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Kenneth
24-04-2011, 01:04 PM
I appreciate all your views and comments to my thread "What it means to be a spiritual person? I agree with some of your views and wish to add further.

Before we go into the meaning of a spiritual person; In this context, what could we mention about atheists or those who do their duty alone and do not give much importance to spirituality or who do not have the correct knowledge about any religion, its teachings, rituals, meditation, etc. Or those who are completely sinful and in-human. Take Hitler or eg. or the person who dropped the dropped the atom bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki to kill thousands of people. Or the people who took the planes to bomb the twin-towers in US, killing thousands of people.

So many people like this. In our day to day life we would have come across many such Hitler like people, what about all of them. Are they spiritual?

GOD created us in the most varied ways possible. Every thought, act, belief and the results that we experience, is an experience of GOD. Here there is nothing like, this is a perfect bad and a perfect good, my religion is better than your religion, this lifestyle is better than that, etc.

Without the intention of GOD no book would have been written. We say that certain religious books are myth and did not happen. We try and do research and prove or disprove its authenticity. I say that, even if they are not real and only myth, be it. We need to look only for the wisdom and relevance to our day to day life. Without GOD’s intention these words of wisdom would have not been written and become so popular.

One of my favourite thinkers is Osho. In his Book “Krishna the Man and His philosophy” he gives a wonderful explanation of the GOD as Krishna. To him Lord Krishna is ultimate and symbolises GOD. He considers Lord Rama to be incomplete and stuck to one particular principle. Whereas Lord Krishna is complete and more realistic and true nature of GOD and accepts life and everything as it is.

Osho again criticises Mahatma Gandhi because he shuns war unlike Krishna when it is needed. Osho says that Mahatama Gandhi could practice Non-Violence to the liberal British, but what if he was doing it against Hitler who equals Duryodhana in the Mahabharata.

Very good thinking by Osho. But I have a point to mention. If that was the case then why should Lord Krishna give a person like Mahatma Gandhi to this world and make him and his principle of non-violence popular? Why should there be Hitler and other violent people in this world? Why should there be plenty of food, Prosperity on one-side and starvation and poverty on the other?

All opposites are created by GOD to maintain balance and harmony in the world. For us death is the end but according to GOD there is no death for us. Everything is only an experience. Experience of all the extremes possible both good and bad.

Why GOD does this is I believe is for experience? Everything has to be experienced to know and be understood clearly. There has to be an experience of jealously, hatred, love, forgiveness, killing, death, birth, etc. at all the extremes possible. The whiteness of the board is clearly known only when a black mark is scribbled on it. That is why, when certain in-human events happen in the world, it makes many believe that GOD does not exist. At the end, the good values will be understood clearly and surface stronger as mankind would have experienced or know its opposites clearly.

Whether Spirituality has a Vision i.e. to say a perfect lifestyle / order at the personal level for you and me and Nature around us some day in the future is not known. But one thing is clear. Its very goal is to ensure that order and righteousness is maintained in the world when things go really out of control.

I believe that all is from GOD and everything is his experience and hence everything and everybody has to be spiritual. Hence, I believe, that in the unending journey of our souls experiencing all that God has destined for us, we are all spiritual beings.

Eudaimonist
24-04-2011, 03:46 PM
Before we go into the meaning of a spiritual person; In this context, what could we mention about atheists or those who do their duty alone and do not give much importance to spirituality or who do not have the correct knowledge about any religion, its teachings, rituals, meditation, etc. Or those who are completely sinful and in-human. Take Hitler or eg. or the person who dropped the dropped the atom bomb in Hiroshima and Nagasaki to kill thousands of people. Or the people who took the planes to bomb the twin-towers in US, killing thousands of people.

Kenneth, I sincerely hope you aren't trying to smear atheists by lumping them in with people such as Hitler, the people who dropped the atomic bomb, or terrorists. I'm seriously offended here.

So many people like this.

Like war criminals and terrorists? There are very few people like this.

In our day to day life we would have come across many such Hitler like people

Where do you live? I've come across very few people like this.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Kenneth
24-04-2011, 04:52 PM
[QUOTE=Eudaimonist]Kenneth, I sincerely hope you aren't trying to smear atheists by lumping them in with people such as Hitler, the people who dropped the atomic bomb, or terrorists. I'm seriously offended here.

It is generally believed that a theist is a spiritual person. I wanted to convey that Atheists are also spiritual. All the other sinful people like Hitler are also spiritual as they also have been created by God. I wanted to highlight the different kinds of people other than the theists. That does not mean atheists are like Hitler.

Miss Hepburn
24-04-2011, 10:11 PM
'the people who dropped the atomic bomb" I think
that was just one, Harry S. Truman.

themaster
25-04-2011, 12:28 AM
I think "George Bush" junior is a spiritual person too.. yah, know it's interesting but whenever he would kind of say in his speeches "I believe, I'm doing the right thing" he did believe it.. it showed! :smile: