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AstralProjectee
21-03-2011, 01:15 AM
Hi all I am on a spiritual quest to enter the unmanifest. I have my own beliefs and thoughts on this. What I am wanting to see is if there is way to enter the unmanifest while still at least being in a non-meditative state. Eg while being in maybe a light meditative state but still focused and then just making a leap of faith in the unmanifest. In theory at least it might take maybe few months to tops a few years to do.

Any help would be great thanks.
Thanks.

Bluegreen
09-05-2011, 09:03 PM
If by the unmanifest you mean the Void, the Absolute, the Root from which emanated the universe we live in then I came across two cases. Unfortunately I am not allowed to post links yet. Google Alex Paterson.

The experience was terrifying to me as a child because the VOID had no actual form and as such was empty, yet paradoxically it was so big as to be infinite (even though I couldn't conceptualise infinite at the time), hence my perception that it was HUGE. But perhaps more disturbing to me as a child was that IT could not be defined in any terms of this reality, even to the extent that it had no actual presence even though I was intimately aware of it. (a paradox) Thus there was no sound, no sight, no taste, no smell, no feel and no emotion about it, yet somehow I was fully aware of it.

I had a sense it was pure AWARENESS devoid of EXPERIENCE and as such, just IS.

Because the VOID had no form or substance or presence and was everywhere yet nowhere, there was nowhere for me as a child to hide from it, which was why I was so terrified of it. I might add IT never did anything to harm me; it just was. I had a reoccurrence of this experience many years later as a young adult.

As I had a computer virus, I lost all data so that I cannot give you info on the other experience. Should I find it again I will post it.

AstralProjectee
09-05-2011, 11:43 PM
Thanks for that, good to see that I got a reply.

Miss Hepburn
09-05-2011, 11:53 PM
You might like "Conscious Union with God" by Joel S. Goldsmith.
Also"Practicing the Presence " by him.

I was "in" the Void, the Night before creation, the Night of Brahma - I have no desire to return - "I" was alone - absolutely in pure aloneness - the only 'thing' - just pure consciousness - I like it here better.

I saw the Thousand Pettled-Lotus Flower - it sure was
cool - but been there, done that.

This steady progress that "I" am making means alot more - finding
the Kingdom, the Magic Kingdom here.

Thats just "me".

:smile:

mac
10-05-2011, 08:56 AM
I always risk being told off for saying this but, quote, "the unmanifest" is no part of this Spiritualism forum.

Such topics belong in a different forum, perhaps 'Spiritual Development' under the "Spirituality & Beliefs (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fforumdisplay.php%2 53Ff%253D4)" umbrella....

Spiritualism (more accurately Modern Spiritualism) - under the 'Religions and Faiths' umbrella - is a specific philosophy and in the UK is a registered and legally recognised religion.

I hope this helps? :hug3:

athribiristan
10-05-2011, 12:07 PM
If by the unmanifest you mean the Void, the Absolute, the Root from which emanated the universe we live in then I came across two cases. Unfortunately I am not allowed to post links yet. Google Alex Paterson.



As I had a computer virus, I lost all data so that I cannot give you info on the other experience. Should I find it again I will post it.

I have only managed this once and I had to die in a dream to get there. Very profound experience, exactly as described in your quote. I don't think you really need to go there more than once, its really not something you forget and you really can't DO anything there.....

mac
10-05-2011, 02:33 PM
I always risk being told off for saying this but, quote, "the unmanifest" is no part of this Spiritualism forum.

Such topics belong in a different forum, perhaps 'Spiritual Development' under the "Spirituality & Beliefs (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fforumdisplay.php%25253Ff%25253D 4)" umbrella....

Spiritualism (more accurately Modern Spiritualism) - under the 'Religions and Faiths' umbrella - is a specific philosophy and in the UK is a registered and legally recognised religion.

I hope this helps? :hug3:

Bluegreen
10-05-2011, 05:28 PM
I always risk being told off for saying this but, quote, "the unmanifest" is no part of this Spiritualism forum.

Such topics belong in a different forum, perhaps 'Spiritual Development' under the "Spirituality & Beliefs (http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/redir.php?link=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiritualforums.co m%2Fvb%2Fredir.php%3Flink%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .spiritualforums.com%252Fvb%252Fredir.php%253Flink %253Dhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.spiritualforums. com%25252Fvb%25252Fforumdisplay.php%25253Ff%25253D 4)" umbrella....

Spiritualism (more accurately Modern Spiritualism) - under the 'Religions and Faiths' umbrella - is a specific philosophy and in the UK is a registered and legally recognised religion.

I hope this helps? :hug3:

Sometimes the dividing line between topics is vague, especially for 'newbies.'
Do we get fined? You posted the same comment twice which to me means it must really bother you in which case I apologize for commenting.
I wonder: are you a moderator? If so, you should be able to move the thread. If not, you could ask one to do it for you?

mac
10-05-2011, 07:20 PM
Sometimes the dividing line between topics is vague, especially for 'newbies.'
Do we get fined? You posted the same comment twice which to me means it must really bother you in which case I apologize for commenting.
I wonder: are you a moderator? If so, you should be able to move the thread. If not, you could ask one to do it for you?
Apology not needed but thank you for your consideration. :hug3:

Anyone new might end up posting in an inappropriate thread but experienced members know the differences.

Yes it does bother me when members do not "....respect other members and their beliefs, opinions, and views at all times." as the website rules ask.

Capacity
10-05-2011, 07:28 PM
Hi all I am on a spiritual quest to enter the unmanifest. I have my own beliefs and thoughts on this. What I am wanting to see is if there is way to enter the unmanifest while still at least being in a non-meditative state. Eg while being in maybe a light meditative state but still focused and then just making a leap of faith in the unmanifest. In theory at least it might take maybe few months to tops a few years to do.

Any help would be great thanks.
Thanks.

Yes i have journeyed there and it was awesome. Journeying is not meditation, it is a state between sleep and awake and in that state you remember things well.
The practice uses a drumming CD and it has a callback feature so any fear of not returning is eliminated.
I can share my journey notes with you if you would like.
Let me know................:smile:
James

mac
10-05-2011, 07:36 PM
See what I mean Bluegreen? :rolleyes:

Bluegreen
13-05-2011, 05:37 PM
Originally Posted by MacYes it does bother me when members do not "....respect other members and their beliefs, opinions, and views at all times." as the website rules ask.


I really do not understand how posting a thread in a wrong section--by mistake--can be construed as not having "respect for other members and their beliefs, opinions, and views at all times?" Nothing that was said here was disrespectful IMHO.

It makes me wonder if perhaps I should start tiptoeing about this site in case I inadvertently step on someone's toes?

mac
13-05-2011, 07:12 PM
I really do not understand how posting a thread in a wrong section--by mistake--can be construed as not having "respect for other members and their beliefs, opinions, and views at all times?" Nothing that was said here was disrespectful IMHO.

It makes me wonder if perhaps I should start tiptoeing about this site in case I inadvertently step on someone's toes?
Nothing wrong in making a mistake and ending up in a forum where the topic subject has no relevance - but it's disrespectful to those who hold sincere religious beliefs to continue with the topic once it's been pointed out.

Maybe I'm just old-fashioned and expect from others the same good manners I would show in a similar situation?

Bluegreen
13-05-2011, 10:25 PM
Nothing wrong in making a mistake and ending up in a forum where the topic subject has no relevance - but it's disrespectful to those who hold sincere religious beliefs to continue with the topic once it's been pointed out.

Maybe I'm just old-fashioned and expect from others the same good manners I would show in a similar situation?

I may be wrong but nothing in what was posted seemed an attack or showed a lack of respect for the religious beliefs of the people who post in the Spiritualism forum.

You could have accused us of disrespect had your comment been ignored.

Since the thread had already been started you could have requested the moderator to move it to the appropriate section. It was suggested as a solution.

I am confused. My apologies for further polluting this forum. :hug3:

AstralProjectee
14-05-2011, 05:56 AM
I'm sorry if I posted in the wrong forum. Move it if you wish.

Miss Hepburn, and WhiteShaman I must say I find it hard to believe that you'll made it to the unmanifest. I thought the unmanifest was a huge deal if one could make it to such a place. This is not Samadhi this is the ineffable place that is literally out of your body and all dimensions.

From what I understand you need some faith to make it there too. Unless you have a lot of chi that can propel you into the unmanifest.

Any thoughts.

mac
14-05-2011, 08:05 AM
I may be wrong but nothing in what was posted seemed an attack or showed a lack of respect for the religious beliefs of the people who post in the Spiritualism forum.

You could have accused us of disrespect had your comment been ignored.

Since the thread had already been started you could have requested the moderator to move it to the appropriate section. It was suggested as a solution.

I am confused. My apologies for further polluting this forum. :hug3:
What you've said may feel reasonable from the perspective of someone who is not a Spiritualist - this is not the first occasion that I've had a similar discussion. :wink:

Maybe one day you'll feel as deeply about a subject important to yourself.

I find the continuing discussion here of a topic which is nothing at all to do with the religion of Spiritualism deeply upsetting. I feel sure that adherents of other religions would feel as strongly about their own.

Additionally, such unrelated subjects may also mislead seekers wishing to learn about Modern Spiritualism and for this reason, if for no other, I hope that readers of this thread will reconsider and discuss this topic in a suitable forum.

AstralProjectee
14-05-2011, 08:28 PM
If you want this thread moved, tell the mods. I'll be glad when it's moved.

In the mean time anybody want to rely to my post.

Gracey
14-05-2011, 09:55 PM
why do you want to go there astralprojectee? wanting to create something?

breath
15-05-2011, 12:09 PM
hey. In my 'yourspace' thread I just posted about this. It's the last paragraph of the last post. Take a look. If it's similar to what you want to experience let me know and we can work on a method together.

breath
15-05-2011, 12:17 PM
I have only managed this once and I had to die in a dream to get there. Very profound experience, exactly as described in your quote. I don't think you really need to go there more than once, its really not something you forget and you really can't DO anything there.....

Hi!

I don't want to sound like the wise man around the fire, but I experience this realm a lot. I think, if I can be a semi-guide for you for a second here, that not being able to do anything in this world could mean that you haven't fully come to awareness that you are god.

I really don't mean to sound above anyone here. Just felt that I could give you a tiny bit of advice here which is to work on getting rid of the karmic laws in your mind so that you can free yourself from the base illusion. That way pure emptiness will appear to you as pure potential. More like a great space in which anything can exist. When you get there you can create a universe within yourself which is without suffering and somewhere that all beings can come to refuge in. A new vivid reality with only pleasure.

or maybe i'm just mad!

yinepu
15-05-2011, 12:34 PM
Hi!

I don't want to sound like the wise man around the fire, but I experience this realm a lot. I think, if I can be a semi-guide for you for a second here, that not being able to do anything in this world could mean that you haven't fully come to awareness that you are god.

I really don't mean to sound above anyone here. Just felt that I could give you a tiny bit of advice here which is to work on getting rid of the karmic laws in your mind so that you can free yourself from the base illusion. That way pure emptiness will appear to you as pure potential. More like a great space in which anything can exist. When you get there you can create a universe within yourself which is without suffering and somewhere that all beings can come to refuge in. A new vivid reality with only pleasure.

or maybe i'm just mad!


If your mad , then i will take some of your madness please. I have not heard of the unmanifest before.

Breathe i have popped into your blogg, and wow very beautiful and what a great introduction i loved it .

I would like to learn more of this subject if you can talk about this more for a new person i would greatly appreciate it.

athribiristan
15-05-2011, 12:40 PM
Nothing wrong in making a mistake and ending up in a forum where the topic subject has no relevance - but it's disrespectful to those who hold sincere religious beliefs to continue with the topic once it's been pointed out.

Maybe I'm just old-fashioned and expect from others the same good manners I would show in a similar situation?

Or, once you realize that a thread does not pertain, you could simply stop reading it.

mac
15-05-2011, 12:58 PM
Or, once you realize that a thread does not pertain, you could simply stop reading it.

Or you could stop posting here :wink:..... Six of one and half a dozen of the other except that your subject has nothing to do with the Spiritualism forum.

And this is the 'Spiritualism' forum. :hug3:

breath
15-05-2011, 01:43 PM
If your mad , then i will take some of your madness please. I have not heard of the unmanifest before.

Breathe i have popped into your blogg, and wow very beautiful and what a great introduction i loved it .

I would like to learn more of this subject if you can talk about this more for a new person i would greatly appreciate it.

Sure. I'm going to spontaniously categorise the levels and techniques used to do those kinds of 'journeys' so that it's easier to understand.

1. create the mystic body: This is done with a series of meditation-like techniques with strong visualization in a series of 9 over 9 days...

actually, I will put a starter tutorial in my 'yourspace' page. If you'll check back there once every often, or subscribe to it just so you know when updates happen.

2.

yinepu
15-05-2011, 01:50 PM
Sure. I'm going to spontaniously categorise the levels and techniques used to do those kinds of 'journeys' so that it's easier to understand.

1. create the mystic body: This is done with a series of meditation-like techniques with strong visualization in a series of 9 over 9 days...

actually, I will put a starter tutorial in my 'yourspace' page. If you'll check back there once every often, or subscribe to it just so you know when updates happen.

2.


Awesome sounds like a plan , i will make sure im subscribed , interesting stuff thanks Breath