomy somewhat?

Now about the beginnings of Unity Consciousness - I can understand the approach that you adhere to for it is something that many people, myself included, adhere to or rather try to adhere to...however, why is it that you are so certain that only the people with those genes can advance so much spiritually where as other people can't. This is unusual for me for I am rarely the sceptic but where is your proof of this? Have you tested the more spiritually advanced people at the School for activated genes? Indeed, does such a process exist where you can actually do this? For example, if you have not done this, then surely it would be very easy for an ( shall we say ) imposter to claim they are most advanced and so in that deference to those claims, you credit more respect to them than they truly deserve...That would be an observed downfall to not really knowing about these genes...

I noted that the figures you gave were arrived at by the measurement of experience but you did not say how this experience was derived...has their been scientific experiments to prove the validity of the activating genes?

I wish you the best of good luck with your travel plans! I look forward to hearing your response...

Kundalini.

Truthbearer
18-11-2006, 12:25 AM
Kundalhini - nothing is stopping anyone from raising their consciousmind into Unity., except the desire to do so, or the perseverence to do so.

This is a spiritual activity.
And ones spirituality is an inherited biologicol lineage. How spiritual concepts interest you, do not interest others.

There is no truth we cannot get to - these (previously unknown) truths are very necessary to ascend. This is the journey of each spiritual/ascension initiate. TO ACQUIRE ALL TRUTHS.

So one starts their communion practise by asking questions - the further one ascends, the more truths revealed, the more ones ascends.
(truths of our pastlives, our past history, our origins, pre-Earth, who came, who went, who stayed, why did they stay, what did they do? - are they us? are we them? does this affect our ascension? is ascension for everyone?
And in all this mix - we learn some cold hard facts. As Pounamu has outlined, some lineages that we now have are suspect
some lineages are awesome
some lineages are alright.

Facts are facts - and one comes to these 'facts' by ones own experience. And then calls them truths.
Ascension is experiential - mastery is experiential.
And why we dont require science now to validate ascension - as many are experiencing ascension. Clearing the karmas, to see the pastlives, to heal the karma, and retreive lost/hidden truths.

The pendulum doesnt protect per se. The pendulum gives one a yes, or a no answer - it is answers, knowledge, truths that protect.

Namaste and Blessings
oKa

Truthbearer
18-11-2006, 12:34 AM
Yes Pounamu you are correct - firstly the authentic Melchizedeks are now called the Melchizedek Cloistors, as the Drakonian Seraphim appropriated this order for itself on Earth - and one still has karma to resolve with the Melchizedeks.

you are also correct about the merkabah - all pointed pyramidal constructs are being removed - and unity/rotational/consciousness and the energy constructs they create are not merkabahs. Hopefully in the future the directors of this school will address such.

blessings
oKa

kundalini
18-11-2006, 01:41 AM
Hi Truthbearer,

I am very sorry but I do not understand your approach. At no point did I mention about people not being able to raise their conscious mind to that of unity consciousness.

Now spirituality is not an inherited biological lineage. Biological is of the body. Spirit is not biological, therefore how can one's spirituality be derived from their lineage since many people inhabit different bodies in different reincarnations?

Also I did not suggest we required science to measure ascension. I asked Pounamu to explain fully how he knows the people he is listening to are FOR REAL. How does he know their genes are activated like they say they are? I said a scientific experiment would validate or disprove their claims of who they claim to be.

Please ensure next time you post truthbearer that you fully read my posts so as not to misinterpret my words. Thanks for reading, Kundalini.

AL
18-11-2006, 10:31 AM
There is a term which I have come across which says- while the 2 cats fought, the monkey ran off with the butter. I wonder if it involves these (potential) beings?

AL
18-11-2006, 10:34 AM
The next question is something of an unusual question but I have my reasons - what do these two races ( the Sirians and the Pleidians ) look like physically? Can you describe their anatomy somewhat?
Kundalini.

A few months ago, I had a vision of sorts. It can only be described as the face of a male ninja turtle. The eyes were not bug like, more like the eye on the u.s dollar.
If you crossed a human with a tutle or frog, a human amphibian/ reptile then.....
I was awake and it was real, not cartoon like.
Name that toon.

Pounamu
18-11-2006, 12:43 PM
(1) The so-called "Dark Forces" are non-physical beings comprising souls who are only fragments of their former selves, and they have lost so much information or spiritual knowledge in their fragmentation that they don't know that their Creator (the Creator of our universe) loves them and has provided an abundance to cover all their requirements in living and evolving. Thus, they are on a desperate survival trip in which they are petrified of death and believe it is the end of their existance; and they are very determined not to let that happen. They have to get their life-force (chi) and their substance from somewhere; and as these are constantly being used up, they can think only of parasitising another life-form to get this - they haven't the knowledge to do any better! Unfortunately examples of this type of consciouness are found right up the dimensions of this creation, apparently, so there are many powerful beings who are demanding this sustenance. Those on the lower steps of the "pyramid" of beings have to pull apart living organisms and planetary systems and send the substance and chi up the dimensions to the high-ups, and get favours of more power and a higher place in the pyramid in return.

This reply will still leave questions; but at least you will be able to see the principle behind it and how it is that there are those beings who oppose evolution, because our evolution would raise our vibratory state out of range of their manipulations and they would then have no ability to parasitise us - for them (they believe), oblivion!

(2) How is it that a tool as simple as the pendulum can fool these dark forces? Are you certain that the clairvoyants among your numbers are sincerely having true visions, rather than fantasising ( not purposely ) about the origins of life?

Fantasy realities woven around one do indeed have to be avoided - tested for and dismantled if possible. That's one of the traps the dark are adept at setting for us (it would be so much easier to ascend if there were not this active opposition! However its part of our service as Lightworkers to change this situation).

The higher one goes in ascension level, the easier it is to discern if fantasy realities are present in one's testing. For one thing, as the subtle bodies (Emotional, Mental, Intuitive and Creative Bodies according to this School) are pieced together from their usually fragmented state, and one daily practices the grounding and aligning and pulling Soul into one's field, the more resistant one's energy field becomes to manipulations by the dark, as the boundaries hold much more strongly. And karma (which gives the dark a "handle" on one), is being released and healed.

The pendulum is actually serving as a physical tool that magnifies the often very slight muscle movements that are guided by one's Body Angel or Body Spirit; this being is in constant direct contact with one's Soul or "I AM Presence", and thus provides a link to Soul - which otherwise is tenuous indeed in most people. If enough initiates get similar stories about their past in a particular time-frame and location, one can say (and one has to assume for the practicalities) that the combined picture is fairly correct and useful; however, they are always open to refinement as new information comes to hand - just like in science.

(3) Why are two supposedly highly-spiritual races having an intergalactic war? I would have thought it would be relatively easy and easily-intended for the two races to settle their differences...is this war still going on today and why did it begin in the first place?

Part of the reason for these humans being at war - put succinctly - is: they have unreleased karma, and the dark forces are taking advantage of this fact to induce them to fight and assist in the breaking up of their living environment. This makes it much easier for the dark beings to extract the chi and substance, parts and pieces of living beings and pass them up to their masters. And humans who are (shall we say), "bent", are among the most destructive beings in existance; once this destructive pattern is established, as you can imagine, it is very hard to break out of it.

The Intergalactic Federation was formed to try to put a stop to these wars and keep the peace; it is still in existance and evidently still needed. As upon Earth (which mirrors the situation elsewhere) there are always the renegades who decide they want to do it "their way" and so a war can start - these humans may be "spiritual" according to our standards, and have much knowledge and power about creating their reality; but still have not released sufficient karma to have become totally harmless and in Unity Consciousness. You can intend all you like; but if there is still unreleased karma in your field and you do not work to release it, the fights will still eventuate from time to time. That is why the ideal of a harmless and collaborative community is so hard to manifest and keep alive for very long - it is a non-trivial project!

(4) Also, how are these races getting around the galaxy...is their technology so advanced that they can travel faster than the speed of light? Why have they not shown themselves to humanity if this is the case?

Their technology travels at the speed of thought! The speed of light is no barrier to them as it is to us - but I do not have sufficient understanding of this technology to be able to discuss it, as it is secret - understandably so. In fact these beings have shown themselves to humans on many occasions, to try to wake us up; but the military of the world's nations have tried (fairly successfully) to put a secrecy blanket over all these events. Have you not read of the various accounts from ex-military or governmental scientists who have defected in order to enlighten the public upon what's going on - and often been murdered for their temerity?

(5) What do these two races ( the Sirians and the Pleiadians ) look like physically? Can you describe their anatomy somewhat?

As far as I understand it, these two human types could pass in looks for an Earth human in many cases. The 7 Sirian races or strains that survived have become the North American Indians, the South American Indians, the Tibetans, the Inuit/Mongol type, the Polynesians, the Australian Aborigines and the Africans. Of course by now they have interbred and we White people have Pleiadean Anu slave inheritance as well. The Anu had a copper-based oxygen carrier in their blood instead of the iron-based haemoglobin of the Sirians; this as well as their being used to a greenish sun caused their skin to have a bluish tinge (recorded as the blue colour of the Hindu gods - a memory of that ancient past). Most Earth people have several racial types in their birth lineages. For myself, I have 6 Anu-Slave lineages and the rest of the 24 are Sirian types. Those who have all or most of their lineages from the Anu Slaves are the ones who cannot ascend very far - for three reasons: Firstly, they were cloned in a laboratory to have only about 5000 strand DNA (or in the case of the fighter slaves, only 1024 strands). Their ancestry thus only goes as far as their laboratory creation; they were separated from their parent ancestry in the cloning process. And secondly, the ascension instructions part of their genetics was left out, to make them never throw off their servility. Thirdly, ascending these types upon Earth, who come from the Pleiades, has the effect of creating more powerful harmful humans, because their being in the wrong creation for their type of constitution has the effect of reversing their polarity in this way. Thus, those beings now overseeing Earth Human ascension cannot allow such ascension, because it would create more warring and Earth's ascension would fail.

And then they all eventually interbred with the rest of humanity... what a genetic mess!!!

The hybrids like the so-called "Grays" and hybrid human-Reptilian human types do look somewhat different, and also act from different motivaton as well. All this can be looked up on the internet - there's heaps of info about it.

(6) Why is it that you are so certain that only the people with those genes can advance so much spiritually where as other people can't. This is unusual for me for I am rarely the sceptic but where is your proof of this? Have you tested the more spiritually advanced people at the School for activated genes? Indeed, does such a process exist where you can actually do this?

I am reminded of an occasion at a School event when some visitors to the event went to the Director and stated that "they were at 12,000 strands of DNA level, and wanted to know why (something or other - can't remember what). The Director said to them, "well, have you got Buddha Bellies like me and the other Director?" They giggled and said no. The Director replied, "Well if you were at 12,000 strands, you would have to have this to exist, at this time in history". In other words, there was a physical characteristic that is readily discernable by anyone if you are advanced in ascension. The visitors turned out to be at 1800 strands - much to their dismay! They were in a fantasy reality about their ascent.

(The Buddha Belly is a protrusion of the abdomen which is caused by growth of new organs for extracting more oxygen and generating the greater amounts of sugars for energy that an ascending body needs).

There are other ways of telling in the physical whether someone is ascending properly, or is at a particular level or not. For example, if somebody that appears to have ascended to say 3000 strands of DNA activated (or cleared of karma) does something that is out of character with people at that level - such as suddenly being very dogmatic, which should be left behind at 1024 strands, then you know that something is not as it appears, and can examine the person more closely with various psychic tests and see what is happening in their field. The Directors of the School used to do that frequently, to keep things supervised and harmonious.

Why would a person "appear" to have ascended when they had not? Well, its one of the traps of the dark - to cloak a person's unreleased karma from those in charge so they can gain entrance and acceptance in the ascension movement, and then be triggered to do some damage at a later time when the dark feels they can disrupt things to the maximum extent. I tell you, ascension is not for the faint hearted! The ascending ones are perceived as a big threat by the dark; and they will do anything they can to stop it. We will do anything we can to keep going! And so it goes. But the Light is greater than the absence of light, and will - IS - winning.

The Director can pick exactly where in one's genome a problem lies - she will say (for example) that "between segments 450 and 620 there are records of your Inner Child missing - intend to retrieve them and reweave them in". Mind you, she's doing this psychically; she is a very highly ascended initiate; and if you follow her advice, you most likely find that the problem she was addressing comes right. If not, she and you look at it again and try to discover what the hold-up is.
Occasionally I have tested if what the Director says is true for me - so far she has seldom proved wrong; but as I say, she is human like everybody else, and can make mistakes or be misled by the dark... she's pretty good at discerning that, though; and corrects it as soon as she's sussed it out.

Understand that the genes that are "activated" are cleared of karma and then can do their spiritual work of receiving the energies and the templates for what they should be doing within our being. I doubt if a conventional scientist could discern the difference between activated and inactive genes by any instrument other than a psychic sense.

The lights are flickering - perhaps telling me this is getting too long! As time allows me, I will answer any further questions you have. Hope this has helped!
Thanks for your good wishes! :smile:

Pounamu.

kundalini
19-11-2006, 02:57 PM
First, hi AL, it is true that human beings can see strange creatures sometimes although I think it is an healthy attitude not to jump to any conclusions. Just keep an open mind.

Pounamu, you have presented me with yet another essay!

Right then, these Dark Forces you speak of...you say that they are non-physical so therefore how can they be petrified of death if they are already dead? Also, how can any of those particular beings be such powerful creatures if they are so scared and weak that all they can do is to parasite off other lifeforms? In what manner do they manipulate human beings? Could this just be another way for a human to deny responsibility for themselves by blaming it on the Dark Forces?

I congratulate you Pounamu and your brethren for at the moment I do think that by strengthening the aura etc...that it is most definetely a worthwhile pursuit. I agree fully with that practice. I also agree that one's karma can be released and healed.

I understand the principle of how the pendulum works but again I am still not sure how this truly protects against manipulation from any Dark Forces. The other question mark I have over this is that a pendulum is a material feature, so why exactly would it be NECESSARY for use in spiritual work? Do our minds and spirits not provide all the tools for that kind of pursuit? Why use a material substance such as a pendulum?

Pounamu, 'unreleased karma' is an excellent explaination for a war between those two races...however, I still do not grasp the fact that these races are spiritually advanced and cannot themselves grasp a fact as you have,that it is nothing but unreleased karma causing a continuation of the war between their peoples. Why is it you can understand that principle whereas these races cannot? I do however understand what you mean about people creating realities and not having released enough karma...another way of stating this would be that these renegades have spiritual knowledge but little moral substance.

The speed of thought...not a new notion to me and perhaps very possible. There is little I can say on that one at the moment. I have read many accounts of cover-ups and conspiracies...but I have no definite thoughts on any of that at the moment.

Thank you for taking the time to describe the anatomy of these aliens. However, I cannot say I have ever heard of a 'green' coloured star...

Okay, now about the Buddha belly-type manifestation. Are you sure that these directors who possess this physical characteristic are not just fat? I don't want to appear rude but what makes those two characteristics indistinguishable?

Also, these sugars that you make reference to...Why does somebody high on the ascension path need sugar? Why get their energy from sugar and not complex carbohydrates especially as normal sugar ( especially refined ) causes all kinds of physical problems?

I understand the principle of watching a person's behaviour to guage how spiritually advancd they are...

Do you know this Director personally? What do you really think of her? Do you find her to be a spiritually advanced person?

Lastly, have you yourself had any personal experiences of your beliefs and will you share any of them here? Thank you for reading and for answering my questions Pounamu. I immensely enjoy our conversations.

Kundalini.

Truthbearer
19-11-2006, 10:41 PM
Kundalhini - just about every question of spirituality, of ascension, can be acquired by the use of a pendulum.
Especially the authenticity of anothers works - anothers ascension - ones own ascension. Where you are exactly at, in your ascension.

And this is why we require a pendulum at this stage, as there are so many questions to be answered - ascension is new truths. Previously unknown truths.
We have to circumvent the ego/mental mind - which knows nothing (or only what it has been fed, read, conditioned).. The ascending initiate requires ' body truth', truths from the Creative Subtle Body mind - which the ego will over-ride everytime.. this is why Intuition is even suspect.



Namaste and Blessings.
oKa

kundalini
19-11-2006, 10:46 PM
In my opinion, all anybody on the spiritual path requires is the ability to ignore what the ego says and attempt to access the knowledge within, via spirit.

Kundalini.

Truthbearer
20-11-2006, 12:04 AM
Yes K, and muscle-testing and penduluming authenticate what one has heard, or intuits as ones authentic spiritual mind answer.

x oKa

daisy
20-11-2006, 12:14 AM
In my opinion, all anybody on the spiritual path requires is the ability to ignore what the ego says and attempt to access the knowledge within, via spirit.

Kundalini.

i'd agree with you here k, the spiritual path isn't as complex as it would some times appear, it all boils down to following your own truth at the end of the day IMO

kundalini
20-11-2006, 12:55 AM
Truthbearer, doesn't that remove the need to trust what you have heard or seen or felt psychically or spiritually. Sorry but I do not believe a pendulum answers all the questions of the universe.

K.

Pounamu
20-11-2006, 11:03 AM
Dear Kundalini,
I, too, enjoy our conversations - at least someone is showing enough enthusiastic interest in the subject to explore it thoroughly! And the best way to do it is by asking questions - of others who have experience, and of one's own inner being...

(1) Right then, these Dark Forces you speak of...you say that they are non-physical so therefore how can they be petrified of death if they are already dead?
Well of course the answer to that one is that these forces are not "already dead", as they are simply other-dimensional beings, as alive as you or I are (and still will be after the death of our physical bodies).

(2) Also, how can any of those particular beings be such powerful creatures if they are so scared and weak that all they can do is to parasite off other lifeforms?
One may be powerful and have detailed and well-grasped knowledge of how to wield forces at anyone's disposal (having that knowledge), yet be of a self-serving nature and therefore harmful to anyone to whom one chooses to be - who perhaps has something that one wants and won't voluntarily give up... You know how powerfully motivating survival instincts are! But they do not have the knowledge of how they are related to the All-That-Is...

(3) In what manner do they manipulate human beings? Could this just be another way for a human to deny responsibility for themselves by blaming it on the Dark Forces?
The numbers of different ways in which the dark manipulate run into thousands. It has taken years - more than a decade for the Directors of SSOA to trace and document these in order to carve (i.e. pioneer) a pathway for the average human aspirant to follow - as it takes the greatest determination, alertness and spiritual good sense (and sensitivity to guidance), and willingness to sacrifice ANYTHING that would get in the way of the goal of ascension. Otherwise one is just tripped up by some trap or other, and ascension ceases or goes off into a diversion.

I have already mentioned one or two manipulations... for instance, if the initiate is not alert, the ego can be manipulated into making more karma instead of one releasing it; thus bogging one down in karma. Information or parts of the spiritual anatomy can be removed from an initiate's field, so that they cannot proceed until they realise this and retrieve it, releasing the karma that allowed it. Future karma that the initiate currently has not the knowledge or state of evolution to release can be triggered by the dark; then the ascension can cease while the initiate is in the turmoil caused by karma that is a mystery to them. (That happened to me, and resulted in my leaving the School). Work already done in releasing karma can be undone by the dark inserting agreements to have this karma back in their field, then re-inserting the karma. And so on and so on, and so on, ad nauseam!

How, in the name of all that is holy, can this take place??? It is absolutely horrific! :icon_eek: :icon_eek:

Well, its a long story... and to cut it short: there have been some high souls who decided to "buck the rules" of our Creator's creation, and this resulted eventually in a reversal of True Spiritual Law into Lawlessness in this part of the cosmos. There's a lot more fine detail than this - some of it is on the ascendpress.org site, although there are other details that one only has access to if one joins the School. Anyway, the Creator of this sector of the universe became aware of something problematic going on in his creation, and set about finding out what and rectifying it. True Spiritual Law has now been re-anchored upon Earth; and over the next few decades will cause this lawlessness to be no more; but already there are guardians in place to see that karma goes back - more swiftly than ever before - to those whose effect it is; and to see that karmic manipulations that are outside True Spiritual Law are disallowed. SSOA students learn how to invoke and apply this in their own lives; but they still are the ones who have to do this! But you realise that the general populace still host the karma that allows for manipulations; and until this is cleared up, it takes a long time for such a law reversal to be overcome and purged fully from the planet and its living beings. Its a slow and cumbersome process, which cannot happen "overnight". Ascenders are the "fore-runners" in this.

It could conceivably look as though the dark manipulations are an attempt to place the blame for one's circumstances. That students are sincerely applying themselves to forgive and release the karma is something that only a true appraisal of their inner motivations could reveal. They understand as well as anyone, that the process of karmic release cannot be fudged!

(4) I still do not grasp the fact that these races are spiritually advanced and cannot themselves grasp a fact as you have,that it is nothing but unreleased karma causing a continuation of the war between their peoples. Why is it you can understand that principle whereas these races cannot?
For all I know, these races - or the spiritually awake ones among them - might grasp the facts; but have the general populace actually applied themselves to the release work? Or does ego make them so mad with the "enemy" that they find themselves unable to tear themselves away from giving their brother "enemies" a piece of their mind? They have to be persuaded to get quiet and say to themselves, "Why is this situation happening? What is it in me that is creating this embroilment? How can I change some part of myself, such that I am not harmful to anyone?" Again, people can be powerful without necessarily being spiritually (or "service-to-others") oriented. They not only need the knowledge, but also the will to change the situation, and the persistance to put their will into full effect.

(5) Okay, now about the Buddha belly-type manifestation. Are you sure that these directors who possess this physical characteristic are not just fat? I don't want to appear rude but what makes those two characteristics indistinguishable?
Fat of the usual kind does not come and go at the "drop of a hat", so to speak. When these two Directors are hosting an event of theirs (which may be teaching or may be hosting a World Service conference), their Buddha Bellies inflate, as they need extra energy to hold the boundaries of the event; and if they become shattered or damaged, or else lose a lot of information to the dark, they can become quite flat as the buddha belly deflates. This carries on into your next question, which was:

Also, these sugars that you make reference to...Why does somebody high on the ascension path need sugar?
An ascending initiate becomes more and more powerful as they ascend. The basis of this power is the chi (life-force) they can generate; and it is based, while they are in embodiment, in the physical. Therefore, the physical metabolism must speed up to host the power; and the amount of energy required for this eventually far exceeds what one could derive from eating and digesting physical food. So the diaphragm develops blood pockets in which oxygen is used in making additional sugars of various types, to satisfy this need.

(6) Do you know this Director personally? What do you really think of her? Do you find her to be a spiritually advanced person?
Since I trained under her, I can claim to know her personally and to have seen her in various circumstances! I really think she is a wonderful person, whom it was a great privilege to know. She is tremendously powerful in her gaze, yet friendly and very compassionate. I have experienced eight or nine events (Intensives, and Conclaves - a type of World Service gathering to release collective human karma and to have healing and fellowship which such conferences engender), so have enough experience to have concluded that she is "the genuine article" if I could put it that way without being rude. I have no doubt that she is very highly evolved; and yet she always would have a few students to lunch each day during an Intensive or other event, and acted like a human in every way except her ways of thinking, which were strictly in accordance with True Spiritual Law (though she was not mentioning it all the time - just unobtrusively). She does NOT want to be considered a "guru", but simply a self-realised human being who has discovered her true vocation and joy as an ascension pioneer and teacher.

(7) Lastly, have you yourself had any personal experiences of your beliefs and will you share any of them here?
Ummm.... I will have to think about that... the time has gone for it tonight, at anyrate. I am a one-finger typist - it has taken me an hour and a half to type this, although its good, because I have time to think about what I'm saying, and to remember all that I want to say.

At this stage I'll bid you adieu, and I'll do my best to answer that and other questions you may have, in due course...

Blessings...
Pounamu.

chadley
20-11-2006, 06:15 PM
In my opinion.......


Galactic wars, lineage, the human body, the alien body...etc. What do all of these things have in common? They are external.

You are not an alien nor are you human. You are by choice experiencing the consciousness of a human or an alien. Soul itself at its highest expression is not divided. The division occurs in the layers below it that separate each reality.

Galactic wars are irrelevant to those that do not have a war within, as the war itself is only a reflection and/or projection. Do you think this war to be yours just by its mere existance? It is only your war if you make it so as the result of your own inner conflict.

Understanding the lessons learned by lineage is the point. The specific variable that make up this lineage, such as whether or not you had 3 green thumbs or whether you are from the planet Nabu, is absolutely irrelevant.

The ebb and flow that are the very waveform characteristics of energy in all of life make up the beauty in all the universal patterns of life. It is not relevant when and where they go or have gone in the past or future. Only that you are capable in the present to flow the watercourse way now, that you already possess the ability to receive these patterns without resistance. Force only applies its against that which resists it, without resistance you become part of that force.

The point is this, Galactic councils, alien lineage, etheric blueprints..., are only guides towards true ascension. AND NO MORE SO, than experience in the astral, automatic writing, channeling, astrology, numerology and so on and so on, even *mind* itself. It is a great mistake to hold specific tools above the other because it is source/god/soul/the divine which is the true power behind all of these tools and the driving force behind how they are used.

Concerning yourself with all of these things as necessities is to look towards the external reflection in the outer manifestation and/or creation when the real path lies toward the kindom of heaven that exists within.

Thus, aliens, the year 2012, and so on hold no more relevance than the consiquences, affects, and patterns presented in front of you right here on earth, right in your back yard, right in your body. And as such, all of those things are NOT requirements towards true ascention/enlightenment/spiritual progress.

Which has greater power, the creator or what it has created? That which exists in the external manifestation only holds within it the power that you, the co-creator has given it.

Chadley.

tiltjlp
20-11-2006, 07:19 PM
Chadley, I assume you forgot to mention that the comments in your post are merely your opinions, and that you didn't purposely intend to Preach, which isn't permitted here, right? It'd be appreciated if you'd edit your post to reflect that.

SF Staff Spokesperson

chadley
20-11-2006, 07:32 PM
Ok, check it now. Let me know if that is sufficient. All I ask is that you let me know specifically which parts need adjustment before moderators go deleting out portions of the post. Thanks!

daisy
20-11-2006, 07:36 PM
it looks fine to me chadley, thank you

tiltjlp
20-11-2006, 07:50 PM
That's all that was needed Chadley. Anyone can say just about anything as long as they label it as opinion. Most members understand that we're all simply voicing our opinions and ideas here, but new members might not realize that. Thanks for your cooperation.

John

BLAIR2BE
21-11-2006, 02:03 AM
HEY ALL!!!
Ive read this thread quietly for a while now. I guess ill try to offer my two cents….
:director:
IN MY EVER SO HUMBLED OPINION…

:glasses7: One of the opening questions: “are you taking responsibility for your own ascension?”; ok, so further into this thread we have all these other elements involved in our ascension, such as lineage, DNA (“lost” or otherwise), pendulums, aliens, etc. Well it seems that if all these variables are as important as they are being heralded then we need take very little responsibility, as we surely do not control all of these variables. Furthermore if I cannot verify my own knowledge or new information (without a “tool” made by fellow fallible man) then I am not quite as responsible, as I can look towards my implement of decision making to verify or refute for me. DNA is biological. I can perfectly understand the connections being made between DNA and the soul, it seems to me though that an enlightened one would first master reality and then, possibly, DNA would change to align correctly with the soul. After all the body is a decaying, short lived VESSEL; nothing more than a vessel for soul to experience this material life. Nothing more. The “magic” of all this is within; the spirit, not its meatbag (as someone so eloquently stated a few months back). It is quite possible that an “enhanced” version of DNA could enhance the brain; the ability to receive and process data though.

Buddha belly: quick note on this, I am developing a nice round Buddha belly that actually “deflates” to become flat!! No lie, if I do not eat or drink anything for a few short hours my belly becomes quite flat. Now I have had x-rays and I have no extra organs at all. Im sorry but this line of thinking is VERY provably natural, not at all fantastic in any way.

You are right Daisy. It isn’t as complicated as many try to teach. Easy? No, not easy. Difficult? Yes, many times. Complicated? Not really. Sometimes schools of thought take one principal, word it 20 different ways and call it 20 different principals to learn. In my little opinion, the mind sometimes constructs all sorts of details, details, details. Sometimes these details are all TOTALLY UNNECESARY DISTRACTIONS from what really IS. In my opinion, this statement is not an opinion. It is quite true and very common. These “details” are the work of “dark forces”, to bog one down so deep that all one can see is “the mud” of it all. It seems that the closer one gets to truths and awareness, the more distractions, falsities and misinformation are thrown out. In my opinion this statement is also not an opinion, but quite true and quite common.

Again im with kundalini on this one point: “truthbearer, doesn’t that remove the need to trust what you have…pendulum answers all the questions….”. So may I ask, is faith important? I think so. The pendulum doesn’t seem to inspire faith.

Chadley was, as usually for Chadley, correct and simply to the point. I won’t restate what was said (er typed).

Now I know that much of the time folks perceive me as rantish, rude, a hole, smart ***, well its almost never intentional. In this case it is not intentional. I have followed this thread from its beginning, with great interest; as at one time in my life I read much on many of these ideas It seems that we are almost to what I have been waiting for; what may validate, to me, the particular school of thought that has been discussed….EXPERIENCE. Honestly, much of the explanations ive read here seem VERY MUCH like a fantastic and funner version of every religion I have ever heard of, full of fables, stories of moral, values, dogmas, a bit of rigidity. But experience is the gravy!! I eagerly await experiences to be shared, as these cannot be taken as lightly as teachings.

Now my questions…
Can ya’ll explain how and why the pendulum works in these ways??
And how/why is it that so much of our destiny, ability, and potential presumably been altered/tempered/denied us by all these other outer variables? Do we not have enough potential/personal power to “take ourselves” where ever/as far as we desire??

(perhaps an opinion disclaimer could be auto stamped onto every post, this would make things so much easier;):glasses6:

p.s. guys and gals, this has been a fantastic duscussion!! cheers for all!!

tiltjlp
21-11-2006, 10:00 AM
Yo BLAIR2BE,

I think you have the wrong idea about the anti-preaching rule that is finally being enforced. First off, you don't need to add IN MY EVER SO HUMBLED OPINION… to your posts. All you need to do is the include an "I think" or "I feel" within one of your sentences. The idea isn't to inconvenience anyone, but to make us all more aware that our particular version of the Ultimate Universal Truth isn't the ONLY VALID POINT OF VIEW. Possibly if we can keep this in mind while we post and read messages here, maybe we will be more tolerant and understanding.

The shame is that this is only a problem for a very small part of the membership, but it continues to cause issues of personal attacks, insults, and hurt feelings. And not all of it shows up on the open forum. So, as often happens, because a handful of people seem to think they are Special and Important we have been forced to enforce a rule that's been on the books all along. I'm not surprised some of you don't like it. But think how the SF Staff feels being made to play Bad Cop. It just makes their job harder.

And no BLAIR2BE, this isn't directed only at you, but by replying here maybe this will reduce the number of complaints we will receive.

SF Staff Spokesperson

Pounamu
21-11-2006, 10:27 AM
Hi Blair,
You ask:
"Can ya’ll explain how and why the pendulum works in these ways??"

The pendulum, in my humble opinion, is simply a physical tool for magnifying (by resonance) the tiny muscle movements of the arm or fingers that your Body Angel generates in answer to your question that you put to it. So it is not your pendulum answering - any more than a radio is making the music that plays through it. Your Soul is answering; but in order to get its answer down into the physical dimension when your spiritual hearing is not working well, it passes the message on to the Body Angel (who is always in good contact with your soul), and the Body Angel then pulses a muscle a fraction, which the pendulum renders visible by resonant swinging and building up a visible movement.
Also, the body consciousness knows what is true, whether you do or not, consciously. So the pendulum gives a check on what you may perceive / receive by other means. It is NOT taking away your responsibility for what you do, as you have to decide whatever it is you want to actually do. The pendulum is simply one aid to discovering or checking your truth by another method than, for example, listening to your heart-feeling, or the dictates of "common sense".

I agree that experience is the most useful guide; and that you could get on without all this "technique know-how" by just being in the present and aware of what is going on around you... and if you think that other peoples' experiences take away from your sovereignty, and want to be simple and independant, then "bully for you"! Go to it, I say! What you simply intend for yourself will come to pass someday.

Pounamu

P.S. I'm dog-tired - been packing and sorting and having visitors all day - must go to bed... bed, bed, glorious bed! Nothing quite like it for resting the head!

BLAIR2BE
22-11-2006, 10:33 PM
Hey tiltjlp,
Well I believe I may have come across stronger than I should have. Sorry for that (authority many times sets off internal alarms within me; has nothing to do with the moderators here at spiritual forums- moderating is a job I would not do myself; many blessings to you guys;). I would simply hate to see the forum get to a point where politics, political correctness and phony sincerity reigns; I suppose that is where the sarcasm originated.

Pounamu,
Ahhh, Now the pendulum concept makes sense to me (similar to automatic writing or even hypnosis in premise). My personal belief system does not accept this principle any longer (at one time this sort of idea would have fit), but it does make some sense to me, or I can understand how the pendulum may represent the “information”. It seems an exercise of futility though, as this: if the pendulum is a representative (or a check on perception, as you put it) of information that one has experienced, that one has learned or become aware of, and now knows, then the pendulum exercise becomes redundant. Also, how could one know that the origin of the information passed from brain to arm is not of a “pure” origin/nature? Perhaps from a realm of fantasy, or some forgotten disproved mantra far back in the old “database”? Is this not possible? It is a great big wide universe out there, and when it comes to this particular type of exercise, the “answers” could come from “anywhere”, no?

By the way, I was in no way knocking the schools, teachers, organizations out there. I wanted to emphasize that some of the questions presented to you related (as I understood them) to your own experience as apposed to here-say/third part experience.

tiltjlp
23-11-2006, 12:06 AM
Hey tiltjlp,
Well I believe I may have come across stronger than I should have. Sorry for that (authority many times sets off internal alarms within me; has nothing to do with the moderators here at spiritual forums- moderating is a job I would not do myself; many blessings to you guys;). I would simply hate to see the forum get to a point where politics, political correctness and phony sincerity reigns; I suppose that is where the sarcasm originated.



I couldn't agree with you more. I hate authority, either having it used against me or having to use it against others. But I also feel that each of us has to decide what to believe and what to discard. And since someone new to spirituality might not realize that "opinions" are being offered here, we need to make them aware of this. Sad to say, but there are a lot of people who will believe anything they're told, and a forum like this has to protect them against themselves. I try to be as low-key as possible, but sometimes a direct approach is required. And to think that in the year 2345, and probably a lot sooner, none of this will amount to a hill of beans.

John

pokeyjo11
08-12-2006, 03:55 AM
:happy1: I just read this thread; I Love SF!!
I kept having visions of a baseball game:bottom of the ninth, maybe one on third, and another trying to steal second,the pinch hitter is up and yet a finely timed double play and the game or season is done...; next to a soccer field jazzed with passion of play for that winning goal, its last quarter, will the game remain tied and go into overtime or...

The baseball is hit foul and lands in the soccer game, and the conversation insues...

I feel it is wonderful when the players become aware that, although the rules the set for themselves, by their choice of game they choose to play are very different, objectives may appear different, they are All playing ball!:smile:

In the background, the sounds of a friday night football game. I see clearer the players, the band, the chearleader and the spectators....whatever role they choose...
All have come to play their part in this friday night experience, All a part of the game, ball game.

Thanks for letting me share my smile :love4:


:wav:

dreamer
08-12-2006, 11:00 AM
That's all that was needed Chadley. Anyone can say just about anything as long as they label it as opinion. Most members understand that we're all simply voicing our opinions and ideas here, but new members might not realize that. Thanks for your cooperation.

John


So as long as I add IMO at the end of a post i can say just about anything??? Thats one mad rule dude imo of course.