Robert Monroe and the Future

[Che Lazou]

I don't know if this counts as a near death experience, but Robert Monroe described visiting the future where the Middle East had suffered a nuclear holocaust, there was a dramatic fall in the world's population, and all the people were light brown.

Do people think this scenario is likely or has already been avoided by the choices we have made?

[inavalan]

I believe that we (some of us) can foresee the future, as it is likely to happen. But, we can also change the future because we have free will. The same foreseers see different futures in different moments, as probabilities change.

Foreseeing where current conditions (thoughts) lead, is an invaluable tool to build a future you like, and avoid those futures you don't want.

This doesn't mean that one could impose "idealistic" concepts on others, because everybody has free will.

[Che Lazou]

So from the point of view of absolute be-ingness every possibility can exist, from the point of view of absolute be-ness every possibility already exists, I believe some people like to frame this world view as the matrix, a simulation, in which we have choice, but there are no absolutes that we can comprehend so our choice is always balanced against the choices of others, until we realise all is one. Do we ever give up on attachments, I am certainly attached to my father's country of origin in the Middle East and would hate to see it wiped out, am I manifesting the opposite by worrying about this? Since everything already exists to somebody, why worry at all, as Gods are we destined to experience everything, or is our experience always unique, never truly the same as another, is all one really or all zero-point energy dancing in our shared tapestry of life? Robert Monroe was told of his future scenario, the one I described, decades ago, is it still unfolding, were his words chosen by me the instant I picked up his book, why am I worrying about it at all? Just some thoughts. Thank you.

[Che Lazou]

I guess I am asking this because NDE's tend to teach something about what will happen if one doesn't change. So what are the lessons of Robert Monroe's vision, what changes do we need to make to avoid the future it describes? We may choose to experience it anyway, but as I said the point of NDE's tend to be a warning impelling us to learn our lessons and change. I'm not trying to wake anyone up, and perhaps my question is too big, global catastrophe's have lessons that run very deep. Have we already learned all that we need to learn from his trajectory? Thank you.

[iamthat]

So from the point of view of absolute be-ingness every possibility can exist, from the point of view of absolute be-ness every possibility already exists,

We could consider this idea from the perspective of ourselves as individuals. As above, so below. As below, so above. Whatever applies to humanity as a whole also applies to each one of us individually.

So each one of us as Being/Consciousness has a blueprint which contains all potential expressions of consciousness. As incarnate beings we express one aspect of all these potential expressions. And in a subsequent incarnation we might express a different aspect. But nothing is fixed. The choices we make along the way determine which of the many possible expressions and outcomes actually manifests.

Robert Monroe wrote his books some decades ago when the world was quite different. Back then, the nuclear threat was the major issue. Obviously this threat is still present, but there are new threats such as climate change which did not exist when RM was writing his books. Perhaps if RM was writing today he would describe a very different future scenario.

It is many years since I read RM's books but didn't he also describe a later future scenario where humans were living in complete harmony amongst themselves and with nature? His books are still on my shelves - maybe it is time to reread them.

Peace.

[leadville]

I don't know if this counts as a near death experience, but Robert Monroe described visiting the future where the Middle East had suffered a nuclear holocaust, there was a dramatic fall in the world's population, and all the people were light brown.

Do people think this scenario is likely or has already been avoided by the choices we have made?

A near-death experience is only that - an experience that comes about as a result of event that takes the experiencer near to a point apparently approaching bodily death. An NDE does not provide a glimpse of an unchanging, unalterable future - there is no such future.

Monroe may have seen someone's representation (or even his own) of one potential future or it might be he saw something altogether different.

[Morpheus]

I guess I am asking this because NDE's tend to teach something about what will happen if one doesn't change. So what are the lessons of Robert Monroe's vision, what changes do we need to make to avoid the future it describes? We may choose to experience it anyway, but as I said the point of NDE's tend to be a warning impelling us to learn our lessons and change. I'm not trying to wake anyone up, and perhaps my question is too big, global catastrophe's have lessons that run very deep. Have we already learned all that we need to learn from his trajectory? Thank you.

I disagree.

Space/time has a beginning and an end. Eternity does not.
Eternity is a greater reality and truth. Ultimate reality.

The prophesies are writ, they tell us what will unfold, and from the eternal perspective our future in space/time has already occurred. It is unavoidable.

In effect then also you see, a program is running.

[leadville]

Space/time has a beginning and an end. Eternity does not.
Eternity is a greater reality and truth. Ultimate reality.

The prophesies are writ, they tell us what will unfold, and from the eternal perspective our future in space/time has already occurred. It is unavoidable.

In effect then also you see, a program is running.

Prophecies may - but may not - turn out to be accurate. What's 'real' is what happens wherever, whatever and whenever; there is no gradation of reality, nothing greater or greatest just as there is no gradation of truth - only degrees of incompleteness.

One could certainly liken everything to a computer program but if so it's not one written in a complex unknown code by unknown entities determining every event everywhere and everywhen. It's a very simple, free-running one predicated on cause and effect.

[WildHairedWoman]

I don't know if this counts as a near death experience, but Robert Monroe described visiting the future where the Middle East had suffered a nuclear holocaust, there was a dramatic fall in the world's population, and all the people were light brown.

Do people think this scenario is likely or has already been avoided by the choices we have made?

I had heard about that but did not know it was Monroe in a NDE that presented that information.

I think we are not safe yet, as long as the US/UK/Russia and others are meddling in the middle east. It could now be nuclear, chemical or biological weapons that destroy us, or maybe all of the above. It also could be delayed 50 years and our grandchildren die because of the plastic pollution and no clean air to breathe. There are so many ways humans are trying to eradicate themselves from this planet.

The best we could hope for is the future that SouthPark predicted where "we have given up all 'isms' because it just divides us" but still there were enemies to fight. LOL