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tmf
16-03-2011, 09:53 PM
is there any meaning as to why turkey buzzards would follow a person around? Do they represent death or illness?

nightowl
16-03-2011, 09:57 PM
I have had a wonderful experience with the turkey vulture. I didn't know much about them until I started to research them. I would guess that when some people hear the word vulture they may think of scavengers and death. Have a look at this, and if you are still curious check out the link as well. There are some great stories at this link from Greek to Native American about the vulture.

The Golden Purifier
(CATHARTES AURA)


PRESENTED BY:
the Wanderling
http://www.angelfire.com/indie/anna_jones1/totem.html


The vulture is a very powerful totem. Its cycle of power is year-round. If you have a Vulture as a spirit guide or totem, it can show you how to use energy powerfully and efficiently. It glides effortlessly on the winds, soaring high but using little energy. It symbolized the distribution of energy so that gravity (or cares) do not weigh it down. The Vulture uses air currents against the pull of gravity. It does not use its own energy, but uses the energies of the Earth instead, the energies of the Earth being ONE of the mainstay sources in The Power of the Shaman. A very valuable lesson.


"One day, when I was around ten years old or so, I went for a hike deep into the desert unescorted. When my Uncle discovered I was gone he went looking for me. During my walk I happened across the carcass of a dead rabbit and was fascinated by it for some reason. When my Uncle found me after cresting a small hill he saw me squatted down with the carcass. Joining me in a circle with the rabbit were three vultures. When my Uncle told his estranged wife about the incident she suddenly was very interested in me. You see, for some reason, in today's neo-Shaman environment there has been a stress placed on finding one's "power animal." The contemporary neo-Shaman workshops have a tendency to blind people to the fact that real animals are also spirit and power, and every bit as important, or even more so, than than a spirit guide that appears in some vision. His estranged wife, a Midewiwin Medicine Woman, knew that....


The scientific name for the Turkey Vulture is CATHARTES AURA which means GOLDEN PURIFIER because as it goes about it's lifetime business it purifies the landscape and environment in it's own natural way, ensuring the continued health and life of other living things. The Vulture is a promise that all hardship was temporary and necessary for a higher purpose. Once a Vulture enters your life as a totem or guide, it will remain with you for life.


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tmf
16-03-2011, 10:15 PM
Thanks for the info. There are 2 of them that are always near and let be very close while they are roosting in the tree near my house. A few months ago they were joined by about 15 more all roosting near by witch made me nervous. but when i got close only the 2 that were always there did not fly away as if they know me.

nightowl
16-03-2011, 10:24 PM
They are around my house all the time, they are native to this area. They are a wonderful animal guide and that could be whats happening. They may be near you to teach you things, I wouldn't be afraid, you can ask them to show you what it is they want to teach you. Enjoy them...:smile:

tmf
16-03-2011, 10:33 PM
They are around my house all the time, they are native to this area. They are a wonderful animal guide and that could be whats happening. They may be near you to teach you things, I wouldn't be afraid, you can ask them to show you what it is they want to teach you. Enjoy them...:smile:
I like them too and am not afriad of the two what scared me is I felt when the masses came that they were (the original two) trying to get my attention. And they did for sure as if something big is coming what really scares me is what? I also have a female red tail hawk that follows me. Don,t know why that is either she answers back when i whistle.

nightowl
16-03-2011, 10:53 PM
Red tail hawks are beautiful...they too are around my home. Do you live near the water or marshland? Have you looked up the red tail hawk?

Triad
16-03-2011, 10:58 PM
Change in a constant

iolite
16-03-2011, 11:11 PM
Lucky you!! There was a community in Maryland, I think, that seemed to have become so popular with the turkey buzzards that there were maybe 40 or 50 of them just hanging out... on rooftops, telephone wires, on cars, EVERYWHERE! Not only were they an eyesore, but destructive too... their poo is very corrosive and it will eat away at painted surfaces. They tried to get them to go away by blowing air horns.

We have 'em here too in Richmond but luckily, the most I've seen congregating together at one time was maybe 7 or 8. They do help with the road kill, which we seem to have a lot of with those crazy kamikaze squirrels.

Triad
16-03-2011, 11:44 PM
My dog is part wolf and the two cats I have had far in my life time? I picked from a litter of cats born in the city streets I have one today...both have there shots and are very healthy.

I feel it is important to maintain a relationship with wild animals...at my family home there is an Owl nesting in one of the tree's on the property..

Mom is also raising an African Grey.


Peregrine Falcons in New York City
Today, Peregrine Falcons are making a comeback in New York City. We currently know of 16 falcon couples, or 32 falcons total, that live year-round in unique places throughout the City such as on top of bridges, church steeples and high-rise buildings. While this comeback has been years in the making, it is possible that the goal of restoring the falcon population will finally be achieved, due to efforts of people like DEP scientist, Chris Nadareski.


http://www.nyc.gov/html/dep/html/news/falcon.shtml

Iolite you might be suprised as to the extent wild animals can interact...even in cats for example, there are about 30 sounds they make when they are not near people or at least are isolated in a group do not see or hear any people.

At the least in my experiences...

Triad
17-03-2011, 12:07 AM
Once when I was young man my little sister found a very young bird in our yard, she pointed it out to me from inside the house. She wanted to pick it up and bring it in so she could care for it and asked if I could go out with her to collect it. As we approached the bird which, still had no feathers I noticed a a crow one the other side of a street that crossed our property.

My sister had just picked the little bird up and at that point the crow
made a loud sound. Within seconds we were surrounded by crows and
they making aggressive sounds. I told my sister to careful lower the
child to where she had found it which she did and then we slowly
back into the house and entered. Though the crows were making
sounds they did not move from there positions. Once we had closed
the door we watched as one of the birds approached the baby, pick
it up and then they all flew away.

tmf
17-03-2011, 12:10 AM
Red tail hawks are beautiful...they too are around my home. Do you live near the water or marshland? Have you looked up the red tail hawk?
Yes I live close to a large creek and and the pair of hawks are building a nest. The female followed me Im thinking because I was too close to nest, I was hiking what I found surprising was she would answer when I whistled. As I hiked further away from the nest I didnt see her anymore until about an hour later when I came out of the woods she was in a tree near where the buzzards were and then she flew away it was like she was waiting till I got home seemed to know where I belonged.

nightowl
17-03-2011, 12:12 AM
I like them too and am not afriad of the two what scared me is I felt when the masses came that they were (the original two) trying to get my attention. And they did for sure as if something big is coming what really scares me is what? I also have a female red tail hawk that follows me. Don,t know why that is either she answers back when i whistle.



Hawk, Power Animal, Messenger, Discernment, Intuition, Observation, Wisdom, Courage, Truth

By Ina Woolcott

The hawk's gifts include clear sightedness, being observant, long distance memory, messages from the universe, guardianship, recalling past lives, courage, wisdom, illumination, seeing the bigger picture, creativity, truth, experience, wise use of opportunities, overcoming problems, magic, focus.

Hawk is associated with the number 14, with the tarot card Temperance. The Temperance card represents the teaching of higher expressions of psychic ability and vision.

The Hawk represents a messenger in the Native American culture. It often shows up in our life when we need to pay attention to the subtle messages found around us, and from those we come into contact with. As with all messages received, it is important to recognise the messages underlying truth. We will be taught to be observant and also pay attention to what we may overlook. This could mean a talent we aren't using, a gift or unexpected help for which we haven't shown our gratitude for, or a message from the Universe. As there are so many hawk varieties, the messages vary and can affect all levels of our psyche.

Hawks are the protectors and visionaries of the Air. They hold the key to higher levels of consciousness. This power animal enables us to awakens vision and inspires a creative life purpose. Having Hawk as power animal means your life will be filled with responsibility, because Hawk people seek the overall view. You will most probably be aware of omens and spirit messages.

A Red tailed Hawk is special. It will ALWAYS be with you, for life. It has direct ties to the Kundalini, the seat of primal life force. It is linked to the base chakra. If you have this power animal, you need to be aware of and work toward fulfilling your soul's destiny. It reflects far greater intensity of energy within your life: physically, emotionally and mentally. Spiritual forces will be felt strong within you.

One trait all hawks share, is the ability to move between the seen and unseen realms gracefully, joining both worlds together. Their acute vision attributes this ability, their discriminating nature keeps them out of dangers path. Hawks have a broad vision, allowing them to see what the future holds. In man this is a symbol of prophetic insight. If this gift is underdeveloped, it is common for people with this power animal to have a tendency of over analysing everything. When this is so, clear vision is lost. You must learn to keep your analytical mind under control, not allowing it to run wild.

Hawk posses many hunting skills. The most common, when pursuing prey, is to swiftly follow the prey's efforts to get away. Once the prey is caught in the hawks mighty talons, it is then dismembered with their sharply pointed, powerful beak. For us, this may indicate that we may be able to run, but not hide from our destiny. For, eventually it will catch up with us.

The destiny of man is to awaken from their spiritual amnesia and to realign with the original intention of their soul. When the hawk gets a hold of us in his powerful talons, we will be asked to evaluate who we have become and to shatter our self created illusions. This will help our inner truth to come out into the open and for it to shine.

Hawk denotes union with All That Is. The hawk is a bird of the heavens, arranging the changes necessary to prompt our spiritual growth. Having this power animal can be bitter sweet. When accepting its presence in your life, you will be asked to surrender/give up anything that doesn't honour the integrity of all life. Whether its an idea, feeling or action. Although hard work is involved, the rewards to be reaped are great, far outweighing this

Ciqala
23-03-2011, 12:41 AM
Vultures are my spirit guides. This is something I wrote a while back, just a mix of different things the vulture stands for, and brings to us in its medicine, and what it means.

The Vulture (health, recovery, purification, rebirth, transformation, spiritual growth)


This scavenger, which eats dead and gross things, is often considered heinously ugly, but in truth, this perception of ugliness is highly wrong. The vulture’s work and medicine is the most beautiful and important thing in the world, this bird is a powerful healer, and has powerful medicine to offer us.
Physically, the vulture keeps disease and sickness away from all inhabitants on earth by purifying the mess of decay, be ridding of toxins, pollution, and purifying our surroundings on earth. Without the Vulture we would not exist on earth. Because of this, Vulture is a healer of sickness, disease and physical ailments, and stands for very powerful healing medicine. The Vulture cleans up earths and its inhabitant’s messes. The vulture is often the animal totem of a healer, as it brings to us, vast messages and learnings of how to harness healing powers.

Vulture also comes to us, as signs and gifts of healing, when we are dealing with inner problems that could use a boost to purification, or when we are harnessing the powers of healing. Vulture sometimes shows to say “stay clear of something coming that could make you ill”, vulture shows when we are about to take a step in the direction that could hurt us, vulture watches over us during tough times, purifying our energies. Vulture shows to us when we need a transformation. Vulture also comes when we need a change in perspective, and should view our situation as more positive.

Vulture is an ally if you are dealing with ill health, or a physical ailment, as he has the power to heal. You are encouraged to keep Vulture with you in your spirit and prayer so he can lend you his medicine and purification, if so.

Vulture reminds us, to see the beauty and positive in sickness and decay, because on the other side of it sprouts amazing growth, strength, rebirth, transformation, purity and health.
If vulture appears to you, he is reminding you not to fester yourself in negative views and thoughts which are just like diseases. Vulture reminds us that we have the healing, cleansing power within us to remove of the negative and therefore benefit our physical and spiritual health and growth.

Vulture can also show, to point out that a situation that is mental, emotional or spiritual is getting out of hand. You are being asked to remedy a certain messy situation and turn it positive. They come as signs and warnings to help us remedy situations.

Vulture can also be a major purification remedy for sick souls.
Vulture also shows up to those who struggle with addiction, or who are having addict thought processes, and helps us to detoxify our body, mind and spirit.

At times the vulture shows to clean up your mess, and aid you in steering clear from a direction that is unhealthy. The Vulture sometimes reminds us, to clean up our act.

From the death of something sprouts rebirth. Because of this Vulture has always been in ancient lore, perceived as such a powerful guide in transformation and spiritual power.
When you see Vulture it could be a very powerful sign that you are heading to, or in, a major spiritual transformation. Vulture signifies transformation in its best, and is not at all a bird to be feared. It brings with it amazing opportunities, and can help us achieve our spiritual path.

mikkimanyhawks
29-08-2012, 07:12 AM
wow!! i think that turkey vultures and red tailed hawks are my spirit animals (see them all the time, and at the most perfect times) and those descriptions are just amazing. i really relate to them actually, thank you for sharing those :)

Thunder Bow
04-03-2013, 07:29 PM
Gaa'gii and the buzzards flew over me while I was at Spirit Mountain. Many hawks too!

partofme
05-03-2013, 01:48 AM
Funny to run into this posting, so many aspects of it resonate with me.....

I have had turkey buzzards around my home quite frequently (at one point like 50 or so) at the end of my road gathered in and all around a dead tree. Fascinating as a Halloween picture.
Red hawks frequent our land as well...two which are here on most days.
Also, I have rescued a dog a few years back that I could lay $$ on that shes either part wolf or part coyote.

vikara
09-03-2013, 10:30 PM
I was thankful to find this thread. I was awakened this morning by an odd bird call in my backyard. When I looked out I noticed a turkey vulture roosting in my tree. I live in the middle of town so this is not a common thing. I rarely even see them when I drive in the rural areas in this region. I have been going through a confusing time in my life lately. After reading this thread I think I understand why it was in my tree and called loudly to get my attention.

Thank you for the enlightening information.

Raven Poet
19-03-2013, 10:58 PM
Gaa'gii and the buzzards flew over me while I was at Spirit Mountain. Many hawks too!
Hey, Thunder Bow: Who is "Gaa'gii"? This sounds similar to the Ojibwe word for my clan. Is it Raven?

Raven Poet
19-03-2013, 11:01 PM
Vultures are my spirit guides. This is something I wrote a while back, just a mix of different things the vulture stands for, and brings to us in its medicine, and what it means.

Hey Ciqala, thanks for sharing this teaching. Was it something that came to you from Spirit, or from a book?

This teaching has many similarities to those of the Raven, my Clan. We are the cleaner-uppers and have the power to take "garbage" (or negative energy) and consume it to clean up the earth for others and also to transmute the negative into positive.

Hmmm... I just connected this to a recent post I have had about my struggles with racism. Guess I gotta start cleaning that garbage up now! Gulp! (ha ha ha)

Raven Poet
19-03-2013, 11:15 PM
is there any meaning as to why turkey buzzards would follow a person around? Do they represent death or illness?
Hey, tmf - welcome to SF, BTW!

I really enjoyed Ciquala's interpretation (see further down) of the medicine or teaching of Turkey Vultures, and I hope you do too. I am no expert of the entire universe of Indigenous teachings, but in my many years of listening to Elders I have never heard of any omen foretelling death or illness in Indigenous spirituality - I think because a) death is just a natural part in the circle of life and it comes to all of us, but also that there is no such thing as "death" but just the transformation of energy (like Ciquala's teaching shows) and b) I have sometimes heard Anishinaabe spiritual teachings get misinterpretted in negative or scary ways. When you look at Life from the Indigenous perspective, you see it as a sacred journey overseen by Great Spirit; one big circle of belonging, re-birth, and the power of Spirit that is present in everything, especially in the non-human Relations. We humans tend to view natural rhythms as scary or negative, but we too are just a part of nature, not the other way around. So don`t let any misinterpretations of omens of death and illness scare you, because that is not the original intention of these teachings.