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relinquish
02-02-2018, 11:26 PM
In truth, the 'Fundamental Activity' can only be caused by the 'Causeless Inactivity'.

ALL 'things' and 'events' (including 'ourselves') are actually arbitrarily delineated, impermanent 'features' of this Fundamental Activity, which is commonly known as the universe.

If the ceaseless change that is this Activity had an absolute beginning, that beginning would also be the ending of a prior 'beginningless absence of change'. If it had an absolute ending, that ending would also be the beginning of a subsequent 'endless absence of change'. Such a situation is an absolute impossibility.

Therefore, this Activity MUST be eternally cyclic.

In an eternal absence of Activity, there is only the completely structureless, ever-changeless, infinite symmetry of the Causeless Inactivity. For this reason, It's eternally cyclic Activity can ONLY be the 'structured ever-changing asymmetry' that it is.

However, the true nature of the Causeless Inactivity (that is to say, the actual reason WHY It is 'active' rather than 'inactive', why 'experiencing' apparently happens at particular 'times' and 'places' within It's Activity, and in turn, why an illusion of multiplicity, separateness and duality seems to arise in the most complex of these experiences) is absolutely unknowable....

Iamit
03-02-2018, 02:02 AM
In truth, the 'Fundamental Activity' can only be caused by the 'Causeless Inactivity'.

ALL 'things' and 'events' (including 'ourselves') are actually arbitrarily delineated, impermanent 'features' of this Fundamental Activity, which is commonly known as the universe.

If the ceaseless change that is this Activity had an absolute beginning, that beginning would also be the ending of a prior 'beginningless absence of change'. If it had an absolute ending, that ending would also be the beginning of a subsequent 'endless absence of change'. Such a situation is an absolute impossibility.

Therefore, this Activity MUST be eternally cyclic.

In an eternal absence of Activity, there is only the completely structureless, ever-changeless, infinite symmetry of the Causeless Inactivity. For this reason, It's eternally cyclic Activity can ONLY be the 'structured ever-changing asymmetry' that it is.

However, the true nature of the Causeless Inactivity (that is to say, the actual reason WHY It is 'active' rather than 'inactive', why 'experiencing' apparently happens at particular 'times' and 'places' within It's Activity, and in turn, why an illusion of multiplicity, separateness and duality seems to arise in the most complex of these experiences) is absolutely unknowable....

Whatever we think we know, something hidden may arise that contradicts it, including the conclusions you have reached and this:)

Where does that leave us in terms of the spiritual seach if the end of it cannot be based on what we think we know? We can still resonate with ideas based on a match between the vibration/frequency of our minds and those ideas, fundamentally the idea that 'We' must already be the 'Eternally Active Inactivity' if there is nothing else 'real'.

swampgrl
03-02-2018, 04:56 AM
'cause' trips me up from time to time but that is linear thinking. What the mind typically thinks of as a cause is actually 'part' of a continuity.

If existence could not be perceived does it exist? Maybe, but it would matter not.

If I stood imperceptibly in front of someone I may as well not exist to them. Same could be said about perceiving self.

If one could not perceive self does self exist? The answer would be hard to explain but suffices to say, it would not matter to matter as matter is known.

Iamit
03-02-2018, 05:56 PM
Any answer may be contradicted sooner or later. Resonance does not depend on answers.

swampgrl
03-02-2018, 11:44 PM
There is no true division thus no origin/ cause.

Only the appearance of cause by way of the appearance of division.

relinquish
04-02-2018, 08:11 AM
I absolutely agree with both of you, and at the same time, I whole-heartedly stand by my OP. ☺

Iamit
04-02-2018, 11:36 AM
There is no true division thus no origin/ cause.

Only the appearance of cause by way of the appearance of division.

Yes and if that resonates the search for connection has passed a significant point. All that remains is to include what you find it difficult to accept as Oneness manifest (particularly all aspects of your own thoughts and feelings). In the end it is usually seen that there is no alternative other than that acceptance otherwise there is no escape from the dillema. But of course the dillema itself (the very state you are already in) is not disconnected, just not gathered in yet as Oneness manifest.

:)

swampgrl
06-02-2018, 05:53 AM
Yes and if that resonates the search for connection has passed a significant point. All that remains is to include what you find it difficult to accept as Oneness manifest (particularly all aspects of your own thoughts and feelings). In the end it is usually seen that there is no alternative other than that acceptance otherwise there is no escape from the dillema. But of course the dillema itself (the very state you are already in) is not disconnected, just not gathered in yet as Oneness manifest.

:)

So you have locate me in a dilemma have you? You are either projecting or assuming or both. Steady now...

Iamit
06-02-2018, 11:07 PM
So you have locate me in a dilemma have you? You are either projecting or assuming or both. Steady now...

Ok. Lets rephrase that. From a nondual perspective, whatever state you are already in, is already Oneness manifest. If you do not feel that, it is already Oneness not feeling it:)

However one may struggle to change one's state, connection to Onenesss cannot be increased, for Oneness is already all states and connection already complete.

swampgrl
07-02-2018, 12:18 AM
Ok. Lets rephrase that. From a nondual perspective, whatever state you are already in, is already Oneness manifest. If you do not feel that, it is already Oneness not feeling it:)

However one may struggle to change one's state, connection to Onenesss cannot be increased, for Oneness is already all states and connection already complete.

You seems under a spell.

Snap out of it.

https://media.giphy.com/media/TLz5fqe7TJp3W/giphy.gif

:biggrin:

Iamit
07-02-2018, 05:06 PM
You seems under a spell.

Snap out of it.

https://media.giphy.com/media/TLz5fqe7TJp3W/giphy.gif

:biggrin:

You know nothing about me to make such a comment. We are done.

Be well and good luck.

swampgrl
07-02-2018, 05:36 PM
You know nothing about me to make such a comment.

Exactly, that was the point of my post with a sprinkle of humor.

People see their reflection but do they really SEE it?

You may as well be offended by yourself, Iamit, 'cause that is what you're really reacting to.

Iamit
07-02-2018, 11:28 PM
May all notice that it is not I who any longer initiate contact with this person.

swampgrl
08-02-2018, 03:38 AM
Who talks like that in real life?

Is this a forum's version of a candid camera show?

Wow!

davidsun
08-02-2018, 03:04 PM
:cool: However, the true nature of the Causeless Inactivity (that is to say, the actual reason WHY It is 'active' rather than 'inactive', why 'experiencing' apparently happens at particular 'times' and 'places' within It's Activity, and in turn, why an illusion of multiplicity, separateness and duality seems to arise in the most complex of these experiences) is absolutely unknowable....
Anyone who consciously tries just staying 'in bed' or the equivalent (and 'fails' to do so!) knows why. Duh! :biggrin:

CREATIVITY - which is CAUSAL purpose in ACTion - is ubiquitous - it IS the 'nature' of THAT which IS - of all LIFE (IOW)!

Of course, anyone who out of a sheer desire for 'self'-determination manages to do so (i.e. to 'stay' 'in bed') and so doesn't 'fail' in this regard, of course, doesn't know the why of it all - at least, till he or she 'fails' to do so, which may require a whole other lifetime, or several more of them.

Iamit
08-02-2018, 10:39 PM
What I was referring to by personal is the attempt to dismantle defenses by feed back about a person one knows nothing about, cant sit down and talk with in a relationship of trust. This space is far from that. When people get personal here its more to do with invalidating a point of view they disagree with by turning on those expressing it. Best avoided. When it occurs dont get involved unless you want this forum to become a slagging match

Eelco
09-02-2018, 07:04 AM
What I was referring to by personal is the attempt to dismantle defenses by feed back about a person one knows nothing about, cant sit down and talk with in a relationship of trust. This space is far from that. When people get personal here its more to do with invalidating a point of view they disagree with by turning on those expressing it. Best avoided. When it occurs dont get involved unless you want this forum to become a slagging match

What ever happend to asking for clarification instead of assuming we get what the other is trying to say?
Your seem to be missing the point on both threads.

Trust is elusive and hard to come by. Especially on forums.
That doesn't mean everything that is said should be taken personally.

With Love
Eelco

Iamit
10-02-2018, 12:50 AM
What ever happend to asking for clarification instead of assuming we get what the other is trying to say?
Your seem to be missing the point on both threads.

Trust is elusive and hard to come by. Especially on forums.
That doesn't mean everything that is said should be taken personally.

With Love
Eelco

It was quite clear.

Yes. I'm only talking about avoiding stuff which turns on the person expressing a view disagreed with, rather than responding to the issues. And yes this is not the place for the former (we dont know each other so difficult to have the necessary relationship of trust) but with good will can be the place for the latter. Best just have an exchange of views with those Dudes who are up for discussion rather than the personal stuff otherwise this forum would be a very mean place:)

We can just deal with each other on the basis of the ideas expressed. No need to get into the distraction Teacher/Pupil. The descriptions used after each of our names are simply based on the number of posts, not the quality of the content:)