still looking for reality

[adamm[]]

sorry but nothing anyone has said has really helped me too much.


I do believe that we are all connected in some kind of way and that even fate may exist, tho i would hope to a shorter degree. Due to the fact that we are energy then it is obvious that energy has to manifest itself at a certain point.

But what i experienced was just dreamlike and its driving me mad.

there are tons of LOA people out there claiming that you can manifest anything you want, and that you will be taken to a reality which matches your vibrations!! This is wicked easy to understand but its weird how practically no one asks the most obvious questions.. seeing as you dont see people around you disappear in mid air as they "shift" to a reality that better suits their vibrations, it makes you ponder how anything but you are real.

it is said that we and our surroundings are one and the same, which means i am the air, plants and the universe. this is easy to understand and accept. But when some paranoid schizoid walks down the middle of new york.. all the TV's dont start to show news captions of nuclear bombs going off all over America.. or something about some deadly disease outbreak from CDC or what ever type of paranoid thoughts they might have. Besides if that was real then everyone that shoots a TV show would be pointless, due to "our minds" overriding the TV signals..

so there are things that dont add up. Lets ASSUME that i did some supernatural feat and my thoughts literally transformed into little tiny radio wave 1's and 0's and went into the computer, tv and radio's that i was near during this time that literally then went into the little chipsets as electrical input which then the computer used to form the advertisements that i saw on youtube, went into the cathode rays of the TV which produced that news cast and etc etc which produced the REAL things that i saw.

Lets assume that perhaps humans have a collective unconscious mind that perhaps tons of things live, like demons, angels, brownies, gnomes, pixies, elves dragons and every other kind of imaginary creature and somehow my conscious reality expanded into the unconscious and i was literally living in an expanded reality.


Then there is the theory that our minds decode reality. So perhaps i am just decoding things with my own energy. so therefore since i thought that perhaps the news does nothing but spread fear, i decoded that news commercial as a super fearful commercial because my fear levels were that high... but what did other people see? they saw something that just said to go get your flu shot.. and i see a horrible commercial claiming everyone is infected with death so i better go get my flu shot quick.. but that still leaves me with the question of what the REAL commercial was that was aired. Perhaps the real commercial was "fearful commercial that prompts you to get a flu shot" and every single person decoded it into what ever images or sounds that they think are fearful, tho only to their own levels. So a normal person would have just seen some commercial about how the flu virus is in season and they better go get a shot.
So perhaps when you see "A LARGE AMAZING BUILDING" we are literally looking at two completely different structures even tho we are looking at the same thing. If you think bricks are amazing then you see a building made of bricks, if you think glass walls are amazing, you see a building made of all glass walls..




so what's what??

[Gem]

']sorry but nothing anyone has said has really helped me too much.
A lot of people say a lot of different things.

I do believe that we are all connected in some kind of way and that even fate may exist, tho i would hope to a shorter degree. Due to the fact that we are energy then it is obvious that energy has to manifest itself at a certain point.
Yep, by being alive one is connected with all life.

But what i experienced was just dreamlike and its driving me mad.

there are tons of LOA people out there claiming that you can manifest anything you want, and that you will be taken to a reality which matches your vibrations!! This is wicked easy to understand but its weird how practically no one asks the most obvious questions.. seeing as you dont see people around you disappear in mid air as they "shift" to a reality that better suits their vibrations, it makes you ponder how anything but you are real.
There is a genre of language that uses such phrasing, but it's conceptual structures aren't in touch with life. It's just a way of speaking.

it is said that we and our surroundings are one and the same, which means i am the air, plants and the universe. this is easy to understand and accept. But when some paranoid schizoid walks down the middle of new york.. all the TV's dont start to show news captions of nuclear bombs going off all over America.. or something about some deadly disease outbreak from CDC or what ever type of paranoid thoughts they might have. Besides if that was real then everyone that shoots a TV show would be pointless, due to "our minds" overriding the TV signals..
This observation immediately reveals there is a lot going on which LoA does not begin to explain.

so there are things that dont add up.
Zakly.

Lets ASSUME that i did some supernatural feat and my thoughts literally transformed into little tiny radio wave 1's and 0's and went into the computer, tv and radio's that i was near during this time that literally then went into the little chipsets as electrical input which then the computer used to form the advertisements that i saw on youtube, went into the cathode rays of the TV which produced that news cast and etc etc which produced the REAL things that i saw.

Lets assume that perhaps humans have a collective unconscious mind that perhaps tons of things live, like demons, angels, brownies, gnomes, pixies, elves dragons and every other kind of imaginary creature and somehow my conscious reality expanded into the unconscious and i was literally living in an expanded reality.

Then there is the theory that our minds decode reality. So perhaps i am just decoding things with my own energy. so therefore since i thought that perhaps the news does nothing but spread fear, i decoded that news commercial as a super fearful commercial because my fear levels were that high... but what did other people see? they saw something that just said to go get your flu shot.. and i see a horrible commercial claiming everyone is infected with death so i better go get my flu shot quick.. but that still leaves me with the question of what the REAL commercial was that was aired. Perhaps the real commercial was "fearful commercial that prompts you to get a flu shot" and every single person decoded it into what ever images or sounds that they think are fearful, tho only to their own levels. So a normal person would have just seen some commercial about how the flu virus is in season and they better go get a shot.
Media is the most prevalent social discourse and thus it runs the most powerful narrative that forms people's world views, and then, by having such world views people act according to their views, and in this way, what begins as discourse becomes the lived, acted reality of the social world. For example, the stigmatisation of Muslims (terrorists) on media produces real racist activity, and even warfare, in the real world.

So perhaps when you see "A LARGE AMAZING BUILDING" we are literally looking at two completely different structures even tho we are looking at the same thing. If you think bricks are amazing then you see a building made of bricks, if you think glass walls are amazing, you see a building made of all glass walls..

so what's what??
Well, a brick building is recognisable as such by everyone, and no one sees a glass building in that case, so we might say the universe is congruent to all observers who relate within it in different ways, but that which we call awareness is the commonality which all people share, though they are aware of different things.

[Miss Hepburn]

You are a very smart person, adamm...I'm not sure people here can help as much as
reading Seth explain everything...and I mean everything.
Or to understand what Jesus explains in "A Course In Miracles".
Their brilliance is far superior than people 'here'.

[Greenslade]

']
Then there is the theory that our minds decode reality. So perhaps i am just decoding things with my own energy. so therefore since i thought that perhaps the news does nothing but spread fear, i decoded that news commercial as a super fearful commercial because my fear levels were that high... but what did other people see? they saw something that just said to go get your flu shot.. and i see a horrible commercial claiming everyone is infected with death so i better go get my flu shot quick.. but that still leaves me with the question of what the REAL commercial was that was aired. Perhaps the real commercial was "fearful commercial that prompts you to get a flu shot" and every single person decoded it into what ever images or sounds that they think are fearful, tho only to their own levels. So a normal person would have just seen some commercial about how the flu virus is in season and they better go get a shot.That was the 'real' commercial, one that made people sit up and take notice and told them they needed a flu jab. Everything else is in the perspective of the person watching it, yours being fearful because that's who/what you are. That's what's what. There is what is and everything else is perspective, a bit like Spirituality really. The Universe is just the way it is.

[Shivani Devi]

All I know is that you'll find whatever it is you are looking for, but it won't be exactly what you had expected it to be.

This is called 'human experience'. It is a folly that some of us get trapped up to our necks in.

For example, for the past couple of years, I have been trying to prove (to god knows whom) the existence of an alien consciousness interacting with our own, when it seems that only I can hear what they are saying and for ages, it was like "I must have a deformed hearing system"...yeah, a deformed hearing system that could tell me when I was going to receive a visit from a family member or help me to find a lost object, or tell me the exact nature of 'dark matter' (sub-quantum particles within the Dirac Sea traveling faster than light)....however, I knew I wasn't 'hearing things' whatsoever.

I was looking for a 'higher consciousness' and that's exactly what I got, but I also know this being isn't 'God' (even though many have made this mistake in the past). I am sure that if I really looked for God, I'd find him because he's not that good at playing 'hide and seek'.

[naturesflow]

']sorry but nothing anyone has said has really helped me too much.


I do believe that we are all connected in some kind of way and that even fate may exist, tho i would hope to a shorter degree. Due to the fact that we are energy then it is obvious that energy has to manifest itself at a certain point.

But what i experienced was just dreamlike and its driving me mad.

there are tons of LOA people out there claiming that you can manifest anything you want, and that you will be taken to a reality which matches your vibrations!! This is wicked easy to understand but its weird how practically no one asks the most obvious questions.. seeing as you dont see people around you disappear in mid air as they "shift" to a reality that better suits their vibrations, it makes you ponder how anything but you are real.

it is said that we and our surroundings are one and the same, which means i am the air, plants and the universe. this is easy to understand and accept. But when some paranoid schizoid walks down the middle of new york.. all the TV's dont start to show news captions of nuclear bombs going off all over America.. or something about some deadly disease outbreak from CDC or what ever type of paranoid thoughts they might have. Besides if that was real then everyone that shoots a TV show would be pointless, due to "our minds" overriding the TV signals..

so there are things that dont add up. Lets ASSUME that i did some supernatural feat and my thoughts literally transformed into little tiny radio wave 1's and 0's and went into the computer, tv and radio's that i was near during this time that literally then went into the little chipsets as electrical input which then the computer used to form the advertisements that i saw on youtube, went into the cathode rays of the TV which produced that news cast and etc etc which produced the REAL things that i saw.

Lets assume that perhaps humans have a collective unconscious mind that perhaps tons of things live, like demons, angels, brownies, gnomes, pixies, elves dragons and every other kind of imaginary creature and somehow my conscious reality expanded into the unconscious and i was literally living in an expanded reality.


Then there is the theory that our minds decode reality. So perhaps i am just decoding things with my own energy. so therefore since i thought that perhaps the news does nothing but spread fear, i decoded that news commercial as a super fearful commercial because my fear levels were that high... but what did other people see? they saw something that just said to go get your flu shot.. and i see a horrible commercial claiming everyone is infected with death so i better go get my flu shot quick.. but that still leaves me with the question of what the REAL commercial was that was aired. Perhaps the real commercial was "fearful commercial that prompts you to get a flu shot" and every single person decoded it into what ever images or sounds that they think are fearful, tho only to their own levels. So a normal person would have just seen some commercial about how the flu virus is in season and they better go get a shot.
So perhaps when you see "A LARGE AMAZING BUILDING" we are literally looking at two completely different structures even tho we are looking at the same thing. If you think bricks are amazing then you see a building made of bricks, if you think glass walls are amazing, you see a building made of all glass walls..




so what's what??


The world and its double-Terrence McKenna
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRoL2BHdEp4


The world could be anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAMvHj48JtM

[Baile]

']so there are things that dont add upYes, that's called life. And just when you finally figure out one thing, another puzzle pops up in your mirror for examination and contemplation. But it's when you finally grok that, "Hey, that's just ME I'm looking at!" that it all falls into place.

[Lorelyen]

.............sorry...........!

[naturesflow]

.............sorry...........!


That bizarre was going to quote you to respond to something you shared that was important then found this.
Have you had your coffee today Lorelyen?:tongue:

[adamm[]]

That was the 'real' commercial, one that made people sit up and take notice and told them they needed a flu jab. Everything else is in the perspective of the person watching it, yours being fearful because that's who/what you are. That's what's what. There is what is and everything else is perspective, a bit like Spirituality really. The Universe is just the way it is.

what was the real commercial?

i saw a commercial say 48/50 states were infected with a deadly disease and only 9 vaccines were left at your local CVS.. this doesnt sound like a "normal" commercial to me.

THEN when i asked my gramma what she was watching she tells me "Thats all i get with my bunny ears"

i got into conspiracy theories somehow around that time and someone said something about porn being evil, bunny ears are the playboy trademark so i immediatly thought about that when my gramma said bunny ears.


so you see something doesnt add up. I have heard of co creating how i decode a conscious entity with my own energy, therefore co-creating the event. and then there is the theory that our brains decode reality, and that we dont get all the pieces of information so we fill in the blank spots with information from past events. So that means my recent readings of conspiracy theories literally causes my mind to fill in the gaps with that older information???

[Baile]

]so you see something doesnt add up. I have heard of co creating how i decode a conscious entity with my own energyYou are talking about abilities the soul evolves over many lifetimes of spiritual effort... energy manipulation techniques that advanced masters might be capable of. Buddha, Jesus, eastern masters, probably a few dozen human beings on the planet or who ever lived in the material. As for the rest of us, we plug along in life, understanding that everything we do, everything we think, everything we take in and process and form belief relationships with, comes back into our lives as manifested reality. 99.99% of which is unconscious and unintended, because we have not learned those conscious-control techniques that require lifetimes to master. Here are some self-development suggestions to start with, if you're interested in raising your conscious awareness. It all starts with getting one's life in order, nothing more or less:

~ Change your diet to something healthy, the more vegan the better.
~ Eliminate all alcohol, caffeine, tobacco, rec drugs and pharma drugs.
~ Remove as much electronic stimulus from your life as possible, it interferes with Spirit connection.
~ Eliminate all media stimulation, including TV, radio, news sites and YouTube; has the same affect as above.
~ Create a methodical, rhythmic lifestyle: meals at the same time, early to bed, lots of sleep, and rise early.
~ Remove all stressful influences in your life; seek calm and quiet in nature, and in meditation.
~ Understand that everything that occurs in your life, is because you have willed it in some way. It is happening for you because you can use in your life to learn from.

[Lorelyen]

That bizarre was going to quote you to respond to something you shared that was important then found this.
Have you had your coffee today Lorelyen?:tongue:

Oh, double sorry then. I had nothing useful to share. These questions of what reality is cease to be relevant. It's what it is (or I can write a 10 million word essay on why Moses supposes that toeses are roses...)

Yes, I had a real coffee made in a real percolator. I set out a cup for you but remembered you may have been asleep. Dream coffee is fine but is it a real dream....? Is a dream coffee any less than real in a dream?

:tongue: :cool:

PS. Oh, I remember something.... it was: if you asked an occultist what reality is they're likely to answer "does it matter?"

(Which reminds me I should book an appointment with the occultist. I think my eyes need checking.)
...

[Mr Interesting]

Yup, you're onto it there Baille. The question for me, once I got over the specialness of the particular incidents, was why it might be that such energetic outpourings were needed and it always came to a sense not that I was overstepping my boundaries but why I was getting myself into such a situation that such extreme elements were called into play which on one hand had me questioning why there might be boundaries but on the other was always a kind of metaphorical questioning of the reasons why I'd even gotten into the position where such dramatic events might be required.

Looking back it seems I'd get all wound up in my concern for what I thought was happening and then require what I thought was my personal power to shift reality somewhat but as reality shifted back to what it actually was I'd get lessons in humility to the extent that I realised it was my ego pushing into areas where only total selflessness works with the consequences such actions might entail.

And stuff alike this still happens now and again but I'm always serving others or a bigger picture and these days it's more like a pat on the back that I'm able to somehow be a part of any enactment without undue rewarding of myself as some powerful entity... it's like 'well, you're not going to get all uppity and weird out so we can go through you and the smooth it all is won't ruffle unduly'

But yes, I did find I could 'push' myself into such feats when I was younger and some of it was quite terrifying and now I look back I'm glad I kind of realised the un-naturalness of such wasn't the enactment itself but how I came to think such was required with me, the big me, being a control function.

'Keepers of the flame' always take a while to figure out they're holding the wrong end of the stick...

[Baile]

'Keepers of the flame' always take a while to figure out they're holding the wrong end of the stick...Oh my I laughed outloud at that. Never heard that before, but so true, for my life anyway. I was a wrong-ended flame holder for the first four and more decades of my life lol.

[Floatsy]

Looking back it seems I'd get all wound up in my concern for what I thought was happening and then require what I thought was my personal power to shift reality somewhat but as reality shifted back to what it actually was I'd get lessons in humility to the extent that I realised it was my ego pushing into areas where only total selflessness works with the consequences such actions might entail.

And stuff alike this still happens now and again but I'm always serving others or a bigger picture and these days it's more like a pat on the back that I'm able to somehow be a part of any enactment without undue rewarding of myself as some powerful entity... it's like 'well, you're not going to get all uppity and weird out so we can go through you and the smooth it all is won't ruffle unduly'


(laughs)
(eek)

Thanks, man, thanks a lot.